Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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Ugoki said: Zefyris said: Actually, not really either. this goes out of the current episode discussion unfortunately, but that's actually another cliché which is You're referring to Very partially, as it seems as the story progresses that it's only the tip of the iceberg. As I said, it doesn't belong there though, so can't say anything precise. beast_regards said: Zefyris said: That means less good freelance animator. Only ghibli doesn't work with freelance animators in japan. Working with different animator would mean working with different art styles, so I still have a doubts. Cutting the budget by skipping frames or reuse scenes is believable though That show was made by ghibli? err no... Ghibli doesn't make that show, it's made by passione.. That's why I said that every studio including the one doing RnY which is especially small are outsourcing animators. And yes, they do, all of them do. That's why when they use not enough skilled freelancer, the drawing change from one scene to another because the animator just animate one series of frames afaik. It happened all the time in this episode. Faces kept being drawn differently than usual. |
ZefyrisAug 16, 2015 11:18 AM
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Zefyris said: Visceras said: I never saw so many clichês in one single episode .. the most annoying one being the clichê cliffhanger ending where the MC is in "danger" when we know nothing will happen but for the plot sake he has to be in danger .. ofc then we have plot shields but who the fuck cares. Plus, Was I supposed to give a fuck about their past when they tell it in that way .. "My Nakama died to save me .. Now I want to get stronger to save save them and don´t lose anyone else.." Please just .. please can´t you make a normal MC for once? This shit already pisses me off. By far, the worst episode of this series so far.. The saint of the mountains says "It is too dangerous to be alone, we should get in pairs and search for Adlet".. Right after that Chamon leaves on her own to do some shits that I don´t even know about and the "Nyan Nyan" stays alone in the temple for plot reasons. Pff .. Chamo is worth 2 rokka by herself. Even alone no one can kill her there anyway. That's why Mora left her go wherever she wanted. Since Hans said he didn't need help, that's basically making 3 pairs + hans alone (who volunteered to be alone) . Remember, Mora has taken care of Chamo for 7 years already. You heard Fremy this episode. She assasinated no problem other potential brave. But she couldn't even SCRATCH Chamo and had to run for her life. Think adlet even stand a chance to take her out? What cliché? Even though you were awaiting like all the other a "the fiends killed my village and now I want revenge" since the last episode and got none of this since it's "the villagers killed my relatives/friends and I fight to not lose again, not for revenge" instead, what are you talking about here ? Also, the story simply follow the novel. It has to stop after 20 minutes you now. It ended there, that's all. That's not even a cliffhanger this time. The previous episodes were, this one isn't since as you said yourself it's not like Adlet could die that soon anyway. What has plot armour even to do with the fact that during a fight the mc is in a bad position temporary? So if a MC is ina bad position even once and doesn't die it's plot armour? uuuuh what the hell... So tell me, what cliché did you see there anyway? You pretty much got somethign else than what you expected and what WOULD have been cliché, yet you complain it's cliché, wow. Sometimes I just don't understand how some people think. Nyan if he really wanted, once he takes Adlet's sword, he could had killed him. It's a knife in the hand of an assassin vs Adlet with no equipment what so ever. What clichê? Really you asked that question .. so .. shall we begin? The MC is the most banal MC ever .. I've seen it countless times in other shows.. Flamie is another clichê itself. The typical heartless bitch who thinks she is better alone because someone hurt her feelings. Are you telling me this is total original? Please .. The other characters are not clichê but are not original as well. I don´t mind if they are going to use "THE STORY" but at least do it well and not with a 4 min flash back and some sad music .. About leaving Chamon and Nyan Nyan alone .. they don´t know how strong Adlet is. Plus if they think that he is the 7th, they would do anything to stop him. Chamon goes PLAY IN THE FOREST for some reason .. How do they know that Adlet doesn´t have a plan to kill one or two .. he is sneaky and smart, and they know it. Yet Chamon is a fucking kid. I wouldn´t be surprise if Adlet did some sneaky move and kill her instantly. One single movement is enough to kill one person. So .. |
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Visceras said: Zefyris said: Chamo is worth 2 rokka by herself. Even alone no one can kill her there anyway. That's why Mora left her go wherever she wanted. Since Hans said he didn't need help, that's basically making 3 pairs + hans alone (who volunteered to be alone) . Remember, Mora has taken care of Chamo for 7 years already. You heard Fremy this episode. She assasinated no problem other potential brave. But she couldn't even SCRATCH Chamo and had to run for her life. Think adlet even stand a chance to take her out? What cliché? Even though you were awaiting like all the other a "the fiends killed my village and now I want revenge" since the last episode and got none of this since it's "the villagers killed my relatives/friends and I fight to not lose again, not for revenge" instead, what are you talking about here ? Also, the story simply follow the novel. It has to stop after 20 minutes you now. It ended there, that's all. That's not even a cliffhanger this time. The previous episodes were, this one isn't since as you said yourself it's not like Adlet could die that soon anyway. What has plot armour even to do with the fact that during a fight the mc is in a bad position temporary? So if a MC is ina bad position even once and doesn't die it's plot armour? uuuuh what the hell... So tell me, what cliché did you see there anyway? You pretty much got somethign else than what you expected and what WOULD have been cliché, yet you complain it's cliché, wow. Sometimes I just don't understand how some people think. Nyan if he really wanted, once he takes Adlet's sword, he could had killed him. It's a knife in the hand of an assassin vs Adlet with no equipment what so ever. What clichê? Really you asked that question .. so .. shall we begin? The MC is the most banal MC ever .. I've seen it countless times in other shows.. Flamie is another clichê itself. The typical heartless bitch who thinks she is better alone because someone hurt her feelings. Are you telling me this is total original? Please .. The other characters are not clichê but are not original as well. I don´t mind if they are going to use "THE STORY" but at least do it well and not with a 4 min flash back and some sad music .. About leaving Chamon and Nyan Nyan alone .. they don´t know how strong Adlet is. Plus if they think that he is the 7th, they would do anything to stop him. Chamon goes PLAY IN THE FOREST for some reason .. How do they know that Adlet doesn´t have a plan to kill one or two .. he is sneaky and smart, and they know it. Yet Chamon is a fucking kid. I wouldn´t be surprise if Adlet did some sneaky move and kill her instantly. One single movement is enough to kill one person. So .. And yet, another person understimates Chamo once again. Yes, she is immature(she is a kid) but that's where it ends. Her fighting progress and experience are top level enough to protect herself in a 1 vs 1. Adlet stands no chance against her if Hans easily submitted him though the fight with him hasn't ended yet, Hans definitely has the upper hand. Also, I doubt she was just "playing" with glowing snakes, who knows... *grins* Hans is an experienced assassin with an unusual sword style. Considering his age and his type of job, he must have encounter several strong foes but yet, he is alive. He was strong enough to be chosen as a Brave too. But why he hasn't killed Adlet yet? He wants information. And you got it wrong, Fremy isn't a heartless "bitch". They are several scenes where she sows her honest feelings of kindness and disgust. I have seen far more cliches in typical shounen like DB or Naruto than Rokka no Yuusha. At least the characters in Rokka have a strong background story. |
