| Are any of you as overly outraged by the blatant yuri between Saki and Maria as some males are over the blatant yaoi between Shun and Satoru? Are any of you going to be dropping this series because of the yuri like males that are dropping the series because of the yaoi? |
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Dessiato said: double standard /thread And you're OK with that? |
| The yuri demographic, unlike the BL demographic, is composed of a more equal distribution of males and females. The reaction of most males towards homosexual portrayal is the same as the reaction of 3rd graders to kissing. The reaction is some type of repulsion and "ewww". Never mind most complaint completely ignore the sociocultural context the story is set in. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Noope. If people are actually dropping this show because of the homosexuality, they shouldn't have been stupid enough to start it in the first place. If they'd read anything about the series they would have realized that it's a common thing in it. :/ |
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Starmie said: Noope. If people are actually dropping this show because of the homosexuality, they shouldn't have been stupid enough to start it in the first place. If they'd read anything about the series they would have realized that it's a common thing in it. :/ That's pretty stupid. The majority enjoys not knowing everything that will happen, including me. That being said, it's to be expected for people to mass-drop this. That's the kind of world we still live in. I can intellectually understand that, but will never get on the emotional wavelength of homophobics. |
AlcoholicideNov 17, 2012 9:11 AM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I love this show. And the way in depicts yuri/bl stuff is at most sweet. I fail to see any vulgar or insulting things. ANd as someone says above, most people ignore the sociocultural context. But even without that context, I would still not have anything against this; but because of the context, it really does not feel like the kind of controversial thing you put in a show to attract more viewers. You could see the author of the novel put a lot of creative thinking into it... but I would also praise the directior of the show for not trying to make these scenes ecchi in any way which really gives the feeling that you are actually peeking into their intimate moments, not like they are trying to show off. |
mitch3315 said: Are any of you as overly outraged by the blatant yuri between Saki and Maria as some males are over the blatant yaoi between Shun and Satoru? Are any of you going to be dropping this series because of the yuri like males that are dropping the series because of the yaoi? Duh... NO. People watch hentai and dont feel disgusted even though the girls are being raped and humiliated and filled with disgusting tentacles, but that´s awesome because well, they´re girls. Most of people who are dropping this are inevitably BOYS. I defend gender equality and Im not feminist but its unavoidable to say that we all know that if it only featured yuri, no one would drop it. Girls will feel bad but wont overreact like boys, who think that just because they´re watching a homo couple, they´ll get a "disease". That´s why I praise open minded people regardless the gender. Its stupid to drop an anime because it has yaoi or yuri. "Oh, Im not homophobic, Im like this because well adding those stuff...Ah but that doesnt have plot" Seriously?!!! A normal shonen where the main hero upgrades his sword 348347385345345 times with 242342434 enemies in each episode... is that necessary to the plot too? First couple of times yes, later? NO. but they do it anyway and no one complains. Shinsekai world is merely explaining that they relieve their stress and with that avoid "going out of control" by having sex with both genders, and that dating a person of the same gender avoids pregnancy in adolescence. IMO That has more plot meaning than the 242342343223 sword upgrade in a normal shounen. But peace to everyone. We´re all free to share opinions. Ill just sit and keep watching and enjoying the anime and LOLING hard at the people who dropped it because of the yaoi/yuri. |
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| I like the story. Whether I enjoy the homosexual scenes is irrelevant as it's only an aspect of the world, and has a reason behind it. People seem to lack tolerance. Why would you drop an interesting anime because of a few romance scenes? Unless you had other reasons to not like the show. |
MirorinNov 17, 2012 9:54 AM
| Personally, as a female myself, I don't think females would ever drop a series for something as stupid as seeing two girls kissing. Of course the same thing for two boys kissing. With all the homosexual couples you see on television series today, I thought people would come to be more accepting of it. |
