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| Everything went by at the speed of light...the explanation was nicely done (really really quick) but they didn't even bother to explain some little details like where the glass ball was even found, or how it was obtained? I guess it doesn't really matter...? The way the class trial was displayed really did resemble some sort of a game, especially with the bullets he had that he'd shoot at people when they said a false statement which I found highly amusing. I expected Kirigi to solve most of the mysteries and be the one the basically lead the investigation and debate since she's an extraordinary detective, but Naegi was really active and participated a lot. I guess I didn't expect that since he...doesn't seem like that kind of a character however I suppose he was desperately trying to save the lives of everyone (and his own life) so he had to do no matter what to prove his innocence. Overall, I didn't exactly like how strange and awkward the game effects made the debate seem, but it's understandable how quickly it had to go. The execution was...horrible lol that's the only way I can describe it. I mean, I'm not a game player and even after not apparently seeing everything since it was censored, I was freaking out! God, what a horrible way to die I almost felt as bad for Leon as Naegi did because he basically did send him to his death by finding the culprit. I took a little bit of that guilt because I also suspected it was him...T____T It was really hard to watch. kurosaki_kabuto said: But what I really wanted to ask was about what the mystery girl said at the end. She said the idol wrote the name of the culprit to save the mc, but that doesn't make sense does it? I mean they didn't know there was going to be a judgement, a trial, or however you want to call it. What was she saving him from? The only possibility I see here is perhaps to save him from discrimination from the others but that in itself feels like too complex of a thought to have on one's deathbed especially before such a tragic death. Maizono didn't have to write Leon's name using her own blood, but Kirigi was suggesting how she might of thought of Naegi in her last moments and wrote it down to help everyone succeed in choosing the correct culprit so that they wouldn't all be executed. You see, because if you choose the incorrect culprit, everyone dies and the culprit graduates so she said that Maizono must have considered this and that was her reason for writing that death message. She "saved" him from being accused of, and wrote that message to save his life. |
kurosaki_kabuto said: But what I really wanted to ask was about what the mystery girl said at the end. She said the idol wrote the name of the culprit to save the mc, but that doesn't make sense does it? I mean they didn't know there was going to be a judgement, a trial, or however you want to call it. What was she saving him from? The only possibility I see here is perhaps to save him from discrimination from the others but that in itself feels like too complex of a thought to have on one's deathbed especially before such a tragic death. You're probably right about the idol's motive. She might have been smart enough to read AND GET AWAY WITH IT in the student handbook concerning murder, kinda seemed a ditz to me but she was planning on pinning a murder on Naigi so it's possible she made the mental leap and figured out that getting caught was BAD and wanted to protect Naigi. It's more likely that the dying message was about revenge beyond the grave. I imagine what was explained to him was the easiest answer for him to take and gave the bonus that it encouraged him and pulled him out of a dangerous state of mind. It was pretty clear that Naigi had a crush on the idol and finding out she was a cold bitch that tried to frame him ON TOP OF finding her bloody corpse, AND just having to save himself from being fingered framed as the murderer put him pretty close to having a psychotic break. At that point, truth did not matter, saving the sanity of the guy that was smart enough to figure out the plot and defend himself did. |
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EarlCiel said: but they didn't even bother to explain some little details like where the glass ball was even found, or how it was obtained? I guess it doesn't really matter...?. Yeah, just like you said, it doesn't really matter much. The anime is way more subtle and "widespread" on the evidence. |
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| Loved it, though I was hoping for an actual "Execution scene" not a game one and it being censored at that. |
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| I actually CRIED when Naegi was talking about Maizono... And its really cute that he inherited Maizono's habit of saying "I'm an esper" I thought the part about Leon's breakdown was adapted AMAZINGLY, AHOAHOAHOAHOAHAOHAOHAOHAOHAOHAO laughed like a bitch! The execution however... Was ripped STRAIGHT from the game, what the hell? |
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VanishingKira said: Turns out Leon was the culprit & he got killed.What a horrible death he got,being pleated with baseballs to death. it is cool right? XD what make me little dissapointed is I can see any blood on the scene :p |
| Touching a different topic: Did anyone else get Naegi's answer to Kirigiri's last question translated as "senses"? (end of episode) It would have been more fitting for him to have said "lucky guess", right? Or would that just be over kill after the psychic joke? |
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makarov52 said: VanishingKira said: Turns out Leon was the culprit & he got killed.What a horrible death he got,being pleated with baseballs to death. it is cool right? XD what make me little dissapointed is I can see any blood on the scene :p You would've only saw Pink goo if anything. But it really is kind of ironic, I wonder if Naegi is executed, what would he be killed with? Maybe he would've been just let go so he can die from "bad luck", then get a harem full of girls from the magic and science sides of the world... Never mind. |