| Strong background story? LOL yes indeed they have good reasons .. so as every other character in any shonen out there .. and we know how shonens are. It doesn´t even need to be a shonen .. even romance / drama has that clichê. I'm not questioning Chamo strenght. I don´t have any doubt she can solo every single one of them, but if she is with her guard down and some assassin appears right behind her, or simply trhows a knife like Hans did with Adlet she could die easily. Hans wants information ? About what to be exactly? He clearly tried to kill Adlet when he was escaping with Flamie .. but now he doesn´t kill him? Plot shield activated .. Plus when you talk about old shonens like DB, they don´t have clichê xD .. when they were made there wasn´t such thing as clichê .. they created them ^^ |
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Visceras said: Strong background story? LOL yes indeed they have good reasons .. so as every other character in any shonen out there .. and we know how shonens are. It doesn´t even need to be a shonen .. even romance / drama has that clichê. I'm not questioning Chamo strenght. I don´t have any doubt she can solo every single one of them, but if she is with her guard down and some assassin appears right behind her, or simply trhows a knife like Hans did with Adlet she could die easily. Hans wants information ? About what to be exactly? He clearly tried to kill Adlet when he was escaping with Flamie .. but know he doesn´t kill him? Plot shield activated .. And that's why you're understimating Chamo. Are you sure she has her guard down or will let it down? Lets go back to some stuff that were mentioned: Fremy couldn't make a single scratch even though she is a long range attacker. I doubt a close combat will be able to do something by herself/himself. Her power has yet to be explain in full extent. If that was the case, any assassin would have killed her already but that hasn't happened. Well, who wouldn't want to kill someone who kidnaps another?Also since he is being submitted right now, and he stands no chance, why not get a bit of info(As Mora requested) and then kill him? Next episode will cover what I'm saying. There will be no plot armor, you will be surprised by how the fight ends. When I read the LN, it gave me the chills. Plus when you talk about old shonens like DB, they don´t have clichê xD .. when they were made there wasn´t such thing as clichê .. they created them ^^ |
ValhasDrewAug 16, 2015 12:10 PM
Visceras said: Come on, come on! x]What clichê? Really you asked that question .. so .. shall we begin? Visceras said: The MC is the most banal MC ever .. I've seen it countless times in other shows.. Objection. A MC who resort to dirty tricks, cheap strategies, and even goes as far as taking innocent girls as hostages and shield when they're menaced after claiming he'll protect her is everything but common. That MC is completely opposed to the common shounen hero yo usee so much in anime. All of this while being clearly a bit screwed up with that "strongest in the world" that he doesn't even seem to believe himself in if you think about it. It seems more like he's trying to persuade himself that he's going to be okay than actually being persuaded of it. And it's only going to get worse from now on. Visceras said: Flamie is another clichê itself. The typical heartless bitch who thinks she is better alone because someone hurt her feelings. Are you telling me this is total original? Please .. Oh that was so bad and low. Fremy's past, present and future is more fucked up than most character you can find in anime. I would rather have Guts' life than Fremy's. At least Guts have a small hope for the future. It's not someone who hurt her feeling. Don't you understand? She's the only one of her kind. For the fiends, she's a half monster (Fremy actually hinted to this this episode already talking about having blood of filthy human in her veins) . For the humans, she's half monster too. No one is going to accept her. She will never see anyone like her either (explained episode 6). It's like the half elves you see often having that type of problem in stories, getting rejected in both said. Except it's 10 times worse. There isn't any other like her to create a small community, and fiends and humans are completely unable to cohabit so no hope of a change or to be accept in one side. Her OWN MOTHER, the only family she has actually was feigning to love her in order to use her. And then tried to kill her as the disgusting half human she is when she proved to be of no more use. That would already be bad enough to be like she is, but that's not even the tip of the iceberg here. not even the tip, yes. She didn't explain what really happened back there for example, just saying "they tried to kill me and I escaped". And of course, you don't know yet anything about her current and future situation. Fremy being bad and just having hurt feelings? Lol, what do you think she is, some kind of angsty teenager? What did I tell you earlier? That the author love to make things look predictable/cliché before completely surprising you. There is a lot of character in RnY with a fucked up past or present. But Fremy is on another level entirely. Speaking of the others, don't think you know anything abour Adlet's past or present situation yet, either. The other characters are not clichê but are not original as well. I don´t mind if they are going to use "THE STORY" but at least do it well and not with a 4 min flash back and some sad music .. I said that earlier already. "A detective novel should contain no long descriptive passages, no literary dallying with side-issues, no subtly worked-out character analyses, no "atmospheric" preoccupations. such matters have no vital place in a record of crime and deduction. They hold up the action and introduce issues irrelevant to the main purpose, which is to state a problem, analyze it, and bring it to a successful conclusion. To be sure, there must be a sufficient descriptiveness and character delineation to give the novel verisimilitude." You're going to get that little for some characters because you only need that little right now. Mind you, with what we currently know of the past of the different characters of the show, you can probably do 15-20 episodes of flashback already. You're not going to get that now. THat's why you're getting what you need to solve the detective novel as a mystery. Below is no longer cliché anymore, it's all about character's motivations for the current situation. About leaving Chamon and Nyan Nyan alone .. they don´t know how strong Adlet is. Plus if they think that he is the 7th, they would do anything to stop him. Chamon goes PLAY IN THE FOREST for some reason .. No human is stronger than Chamo anyway. And Mora understood Chamo's point of view (that POV being faked or not is another story) since she knows her since 7 years. Chamo is not interested in Adlet and thinks the whole deal currently happening is very stupid and boring. If you want to be sure that adlet is the culprit, just catch him and torture him already. Remember, Mora stopped her to actually intervene last time. If mora hadn't stopped Chamo things wouldn't be like that. So she fucking doesn't care about the whole ordeal. If Adlet comes to her and attack her she will kill him, if he appears but doesn't attack she may capture him. But she is not running after that unknown guy somewhere in the forest. She has no interest in playing cat and mouse with someone who doesn't interest her. But that's for Chamo. The MAIN reason Chamo was allowed to go like that is that Hans said he didn't need anyone (and that Mora isn't worried about Chamo being killed). If not for that, Mora would have forced Chamo to stay with Hans