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Dec 13, 2007 12:45 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Baaaah.

Too bad this shows needs years of back-story. lol. Interesting though I guess... I saw the "Director's Cut" version too, not sure what difference that makes though? It's like, 5 min longer :P
Jun 12, 2008 9:27 PM
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Only saw the director's cut version...

But this was one heck of an ep, the amount of explanations in that ep...
urghh..

<3
Aug 1, 2008 12:30 AM
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Saw the director's cut too. It was a nice backstory that was needed. Lots of things were explained regarding the past. Looks like Asuka gets to go crazy next episode.
Aug 22, 2008 10:37 AM
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^same thing.

finally, we get to see asuka again though, also... poor kaji D=
Sep 2, 2008 6:49 AM
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So much background story... Makes my head ache. I wonder if I should stop my marathon now.

That whole underground was excatavated? Meaning that somebody else has built it? When?!?!?
Oct 22, 2008 5:01 AM
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Director's cut ftw.

Gawd, that was a lot to take in O_O
Nov 25, 2008 9:12 PM
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That was a lot of information in such a short amount of time. I now understand more of what this series is about. Asuka is so gonna rage next episode ;-;
Dec 3, 2008 1:21 PM
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much needed info, really good episode.
"Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that"
Jan 7, 2009 12:22 AM
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Very loaded episode, quite a bit of information.

Explained a whole lot though, and down goes Kaji.

Feb 3, 2009 7:45 PM

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INFORMATION OVERDOSE!!!! Gah, I'm not going to be able to do homwork for days after taking that in.
Apr 6, 2009 11:18 PM

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So much to read and understand. :{
Jun 27, 2009 7:05 AM

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Sure Rei was a bitch when she was young :D
We learned so much in this episode but why this late ? We're near the end and a lot of episode was randomly angel fighting, it could have been used for flash back.
I found there were too much Angel fighting episode ...
Jul 24, 2009 10:09 AM

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If I just had any idea what the hell was going on.
if we die we'll meet again in valhalla...
Jul 27, 2009 4:24 PM

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So, did Kaji die then? Kinda ambiguous, but the sound of a gun going off almost seals it.
Jul 29, 2009 10:14 AM

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That was really something.
DaBigD said:
So much background story... Makes my head ache. I wonder if I should stop my marathon now.

This.
But I keep watching, next episode seems promising. Now Asuka goes crazy? berserk? Or both?
Dec 29, 2009 10:03 PM
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I saw the "Director's Cut" and even still would like more information. What info was given was an insane amount, but even so it still feels like so many things are left unanswered, at least for now.
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Jan 8, 2010 11:26 AM
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Great to see the explanation of Nerv and its plans.

But... What happened in that scene? Did Akagi kill Rei? If so, who is the current Rei?
O.o
Jan 11, 2010 6:38 AM
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But... What happened in that scene? Did Akagi kill Rei? If so, who is the current Rei?
O.o


My guess is she's a clone. Early in the episode I was thinking "Rei looks a lot like her mother".
Jun 25, 2010 3:43 PM

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So I guess if Rei is a clone and she was killed... There's multiple clones. No wonder things get so awkward between her and Shinji lol!!!

People told me the dub was bad. But so far its actually ok... Well the scene at the start with the giant 2001 space odyssey monuments had terrible voice acting... To the point were it sounded like those scenes in Futurama when the take the piss out of old sci-fi stuff.
Jul 25, 2010 3:14 PM

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Great this that there was an explanation, a lot of things became a bit more clear~ Poor Kaji~
Jul 29, 2010 12:25 AM

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good episode with late explanations..

clone-rei hmm i've never thought about it but it makes sense now thx:D

feel so sorry for Misato:(
Aug 25, 2010 3:53 PM

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Explanations? Facts? Heck I didn't even get what was going on. They shoved all those information in my head in one single episode. I couldn't keep up. Sorry I'm a retard.

Things that I understood, I think.
1. Rei is a clone made by Ikari Gendo.
2. Organizations within organizations. Lol seriously though I didn't get who's working for who anymore. They mentioned a lot of organizations that I couldn't keep up.
3. Ikari Gendo is a cheating bastard.
4. The creator of Magi, mother of the yellow-haired girl, probably got killed and put her brain inside Magi. I'm not sure though.
5. The organizations knew about the second impact before it happened. They were making a prototype of ADAM Evangelion, and went wrong thus the second impact.