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Reload said: Touching a different topic: Did anyone else get Naegi's answer to Kirigiri's last question translated as "senses"? (end of episode) It would have been more fitting for him to have said "lucky guess", right? Or would that just be over kill after the psychic joke? are you downloading this or streaming this? What sub group? |
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GodlyKyon said: Reload said: Touching a different topic: Did anyone else get Naegi's answer to Kirigiri's last question translated as "senses"? (end of episode) It would have been more fitting for him to have said "lucky guess", right? Or would that just be over kill after the psychic joke? are you downloading this or streaming this? What sub group? Streaming (AnimePlus I beleive). I noticed one comment said "mind read" & "intuition", but I still think that was the perfect moment to use of the word "luck". |
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Reload said: GodlyKyon said: Reload said: Touching a different topic: Did anyone else get Naegi's answer to Kirigiri's last question translated as "senses"? (end of episode) It would have been more fitting for him to have said "lucky guess", right? Or would that just be over kill after the psychic joke? are you downloading this or streaming this? What sub group? Streaming (AnimePlus I beleive). I noticed one comment said "mind read" & "intuition", but I still think that was the perfect moment to use of the word "luck". He didn't say that as far as I am aware... He said "I just had a feeling", which was Maizono's catchphrase. |
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GodlyKyon said: He didn't say that as far as I am aware... He said "I just had a feeling", which was Maizono's catchphrase. If it's a catch phrase, then I can't complain. It'd be a bit weird for a lucky guy to call themselves lucky all the time. The ability to solve a case can't be considered luck. |
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| Acceptable episode, but there's no way they're going to be able to adequately fit the entire game into 13 episodes. It's just not possible, and I fear it's going to end up suffering because of it. |
| they did a surprisingly nice job of adapting the game elements into the anime. also, was the Kutawa or was it just my video? |
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Samhiuy said: It is not ripped straight from the game. Observe closely, the color and details are different. The animation is more fluid and the most obvious part that changed is when Leon's pupil decrease in size as the balls hit him in the face. The similarities far outweigh the differences, though. But on another point, people are complaining about it being ripped off just now? You'd think they would already get the idea from the execution segment from the first episode. |
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Samhiuy said: GodlyKyon said: I actually CRIED when Naegi was talking about Maizono... And its really cute that he inherited Maizono's habit of saying "I'm an esper" I thought the part about Leon's breakdown was adapted AMAZINGLY, AHOAHOAHOAHOAHAOHAOHAOHAOHAOHAO laughed like a bitch! The execution however... Was ripped STRAIGHT from the game, what the hell? It is not ripped straight from the game. Observe closely, the color and details are different. The animation is more fluid and the most obvious part that changed is when Leon's pupil decrease in size as the balls hit him in the face. Oh... Its traced? Looked way too similar to me. Reload said: GodlyKyon said: He didn't say that as far as I am aware... He said "I just had a feeling", which was Maizono's catchphrase. If it's a catch phrase, then I can't complain. It'd be a bit weird for a lucky guy to call themselves lucky all the time. The ability to solve a case can't be considered luck. Wait, I forgot, but didn't Maizono say that in the Anime also? Anyways, I half expeted the "cornered" music to start playing when Leon was breaking down. |
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GodlyKyon said: Oh... Its traced? Looked way too similar to me.. You can call it that, but they definitely drawn and animated that scene properly, rather than just copy pasting the scene from the game. Put them side-side they look and move slightly different |
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kaimax said: GodlyKyon said: Oh... Its traced? Looked way too similar to me.. You can call it that, but they definitely drawn and animated that scene properly, rather than just copy pasting the scene from the game. Put them side-side they look and move slightly different I would've rather they added talking to the scene, and make it not that familiar. for example: Leon "What... What is this!?? AHHHHH!!!!!!!" |
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NorseFTX said: Reifel said: fuck how they killed Leon. It was abnormal, stupid and disgusting I agree. Monobear is a twisted and sick jackass. So it turns out that wall writing really was the name of the killer. I thought it'd be too obvious to have the killer's name spelled out like that, but the crystal ball shattered by the incinerator makes sense with his skill as a baseball player. XP I swear, Togami was Super Duper High School level suspicious, but I guess he's just a prick by default. After seeing this execution, I wouldn't think anyone else would be willing to dare to go through with the whole killing thing anymore. =X The writing was on the wall! |
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Reifel said: the investigation was okay, but.. fuck how they killed Leon. It was abnormal, stupid and disgusting people, why do you like this shitty show? damn, it is 3/10 You're disgusted by Leon's execution and rate the show a 3/10 because of it. But you have Shingeki no Kyojin in your favorites. Absolutely hilarious. Nothing in Danganronpa has, or ever will (OMG SPOILERS) come close to the brutality and abnormality that you see in Shingeki no Kyojin. Suddenly reminded of why I usually stay out of episode discussions. |