to protect him. Now, let me ask you. Do you truly believe that Hans, who seems to be testing almost everyone around with his words since a while, was simply feeling confident about fighting Adlet without any other purpose? Does he strike you as that type of guy? Because if he has a purpose, then the whole current situation of Hans being alone makes suddenly completely sense =]. How about you wait a little for this one? How do they know that Adlet doesn´t have a plan to kill one or two .. he is sneaky and smart, and they know it. Yet Chamon is a fucking kid. I wouldn´t be surprise if Adlet did some sneaky move and kill her instantly. One single movement is enough to kill one person. So .. You realise that Fremy tried exactly that. She snipped her from afar. You know the result. What could adlet do better as a surprise attack than sniping ? For any type of bombs he needs to be close to her to throw it, same for darts and anything else. He has no gun, and no special power since he's a man. And especially, with most of his stuff in the temple? As long as Adlet is alone, he can't risk to attack Chamo. That's why Mora choose to pair up peoples like that. It makes sense. A lot of sense. Both as motivations and as power balance in the teams she made who are very well thought as well. |
ZefyrisAug 16, 2015 12:18 PM
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| I'm glad i didn't drop this but damn, the 3D is awful |
Xenocrisi said: They are far more awful CGI in other animes. You know something too? The movements of the Kyoumas are natural and unique which doesn't makes it that bad, but due to lack of budget they need to use CGI since IIRC it is cheaper.I'm glad i didn't drop this but damn, the 3D is awful Next episode probably won't have any CGI due to the fights that will take in place. Crossing my fingers so they don't derp the good parts. |
ValhasDrew said: Xenocrisi said: They are far more awful CGI in other animes. You know something too? The movements of the Kyoumas are natural and unique which doesn't makes it that bad, but due to lack of budget they need to use CGI since IIRC it is cheaper.I'm glad i didn't drop this but damn, the 3D is awful Next episode probably won't have any CGI due to the fights that will take in place. Crossing my fingers so they don't derp the good parts. Err no the next one will have 3DCGi logically except if they really extend stuff so don't go promising that ^^". |
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| [quote=ValhasDrew] Visceras said: Plus when you talk about old shonens like DB, they don´t have clichê xD .. when they were made there wasn´t such thing as clichê .. they created them ^^ Look, I don´t want to be mean or anything but i'm not an DB fan. I just watched it a month ago and I also hated some parts. But even I, with only a few anime on my list realized that the way they present us the things that today we say are clichê just proves that they were the ones who came up with it. You also said, everyone can write it. So you are saying everyone could write Rokka no Yusha? So you are saying that basically it's so bad that everyone could do better? <.< Dude think about it. It's like a car. When the first car was made, it sucked. Was slow, with a lot of problems .. but it was the first. Nowadays we have better cars, but those only existed because those bad cars were created in the first place. I don´t want to go too deep into this, but they definately were the first ones who came up with, no matter you say, you have to give credit to them.. Zefyris I didn´t read what you wrote, just some parts. I realized that you are a LN reader that's kinda unfair ;) I'm discussing based on what i've seen. You clearly know more than me so .. I enjoy discussing anime so that's why I'm here talking. Based on what I've seen, Flamie is weak. Even though she may have killed many heroes already, she only uses a gun. Adlet in the other hand has a pocket full of triks. Who knows what he can be hiding .. he has a unknown past, no one ever heard about him yet he managed to be one of the 6 heroes so he must be strong. And if he really is the 7th(at least considering that the other heroes believe that he is the 7th) he would have some plan right? Plus .. you are telling me that Chamo is an experiencied fighter. Yet from what i've seen, she is only some random girl who was blessed with some super power. Having some badass OP power doesn´t make her experienced at all. For last, about the clichê. Yes, he is a typical MC shonen character. Yes he did kidnapped Flamie to save himself .. did he had any intention at all to harm her? Or make some kind of a deal? No. We can say he is logic, and according to the situation he made the right choice. But in the end .. he is still that guy who only wants to protect his friends and got stronger because of it. Is it going to get worst? Well I would be surprised if he wa the 7th. But I have 99% sure that he isn´t. Hans probably is .. so I can not see how he will be different from the other MC characters I've seen. |
ViscerasAug 16, 2015 12:38 PM
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| "This episode really makes me want to pity Adelt. To him, the “Strongest Man in the World” is more of a mantra he tries to tell himself rather than an actual fact. Adelt wants nothing more to be the Shonen Protagonist, who laughs in the face of danger and over comes his hurdlers with Friendship Effort and Victory. But the sad reality is that Adelt doesn’t really have what it takes. He might be a little smarter than the average man and have some neat gadgets, but Adelt isn’t actually stronger than someone with real power. Kakashi might have countless techniques and tricks, but he still isn’t stronger than Naruto. If this wasn’t a show that required critical thinking, Adelt would have no place here…" Quote from an ACTUAL review site, from an ACTUAL critic, though I doubt this will be opinion-changing for whoever still thinks Adlet is a cliche character. Note: this was a review of episode 6 so his character has only become more complex this episode. |
| Yah I think the same. But that doesn´t change his personality. Are we talking about him being strong or his personality? I'm talking about his personality. But okay I admit. Having this character who tells himself that he is the strongest when he clearly isn´t is something half-new. I'm still wondering about his true power level. It can´t be just that. |
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Zefyris said: I just hope it isn't used to cover up some scenes that should be done frame by frame ;-;ValhasDrew said: They are far more awful CGI in other animes. You know something too? The movements of the Kyoumas are natural and unique which doesn't makes it that bad, but due to lack of budget they need to use CGI since IIRC it is cheaper. Next episode probably won't have any CGI due to the fights that will take in place. Crossing my fingers so they don't derp the good parts. Err no the next one will have 3DCGi logically except if they really extend stuff so don't go promising that ^^". Visceras said: I said that anyone could write this type of charactersValhasDrew said: Hilarious. They created what is not cliche? Give me a break dude. Anyone could create that type of characters. The ones who die but are revived by mysterious powers. The ones than get drowned in darkness but overcome the darkness and become more powerful. I can't mention how many times I have seen the same sh*t and how boring it has become of watching DB. The nostalgia makes you overexaggerate the true worth of DB. I bet that if people watch it for the first timer right now in their teens, I doubt they will be overcome with hype and be like: "Ah it is another typical shounen". Look, I don´t want to be mean or anything but i'm not an DB fan. I just watched it a month ago and I also hated some parts. But even I, with only a few anime on my list realized that the way they present us the things that today we say are clichê just proves that they were the ones who came up with it. You also said, everyone can write it. So you are saying everyone could write Rokka no Yusha? So you are saying that basically it's so bad that everyone could do better? <.< Dude think about it. It's like a car. When the first car was made, it sucked. Was slow, with a lot of problems .. but it was the first. Nowadays we have better cars, but those only existed because those bad cars were created in the first place. I don´t want to go too deep into this, but they definately were the first ones who came up with, no matter you say, you have to give credit to them.. [*]The ones who die but are revived by mysterious powers. [*] The ones than get drowned in darkness but overcome the darkness and become more powerful. I made my points specific. I never said anyone could write stories, I said anyone could create such characters. Really different cases. And actually no, they are far older mangas that were created before DB. Thing is DB became famous but wasn't the first that could have use that kind of setting. Give it some thought. And AFAIK, I have never heard that DB defined such type of characters. I accept your words as an opinion, but not as a fact because it has yet to be proven or even told by others. |
