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| It's ok to abuse your kids or allow someone else to abuse and control them as long as your job description calls for it. lmao. |
TripleSRank said: jreginald said: I'm okay'ing the Zoldycks cause that's what they're supposed to be: a family of assassins. Only one I have problems with morally would be Illumi, and that's because his intentions for Killua are filled with corruption. Silva, however, actually cares for Killua (ie. letting him go on his own, letting him see Alluka). And I'm also okay'ing Ging because if it wasn't for him, Gon would have probably never became a Hunter. I'm acknowledging that he's a terrible father but at the same time, it's pretty hilarious how people give him so much slack for it. I'm also okay'ing them because they're all badass. "They are what they're supposed be" -> It's okay to kill because you're an assassin. Not. They don't have to be assassins. They choose to be. Silva allowed Illumi to do what he did, and he was behind the abuse Killua received. At that, he seemed quite confident that Killua would come back, given how he had raised him and given that he (apparently) saw some of himself in Killua. Maybe Silva does care about Killua to an extent. That doesn't excuse his abusive or murderous actions, though. As for their "awesomeness", I currently have no comment. ;p I don't excuse how they brought up Killua but the Zoldycks wouldn't be the same if they weren't assassins in the first place. It's what makes them significant. Otherwise, they're just some randies in this show. Besides, I don't exactly watch Hunter x Hunter for good parental figures. That's why it doesn't really bother me. |
jreginald said: TripleSRank said: "They are what they're supposed be" -> It's okay to kill because you're an assassin. Not. They don't have to be assassins. They choose to be. Silva allowed Illumi to do what he did, and he was behind the abuse Killua received. At that, he seemed quite confident that Killua would come back, given how he had raised him and given that he (apparently) saw some of himself in Killua. Maybe Silva does care about Killua to an extent. That doesn't excuse his abusive or murderous actions, though. As for their "awesomeness", I currently have no comment. ;p I don't excuse how they brought up Killua but the Zoldycks wouldn't be the same if they weren't assassins in the first place. It's what makes them significant. Otherwise, they're just some randies in this show. Besides, I don't exactly watch Hunter x Hunter for good parental figures. That's why it doesn't really bother me.[/quote] I agree. It does make them significant. Still, it doesn't make much logical sense to hate Ging yet not the Zoldycks, which was my original point. Perhaps everyone will suddenly love him too once they see him doing something awesome? That seems to be the main thing the Zoldycks have going for them (from my perspective). saucytacomix said: It's ok to abuse your kids or allow someone else to abuse and control them as long as your job description calls for it. lmao. ^This guy gal gets it. xD |
TripleSRankJul 17, 2014 10:21 PM
| Pariston wasn't actually annoying to me this episode. Maybe because I didn't really understand the implications of his requests until another member pointed out how he could manipulate the situation to his benefit. He's a sly one, at least to a dummy like me ;). |
| Pariston is one of the best characters :D |
| Takahashi, Hiroki is doing a good job as Pariston. I should not have doubted Madhouse, foolish me :( |
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
| for now I'll consider Alluka as a female for she looks and she sounds like one.. anyway I really hate Killua's mother.. "give me your brain"... wtf I hope her powers will be more explained.. you know was she using nen or what? it can't be that she's just a genie or something |
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| blonde guy reminds me of Job Trunith from LoGH but more annoying i loled at the buttler crushing scene |
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TripleSRank said: jreginald said: "They are what they're supposed be" -> It's okay to kill because you're an assassin. Not. They don't have to be assassins. They choose to be. Silva allowed Illumi to do what he did, and he was behind the abuse Killua received. At that, he seemed quite confident that Killua would come back, given how he had raised him and given that he (apparently) saw some of himself in Killua. Maybe Silva does care about Killua to an extent. That doesn't excuse his abusive or murderous actions, though. As for their "awesomeness", I currently have no comment. ;p I don't excuse how they brought up Killua but the Zoldycks wouldn't be the same if they weren't assassins in the first place. It's what makes them significant. Otherwise, they're just some randies in this show. Besides, I don't exactly watch Hunter x Hunter for good parental figures. That's why it doesn't really bother me. I agree. It does make them significant. Still, it doesn't make much logical sense to hate Ging yet not the Zoldycks, which was my original point. Perhaps everyone will suddenly love him too once they see him doing something awesome? That seems to be the main thing the Zoldycks have going for them (from my perspective).