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Apr 3, 2014 5:06 PM
#1
I just wanna know what is considered good art cause the ratings i give seem to contradict those on reviews etc. Character designs? Background? realistic? movements? brightness? Why are some animes with outmoded art animation 1980-2005 given a 7-9/10 while those aired in 2014 have significantly lower art ratings, when they imo have more appealing characters better cg. I'm asking which one of the 5(or others i haven't mentioned) factors is the most significant for a good art rating, not my preferences. btw some of you guys say that art is the least important factor when judging an anime, and doing so is being superficial, in a typical romance anime, i don't think anyone would feel passion/affection to a hideous poorly drawn *********. one at least need some decent looks to be attractive(majority), regardless of how good one is one the inside. |
supreme-kserApr 4, 2014 10:47 PM
Apr 3, 2014 5:09 PM
#2
Art is subjective, there is no overall good...it all boils down to personal preference. |
Apr 3, 2014 5:10 PM
#3
Agreed, Aku no Hana's art is an example of a modern day Mona Lisa. Although modern art is often criticized for not being individualized enough and having cookie cutter character designs (gem eyes, dot nose, cute "c" mouth, etc). |
Apr 3, 2014 5:18 PM
#4
A lot of people wouldn't rate animation based on standards that didn't exist during the time of its production. And I have to agree to a large extent that it would be stupid to criticize a 90s series for using cel-based animation instead of digital when the standard wasn't even there back then to do it that way in the first place. |
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Apr 3, 2014 5:22 PM
#6
In theory, good art is something that breaks the mold, does something none that have come before it have done. I'd say Vagabond or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are great examples of this if we're talking about Manga. However, in practice, due to the subjectivity of the term "good" and the general appeal of the public, good art is typically categorized by flashy animation sequences and colors, pencil thin necks and proportions aswell as high resolution. |
Apr 3, 2014 5:23 PM
#7
Ratohnhaketon said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJz2WB3dF10Agreed, Aku no Hana's art is an example of a modern day Mona Lisa. |
Apr 3, 2014 5:25 PM
#9
When it's not Aku no Hana's anime art, it's anti-2D as it's pig disgusting. Eiken's art is terrible as well. |
Apr 3, 2014 5:33 PM
#10
MEanimaniac1 said: Art is subjective, there is no overall good...it all boils down to personal preference. Pretty much anything that makes me say "whoa" |
Apr 3, 2014 5:34 PM
#11
Whatever fits the story that is being told. Character designs and backgrounds being memorable are important. Realism doesn't even factor in. |
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Apr 3, 2014 5:41 PM
#12
MEanimaniac1 said: Art is subjective, there is no overall good Just because people disagree doesn't mean it's subjective, it means some people are right and some are wrong |
Apr 3, 2014 5:43 PM
#13
For me it's realistic looking character designs: Perfect Blue http://youtu.be/V0Rj7nn0ZVs and bright colorful backgrounds : Tatami Galaxy |
Apr 3, 2014 5:57 PM
#15
YorozuyaGinSan said: In theory, good art is something that breaks the mold, does something none that have come before it have done. I'd say Vagabond or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are great examples of this if we're talking about Manga. However, in practice, due to the subjectivity of the term "good" and the general appeal of the public, good art is typically categorized by flashy animation sequences and colors, pencil thin necks and proportions aswell as high resolution. Good art for anime in terms of breaking the mold would be Kaiba, Kuuchuu-Buranko, and Belladonna of sadness. |
Apr 3, 2014 5:59 PM
#16
here is a reference original trigun: bad art trigun badlands rumble movie: great art |
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Apr 3, 2014 6:00 PM
#17
Personally, I find 5 Centimeters Per Second's art to be fantastic. |
Apr 3, 2014 6:10 PM
#18
supreme-kser said: i think it's cute when someone creates an art discussion and one of the first things mentioned is 'realism.' who exactly propagated the myth that something must be trying to be realistic to be good art (or even art at all)?I just wanna know what is considered good art cause the ratings i give seem to contradict those on reviews etc. Character designs? Background? realistic? movements? brightness? Why are some animes with outmoded art animation 1980-2005 given a 7-9/10 while those aired in 2014 have significantly lower art ratings, when they imo have more appealing characters better cg. |
