Nico- said: Or people like 15poundfish in general We know he has a history of putting down most shows as they don't simply fulfill his expectations in terms of quality. He does have some valid arguments here and there but most of the time he's talking straight out of his ass. |
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Nico- said: Love Live, White Alhum 2, and Toradora Or people like 15poundfish in general RIP Triple S |
Charlanta said: Really? That explains it all.Exowave said: Tyrel is demoddedI wonder if Tyrel laughs today. |
Charlanta said: Exowave said: Tyrel is demoddedI wonder if Tyrel laughs today. What a shocking revelation, he does like 90% of the total works done by moderators. |
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Nico- said: SuperRed said: RIP Triple S Offended I hurt your friend? He's not objective as much as he thinks he is regarding his criticisms, but he at least debates good enough without using too much bias. I didn't watch that anime so I don't really care, but from what I do know about it from info I gathered I can tell it's not the type of show for me. Agreed on the other 2 though. |
FireEmblemIke24 said: Moar like Tyrel retired from service than demoddedCharlanta said: Tyrel is demodded What a shocking revelation, he does like 90% of the total works done by moderators. |
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SuperRed said: 'Hater' is a derogatory term, so I don't think you can apply it to someone who has no ill intention. If someone gives something a low score and is capable of explaining why, BUT doesn't feel the need to incessantly tell others how bad/overrated it is whenever he/she can, then it is not a 'hater' TripleSRank is thus not a hater.Nico- said: Love Live, White Alhum 2, and Toradora Or people like 15poundfish in general RIP Triple S |
Karadzic said: This is not the first time he's demodded you. He's probably going to be busy for a few weeks or months and so sensed that he could not carry out his functions normally.FireEmblemIke24 said: Moar like Tyrel retired from service than demoddedWhat a shocking revelation, he does like 90% of the total works done by moderators. |
| SAO's haterbase is huge. |
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Gholy said: For me, the worst haterbases are the ones who hate on genres/demographics/appearances as a whole (mecha, shounen, shoujo, moe, etc.). Yeah, those are very toxic people. There's nothing wrong with wishing that the anime industry focused on something other than [insert genre], but there's no need to be a d-bag about something that just isn't your thing. |
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AttackOnTetris said: I dunno why but is there a point to hate a genre/demographic? I really dont understand them eitherGholy said: For me, the worst haterbases are the ones who hate on genres/demographics/appearances as a whole (mecha, shounen, shoujo, moe, etc.). Yeah, those are very toxic people. There's nothing wrong with wishing that the anime industry focused on something other than [insert genre], but there's no need to be a d-bag about something that just isn't your thing. |
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| I'd have to say SAO more than anything... I mean it wasn't like super awesome omg this is GREAT! But it wasn't bad either.... Not enough to generate as much hate as it currently does. I feel like most people hate on most anime because... |
| SAO Fate Naruto at times bleach NGNL was hatted a lot when it was popular. |
JaviKreyn said: AttackOnTetris said: If I recall correctly, "a good show is good regardless of your personal taste" is exactly what you were arguing, and repeating it again isn't an argument. No. I was answering what you said, that you decide if a show is good or not based on your criteria, and I said that's false, you may LIKE a show becouse of your TASTE or criteria. But what makes a good show is not your criteria, is good writting and plot. A show with bad writting an plot is a bad show, thas's not subjective, is a fact. AttackOnTetris said: Now you're adding another layer to your subjectivity by saying "well written means it's coherent". Well-written can mean many things and is completely subjective, and you have subjectively decided coherence is a criteria needed for well-written characters. I could counter-argue that it's possible to make a character who's incoherence actually furthers the story by adding an air of mystery. Think of the proxies in Ergo Proxy. I think what you mean is "non-contradictory" which is a good start, but it's possible to make a very static character who undergoes no development, and they will satisfy that criteria. So, I not shure about what you are saying here (i'm not english speaker)so I wonder if you could answer this insted to try to understand your point of view: If it is subjective, what makes for you a well written character? If it's objective, what are the markers of a well-written plot we can't argue against? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: full metal alchemist :^)JaviKreyn said: No. I was answering what you said, that you decide if a show is good or not based on your criteria, and I said that's false, you may LIKE a show becouse of your TASTE or criteria. But what makes a good show is not your criteria, is good writting and plot. A show with bad writting an plot is a bad show, thas's not subjective, is a fact. So, I not shure about what you are saying here (i'm not english speaker)so I wonder if you could answer this insted to try to understand your point of view: If it is subjective, what makes for you a well written character? If it's objective, what are the markers of a well-written plot we can't argue against? |