Orulyon said: mitch3315 said: Are any of you as overly outraged by the blatant yuri between Saki and Maria as some males are over the blatant yaoi between Shun and Satoru? Are any of you going to be dropping this series because of the yuri like males that are dropping the series because of the yaoi? Duh... NO. People watch hentai and dont feel disgusted even though the girls are being raped and humiliated and filled with disgusting tentacles, but that´s awesome because well, they´re girls. Most of people who are dropping this are inevitably BOYS. I defend gender equality and Im not feminist but its unavoidable to say that we all know that if it only featured yuri, no one would drop it. Girls will feel bad but wont overreact like boys, who think that just because they´re watching a homo couple, they´ll get a "disease". That´s why I praise open minded people regardless the gender. Its stupid to drop an anime because it has yaoi or yuri. "Oh, Im not homophobic, Im like this because well adding those stuff...Ah but that doesnt have plot" Seriously?!!! A normal shonen where the main hero upgrades his sword 348347385345345 times with 242342434 enemies in each episode... is that necessary to the plot too? First couple of times yes, later? NO. but they do it anyway and no one complains. Shinsekai world is merely explaining that they relieve their stress and with that avoid "going out of control" by having sex with both genders, and that dating a person of the same gender avoids pregnancy in adolescence. IMO That has more plot meaning than the 242342343223 sword upgrade in a normal shounen. But peace to everyone. We´re all free to share opinions. Ill just sit and keep watching and enjoying the anime and LOLING hard at the people who dropped it because of the yaoi/yuri. Very good post. |
| No, hell no. I'm fucking open minded and tolerant, virtues that is apparently disappeared off the face of the planet in regards to the numerous ignorant and immature posts. All the girls I've seen so far on the subforum are on the "side of justice." |
| I don't like that it's fine for men watch/like Yuri but it's not fine for women to watch/like Yaoi. The problem on both sides is the fact that people make hateful and degrading comments about Yuri/Yaoi because they don't think it's real homophobia. Yes, there are no "actual" homosexual relationships; yes, the medium is meant for heterosexual females and males. BUT it doesn't matter if it's real or not, calling male/male and female/female pairings disgusting in ALL contexts is homophobic and should not be tolerated from males or females. People who are going to drop a show with a great narrative because of either Yuri or Yaoi need to readdress their priorities. |
| nah, I'm fine with it.. I like this series from the start..even without reading the spoilers/novel..If you ask me why, I don't know.. I just like it and that won't change.. I wouldn't dropped it just because of some yuri/yaoi scenes.. when some people keep on bitchin' about how bad episode 8 was, it made me more like the series a lot.. |
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| I don't mind yuri in this show at all. Sometimes I prefer girl x girl relationship more than boy x boy or boy x girl relationships. (I'm a straight female FYI) ...Anyways, as I said, I don't mind homosexual relationships in this show (real life too) at all. |
| lol no. Thankfully my friends aren' the kind to just get outraged over such things so I'm not going to rage over the yuri. Anime is weird on its own without raging xD |
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mitch3315 said: Are any of you as overly outraged by the blatant yuri between Saki and Maria as some males are over the blatant yaoi between Shun and Satoru? Are any of you going to be dropping this series because of the yuri like males that are dropping the series because of the yaoi? I am a woman and I do not mind homosexuality in shows. I do not love or hate yuri and I generally don't care about what sex people are, but I do mind age differences greater that 20 years or when a student who is 15 is having a relationship with a 30 year old dude or woman (the older person is goddamn twice as old as the student, disgusting). What I do mind is very cliche and stupid romance stuff. I mean no matter how this is going to end up, still a better love story than twilight xD, it is a freaking glittering pedophile vampire and a depressed, lip biting, dumb high school girl. I know a few bisexuals (people who like both females and males) and one of my best friends in 9th grade kissed a girl several times in front of me and I felt no disgust. I seriously don't understand the homophobia that is going around here, but I can imagine straight guys (who are a tiny bit unsure about their sexuality) seeing stuff like this as being awkward. I do come from a very liberal place (Sweden) and I am an atheist, so I am not really sure how it is in the place you live and what you believe in. If you are a christian or come from some place where they do not allow homosexuality out in the streets I can imagine you being used to not seeing these kind of stuff. BTW guys how does it feel to see boys love and yaoi when you are straight? I am not sure but can it be compared with feeling when I watch the sex scenes in the bond movies (because that is just a bunch of awkward characters having awkward sexual intercourse)? Though I am the type of person who thinks that all the kissing scenes are awkward no matter what. and there you have my answer. It probably doesn't make sense at all and thank you for making it to the end :D |
| It's more down to people not being interested in Yaoi rather than people being disturbed by it/hating it, as long as the series doesn't heavily focus on it I feel people who were interested in it before shouldn't be that turned off. |