| this show is great, my favorite character is Kirigiri, and she seems to be being nice to Naegi, but I just have a feeling that she will end up betraying him, but i'd rather her escape than Naegi anyway lol she just seems really clever |
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| I've been playing the game and can guarantee this is a shit adaptation. It cut out lots of investigation steps, characterization and even important information. They censored the death scene too. |
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Litrydow said: I've been playing the game and can guarantee this is a shit adaptation. It cut out lots of investigation steps, characterization and even important information. They censored the death scene too. Its decent adaptation for the length given to it. But really, games and Anime aare just that different. Games let you step into the character and select choices, that's why most games end up as failed adaptations |
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Litrydow said: Stop using this as a con to the anime adaptation, thats a TV censor and a blatently obvious one too, that has nothing to do with the adaptation just japan's weird censoring lawsThey censored the death scene too. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Oh look another one with the shitty adaptation complaint, without understanding the whole shit of adaptation . The anime is not a copy of the game, it's job as an adaptation is to make people interested on buying the game. And they're doing a great job of doing it, by using the same art direction and actually manage to set up chapter 1 in just 2 episodes without leaving any plot holes. |
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kaimax said: The anime is not a copy of the game It is. kaimax said: it's job as an adaptation is to make people interested on buying the game. And that's bullshit. This should be fanservice for people who already played the game, not a glorified commercial. |
| The Class Trial was better than I expected (based on first two episodes; I didn't not play the game). The execution just blew my mind. The animation of it was awesome. |
| Uhm, there is something that I still don't understand, how Leon got his hands on that guy's crystal ball? I guess he took it somewhere, but if this anime is about mysterious murders, they should have explained this perfectly all along. Anyway, nice episode. I'm not playing the game but I've read that they took the execution video from that. I kinda appreciate it, honestly. Also, Kirigiri best girl so far. |
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Akanezora said: Uhm, there is something that I still don't understand, how Leon got his hands on that guy's crystal ball? I guess he took it somewhere, but if this anime is about mysterious murders, they should have explained this perfectly all along. He left it in the laundry room. Leon found it when he was trying to wash the blood off his shirt. The anime leaves this out for some reason. |
Mittee said: Akanezora said: Uhm, there is something that I still don't understand, how Leon got his hands on that guy's crystal ball? I guess he took it somewhere, but if this anime is about mysterious murders, they should have explained this perfectly all along. He left it in the laundry room. Leon found it when he was trying to wash the blood off his shirt. The anime leaves this out for some reason. Time limits im guessing Mittee said: kaimax said: The anime is not a copy of the game It is. kaimax said: it's job as an adaptation is to make people interested on buying the game. And that's bullshit. This should be fanservice for people who already played the game, not a glorified commercial. Then the only people watching it would be the game players... If it was good, it should have been good to stand alone and attract more customers |
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| Adding my opinion in kinda late, but I would've been totally okay with them taking out the Climax Inference comic strips and instead actually animating how the murder happened. Then again, I guess Kirigiri's reasoning at the end would have been pointless since you would've been able to see how Maizono acted when she tried to murder Leon. The whole point of Danganronpa is (potential spoiler?) about having hope in things you cannot see. (end of potential spoiler spoiler) But still, I would've loved to see animated murder scenes. ;_; Also, damn censorship. I was already putting up with pink blood for the second time, but now I don't even get to see Leon get basically stoned to death with baseballs? FWIW I think pink blood had its own charm in the game; I was just hoping the anime would be a bit more gruesome this time around. And going back to the golden sword sheath/wooden sword, it annoys me how they changed from the game that (video game spoiler) Maizono suggests to Naegi that he should take it for self-defense and to Monobear just having it placed there in the first place. (end of video game spoiler) It's small but it adds suspicion to Maizono. Then again I kind of enjoy how it rushed her murder, I'm sure it caught the audience off guard more than it did the video game audience I'm sure. I liked her, but even I saw it coming. :/ PS: No credits picture with Leon in it this time? Hopefully next episode we'll see Leon joining Maizono, Junko, and Naegi in the photograph of the students. |
