Naruto: Shippuuden Episode 364 Discussion

sibbo7 said:
all those crybabies on here lol.. this episode is shit that episode is not good this episode is bad.. and still you keep watching.

or at least you're here week after week to continue trolling

sibbo7 said:
all those crybabies on here lol.. this episode is shit that episode is not good this episode is bad.. and still you keep watching.

or at least you're here week after week to continue trolling

Thawitchking said:
Can't believe they killed Neji they could have given him a better death atleast. in the preview for next episode they showed Sasuke and Orochimaru in the hidden leaf village right? so is it not destroyed or is that some other villege?

judals said:

all those crybabies on here lol.. this comment is shit that comment is not good this post is bad.. and you still keep posting.

or at least you're here week after week to continue fanboying

Thawitchking said:
Can't believe they killed Neji they could have given him a better death atleast. in the preview for next episode they showed Sasuke and Orochimaru in the hidden leaf village right? so is it not destroyed or is that some other villege?

MoeGod said:
Neji's death though..... I expected it to be more dramatic but it felt flat compared to the manga.

link9us said:

I don't think kishimoto meant to give neji a dramatic death. He basically wanted to show the harsh realities of war and for basic shock value. Knowing that anyone can die at any given time, this is war and i think that was handled ok, and what better character then neji to choose of the konoho 11. That only intern strengthens the bond between naruto and hinata.

Also something that decreased the shock value during this death, was the fact that studio censored it and it only shown neji being speared off screen, where as in the manga its full center.

MoeGod said:


I think a lot of people missed the point of Neji's death. Naruto has been fighting this war by clinging to the words "I won't let my comrades die". This is the exact word that Obito taught to Kakashi, who then taught it to Naruto. Neji didn't die simply because he's a casualty of war, not even for the shock value (although it was quite shocking in the manga when it happened). He died so Obito can have a reason to shake Naruto's resolve because Naruto is similar to how he was when he was young. He wants Naruto to realize that he's naive just like when Obito was young, that you can't always protect all of your comrades. Obito is bitter about not being able to protect Rin and he wants Naruto to experience the same thing.

Why Neji then? it makes perfect sense because among everyone in that battlefield Hinata is the only one who can snap Naruto back and make him realize that his words was not just empty words, that everyone believes the same thing and that's why Neji sacrificed himself. Sakura isn't nearly as kind or as calm as Hinata and you can argue that no one understands Naruto better than Hinata, the one who has watched him for the longest time. Neji was chosen because his death should've impacted Hinata just as much as Naruto yet while Naruto was crumbling because of Obito's words, she remained unwavering and that's how Naruto is able to realize that his believe was not just empty words. This definitely wouldn't work with Sakura, Kakashi, or even Lee. Not only that, Neji's death also pretty much gave him a conclusion of finally understanding how his father felt when he sacrificed himself for the Hyuuga. Pretty much two birds with one stone.

The way Neji's death was executed certainly can be better by giving him more screen time but in all intents and purpose, it fulfilled what it's supposed to do.

SlushyCoffee said:
Does anyone know what volume and chapter this episode take place? Really appreciate the help :)

MoeGod said:


I think a lot of people missed the point of Neji's death. Naruto has been fighting this war by clinging to the words "I won't let my comrades die". This is the exact word that Obito taught to Kakashi, who then taught it to Naruto. Neji didn't die simply because he's a casualty of war, not even for the shock value (although it was quite shocking in the manga when it happened). He died so Obito can have a reason to shake Naruto's resolve because Naruto is similar to how he was when he was young. He wants Naruto to realize that he's naive just like when Obito was young, that you can't always protect all of your comrades. Obito is bitter about not being able to protect Rin and he wants Naruto to experience the same thing.

Why Neji then? it makes perfect sense because among everyone in that battlefield Hinata is the only one who can snap Naruto back and make him realize that his words was not just empty words, that everyone believes the same thing and that's why Neji sacrificed himself. Sakura isn't nearly as kind or as calm as Hinata and you can argue that no one understands Naruto better than Hinata, the one who has watched him for the longest time. Neji was chosen because his death should've impacted Hinata just as much as Naruto yet while Naruto was crumbling because of Obito's words, she remained unwavering and that's how Naruto is able to realize that his believe was not just empty words. This definitely wouldn't work with Sakura, Kakashi, or even Lee. Not only that, Neji's death also pretty much gave him a conclusion of finally understanding how his father felt when he sacrificed himself for the Hyuuga. Pretty much two birds with one stone.

The way Neji's death was executed certainly can be better by giving him more screen time but in all intents and purpose, it fulfilled what it's supposed to do.

judals said:

And that plot has been beaten over our heads for a decade now. Its execution was terrible too.
There is another anime right now dealing with 'failing to save a friend', look at how brilliantly it did that.