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JaviKreyn said: AttackOnTetris said: If I recall correctly, "a good show is good regardless of your personal taste" is exactly what you were arguing, and repeating it again isn't an argument. No. I was answering what you said, that you decide if a show is good or not based on your criteria, and I said that's false, you may LIKE a show becouse of your TASTE or criteria. But what makes a good show is not your criteria, is good writting and plot. A show with bad writting an plot is a bad show, thas's not subjective, is a fact. AttackOnTetris said: Now you're adding another layer to your subjectivity by saying "well written means it's coherent". Well-written can mean many things and is completely subjective, and you have subjectively decided coherence is a criteria needed for well-written characters. I could counter-argue that it's possible to make a character who's incoherence actually furthers the story by adding an air of mystery. Think of the proxies in Ergo Proxy. I think what you mean is "non-contradictory" which is a good start, but it's possible to make a very static character who undergoes no development, and they will satisfy that criteria. So, I not shure about what you are saying here (i'm not english speaker)so I wonder if you could answer this insted to try to understand your point of view: If it is subjective, what makes for you a well written character? The only fact here is how wrong you are. If you are going to try and be ''intellectual'' and elitist, at least have proper grammar and wording. |
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AttackOnTetris said: JaviKreyn said: No, it's not. You are talking about taste, you can apply that to genres, settings, etc. A show is good when the story and characters are well written, presented developted and executed. Your "objective" system is subjective in 2 areas. The first one being: what it takes for the show to be good. You made your own, personal criteria of what makes a good show. The second one being: everyone will have different opinions with regards to what makes well-written character, as well as good development and execution. It would make more sense to just drop the charade of pretending like you are talking about "objective quality". Well said, but I'd refine what you said and argue that there is, at least, the pursuit of objectivity that comes in the form of well-reasoned views on any particular anime based on interpretations of its presentation, plot and characters. Nothing like, "oh, it was enjoyable so it deserves 10/10" (SAO fanboys) or "I hated the characters. Instant 1/10" (Evangelion haters in a nutshell). It's not about being 100% objective that's the issue here; really, it's about being MORE objective than the other person. When you have someone who is only 1% objective and you're 2%, then I'd say that you're opinion would be a whole lot more credible even if it's just that extra one percent. |
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Agafin said: SuperRed said: Naruto One Piece Hunter x Hunter Clannad Sword Art Online (though I dislike it myself) +LOGH +NGE +Fate +JoJo |
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Oppos1te said: + Japanimation fans as a wholeAgafin said: +LOGH +NGE +Fate +JoJo |
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| I'd have to say the KEY haterbase Or as I'd love to call them, EDGE FAGS. You know, those 16 year olds with shitty grades but with a 'complete understanding of humanity' through watching edgy detective shows late at night under their mom's bunker. |
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| Bleach i think. |
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| Evangelion haters Just because Shinji isn't a carbon copy of random shounen faggot #36643 and doesn't want to get into the robot it doesn't mean he isn't a well-written or well developed character AttackOnTetris said: I beg to differTokyo Ghoul TG's hater base is the best of the best |
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MagicalMahou said: I'd have to say the KEY haterbase Or as I'd love to call them, EDGE FAGS. You know, those 16 year olds with shitty grades but with a 'complete understanding of humanity' through watching edgy detective shows late at night under their mom's bunker. That's not only this. Charlotte was already hated even before the first episode aired. And the more it becomes popular, the more it becomes hated, weeks after weeks. And we're just half way through the series. I don't want to imagine when it'll be completed. |
romagia said: TheBrainintheJar said: full metal alchemist :^)If it's objective, what are the markers of a well-written plot we can't argue against? That's a name-drop, not an arguement. |
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MagicalMahou said: Well most Key haters can give reasonable explanations for their hatred and directly reference things from Key's anime to support their view that Key makes really shallow and appallingly stupid melodrama.I'd have to say the KEY haterbase Or as I'd love to call them, EDGE FAGS. You know, those 16 year olds with shitty grades but with a 'complete understanding of humanity' through watching edgy detective shows late at night under their mom's bunker. |
AttackOnTetris said: I used to think it's a tie between AOT Agreed with this now. At least on MAL forums. |