[/quote] Silva knew about the needle? I think I missed a few things... In which episode it is said? Okay, but back to the main point of discussion, SSS said abandoning is less serious than abuse ... Both are terrible, so I cannot say, but most parents raise their children in their perspectives, deceiving even unnoticeably. What Silva does is carry on the Zoldyck family's tradition, but at least he cares about Killua (as jreginald said). And even Illumi cares more about Killua than Gon by Ging, it is nonsense hahaha e.e As said by DalPuri, Killua is the heir of the family, then the fact of his mentality be different from the rest of the Zoldycks' concerns all, but still, Silva let him follow his own wills. But Ging...... Hisoka is more concerned with Gon, so I think he should be the father XD |
Sky345Jul 18, 2014 10:35 AM
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insan3Spectre said: The preview song is literally the worst thing I've ever heard.Pretty good stuff, I guess anyone who was hoping things would be a bit "brighter" in this arc got their wishes properly dashed in this episode. My only real complaint is something I've always kind of had a problem with in the series aside from late CA, some of the OST's didn't fit the scenes imo. |
| Silva and Zeno knew about the needles. They tortured killua, they make him kill people. And I love them but they are way way way way (x100) worse than Ging. And Ging didn't abandon Gon: http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/44/06-051.0/compressed/06_07_16.jpg?v=11224346579 Chapter 51. And Hisoka just want that Gon become stronger and then kill him in a fight, he's his toys. |
| So Black Doraemon and Albino Pikachu were siblings. |
"Deep." |
| *nuffsaid. |
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
T3rm1n4t0r2 said: LLawlied said: Um..he's not transgender either. Simply a boy who looks & acts feminine Well from what I understand, a transgender IS someone that refers to and thinks about themselves as the opposite sex that they were born with biologically. So even if it isn't made clear, I would still suggest transgd as what she is. I'm also trans myself and think of myself as a girl on the inside, so I can vouch for this xD Except i don't dress up yet (after more hrt I will) The difference between me and Alluka is that she is an open Transgender, whereas I'm still a closet one to most people. I have made correction regarding of this LLawlied said: Ah, my bad. Somehow I mistaken transgender for transsexual (who has undergone surgery or some sort) And about Ging, yeah, he's not a good father. But I think he made a good decision 'abandoning' Gon, because he know Mito would make a better parental figure than him. Just look at how Gon has grown. Imagine if someone like Ging raised him. Maybe Ging just doesn't want Gon to become an asshole like him XD |
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codexx said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: [/spoiler][spoiler]There was a discussion going on last episode about why people think Ging is a bad father but nobody seems to mind the Zoldycks. This episode showed why I don't think that Silva is such a horrible father. Zoldycks are insane no doubt but atleast Silva takes care of his kids. He looked after them unlike Ging. Perhaps im bias but thats just how I feel. I don't know if I agree with that entirely, because I wondered why neither Zeno nor Silva really cared about Killua fighting really powerful chimera ants. I guess you could say they simply believed he wouldn't die but they weren't exactly aware of his new ability. Probably because he was in Netero's team. LLawlied said: And about Ging, yeah, he's not a good father. But I think he made a good decision 'abandoning' Gon, because he know Mito would make a better parental figure than him. Just look at how Gon has grown. Imagine if someone like Ging raised him. Maybe Ging just doesn't want Gon to become an asshole like him XD Yes, so maybe Ging is a good person, with good intentions but definitely not a good father XD He knows that Gon wants to find him and still runs away. Consequently, Gon is dying. Guilek said: And Hisoka just want that Gon become stronger and then kill him in a fight, he's his toys. Yes, I was joking about Hisoka XD |