Apr 3, 2014 6:12 PM
#19
Heredity said: supreme-kser said: i think it's cute when someone creates an art discussion and one of the first things mentioned is 'realism.' who exactly propagated the myth that something must be trying to be realistic to be good art (or even art at all)?I just wanna know what is considered good art cause the ratings i give seem to contradict those on reviews etc. Character designs? Background? realistic? movements? brightness? Why are some animes with outmoded art animation 1980-2005 given a 7-9/10 while those aired in 2014 have significantly lower art ratings, when they imo have more appealing characters better cg. mimetic theory of art, it's not a very good theory |
Apr 3, 2014 6:18 PM
#20
Heredity said: supreme-kser said: i think it's cute when someone creates an art discussion and one of the first things mentioned is 'realism.' who exactly propagated the myth that something must be trying to be realistic to be good art (or even art at all)?I just wanna know what is considered good art cause the ratings i give seem to contradict those on reviews etc. Character designs? Background? realistic? movements? brightness? Why are some animes with outmoded art animation 1980-2005 given a 7-9/10 while those aired in 2014 have significantly lower art ratings, when they imo have more appealing characters better cg. If you want realism then why watch cartoons lol? Seriously one has to consider the objective of the anime before you can truly judge the art. That said its generally a plus IMO if the artbstands out. Being detailed is good but being simple and cartoons can work to an advantage. |
Apr 3, 2014 7:16 PM
#21
Realistic arts can be found in BG. Even moeblobs anime like Super Sonico or crazy ones like Manyuu Hikenchou have some pretty good BG arts. Thanks to some fans dedicated in screen-capping them. |
Apr 3, 2014 7:22 PM
#22
BlackSabotage said: then we're all in agreeance that aku no hana was excellent? yes, ok. done and done.Heredity said: supreme-kser said: i think it's cute when someone creates an art discussion and one of the first things mentioned is 'realism.' who exactly propagated the myth that something must be trying to be realistic to be good art (or even art at all)?I just wanna know what is considered good art cause the ratings i give seem to contradict those on reviews etc. Character designs? Background? realistic? movements? brightness? Why are some animes with outmoded art animation 1980-2005 given a 7-9/10 while those aired in 2014 have significantly lower art ratings, when they imo have more appealing characters better cg. If you want realism then why watch cartoons lol? Seriously one has to consider the objective of the anime before you can truly judge the art. That said its generally a plus IMO if the artbstands out. Being detailed is good but being simple and cartoons can work to an advantage. i actually liked the flawed live traced rotoscoping of aku no hana, i thought it fit the intended mood perfectly. an 'ugly' (not 'bad' ugly, but ugly ugly) story with 'ugly' visuals. |
Apr 3, 2014 7:24 PM
#23
Anything made after the year 20**, where ** = (year a particular fan got into anime) -2 +/-2. |
Apr 3, 2014 7:24 PM
#24
Heredity said: BlackSabotage said: then we're all in agreeance that aku no hana was excellent? yes, ok. done and done.Heredity said: supreme-kser said: i think it's cute when someone creates an art discussion and one of the first things mentioned is 'realism.' who exactly propagated the myth that something must be trying to be realistic to be good art (or even art at all)?I just wanna know what is considered good art cause the ratings i give seem to contradict those on reviews etc. Character designs? Background? realistic? movements? brightness? Why are some animes with outmoded art animation 1980-2005 given a 7-9/10 while those aired in 2014 have significantly lower art ratings, when they imo have more appealing characters better cg. If you want realism then why watch cartoons lol? Seriously one has to consider the objective of the anime before you can truly judge the art. That said its generally a plus IMO if the artbstands out. Being detailed is good but being simple and cartoons can work to an advantage. i actually liked the flawed live traced rotoscoping of aku no hana, i thought it fit the intended mood perfectly. an 'ugly' (not 'bad' ugly, but ugly ugly) story with 'ugly' visuals. What annoys me is the amount of people who as some rotoscoping generally looks that bad. |
Apr 3, 2014 7:25 PM
#25
BlackSabotage said: i'd just tell people that think such a thing to go and watch heavy metal.What annoys me is the amount of people who as some rotoscoping generally looks that bad. |
Apr 3, 2014 7:28 PM