ValhasDrewAug 16, 2015 1:11 PM
Zefyris I didn´t read what you wrote, just some parts. I realized that you are a LN reader that's kinda unfair ;) I'm discussing based on what i've seen. You clearly know more than me so .. I enjoy discussing anime so that's why I'm here talking. Well yes, what I've been saying to you for a while is that the author behind that work plays a lot with false clichés. That's why I'm saying you to not take what hasn't been explained yet for face value/granted. If you look at the previous episodes you should already see that tendency. Let's say you don't read any synopsis and didn't see any preview before starting viewing RnY. You look at the first episode. What kind of story do you expect?A very cliché "go to defeat the great bad guy menacing humanity as a chosen warrior". It starts like that indeed. And before long you're in a detective enigma and a psychological show with suspicion everywhere. Then you have Adlet. When he appears, he seems like that he's the typical strong MC, claiming to be the strongest man in the world. Combat start, he cheats like hell instead. Okay, so what about his personality then. Seems cliché enough, I'm gonna protect you blablabla. He's in difficulty? he takes as hostage the girl he's supposed to protect lol. Okay, what about the background then. Episode 6, we see a bit. Seems frigging cliché. Probably got his whole village killed and went to that master for revenge. What do we get instead? you know that this episode. Take Fremy. When she appeared, everyone was thinking "she's not the brave killer, she doesn't look like she could kill someone coldly like that" and reacted to her behaviour as some angsty teenager currently having a problem and not talking about it. Well, episode 4, she's actually the serial killer they said she was. And then episode 7. She's not just angsty or whatever and has very good reason behind to reject other's kindness (remember what she said episode 3 : it was here already. Don't point your kindness toward me, it makes me want to kill you". Betrayed by those that were showing false kindness toward her. And so on. Based on what I've seen, Flamie is weak. Even though she may have killed many heroes already, she only uses a gun. You have two choices here. Either Fremy is the seventh and in that case since she's fake she could be weak, or she's strong. Because if she's not the seventh, the Goddess therefore choose her, actually making her one of the top 4 saint in the world currently. I'm not going to give you the correct answer, but she has to be one of the two. If you're convinced she's not the 7th, then you'll have to revise your judgement about her strength. Also, she's the saint of black powder. HEr power isn't to shoot a gun, it's to create many things using black powder, like that convenient tool she just gave Adlet. We didn't see her battle seriously (could have seen her if not interupted by adlet in episode 4 though...). Adlet in the other hand has a pocket full of triks. Who knows what he can be hiding .. he has a unknown past, no one ever heard about him yet he managed to be one of the 6 heroes so he must be strong. And if he really is the 7th(at least considering that the other heroes believe that he is the 7th) he would have some plan right? Plus .. you are telling me that Chamo is an experiencied fighter. Yet from what i've seen, she is only some random girl who was blessed with some super power. Having some badass OP power doesn´t make her experienced at all. Between a self proclaimed strongest man in the world, and a little monster called by everyone "history strongest" said to be the strongest being since the saint of single flower who soloed 1,000 years ago the demon god fully awake AND the whole army of fiends, who would you bet on? I wouldn't say it's impossible to kill Chamo if it's from someone she trusts. If Adlet was Chamo's friend for example, she could leaves her guard down near him and have him actually deceives her, yes. Like you said, she's a kid. That's really a weak point for her. But Adlet is already acknowledged as an enemy here. If a sniper cannot do a surprise attack, someone with bombs and darts with far less range and already acknowledged as an enemy stands no chance. For last, about the clichê. Yes, he is a typical MC shonen character. Yes he did kidnapped Flamie to save himself .. did he had any intention at all to harm her? Or make some kind of a deal? No. We can say he is logic, and according to the situation he made the right choice. But in the end .. he is still that guy who only wants to protect his friends and got stronger because of it. Is it going to get worst? Well I would be surprised if he wa the 7th. But I have 99% sure that he isn´t. Hans probably is .. so I can not see how he will be different from the other MC characters I've seen. If typical shounen MC were like adlet, shounen magazine would have a serious problem by now. And no, sorry, he used as a shield a innocent girl he promised to protect. Do you seriously think that any normal minded person would think of doing that in this situation? He could have used those flashbang to flee. Instead, he used them to take a hostage. That felt completely natural for him here. He did it as a natural solution to his current problem. Was it the best solution or not? it doesn't even matter. A shounen hero doesn't do that. Period. He's creepy with his smile. And he's a cheater. 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ZefyrisAug 16, 2015 1:01 PM
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| Gonna put this out here but anyone who runs around screaming cliches while posting on anime form, have anime avatar and watching any anime is hypocirte that shouldn't be taken seriously. It shows that person doesn't understand what a cliche really is, why it's an actual problem and is just using as generic insult to say I don't like this instead of just saying they don't like something directly. Word abuse with proper context. GSupernova said: MasaneX said: Irrelevant to the actual mystery ? And what's wrong with that ? Rokka no Yuusha isn't just about the Illusion Barrier, it needs the character building. Actually, the bond between Fremy and Adlet is very relevant already in this mystery, because without it they wouldn't be able to solve it. That's sort of the problem though - all this character building will ultimately lead to nowhere by the end of the cour(except for the back story of the 7th, as motive is important for the culprit). Like I said, I have no doubt it's important in later volumes of the story, but I just don't see the specifics coming into play by the end of this cour. So ultimately by the end of the cour, I think we'll have a) a lot of back story(assumedly, if the other characters are given similar treatment) and b) the resolution of the mystery(with whatever time is left over? IDK at this point). And it probably won't get another cour. That's it. Is that enough to say that the series was well worth the adaptation? I have no idea. The more I think about it, this series feels to me like if they adapted the first episode of Umineko no Naku Koro ni in a 12 episode cour and then that was it. At that point why bother doing adaptation then if you're gonna cut out or reduce it's most important parts? Let's get those straight this anime is adaptation of several series of books so it was never reach the climax with Demon God to begin with. Why the hell would anyone want that anyway? The core of any good story is always its' journey not the destination, in other words, it's world-building, characters, events, the developments, bonding, interactions and whatnot. Trading in that reach some endpoint leaves you nothing but a hallow story that should just ended at it's first chapter. Whether characters well meet their desires isn't nearly as interesting or important as the struggles they go through to get to them. That is what makes people invested in a story, not it's overview. |