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Guilek said: Silva and Zeno knew about the needles. They tortured killua, they make him kill people. And I love them but they are way way way way (x100) worse than Ging. And Ging didn't abandon Gon: http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/44/06-051.0/compressed/06_07_16.jpg?v=11224346579 Chapter 51. And Hisoka just want that Gon become stronger and then kill him in a fight, he's his toys. That needle is what saved their asses when Pitou attacked Kite and co and that ''torture'' was their training. Killua would not have godspeed, lightingpalm, thungerbolt, his resistance to poison ect if his family didn't ''torture'' him. Zoldycks are assasins, thats their trade and Silva wants his son to step in his footsteps. Are they pushy? hell yeah but most parents are pushy. Even now Silva is the one who is thinking of ways to save Gon for his own sons sake while Ging is.... what is Ging doing? Right, nothing -__- I see Ging as a sperm donor, I will call him a father ones he starts acting like one. codexx said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: There was a discussion going on last episode about why people think Ging is a bad father but nobody seems to mind the Zoldycks. This episode showed why I don't think that Silva is such a horrible father. Zoldycks are insane no doubt but atleast Silva takes care of his kids. He looked after them unlike Ging. Perhaps im bias but thats just how I feel. I don't know if I agree with that entirely, because I wondered why neither Zeno nor Silva really cared about Killua fighting really powerful chimera ants. I guess you could say they simply believed he wouldn't die but they weren't exactly aware of his new ability. They knew that he would never leave his friends behind so they respected that and left. |
SaSa-ZoldyckJul 20, 2014 11:16 AM
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
PrimeX said: for now I'll consider Alluka as a female for she looks and she sounds like one.. anyway I really hate Killua's mother.. "give me your brain"... wtf I hope her powers will be more explained.. you know was she using nen or what? it can't be that she's just a genie or something I think she's one of those nen geniuses, like Komugi and Neon. |
| It's been so long since I read this arc, I completely forgot how Alluka's abilities worked. Pretty wicked, definitely one of the best arcs in the series. I knew Alluka was a boy, since they have said multiple times that all of Killua's siblings are male. That said, Togashi has made me paranoid when it comes to characters that looks female in his series lol. He seriously went overboard with traps in Hunter x Hunter. |
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MrLief said: PrimeX said: for now I'll consider Alluka as a female for she looks and she sounds like one.. anyway I really hate Killua's mother.. "give me your brain"... wtf I hope her powers will be more explained.. you know was she using nen or what? it can't be that she's just a genie or something I think she's one of those nen geniuses, like Komugi and Neon. That actually makes sense. Both Neon and Komugi showed extreme natural nen ability in a very specific area, so I think the same thing could be applied to Alluka, based on what we've seen so far. A bit off-topic, and it goes against her personality somewhat, but has anyone imagined what Komugi would have been like as a military strategist? She would definitely have been a force to be reckoned with. |
TripleSRank said: MrLief said: I think she's one of those nen geniuses, like Komugi and Neon. That actually makes sense. Both Neon and Komugi showed extreme natural nen ability in a very specific area, so I think the same thing could be applied to Alluka, based on what we've seen so far. A bit off-topic, and it goes against her personality somewhat, but has anyone imagined what Komugi would have been like as a military strategist? She would definitely have been a force to be reckoned with. By theory it's possible. We already seen how Meruem applied his Gung-Gi strategy when he fighting Netero. But the problem is she doesn't have knowledge about military stuff even to the point like she is so useless except on Gung-Gi, that was one of a few reason she develop that Gun-Gi Hatsu afterall. I bet she wouldn't understand about troops, tanks, airships, and stuff. More over, she can't "touch" the battlefield like she did while playing Gung-Gi(It's too huge after all). |
FlashofthebackJul 20, 2014 7:07 PM
MShukyDeneuve said: TripleSRank said: By theory it's possible. We already seen how Meruem applied his Gung-Gi strategy when he fighting Netero. But the problem is she don't have knowledge about military stuff even to the point like she is so useless except on Gung-Gi, that was one of a few reason she develop that Gun-Gi Hatsu afterall. I bet she wouldn't understand about troops, tanks, airships, and stuff. More over, she can't "touch" the battlefield like she did while playing Gung-Gi(It's too huge after all). They could use a physical representation of the battlefield to overcome the touch barrier, but I do think you're right about the possibility that she would have a hard time adjusting to a "game" other than Gungi. She devoted her whole life to it, after all. In a real battle, there are also a lot more variables, so... Eh. Maybe it is a bit of a stretch. |