#26
When it comes to visual novels im 100 percent behind calling anything that manages to be 720p good art. |
Apr 3, 2014 7:29 PM
#27
Heredity said: BlackSabotage said: i'd just tell people that think such a thing to go and watch heavy metal.What annoys me is the amount of people who as some rotoscoping generally looks that bad. I was thinking American pop but that ones good too. |
Apr 3, 2014 8:53 PM
#28
BlackSabotage said: Add Gankutsuou to that list! I actually just recommended someone Kuuchu Buranko today, completely agree.YorozuyaGinSan said: In theory, good art is something that breaks the mold, does something none that have come before it have done. I'd say Vagabond or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are great examples of this if we're talking about Manga. However, in practice, due to the subjectivity of the term "good" and the general appeal of the public, good art is typically categorized by flashy animation sequences and colors, pencil thin necks and proportions aswell as high resolution. Good art for anime in terms of breaking the mold would be Kaiba, Kuuchuu-Buranko, and Belladonna of sadness. |
Apr 3, 2014 9:08 PM
#29
As long as the art is not as shitty as logh, then it's fine. |
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Apr 3, 2014 9:10 PM
#30
Ghost001 said: Jest, you surely?As long as the art is not as shitty as logh, then it's fine. |
Apr 3, 2014 9:16 PM
#31
YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Jest, you surely?As long as the art is not as shitty as logh, then it's fine. Oh, I forgot. Jojo also sucks as well. Thnx for the reminder. |
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Apr 3, 2014 9:17 PM
#32
Ghost001 said: You're welcome, but is that all you wanted to say? YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Jest, you surely?As long as the art is not as shitty as logh, then it's fine. Oh, I forgot. Jojo also sucks as well. Thnx for the reminder. I mean, you can't tell me the only reason you posted in this topic was to slander Legend of the Galactic Heroes. |
Apr 3, 2014 9:18 PM
#33
YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: You're welcome, but is that all you wanted to say? YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Jest, you surely?As long as the art is not as shitty as logh, then it's fine. Oh, I forgot. Jojo also sucks as well. Thnx for the reminder. I mean, you can't tell me the only reason you posted in this topic was to slander Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Yep, that's the worst anime quality/art quality I could think of. |
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Apr 3, 2014 9:20 PM
#34
Apr 3, 2014 9:22 PM
#35
Ghost001 said: Really? Well, I guess to each his own. Art has never been Legend of the Galactic Heroes' strongsuit.YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: You're welcome, but is that all you wanted to say? YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Jest, you surely?As long as the art is not as shitty as logh, then it's fine. Oh, I forgot. Jojo also sucks as well. Thnx for the reminder. I mean, you can't tell me the only reason you posted in this topic was to slander Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Yep, that's the worst anime quality/art quality I could think of. But do you mean to tell me it's even worse than the art of Hanoka or Skelter Heaven? Not even Mars of Destruction? Well, ok then. |
Apr 3, 2014 9:28 PM
#36
YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Really? Well, I guess to each his own. Art has never been Legend of the Galactic Heroes' strongsuit.YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: You're welcome, but is that all you wanted to say? YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Jest, you surely?As long as the art is not as shitty as logh, then it's fine. Oh, I forgot. Jojo also sucks as well. Thnx for the reminder. I mean, you can't tell me the only reason you posted in this topic was to slander Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Yep, that's the worst anime quality/art quality I could think of. But do you mean to tell me it's even worse than the art of Hanoka or Skelter Heaven? Not even Mars of Destruction? Well, ok then. I don't know, since I haven't watch those as of yet. But of all the anime I have watch up to date, logh has the worst art style quality. I only watch 3 minutes of the series and had to stop. That's why it's not on my dropped list, because I haven't even watched 1 full episode of that series yet. Waiting on the remake version. They say it's like code geass, I wasn't really fun of that series. So it probably wont be that good any ways... |
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Apr 3, 2014 9:40 PM
#37