Seriously, WTF MAN I AM CONFUSED.
Oct 12, 2010 9:03 AM
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Cebola92 said:
Great to see the explanation of Nerv and its plans.

But... What happened in that scene? Did Akagi kill Rei? If so, who is the current Rei?
O.o


Probably a clone as people said. But who killed Akagi? She died, right?

Great episode, lots of info. I guessI didn't get it all (it's almost impossible to) but now I understand a lot more than I did before watching, that's for sure.

So it seems like Kaji died. Too bad. I was starting to like him.

I loved to watch all the character's backstories, it explained a lot about them, especially why they are who they are. Like Ritsuko, I can't seem to understand what can't be understood by logic so I loved to hear her say that.

Also, now I get why people say this show is depressing. I already thought it was but after this episode I think it's really depressing. And I'm sure it's about to get even more.
Nov 19, 2010 2:23 PM

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A much needed info episode, and most of the back stories really make you say "ah, so that's what happened." Rei really is a clone after all, and Gendo Ikari is a sociopathic asshole.

Kaji...that was a really powerful ending scene. This show is really getting depressing now...hope the action picks up soon and there's a happy ending T.T
Dec 14, 2010 11:49 AM

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Quite a lot of information to absorb. I got pretty lost half way through it, too many organizations to keep track of and what people were doing.

This episode should have been expanded over a couple episodes to fully clarify what the hell has been going on this entire time.

I hope Kaji isn't dead...but it's more than likely the case. Can't wait for the next episode.
Feb 12, 2011 11:38 PM

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My mind is full of unprocessed fuck.
Feb 15, 2011 10:02 PM

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Too much to take in @_@
Feb 23, 2011 9:56 PM

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Seemed simple enough for me?
O.o

The predecassor organization of NERV accidentally caused second impact.
They could the Geo front, and decided to use it for their own personal gain.
Shinji's father is a bastard true and true.
Rei is a clone.
Akagi killed the clone. (Necks don't bend like that.) and then committed suicide by jumping from the top of the command center. Probably out of guilt.
Kaji was killed.

And Shinji spent the whole episode listening to music with his Penguin buddy.
May 8, 2011 10:20 PM

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Wow, nice to see how they all started out.
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~
May 23, 2011 4:36 AM
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Lol watching this ep at 4 in the morning wasn't a good idea xD
My brain is too tired for taking in this amount of information!
Aug 9, 2011 4:35 PM

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So the old hag killed Rei. This with sure is connected with the fact that Rei said "I'm replaceable" few eps ago. Just as I thought, Kaji is going to die. This episode was 100% dramatic no matter what angle are you looking at it...
Nov 21, 2011 12:36 PM

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Meritas said:
This episode was 100% dramatic no matter what angle are you looking at it...

Not to me. Guess I'm one hell of a bastard heh.
Nov 24, 2011 10:55 PM

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That was a lot of information packed in that episode. But, it was a well needed back bone story episode that explained quite a few things, and left me with just a few remaining question about Rei. Hopefully, the rest gets cleared up soon. Looking forward to the next!
Jan 18, 2012 6:48 PM

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Freaking love NGE because of episodes like this...the whole series we've felt in the dark about everything. I mean viewers know something is up but can't put a finger on it. Now things begin to come together, genius episode, genius series...
Apr 5, 2012 6:41 AM

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Wow, complete infodump this episode.
Oct 2, 2012 2:18 PM

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I understood most of what has been said earlier, but I still can't tell if it's Mitsuko who killed Kaji. I guess I'm going to find out...

Moonfrost said:

4. The creator of Magi, mother of the yellow-haired girl, probably got killed and put her brain inside Magi. I'm not sure though.