Frrrosty said: "This episode really makes me want to pity Adelt. To him, the “Strongest Man in the World” is more of a mantra he tries to tell himself rather than an actual fact. Adelt wants nothing more to be the Shonen Protagonist, who laughs in the face of danger and over comes his hurdlers with Friendship Effort and Victory. But the sad reality is that Adelt doesn’t really have what it takes. He might be a little smarter than the average man and have some neat gadgets, but Adelt isn’t actually stronger than someone with real power. Kakashi might have countless techniques and tricks, but he still isn’t stronger than Naruto. If this wasn’t a show that required critical thinking, Adelt would have no place here…" Quote from an ACTUAL review site, from an ACTUAL critic, though I doubt this will be opinion-changing for whoever still thinks Adlet is a cliche character. Note: this was a review of episode 6 so his character has only become more complex this episode. You found it from here http://metanorn.net/2015/08/rokka-no-yuusha-06 The post make itself with that quote may seem out of context so it had be better if the whole post was read for better understanding. |
| I'm quite happy with this ep in that it's not all about who's the fake, but some time is given to flesh out some of the characters better. If they're gonna be stuck with them in the barrier for this entire season, we'd better learn more about the characters too. The problem I have with the mystery taking so much time is actually because I think Rokka's other aspects, such as the characterization, interactions & world building shine out more. But as long as it doesn't push every one of those aspects aside in favor of finding out who's the fake then it's all good. Making USE of the characterization & interactions along with the mystery would make it even better and this ep gave me hope for that. Of course, a little bit of action to spice things up every once in a while doesn't hurt either. |
ManlyTearAug 16, 2015 1:08 PM
| @Visceras, can you clarify what you find in his personality that is 'banal'? Since from the critic's perspective, he is inferring that Adlet has been pathologically troubled by his past, albeit not really at a deep level since its not a psychological/dementia series like Neon Genesis Evangelion, but it is still complex enough to deserve merit. Plus, Adlet said it himself, Atro Spiker molded him to be not a man who fights for the sake of revenge like most cardboard cutouts like Yuichiro Hyakuya, the MC from Owari no Seraph, or Eren from Attack on Titan (and countless other revenge-crazed characters) but 'someone who chooses to believe in something', making him one of the most realistic characters I have seen in a long time. This is also supported by the fact that he panicked in episode 6 when almost every brave wanted to kill him, and also the tsundere element in this episode etc, etc. There really are many examples of how realistic he is. He's really likeable if you ask me, and this is just evidence from the episodes so far. |
FrrrostyAug 16, 2015 1:37 PM
| First of, Frrrosty, you are wrong. Yuu (from Owari) actually fights to protect his friends. He admited that in the anime. About Eren, yes he is sick for revenge. I'm still thinking that i'm being attatcked by LN fans and they clearly know if the anime will be good or not (at least considereing it will have a decent adaptation). I think he is bannal because: Yes he proclaims himself as being the strongest man in the world. Is it that strange for you? Because for me it isn´t. He may have not realized that he is weaker. For me, cheating or not, that is bulshit. Is it wrong to use weapons in a fight? No. Not at all. Taking that point of view, it would be unfair having Adlet fighting with any other saint because he does not own any special power just because( they didn´t explained how someone earns powers though..). So yeah he really can think that he is the strongest. Or we can just consider that he has this attitude due to his master. His master told him to smile when he faces danger, so that he doesn´t crack before fear bla bla.. I don´t think he is a psycho. I'm only making speculations because again I don´t know how the series will end. Naruto also said countless times he was the best ninja ever even though he lost vs Sasuke and a lot of other enemies.. it was part of his optimistic personality that I consider to be Similar to Adlet's. About him using Flamie has a shield, if he really had any bad intention, that conversation would´t have existed. Or he really is a master genius and he is fooling everyone and manipulating everyone like Kira.. But let's face it that's quite unlikely. So in short, why do I think he is just another banal MC? Yes he can have little things different from other MC characters BUT.. let's take a look at Flamie's case. He supports her. Why? Because he wants to save her .. he considers her as a friend that he has to save. Doesn´t it look similiar to you? We are only 7 eps in a seasonal anime show so I believe that we will have the chance to see more of his "banal" personality. Yes indeed I can be wrong I admit it. But just because I haven´t read the LN doesn´t make my opinion wrong. Based on the anime, I trully believe that Adlet is not a pshycho killer or anything like that, he is just an optimistic guy (mainly because of his master) who cares about his friends and is figthing against the demons because he doesn´t want anyone to get killed or harmed. If this is not something that we already saw many times then tell me what it is. |
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| Heck yeah, things are going in Adelt x Fremy's direction <3 I thought Nashetania was the main heroine (even if she is the most susceptible) but I guess Fremy is the main love interest. That's good. And a good fight between Hans and Adelt. |
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| no, that's not the reason he supports fremy. I told you already, don't take anything for granted and as face value if it hasn't been confirmed. You're not being attacked, I've been telling you for a while that trying to predict that x and Y will end cliché is bound to be wrong when you have an author that basically keep playing with you on that point all the time. Everytime you think it's going to be cliché, you could say basically that you fell right into the trap the author made at that place. And episode 5 Adlet was already thinking 'if chamo is the 7th then we have a problem". If he was sure to be strongest in the world why would he think that he can't take on Chamo? Why would he be so prompt to use a hostage without even trying to defend himself back then, he FLED. And once again against hans, "I'll have to retreat". You have everything hinting that the "strongest of the world" he's talking about isn't some kind of shounen bullshit like naruto by now. Oh and also, yes it's freaking wrong to use poison dart, bombs, calltrops in a sacred tournament based on honourable fighting. It's not wrong to use it in a fight to death or against fiends obviously. The problem is he just crashed in a sacred and honourable tournament and used that. There are limits to everything. This isn't a ninja tournament from naruto here xD. |