Art varies heavily according to each person's tastes. What's appealing to me may be appalling to another person. Let your soul guide your feelings when it comes to art |
Apr 3, 2014 9:42 PM
#38
Apr 3, 2014 9:49 PM
#39
Garden of Words. That's good art/animation, for me anyways. |
Apr 3, 2014 10:09 PM
#40
Taking a different direction in art is a good thing MOST of the time. Like with Last Exile sober and grounded art style, or Needless' over the top character designs and animation(that OP gets me everytime lol) |
Apr 3, 2014 10:13 PM
#41
Art I like. |
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Apr 3, 2014 10:23 PM
#42
You tell me. |
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Apr 3, 2014 10:40 PM
#43
gamer2710 said: You tell me. IntroverTurtle said: Art I like. |
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Apr 3, 2014 10:45 PM
#44
Why are some animes with outmoded art animation 1980-2005 given a 7-9/10 while those aired in 2014 have significantly lower art ratings, when they imo have more appealing characters better cg. Because art/animation aren't everything? I'm honestly enjoying a 1993 soccer anime over a 2003 soccer anime even if the art qualities are completely different. It's how you present the story, characters and world. |
Apr 3, 2014 10:48 PM
#45
YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Really? Well, I guess to each his own. Art has never been Legend of the Galactic Heroes' strongsuit.YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: You're welcome, but is that all you wanted to say? YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Jest, you surely?As long as the art is not as shitty as logh, then it's fine. Oh, I forgot. Jojo also sucks as well. Thnx for the reminder. I mean, you can't tell me the only reason you posted in this topic was to slander Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Yep, that's the worst anime quality/art quality I could think of. But do you mean to tell me it's even worse than the art of Hanoka or Skelter Heaven? Not even Mars of Destruction? Well, ok then. Actually, I think the art of LoGH is good. What's bad is the animation, and that's understandable since the anime is very old. Anyway, lol at this Ghost001. |
Apr 3, 2014 10:58 PM
#46
Rashkolnikov said: YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Really? Well, I guess to each his own. Art has never been Legend of the Galactic Heroes' strongsuit.YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: You're welcome, but is that all you wanted to say? YorozuyaGinSan said: Ghost001 said: Jest, you surely?As long as the art is not as shitty as logh, then it's fine. Oh, I forgot. Jojo also sucks as well. Thnx for the reminder. I mean, you can't tell me the only reason you posted in this topic was to slander Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Yep, that's the worst anime quality/art quality I could think of. But do you mean to tell me it's even worse than the art of Hanoka or Skelter Heaven? Not even Mars of Destruction? Well, ok then. Actually, I think the art of LoGH is good. What's bad is the animation, and that's understandable since the anime is very old. Anyway, lol at this Ghost001. Yea, lol at some ones opinion. I know logh art sucks!! Take that snake!! |
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Apr 3, 2014 11:30 PM
#47
IntroverTurtle said: One Piece art.gamer2710 said: You tell me. IntroverTurtle said: Art I like. |
Apr 4, 2014 3:39 AM
#48
>Character designs? you like the designs + memorable/iconic character designs = good art >Background? you like the setting + high budget backgrounds with a lot of work put into them = good art >realistic? realism and good art are not related, but it might be to some people >movements? good animation = good art >brightness? brightness and good art are not related, but it might be to some people >Why are some animes with outmoded art animation 1980-2005 given a 7-9/10 while those aired in 2014 have significantly lower art ratings, when they imo have more appealing characters better cg. anime from 1980-2005 was targeted to 1980-2005 audience; anime from 2014 is targeted to 2014 audience; people who watched the 1980-2005 anime when they were still recent got the best experience out of those anime; in 10 years you will be the same probably |
romagiaApr 4, 2014 3:44 AM
Apr 4, 2014 3:56 AM
#49
Art is the last thing I think of during judging the quality of anime. Discarding an anime because of 'bad' art is like judging a book by its cover. |
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Apr 4, 2014 4:00 AM
#50
What you consider good art may be considered bad art by anyone else. It's subjective. I personally don't really have a fixed 'good' art. |
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