She killed herself after strangling Rei to death and learning she was despised by Ikari.
Dec 10, 2012 9:28 AM

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Saw the directors cut, was quite a good episode lots of back story, but really sad back story actually, I do have a hunch that Rei actually is a clone or some sort of the mother of Shinji, Shinji father as well told us that if he had a girl she would be called Rei. The whole other story of creators and past of them is quite interesting and strengthens the whole anime IMO, but still quite sad especially the ending, I do wonder who actually shot Kaji and well I do think he died this time...

Sad but powerful episode!
Feb 25, 2013 9:41 PM

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Guess I didn't understand a lot of it
Mar 20, 2013 2:56 AM

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yeah a little confused. smoking while during doesnt help, but thats a thing to do while watching anime for me. "old hag" hahaha
Apr 24, 2013 9:49 AM

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nobody noticed at 19:26 of the episode?
Ikari talking about becoming a god and his shadow carrying a cross.
scary! O.õ
May 9, 2013 5:42 PM

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O_O This episode so good for info.

Thought from Episode 21

A lot info was covered. Let's see Vice-Commander's name was revealed Fuyutsuki and he was researching with Gendo or Rokubugo whatever his name was. They told about Yui was also interesting in researching and they formed SEELE and Gehir 2 organisations. SEELE was responsible for "Second Impact" and that Kier Larenzo man. It's not meteor which did it. So Gendo was a beginning strange and not likable man. But he went crazy when Yui died. And started making Human Intsrumentarily Plan.

And looks like SEELE was also researching and that Longinus lance. Fuyutsuki was living in Kioto that time. Is Ikari's plan to make "Third Impact" happen I strongly believe it is. So SEELE use these boards communicating with NERV interesting.

NERV was formed from Gehir. And SEELE remained. Finally saw Ritsuko's mother Akagi. And recap we learn from older episodes like how she invent Magi. But how did she died. What happened to Yui? And why Rei is like scary little girl who words are evil and Akagi got his part of it. Don't actually still understand Yui and Rei's connections. They must have connection. If she was clone when did Ikari made her

And that underground was were ADAM is stored and they were building EVA's so did SEELE built ADAM and had this Kier named guy part of it too. So they made copies of ADAM data and put it in EVA's or something like that.

I wonder who eliminated Kaji. Was it Fuyutsuki or someone else from SEELE.

Best parts: Whole NERV's past
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Some non-spoiler clarifications.

Fuyutsuki is kidnapped by Seele because Seele isn't liking the freedom that Gendo is taking with the plan. So Nerv sends Kaji to save Fuyutsuki to bring him back to Nerv.

When Kaji is killed is because he was working for both Seele and Nerv, but with that last action (freeing Fuyutsuki) Seele decided to get rid of him.

So what you see right now is a split between Seele's plan and what Nerv and Gendo are doing. Gendo was originally in charge of Seele's operations, but now he's following his own agenda since he's got the key elements (Adam and the Evas).

Right now there's Seele on one side, and Nerv and Gendo on the other.
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This is a sad episode. Misato cried, Kaji died.
At least we all know the past. Gendo Ikari changed when his wife "vanished" thus abandoning Shinji.
Jun 30, 2013 12:09 AM

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Seemed simple enough for me?
O.o

The predecassor organization of NERV accidentally caused second impact.
They could the Geo front, and decided to use it for their own personal gain.
Shinji's father is a bastard true and true.
Rei is a clone.
Akagi killed the clone. (Necks don't bend like that.) and then committed suicide by jumping from the top of the command center. Probably out of guilt.
Kaji was killed.

And Shinji spent the whole episode listening to music with his Penguin buddy.


Thank you. It means that I had the same line of thought, I think I understood most of it but came here for clarification.
Jul 24, 2013 6:49 AM

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Man, a lot of things make sense now. What the hell happened to Kaji in the end? Is he gonna die?
Jul 24, 2013 4:33 PM

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so gendou wants to create a god? why? what's the purpose of all this?
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Aug 13, 2013 1:24 PM

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I think I saw the normal version and not the directors cut online.

Anywho ... it was really great, interesting to have some more back story to it.

Awww, I hope Kaji didn't die :(

I can't believe the old hag killed Rei! :(
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Very informative episode.
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This is some depressing and disturbing stuff... I liked Kaji, too lol
And Rei is a clone of Shinji's mother... well, then.
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