| This anime has presented us (by that I mean the people who played the name mainly) with a bit of a predicament. On one hand, I want it to stay true to the game so that people who haven't seen it can become interested. On the other, I want a new dimension and experience to the series that I didn't get from the game. Unfortunately, I don't think the animated series has done either side justice. At the times the anime follows the game, it is when the anime becomes the most stagnant. The characters are defaulted to their generic poses from the game, having the same minimal movement, same cutscenes (they are remastered but clearly no-one bothered to story board anything) I'm playing the game, but in a way where I'm just watching a slightly more animated version of it and not actually getting fully immersed in said game. In this sense, I would definitely recommend playing the game instead. There's a lot more wiggle room, so the series isn't rushed. More evidence presented to make the cases more coherent. There is a bit more random crap, the LP I read liked to talk to everyone any chance he got so there's that. But this also allows for more opportunities to get the know the characters and get more attached to them. Which is important n a series where a lot of people die. if the deaths don't have an impact then the series isn't doing it right. I would really just pin the problems of the adaptation in the extreme lack of original story boarding coming from the animators. If I'm just gonna watch everyone standing in their default poses with their mouths actually moving then I don't think this anime is worth finishing. |
Mittee said: Akanezora said: Uhm, there is something that I still don't understand, how Leon got his hands on that guy's crystal ball? I guess he took it somewhere, but if this anime is about mysterious murders, they should have explained this perfectly all along. He left it in the laundry room. Leon found it when he was trying to wash the blood off his shirt. The anime leaves this out for some reason. Oh! I see, thanks for the info. |
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| God thanks, I don't know the game. It seems like a lot of people are in rage about the adaption but for me it's a cool show :) |
Mittee said: kaimax said: it's job as an adaptation is to make people interested on buying the game. And that's bullshit. This should be fanservice for people who already played the game, not a glorified commercial. Welcome to Marketing 101. The players already played the game, why do I have to spend 13 weeks rewatching the exact same thing, which is also impossible to do with the cost of production, limited budget and time constraint . If I want to see the same thing I rather replay the game all over again. It's already common knowledge that adaptations are never better that their source. |
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kaimax said: Mittee said: kaimax said: it's job as an adaptation is to make people interested on buying the game. And that's bullshit. This should be fanservice for people who already played the game, not a glorified commercial. Welcome to Marketing 101. The players already played the game, why do I have to spend 13 weeks rewatching the exact same thing, which is also impossible to do with the cost of production, limited budget and time constraint . If I want to see the same thing I rather replay the game all over again. It's already common knowledge that adaptations are never better that their source. It's also common knowledge that saying adaptions are never better than their source is absolute bullshit. |
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ihateeveryone said: It's also common knowledge that saying adaptions are never better than their source is absolute bullshit. Nope. There are only 2 kinds of adaptations -Adaptation is as good as the Original -Adaptation isn't as good as the Original There's no actual "Adaptation is better than", because trying to match up to the source is already very costly for the entire production, the best that they can do is make it as close as possible and be very careful on what they choose to alter for the adaptation. With time constraints, a tight budget, and the production cost in factor once again I say, There's no way an adaptation can be better than the original source with that kind of limitations. The question is how do you make something better without the risk of being unfaithful to original source. Unless you can prove how, my words are not bullshit. http://www.ehow.com/facts_5478636_define-adaptation.html |
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| Don't know the game but I like the anime & I'm glade that they censored the execution I really didn't wanted to see it. |
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| Pretty much what i expected from Maizono.. I agree it's pretty lame to use the same animation as the game, i would be pretty disappointed if i was a fan of the game too.. |
| Brutal death, seriously! I would have never guessed it was Leon though, wow. |
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kaimax said: Mittee said: kaimax said: it's job as an adaptation is to make people interested on buying the game. And that's bullshit. This should be fanservice for people who already played the game, not a glorified commercial. Welcome to Marketing 101. The players already played the game, why do I have to spend 13 weeks rewatching the exact same thing, which is also impossible to do with the cost of production, limited budget and time constraint . If I want to see the same thing I rather replay the game all over again. It's already common knowledge that adaptations are never better that their source. Except if they actually put some effort in, it wouldn't be the exact same thing. Remember that the game uses static 2D assets. Every character is basically a cardboard cutout. This is a chance to see these characters moving and interacting in a way we haven't seen before. I still say the manga panels should have been fully animated. Seeing Maizono and Leon's fight brought to life using that art style would have made this episode for me. There was also none of the awesome camera work that made the trials in the game so gorgeous to look at. Instead, we get panning over barley animated talking heads for 24 minutes. I seriously hope this is just because they're saving the budget for the later, more important trials. Case 2 is my favourite so I'm really anxious to see how they handle it. |
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