Orulyon said: mitch3315 said: Are any of you as overly outraged by the blatant yuri between Saki and Maria as some males are over the blatant yaoi between Shun and Satoru? Are any of you going to be dropping this series because of the yuri like males that are dropping the series because of the yaoi? Duh... NO. People watch hentai and dont feel disgusted even though the girls are being raped and humiliated and filled with disgusting tentacles, but that´s awesome because well, they´re girls. Most of people who are dropping this are inevitably BOYS. I defend gender equality and Im not feminist but its unavoidable to say that we all know that if it only featured yuri, no one would drop it. Girls will feel bad but wont overreact like boys, who think that just because they´re watching a homo couple, they´ll get a "disease". That´s why I praise open minded people regardless the gender. Its stupid to drop an anime because it has yaoi or yuri. "Oh, Im not homophobic, Im like this because well adding those stuff...Ah but that doesnt have plot" Seriously?!!! A normal shonen where the main hero upgrades his sword 348347385345345 times with 242342434 enemies in each episode... is that necessary to the plot too? First couple of times yes, later? NO. but they do it anyway and no one complains. Shinsekai world is merely explaining that they relieve their stress and with that avoid "going out of control" by having sex with both genders, and that dating a person of the same gender avoids pregnancy in adolescence. IMO That has more plot meaning than the 242342343223 sword upgrade in a normal shounen. But peace to everyone. We´re all free to share opinions. Ill just sit and keep watching and enjoying the anime and LOLING hard at the people who dropped it because of the yaoi/yuri. Although I do agree with most of what you have said, comparing it to a hentai isn't right. Sure, there is a lot more sick shit that happens in hentai than just two guys kissing (No, I don't consider that to be sick shit, before anyone brings that up) however people who watch hentai pretty much know exactly what they're are going to get, people who don't like spoilers would have no idea they were going to get this, sure it has been explained that the society in this show seems to encourage homosexuality to an extent, but there was no way to no they were going to go so full on with it. Where as if I were to pick up some random hentai, I would know the likelihood of rape or tentacles appearing would be fairly high. |
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dwanex said: BTW guys how does it feel to see boys love and yaoi when you are straight? I am not sure but can it be compared with feeling when I watch the sex scenes in the bond movies (because that is just a bunch of awkward characters having awkward sexual intercourse)? Though I am the type of person who thinks that all the kissing scenes are awkward no matter what. and there you have my answer. It probably doesn't make sense at all and thank you for making it to the end :D It felt... Awkward... I was cringing and cowering back into my chair as the "tongue" scene happened. It's like I saw something horrible... It's the same reaction that I get from watching YRYR Outside of the tongue though, I was very fine with whatever that happened(slightly amused). "Butt poke, wrestling etc" Yaoi is something very new to me, but now that I've seen it once, I think I can see it again without the same reaction... I'm probably not as closed-minded than I myself may think |
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mitch3315 said: Although I do agree with most of what you have said, comparing it to a hentai isn't right. Sure, there is a lot more sick shit that happens in hentai than just two guys kissing (No, I don't consider that to be sick shit, before anyone brings that up) however people who watch hentai pretty much know exactly what they're are going to get, people who don't like spoilers would have no idea they were going to get this, sure it has been explained that the society in this show seems to encourage homosexuality to an extent, but there was no way to no they were going to go so full on with it. Where as if I were to pick up some random hentai, I would know the likelihood of rape or tentacles appearing would be fairly high. I wasnt really comparing the series to a hentai (it was an example) but the mentalities of certain people who watch hentai and find it great but then watch two guys kissing and spend hours posting on the thread "Its disgusting", that I do find odd...funny at least. If you´re gonna flame, then like several people already said, flame for both, because if yaoi is "disgusting" then yuri is too and I didnt see anyone complaining about the yuri. IMO, I didnt find any of them disgusting, their actions were natural for the society they live in and besides, expressing love regardless the gender it should never be considered as something negative. Even if I find the series very confusing and with yet many things to explain, I think the explanation that was given about their society was good enough for us to understand the hints that sooner or later there could be a possibility of homosexual love. I havent read spoilers and somehow I had the feeling it was coming. Ever since Saki and Satoru did it or almost did it when they were twelve that its hinted that later things could spice up. I dont think its "go so full on with it". It was a kiss between two girls and two guys, although unexpected to some people it should have been "respected" since it didn't show any sex and it was hinted soon that it could happen at any time. I just cannot see why people spent the whole day complaining about it and whining and flaming the world like if it was the most disgusting scene in an anime ever and saying that, that screwed the plot and now it has no plot etc. ETC etc But hey, that´s me, this is just my opinion. But thank you for your opinion;) |