| I did not expect the butler to get squashed like that. Interesting ability, but dangerous. Alluka is scary. |
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| Alluka is a girl.[spoiler]Atleast for me. |
| Damn Alluka looks terrifying in her wish-granting mode. And also when people reject her requests o_o |
PrettySneakyBro said: Usagi and Tuxedo Mask!!It seems like they changed Alluka's gender for the anime. Also, did anyone else catch that Sailor Moon reference? Alluka is cutest thing ever: with all the creepiness behind her backstory, I couldn't help but go completely #HNNNGG when she lifted her head and looked at Killua. I'm also very pleased that Togashi introduced a transgender person in his work and actually handles it in a pretty sensible and realistic manner: while most of Alluka's family doesn't seem to acknowledge her as a girl (or even as a human, for that matter), Killua, the person closest to her, actually does and accepts her for who she is. If anything, we could even draw a parallel between the Zoldycks' rejection of Alluka's humanity and the (sadly) usual treatment of the transgender community as a whole IRL. Don't know if it was intentional on Togashi's part, but that's pretty well found either way. Anyway, this is good stuff, especially in comparison with a certain TITE KUBO and how weak his own handling of transgenderism has been in Bleach's recent chapters (srsly, fuck Giselle). Now about Alluka's ability, I'm actually very interested in knowing what compensation she will ask of Killua for the computer she gave to Milluki, and more importantly what price will have to be paid in order to grant Killua's wish to save Gon. Cause if it follows the rule of equivalent exchange, the bill's gonna be huuuge. |
SapewlothAug 2, 2014 10:36 AM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| I think Alluka is probably Transgender and I bet Kalluto is as well. Kalluto clearly wears a woman's style of kimono and has a feminine hair do. This author really seems to be into Transgender women and homoerotic themes. It already seems like Gon x Killua have a Xena x Gabriel type of relationship. On another note. SERIOUSLY?? I'm the only one to vote a dislike on this episode? This show keeps getting more and more fucked up! Suddenly this show went strait "Akira" with the psychic smushing of people. I don't like Gore with adults, but to add gore with children?? Its crap like this that makes me want to drop this series. |
| Love and Peace!!! |
DaydreamHero said: I think Alluka is probably Transgender and I bet Kalluto is as well. Kalluto clearly wears a woman's style of kimono and has a feminine hair do. This author really seems to be into Transgender women and homoerotic themes. It already seems like Gon x Killua have a Xena x Gabriel type of relationship. On another note. SERIOUSLY?? I'm the only one to vote a dislike on this episode? This show keeps getting more and more fucked up! Suddenly this show went strait "Akira" with the psychic smushing of people. I don't like Gore with adults, but to add gore with children?? Its crap like this that makes me want to drop this series. I personally think Gon and Killua's relationship is purely platonic, regardless as to the gender of the others. As for your second paragraph: The storytelling is still good. I don't like gore either, but I think the blood added to the seriousness/intensity of the situation. It's not just there for shock value. That's why I was able to overlook it. I don't like gore for the sake of gore. It has its place, though. |
| Alluka's power is so awesome and creepy... Loving this arc so far! |
TripleSRank said: DaydreamHero said: I think Alluka is probably Transgender and I bet Kalluto is as well. Kalluto clearly wears a woman's style of kimono and has a feminine hair do. This author really seems to be into Transgender women and homoerotic themes. It already seems like Gon x Killua have a Xena x Gabriel type of relationship. On another note. SERIOUSLY?? I'm the only one to vote a dislike on this episode? This show keeps getting more and more fucked up! Suddenly this show went strait "Akira" with the psychic smushing of people. I don't like Gore with adults, but to add gore with children?? Its crap like this that makes me want to drop this series. I personally think Gon and Killua's relationship is purely platonic, regardless as to the gender of the others. As for your second paragraph: The storytelling is still good. I don't like gore either, but I think the blood added to the seriousness/intensity of the situation. It's not just there for shock value. That's why I was able to overlook it. I don't like gore for the sake of gore. It has its place, though. Sigh I almost dropped the show, but after reading ahead in the manga, the writing was just SO good I'm picking the show up again. Honestly, I do think Gon and Killua's relationship is plutonic, but I think the author is gonna throw enough ambiguous moments in there to get hentai-parody authors and fan fic author juices flowing. |