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| Well he clearly stated that "I had to prove that I was strong" in order to join the 6 heroes .. and it worked :D It was a really interesting way of beginning a series like this 10 points for that (: . Why is it wrong? I don´t get your point on that. Okay since you, an LN reader, is telling me that I'm getting fooled by the author, then I will be prepared for some drastic change. He said he had to retreat because he didn´t had his stuff. Hans has his ability and knifes, Adlet has his bombs + poision + whatever he has and he clearly needs it. About Chamo and his statement "if she is the 7th then we will have a problem" that' him reconizing her as a difficult openent. He do recognizes her as a strong hero. Yes I said that he probably wasn´t aware of the other saints' power but right after I said that most likely he is like that because he is optimistic. If he doesn´t support Fremy for that reason then that is spoiler. He said in the anime once she asked why was he supporting her and he said : I don´t think you are a bad person, I want to help you and be your friend" or something like that so.. yeah once again I'm being executed due to my lack of knowledge when the only thing I'm doing here is to speculate about the anime. |
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Visceras said: First of, Frrrosty, you are wrong. Yuu (from Owari) actually fights to protect his friends. He admited that in the anime. About Eren, yes he is sick for revenge. I'm still thinking that i'm being attatcked by LN fans and they clearly know if the anime will be good or not (at least considereing it will have a decent adaptation). I think he is bannal because: Yes he proclaims himself as being the strongest man in the world. Is it that strange for you? Because for me it isn´t. He may have not realized that he is weaker. For me, cheating or not, that is bulshit. Is it wrong to use weapons in a fight? No. Not at all. Taking that point of view, it would be unfair having Adlet fighting with any other saint because he does not own any special power just because( they didn´t explained how someone earns powers though..). So yeah he really can think that he is the strongest. Or we can just consider that he has this attitude due to his master. His master told him to smile when he faces danger, so that he doesn´t crack before fear bla bla.. I don´t think he is a psycho. I'm only making speculations because again I don´t know how the series will end. Naruto also said countless times he was the best ninja ever even though he lost vs Sasuke and a lot of other enemies.. it was part of his optimistic personality that I consider to be Similar to Adlet's. About him using Flamie has a shield, if he really had any bad intention, that conversation would´t have existed. Or he really is a master genius and he is fooling everyone and manipulating everyone like Kira.. But let's face it that's quite unlikely. So in short, why do I think he is just another banal MC? Yes he can have little things different from other MC characters BUT.. let's take a look at Flamie's case. He supports her. Why? Because he wants to save her .. he considers her as a friend that he has to save. Doesn´t it look similiar to you? We are only 7 eps in a seasonal anime show so I believe that we will have the chance to see more of his "banal" personality. Yes indeed I can be wrong I admit it. But just because I haven´t read the LN doesn´t make my opinion wrong. Based on the anime, I trully believe that Adlet is not a pshycho killer or anything like that, he is just an optimistic guy (mainly because of his master) who cares about his friends and is figthing against the demons because he doesn´t want anyone to get killed or harmed. If this is not something that we already saw many times then tell me what it is. Well, thanks for the reply, now I can understand at least why you aren't on the same wavelength as I am. First off, I'll just say that I am not an LN reader, I'm just simply using scenes and dialogue from the anime to prove my point. Secondly, I'm pretty sure this is a seinen and not a shounen so I think this in and of itself is why I favour Adlet over all the MCs we've discussed about thus far. Yuu wanting to fight for his friends doesn't make a difference, the bottom line is the same since even that trope is overused (don't make me list the number of MCs which have this) and I feel that your comment only served as point-scoring. Adlet's attachment to Fremy may have been, as you said, shallow at first (although from the camera angles in episode 2 I would say it was love at first sight and not just because he likes to protect pretty girls) by episode 5, it is clear that Fremy isn't just a pretty face, in the eyes of Adlet, that needs to be protected. He realizes the tense situation and even states in an internal monologue that there will be trouble if they suspect him. Thus, he desperately deems Fremy as his only lifeline if ever he got condemned. Moreover, by episode 7 he tries to relate with her due to his insecurities and perhaps his longing for a true friendship since he had lost his family and friend and has had no genuine relationship since (not excluding his shallow relationship with Nashetania). In addition, by now, I think you should realize that Adlet is quite a conflicted character internally. Though his philosophy is to believe in something to become strong (inherited from his master), he also states that he feels the 'pain' of wanting vengeance, further implying that it is still a pitiful motivation which he detests himself as he is going against Spiker's teaching. |
| LAMO! So Adlet is like Naruto now because he has catchphrase, he's sort of positive and get's know people? Way too both characters disserivce (even I don't like Naruto) and show you understand nothing about Adlet despite being shown so clear that even 8 year old could grasp. Adlet is traumatized guy who is still suffering from loss of his only family and developed that habit his harsh 10 years long training. He's catchphrase isn't some random shit, it's how copes his problems even if may not truly believe it. Trying to lump him as generic shounen hero because shows, you don't even know what a generic shounen is. The strongest man in the world is nothing more then placebo. That very fact you can't understand this is where your very argument falls apart made worse by the superficial comparisons your making. Furthermore incased you missed it, he just stated that he drawn to Fremy because he consider similar to him in some aspects, in particular because they were both betrayed by people who they loved Adlet by his own village and Fremy by her mother and fellow Fiends. |
Iron_MawAug 16, 2015 2:39 PM
| I won´t go deep into other anime because I'm not here do discuss that. Every time I mentioned other anime is because someone before me did it. Just to say, Yuu starts to care about his friends and starts figthing for them without forgetting the revenge. About Adlet it self, we no longer are discussing the fact that he is cliche or not right? Seems that out of no where we are discussing if he is or not a psycho or some guy with deep problems. So I will state why I don´t think he is a bad guy. 1st: You said that he is not the type of guy who wants to help pretty girls, but that is exactly what he did with Nashetania. He heard her story and became her friend bla bla we all know that. 2nd: He only took Fremy because it was his only way out. Nachetania had protection from her body guard. But yes his reaction when he said he wanted to help her kinda proves your point, that he started to like her. But when they first met, there is no evidence of that. He clearly said : I'm helping you because you are not a bad person. Yeah you can deny, none of us will actually know his true reasons at least for now, but he basically helped her because he is that type of guy. I don´t understand when you said : "it is clear that Fremy isn't just a pretty face, in the eyes of Adlet, that needs to be protected. He realizes the tense situation and even states in an internal monologue that there will be trouble if they suspect him." what one thing has to do with the other. He only said it would be a problem if they start suspect him because he knows that he is not the 7th (so as we do) and if he is the suspect then the real 7th will escape. About all that talk about him wanting a connection with Fremy because he wants true friends, well it can be true but also makes sense if he is only helping Fremy because he understands her and wants to help her. I would be surprised if he really is helping her because of that .. if that is the case THEN I WILL REMOVE EVERYTHING I'VE SAID SO FAR ABOUT HIM. But honestly, that doesn´t seem the case here. @Jagd84 And you do? Honestly seems that you are only copying someone's else opinion (like the LN readers opinion). To make it clear, I've said "His personality isn´t something new, I've seen it before . According to the anime it seems that he is another MC shonen type. I'm not saying he definately is this type of character, but so far that's what I've seen. |