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| You must be very naive if you seriously think there will be a significant number of girls dropping this because of the sudden yuri. And guys dropping because of the sudden yaoi need to grow up and stop being homophobic. |
AiCon said: ^To be fair, some people didn't know since they didn't read any spoilers. On that note, you do realize that most people don't wan't to spoil themselves? If you want to do it, use the spoiler thread and keep them out of the episode discussions or every other thread like the shitstorm thread where you spoiled again. |
| No. |
| It did make me a big uncomfortable I have to admit, but no reason for me to drop. |
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| Honestly, I hadn't spoiled myself so this was kind of unexpected, even though they hinted it on earlier episodes, I didn't know they were actually going to go through with it and it took me by surprise. I'm not a fan of yuri/yaoi but the story line is too interesting to drop, plus they embedded it so well in the story line, I am in no way upset. I will continue to watch this unique, interesting yet bizarre story line. :) |
| no, why would I drop a series if it had two girls kissing? why would I drop it if it had two guys kissing? how are they any different from a guy and girl kissing? Stop being so homophobic. Orulyon said: mitch3315 said: Are any of you as overly outraged by the blatant yuri between Saki and Maria as some males are over the blatant yaoi between Shun and Satoru? Are any of you going to be dropping this series because of the yuri like males that are dropping the series because of the yaoi? Duh... NO. People watch hentai and dont feel disgusted even though the girls are being raped and humiliated and filled with disgusting tentacles, but that´s awesome because well, they´re girls. Most of people who are dropping this are inevitably BOYS. I defend gender equality and Im not feminist but its unavoidable to say that we all know that if it only featured yuri, no one would drop it. Girls will feel bad but wont overreact like boys, who think that just because they´re watching a homo couple, they´ll get a "disease". That´s why I praise open minded people regardless the gender. Its stupid to drop an anime because it has yaoi or yuri. "Oh, Im not homophobic, Im like this because well adding those stuff...Ah but that doesnt have plot" Seriously?!!! A normal shonen where the main hero upgrades his sword 348347385345345 times with 242342434 enemies in each episode... is that necessary to the plot too? First couple of times yes, later? NO. but they do it anyway and no one complains. Shinsekai world is merely explaining that they relieve their stress and with that avoid "going out of control" by having sex with both genders, and that dating a person of the same gender avoids pregnancy in adolescence. IMO That has more plot meaning than the 242342343223 sword upgrade in a normal shounen. But peace to everyone. We´re all free to share opinions. Ill just sit and keep watching and enjoying the anime and LOLING hard at the people who dropped it because of the yaoi/yuri. good post but feminism is gender equality. your statement is contradictory. |
| I don't have any problems with it. I would've had a problem with it if it got really cheap with pantsu shots and boobs all over the place but they kept it with a lot of romance and I think that's good. It's not like fanservice, it's just part of the anime. |
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BlackbirdMerle said: good post but feminism is gender equality. your statement is contradictory. Thanks :D Sorry, I meant "extreme feminists" (perhaps its not the right word, I have a hard time finding a word to define it. I meant those feminists who dont follow gender equality and sometimes think women are better than man etc) Anyway, yes, I defend gender equality and that´s all. Equal rights, equal happiness XD |
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| I just got a reaction like "dafuq, why". Isn't close enough to drop it. But, that was a good stuff for me. Perfectly shows what happened in the previous episodes. Sorry for my bad English x.x |
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Redfoxoffire said: You must be very naive if you seriously think there will be a significant number of girls dropping this because of the sudden yuri. No-one is that naive. OP was trying to prove a point. And guys dropping because of the sudden yaoi need to grow up and stop being homophobic. You're not using that word the way it's supposed to be used. If you just need a meaningless pejorative use: asshole. |
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Remus_Lupa said: No-one is that naive. OP was trying to prove a point. I don't see it, but if he was, kudos. You're not using that word the way it's supposed to be used. If you just need a meaningless pejorative use: asshole. That was a completely valid use of the word. |