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| There were all sorts of special abilities in HxH but this one is the most creepiest out of them all. The Zoldyck family is dangerous. |
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| any episode that includes the zoldyck family in it counts as one of my favorites |
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| Holy shit Alluka is one scary motherfucker. Watching that butler's face get crushed was fucking terrifying. Alluka kinda reminds me of Lucy from Elfen Lied in a way. |
| Alluka is scary as a child. Ending Good |
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Mikasa22 said: WTF is this |
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Mikasa22 said: By sex, she is male and has a dick(most likely). But by gender, she is a girl. Killua just respecting her sister condition. And Alluka is just the second youngest. The youngest one is Kalluto.Wow that child is creepy as fuck. Was a interesting episode though. What kinda annoys me is that the writer of HxH can't fucking determine the gender of his characters or makes such a mystery of it. This isn't the first case.. I watched the Anime with Horriblesubs and Kilua refered to her as "sister", now I check Hunter wiki and they introduce her as the youngest son as the Zoldyck family. come on man... |
| Wow that caught me off guard, poor butlers. |
Mikasa22 said: Flashoftheback said: By sex, she is male and has a dick(most likely). But by gender, she is a girl. Killua just respecting her sister condition. And Alluka is just the second youngest. The youngest one is Kalluto. And Kalluto is also a boy, I didn't even know that until now.. Killua basically has 2 trap sisters lol. |
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| That was creepy as hell, these eyes Oo So much gates on their way to her. Poor butler, they burst into a puddle of blood. But so I could understand why Killua wants to asked for her help. I think the next if a little kid asked me for something I take my time what I want to do xD |
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| Creepy as fuck yo. |
kitten320 said: I'm confused... so what gender is Alluka? Everyone says differently... Why the hell are there so many trap characters in this series? Is it really that hard to make a decent, strong and interesting female character? If anything it is one of a massive drawbacks for me in H x H, females are not taken seriously at all here. Actually women(talking about all of them, not 3 specific chars) in HxH are more than just sexual fanservice they tend to be in the majority of today's anime. How you see them not being taken seriously I just can't perceive that from where I stand. The female chars in HxH are strongly characterized and are useful to the plot for a change, and don't belong solely to the kitchen. But of course I might be the only one who sees that. |
| "Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Weep, and you weep alone". Ella Wheeler Wilcox |
kitten320 said: I'm confused... so what gender is Alluka? Everyone says differently... Why the hell are there so many trap characters in this series? Is it really that hard to make a decent, strong and interesting female character? If anything it is one of a massive drawbacks for me in H x H, females are not taken seriously at all here. He is technically a male, that identifies himself as a female. I don't think anybody knows for sure, can just be the author is having fun, confusing the fans, or he has a trap/androgynous fetish, or is supporting of LGBT community (?) Lol yeah, always thought HxH was a bit of a sausge fest, with more Shounen ai subtext, than other battle series. In a way it's kinda funny, how the author bypassed the issue of trying to create 'strong' female characters, by just not having many of them in the first place. I thought Pakunda and maybe Biscuit were decent, the rest are forgettable and with low screen time/relevance/not treated seriously. |
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kitten320 said: ^Agreed. Pakunoda is probably the most memorable one. She might not have been strong physically but she was strong mentally with good deduction skills that helped to save Chrollo. Sadly the rest really are non existent, I'm amazed Biscuit didn't turn out to be a trap as well. And thanks for explanation. Yeah, along with her resolve, to sacrifice herself, for the sake of Chrollo and the spiders. Biscuit could have been better, if she was more involved, beyond Greed Island, where she is just kinda there in the first half of the ants arc. No problem :o |
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| So the obligatory dragonball-esque plot device that will likely fix all of the problems finally appears, and suddenly all my interest in this series fades entirely. |
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