ViscerasAug 16, 2015 2:48 PM
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Visceras said: Well he clearly stated that "I had to prove that I was strong" in order to join the 6 heroes .. and it worked :D . Well it worked IF he's not the seventh. It's wrong because using all that weaponry against a warrior who just came wih his sword thinking it's going to be a fair and honourable fight is just not proving he's stronger. What do you know, maybe the warrior is actually far stronger in a char or on a horse, he didn't came with it. And so on. Visceras said: He said he had to retreat because he didn´t had his stuff. Hans has his ability and knifes, Adlet has his bombs + poision + whatever he has and he clearly needs it. About Chamo and his statement "if she is the 7th then we will have a problem" that' him reconizing her as a difficult openent. He do recognizes her as a strong hero. Really? If she's the seventh then he doesn't have to fight her alone. Even so, he's saying that they're in trouble if it's her. Adlet doesn't usually uses what is inside that box during fight, so no, sorry. If you didn't notice, he has several belts with lots of pouches ( that's why Chamo called him "a guy with weird belt" earlier). that's what he uses ina fight. His box is used to recharge between battles as well as in some very specific cases if he has to do something rare (like bombing that door). He should be able to fight hans without that box. Yet he's preparing for retreating. Yes I said that he probably wasn´t aware of the other saints' power but right after I said that most likely he is like that because he is optimistic. He isn't though. If he doesn´t support Fremy for that reason then that is spoiler. He said in the anime once she asked why was he supporting her and he said : I don´t think you are a bad person, I want to help you and be your friend" or something like that so.. yeah once again I'm being executed due to my lack of knowledge when the only thing I'm doing here is to speculate about the anime. he was saying he couldn't leave her alone because they were very similar. ... And right after that played tsundere. :] I doubt he wants to become her "friend" :p. |
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| When he fought Hans, he didn´t had his stuff, he needed to reload. That's what I meant. Or at least if he do have the stuff, then he didn´t used it. The saint of the mountain said that he would come back to get his stuff back because he needed it, and she was right. Well a warrior fighting a guy with tricks is unfair .. but a warrior figthing a saint is not unfair .. hm .. plus he fought a lot of them at once. He isn't though. , That's spoiler. What I said about Fremy was about when they first met. I also said he could be in love with her in my post somewhere. If I didn´t, I'm doing it now. |
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Visceras said: He isn't though. , That's spoiler. Being taught to be falsely optimistic Isn't true optimism. I'm uncertain how that's a spoiler. |
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Visceras said: He isn't though. , That's spoiler. . nope. It was hinted a lot and as someone quoted a critic who had the same conclusion already in episode 6, I don't see why I should cover that point in a spoiler in episode 7 talk. Visceras said: Well a warrior fighting a guy with tricks is unfair .. but a warrior figthing a saint is not unfair .. hm .. plus he fought a lot of them at once. Well that looks unnatural to us sinc eour world don't have that, I agree with you it may sounds weird. But then again in their world it has been like that for hundred of years, so traditions are there. It's a traditional tournament. And a sacred one to boot. Traditional weapons and Saints are welcome, but stuff like what he used are err... |
ZefyrisAug 16, 2015 3:07 PM
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Tylaen said: Visceras said: He isn't though. , That's spoiler. Being taught to be falsely optimistic Isn't true optimism. I'm uncertain how that's a spoiler. You are right about that. He "learned" how to be optimistic. Maybe I didn´t used the right word. I wanted to say that he will never give up before X situation for as bad as it may sound, like his current situation. And you told me that in fact he isn´t like that. But probably because I used the wrong word. |
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Visceras said: Tylaen said: Being taught to be falsely optimistic Isn't true optimism. I'm uncertain how that's a spoiler. You are right about that. He "learned" how to be optimistic. Maybe I didn´t used the right word. I wanted to say that he will never give up before X situation for as bad as it may sound, like his current situation. And you told me that in fact he isn´t like that. But probably because I used the wrong word. ah, that's different indeed. |
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Visceras said: What I said about Fremy was about when they first met. I also said he could be in love with her in my post somewhere. If I didn´t, I'm doing it now. That would be strange. He needs her to help kill the demon lord, but like her? You're be crazy to like her. Fremy is a terrorist who went on jihad, infiltrated the US and killed a bunch of presidential candidates in order to set up an invasion to take the country over and kill every American. She hasn't even admitted what she did was wrong, not that a bit of remorse would do anything to excuse her actions, she just feels betrayed and wants revenge against the people that sent her. |
SokahAug 16, 2015 4:25 PM
Sokah said: Visceras said: What I said about Fremy was about when they first met. I also said he could be in love with her in my post somewhere. If I didn´t, I'm doing it now. That would be strange. He needs her to help kill the demon lord, but like her? You're be crazy to like her. Fremy is a terrorist who went on jihad, infiltrated the US and killed a bunch of presidential candidates in order to set up an invasion to take the country over and kill every American. She hasn't even admitted what she did was wrong, not that a bit of remorse would do anything to excuse her actions, she just feels betrayed and wants revenge against the people that sent her. Making him like her despite all of her crimes? As expected of best girl. |
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| the characters are like kids, figures. that old woman that seems to be the one ordering and the princess said that it is still not sure, so splitting in pairs only endangers them, when they are so sure that there is a fake 7th. but none seems to voice that. and that last fighting scene. they were like mannequins, and this scenario, where the hero is easily tripped just like that, so different from what he was made to look like in the previous episodes, against the most annoying person, unknown to us viewer of his abilities. that's the most annoying. For the hero, made to be strong, be defeated by an person with little intro, unfocused for his abilities. so without further a do... wait... also.. this focus the series made... was wrong... when the world is in the balance, is it right for it to go this way, the capturing of the fake 7th? when there are loads of issues, battling to be done? it would be different if it is a long series or is this gonna be a short wam bam, save the world, done... alright. for this post, in conclusion, Im going to leave this at 7th episode, dropped dead. Ironic since the story seems to be about the 7th. lucky 7 for them. just rated this, 4, seems that it ends at 12, which make it even worse. sheesh. m |