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| All of them. Haters are by definition toxic, doesn't matter which series. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
CDXX said: did shigatsu haterbase also toxic?All of them. Haters are by definition toxic, doesn't matter which series. |
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Unyilkdr said: CDXX said: did shigatsu haterbase also toxic?All of them. Haters are by definition toxic, doesn't matter which series. I guess so, but the show and the values it spreads are toxic as well so it balances itself out in that case. But Shigatsu is an exception since it is so exceptionally offensive :>. Hating for moral reasons is fine in my book (like people hating on Mahouka because it is racist etc...), unlike hating something just because you don't like it and others do, or worse, because you 'don't like the fans' or any of the other retarded reasons why people hate stuff on MAL. |
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CDXX said: i think it's not only in MAL. it apply everywhere in every medium. agree with your post thou.Unyilkdr said: I guess so, but the show and the values it spreads are toxic as well so it balances itself out in that case. But Shigatsu is an exception since it is so exceptionally offensive :>.did shigatsu haterbase also toxic? Hating for moral reasons is fine in my book (like people hating on Mahouka because it is racist etc...), unlike hating something just because you don't like it and others do, or worse, because you 'don't like the fans' or any of the other retarded reasons why people hate stuff on MAL. |
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CDXX said: Unyilkdr said: did shigatsu haterbase also toxic? I guess so, but the show and the values it spreads are toxic as well so it balances itself out in that case. But Shigatsu is an exception since it is so exceptionally offensive :>. Hating for moral reasons is fine in my book (like people hating on Mahouka because it is racist etc...), unlike hating something just because you don't like it and others do, or worse, because you 'don't like the fans' or any of the other retarded reasons why people hate stuff on MAL. Srsly double standarts much |
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robis798 said: CDXX said: I guess so, but the show and the values it spreads are toxic as well so it balances itself out in that case. But Shigatsu is an exception since it is so exceptionally offensive :>. Hating for moral reasons is fine in my book (like people hating on Mahouka because it is racist etc...), unlike hating something just because you don't like it and others do, or worse, because you 'don't like the fans' or any of the other retarded reasons why people hate stuff on MAL. Srsly double standarts much shush. I won't deny that there is an argument that even hating for moral reasons is retarded since it's fiction and stuff and at the end of the day harmless (which is debatable in itself since fiction has been used for RL propaganda for ages), but IF there is any valid reason for hating on something, it's because it spreads bad values and not because one of the fans offended you on youtube once or because it's rated higher than your favorite anime. |
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CDXX said: robis798 said: Srsly double standarts much shush. I won't deny that there is an argument that even hating for moral reasons is retarded since it's fiction and stuff and at the end of the day harmless (which is debatable in itself since fiction has been used for RL propaganda for ages), but IF there is any valid reason for hating on something, it's because it spreads bad values and not because one of the fans offended you on youtube once or because it's rated higher than your favorite anime. Well yes, disliking a show for moral reasons as you say is more legit than the retarded stuff like cause it's rated higher than my fav animu, but cmon, perceiving a show as spreading bad, toxic values is subjective ( at least in this case, I mean, it's not a show about Hitler ideals ) and just another form of disliking a show, which as you say is toxic and not really justifiable. |
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robis798 said: CDXX said: shush. I won't deny that there is an argument that even hating for moral reasons is retarded since it's fiction and stuff and at the end of the day harmless (which is debatable in itself since fiction has been used for RL propaganda for ages), but IF there is any valid reason for hating on something, it's because it spreads bad values and not because one of the fans offended you on youtube once or because it's rated higher than your favorite anime. Well yes, disliking a show for moral reasons as you say is more legit than the retarded stuff like cause it's rated higher than my fav animu, but cmon, perceiving a show as spreading bad, toxic values is subjective ( at least in this case, I mean, it's not a show about Hitler ideals ) and just another form of disliking a show, which as you say is toxic and not really justifiable. What is wrong with disliking a show because it conflicts with moral values? So if I disliked a hentai because it glamorizes rape and that conflicts with my own morality, that is toxic? Shigatsu's depiction of those who went through trauma is offensive and as a person who I has lived through similar experiences, I find that show reprehensible. |
| The whole anime community is one big toxic haterbase unfortunately. But it wasn't like that 10 years ago though. Good times, good times. |
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