Let us put your point under the microscope: he wanted to show someone trying to destroy naruto's beliefs or convictions... By killing someone who had been absent since the war started, and even his last appearance was extremely minor? And before that his last major story was him vs Kidomaru?
Gaara was right there, he was the one who was most similar to naruto as well.
That's just terrible writing.

"Hintata is the only one who can snap back naruto" rewind a couple of arcs and all she did was make him snap and go 6/8 tails.

Besides, she never gad any actual characterization establishing how she'd react, so her being the speech giver was forced and didn't make any sense.

Tyrel said:
Even the HQ getting blown was really stupid

MoeGod said:


I assume you're talking about those hunters. Surely raging & getting power up after failing to save a friend is very original *cough* Fairy Tail *cough*. Not to mention the one who died was a guy who appeared on the first arc and barely did anything until he was killed during the beginning of the current arc about 50 episodes or so ago. Don't bother to reply this one paragraph because I can predict what you're gonna say, I'm not here to hate on other series because I love both (and FT) so you can shove your double standards up your ass back where it belongs. Despite his insignificance Neji is still Naruto's friend, tbh it could be anyone close enough to Naruto and it would still destroy his conviction.

And sure, Gaara would definitely be reaaaaally sad to see a guy who he met once many years ago when he was a kid died before his eyes. Did you even bother to think about my point why it was Neji & Hinata and not anyone else or you just simply let your hate blinded you and jumped to the comment section? Don't twist my word as you wish, there are plenty of definition of the word "snap", do you even English? ever heard the term "snapped back to reality"?

That you think she never had any characterization to give that speech was more than enough prove you didn't even bother to look at the bigger context. Hinata was and is always Naruto's biggest believer since this series started. If anyone would STILL believe in Naruto's words even after it was crushed right before their eyes, it's her. Anyone else would be swayed by Obito's words and even if they don't it won't sound as believable, why? because they're not close to Neji. It's almost like you intentionally ignored past developments between Neji's and Hinata's relationship.

SaSa-Zoldyck said:
Neji's death pissed me off in the manga and it pissed me off in the anime. He gave up his life to protect his cousin who's wetting her panties 3 seconds later because her crush is holding her hand. Neji should have died in part 1, his death would have had a much bigger impact.. Obito is not done whining, he will find another way to bicker with Naruto.

judals said:
The way it seems: kishimoto is trying to force a belief clash between tbe two, and have tobi give in (with TnJ) in the end. That seems the only explanation for it

MoeGod said:


So basically you expect him to react the same way he did many years ago? ever heard the term "character development"? it's like you haven't even noticed that he has tamed the Kyuubi. Did you even hear/read what Obito was gloating about? or different situations were always the same context to you? I don't see how seeing unreasonable teenage angst all the time (like that episode you referred to) has to be the standard of reacting to someone's death because you know, humans are a lot more complex and also know something called "despair" instead of just "rage" all the way. I can also argue that if Hinata hadn't snapped him back to reality, Naruto might have just explode with rage but let's save all the hypothetical bullshit for now.

And also let's not be a hypocrite and expect Naruto to care as much about the countless nameless ninja as he did for Neji, just like that one whiny teenager barely cared about the dying girl being saved in front of him. I also can't stress enough how you ignored past developments. The way you talked is as if Hinata is still the same cowardly girl before Shippuuden started and even then she has grown a lot to be someone who's strong enough to give that speech to Naruto.

Let me just ask you this, who's a better choice than Neji & Hinata combination? Kakashi? Sakura? I bet whoever is with Naruto would just say "this is a war, people die" or something along the line "your conviction is naive" just like Obito. Ino-Shika-Cho would say something along those lines too if one of them dies. Any combination of Kiba & Shino wouldn't work because no one is as sympathetic as Hinata and if Hinata is the one who dies, Naruto would then just rage without being able to challenge Obito's point of view which would defeat the purpose of anyone close to him dying.

Hinata is also literally the only person in this series so far who's willing to sacrifice her life for Naruto aside from Naruto's dead parents. Would Sakura jump to protect him from those spikes? maybe, but it would be even more random than Hinata appearing to protect Naruto. Hinata has done this before so it's not weird and Neji's speech about Naruto's life not belonging only to Naruto won't have as much impact if it wasn't Hinata who jumped. Plus Neji didn't just die to protect Naruto, he also protected Hinata! It is his duty as part of the branch family.



Again, you showed your ignorance (or lack of memory) here because that's pretty much the nature of Tobi and Naruto relationship even before the war started. Two people who used to have the same ideals yet chose a different path despite experiencing similar horror. If it was not clear enough, Nagato who is in effect a proxy of Obito also had similar clash of beliefs with Naruto. This thing has been foreshadowed since a long time ago.