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animeBee1ver said: the characters are like kids, figures. that old woman that seems to be the one ordering and the princess said that it is still not sure, so splitting in pairs only endangers them, when they are so sure that there is a fake 7th. but none seems to voice that. Because 4 of them are 100% sure it's Adlet and one Is 99% sure. Nash has voiced her opinion, pretty loudly too. Reading, man. Is it hard? animeBee1ver said: wait... also.. this focus the series made... was wrong... when the world is in the balance, is it right for it to go this way, the capturing of the fake 7th? when there are loads of issues, battling to be done? it would be different if it is a long series or is this gonna be a short wam bam, save the world, done... Your expectations were wrong. |
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| Nachetanya putting the blame on Hans really suspects me she is the 7th. She nevered said anything when Adlet was being suspected as the 7th. |
animeBee1ver said: the characters are like kids, figures. that old woman that seems to be the one ordering and the princess said that it is still not sure, so splitting in pairs only endangers them, when they are so sure that there is a fake 7th. but none seems to voice that. and that last fighting scene. they were like mannequins, and this scenario, where the hero is easily tripped just like that, so different from what he was made to look like in the previous episodes, against the most annoying person, unknown to us viewer of his abilities. that's the most annoying. For the hero, made to be strong, be defeated by an person with little intro, unfocused for his abilities. so without further a do... wait... also.. this focus the series made... was wrong... when the world is in the balance, is it right for it to go this way, the capturing of the fake 7th? when there are loads of issues, battling to be done? it would be different if it is a long series or is this gonna be a short wam bam, save the world, done... alright. for this post, in conclusion, Im going to leave this at 7th episode, dropped dead. Ironic since the story seems to be about the 7th. lucky 7 for them. just rated this, 4, seems that it ends at 12, which make it even worse. sheesh. m Could you type like a normal human being? bibotot said: Ugoki said: And that's why you go read the LN afterwards. If an anime requires the viewer to read the source material to understand without being confused, it is a bad anime. I read what I want, not what some anime tells me to. This anime is mainly an advertisement for the LN, since the LN volumes are all one continuous story. And you're "confused"? Wow, you must have a loose screw on your head or something. |
bibotot said: Frrrosty said: Well, there's an obvious response to this. The writer doesn't want you care that much about his friend or sister; rather, he just wants you to know that these people were important to him as a person seen by the way certain moments of Adlet's past were backtracked. 1. Raina protecting Adlet from Tgurneu (7.06) 2. Shetra (sister) embracing Adlet in the night before the fateful day (7.12) And the fact that Adlet isn't over-dramatizing it as a sob story makes him more of an un-cliche MC, he's taking it up as a man. Granted, the reason why we don't get a full, uncut flashback of his past is because that would be redundant at this stage in the series, at least for volume 1 as it would divert the story AWAY from the mystery. Flashbacks are way too long, spanning 2 episodes. And the stuffs they show are very standard. Should have shortened them a bit, show some about Fremie and extend the fight at the end of this episode. No. I rather have the adaptation be faithful to the novel. |
bibotot said: Flashbacks are way too long, spanning 2 episodes. And the stuffs they show are very standard. Nothing in them makes you go "Wow, I can't believe that happened!" or "God, that was emotional!". Should have shortened them a bit, show some about Fremie and extend the fight at the end of this episode. What the hell are you talking about? We have animes that has flashbacks lasted from 4 episodes to an entire season and you're complaining about one last amount a few minutes at best? Are you kidding me?! Hell the part you saw last week and one this week only amount 3 minutes total. And just because you're internet tough guy doesn't mean other people have to pretend they are. Go back to watching your mindless battle shounen with training arcs already. |
CodeKirugin said: I have a theory. During the few episodes ago. Mora said if one of the braves dies, one of the petals on the flower crest thing will disappear right? So, what if, they decide to kill one of them, that braves dies and the rest of the braves flower crest would be missing one petal out of six petals. Then the one who still has six petals would considered to be the "fake" one right? thats a good theory, let's hope someone like Chamo is killed to prove this theory. (of course she could be the fake too but i don't think so) I've already read the LN up until this episode and it pretty much confirms that 2 out of the 7 is innocent, but its the same info we already know just presented more clearly because of 3rd person writing and all. I want character deaths and if someone's gotta die make it be Chamo! (Or the princess cuz she's annoying, idc if she's innocent or not i don't like her) |
| Finally. a LITTLE less boring. Next episode we might FINALLY get some answers. God I hope they dont waste too much more time there. |
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| It's interesting to see Adlet's & Flemy's backstories. Characterization is definitely one of the strongest aspect of this anime show. I am really impressed. 7 episodes in & I am still not sure who the culprit was. There's no strong proof at all so far. I hope this mystery will not be solved just like in Game of Laplace where the mystery is solved because apparently the protagonist knows all of the key proof. Very convenient. animeBee1ver said: and that last fighting scene. they were like mannequins, and this scenario, where the hero is easily tripped just like that, so different from what he was made to look like in the previous episodes, against the most annoying person, unknown to us viewer of his abilities. that's the most annoying. For the hero, made to be strong, be defeated by an person with little intro, unfocused for his abilities. so without further a do... wait... also.. this focus the series made... was wrong... when the world is in the balance, is it right for it to go this way, the capturing of the fake 7th? when there are loads of issues, battling to be done? it would be different if it is a long series or is this gonna be a short wam bam, save the world, done... It was made clear by the anime that Adlet was not fighting Hans to kill nor defeat him, he just wanted to get away from him. So he's not really focusing on fighting him. On the other hand, Hans' intention was to defeat Adlet. In order to save the world from the Demon God, they have to escape the barrier first. And as we know, the barrier is activated by someone(possibly the 7th Brave). So what they're doing right now is pretty reasonable. Is there anyway at all to save the world without solving the problem they have right now? Visceras said: To make it clear, I've said "His personality isn´t something new, I've seen it before . According to the anime it seems that he is another MC shonen type. I'm not saying he definately is this type of character, but so far that's what I've seen. His personality, yes it's very common. But his character is more than that. His characterization & interaction are far more well-written than most of this type of protagonist. & at least Adlet is not Shirou(which is a cliche character yet not trying to make the character break out of the cliche). |
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