Orulyon said: BlackbirdMerle said: good post but feminism is gender equality. your statement is contradictory. Thanks :D Sorry, I meant "extreme feminists" (perhaps its not the right word, I have a hard time finding a word to define it. I meant those feminists who dont follow gender equality and sometimes think women are better than man etc) Anyway, yes, I defend gender equality and that´s all. Equal rights, equal happiness XD you mean like a 'feminazi'? its the most commonly used word to describe feminists that people find extreme but its pretty stupid because nazis were very anti-feminist, they believed women were lower than men and that a woman's place was being in kitchen while constantly pregnant. the word was also created by rush limbaugh who was a giant sexist asshole. in latin american literature, the best word to describe it would probably be 'hembrism' which sprang up as the opposite of 'machismo' - the belief that men are superior to women.i thought about radical feminism being used to describe "extreme feminists" but it is really just a snarl word for any feminist or feminist idea that conservatives do not agree with. i am a feminist in the practical sense because i am a big believer in gender equality but i prefer having no labels applied to me. its just like how i reject the existence of deities and care about the environment but i dont want to be listed as an atheist or environmentalist, the terms carry too much baggage. you can have so many fantastic feminists but idiots will automatically assume they hate men and are trying to establish some sort of female supremacy leading to no improvements being made to society. in the end i am not an "-ist", i am just myself. |
doujinshiNov 20, 2012 8:37 PM
| Hahaha nope. I'm laughing at the idiots who dropped this series who couldn't take two episodes of BL/yuri. I'm laughing because they're missing the amazing plot build up in the more recent episodes. |
| I'm a female, and I HATE yuri/yaoi. I was like"... waitwaitwait... eh? ehhhhhhhhhh!?wth?!!!!!!!!" at first, but not stupid enough to drop a show just beause that one scene, besides, I love this kind of anime and it's HARD to find one. This kind of anime is quite RARE you know. So, I don't mind one or two yuri/yaoi |
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| I don't mind the yuri/yaoi. |
| Being a homosexual woman; no, I obviously didn't mind it. :D But neither did I mind when the course of events clearly started going into the direction that there would NOT be other than straight couples, if the characters managed to stay alive in the end. But that didn't make me drop the series, and you know why? I watch it for the amazing plot, scientific tidbits and the contradictionary feelings of awe/angst it has managed to raise in me (something very few series have done), not the shipping. (although I have to admit I have been a little bummed that Maria, my favourite character, has not been around in so long, and in addition she spawned such an offspring with no one else but Mamoru) |
| Just watched the episode 8, and what happened wasn't all that surprising because I was already expecting something like this for some reason... maybe because the art style somehow seems "shoujo-ish". With that said I'm a guy and I didn't mind it at all and can't understand why anyone would drop the series just because of that. |
| I didn't mind at all and I did see the "Dropped" skyrocket after that episode. Whoever they are, they're missing out.....SOOOO MUCH |
| The homophobes who dropped SSY due to yaoi and yuri don't have the intellectual capacity needed to truly appreciate the series. Insulting as this may be, everything in SSY has purpose behind it, whether it be the world, cantus, history, or bisexual relationships. Yaoi/yuri for the sake of pandering is rightly frowned upon, but in SSY it is included to flesh out the story and make sense of the wonderfully mysterious world they inhabit. If people can't understand it was a proper tool to depict the workings of the world, good riddance to them; I doubt they understood anything of merit in the show anyways. |
| I am a guy but I just have to say, anyone who would drop this series over the few minutes of homosexuality that was shown way back in episode 8 are childish fools. It didn't bother me in the slightest. They are just not mature enough to watch this great show and appreciate it properly so good riddance to them. I actually thought that the small amount of BL/GL made the series better. I would even go as far as saying I want MORE BL/GL!!! |
CC-san said: I'm a female, and I HATE yuri/yaoi. I was like"... waitwaitwait... eh? ehhhhhhhhhh!?wth?!!!!!!!!" at first, but not stupid enough to drop a show just beause that one scene, besides, I love this kind of anime and it's HARD to find one. This kind of anime is quite RARE you know. So, I don't mind one or two yuri/yaoi Same. The plot is so worth it. |
| I don't know; I thought about it, but I ended up completing it and it was really good!!! ^.^ (and I'm not a fan of yuri or yaoi either o.o) I'd advise you to finish it despite that because the story does not really revolve around the yaoi or yuri... :) And just so you know, I gave this anime a 10 xP Enjoy!! :D |
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| Nah, yuri and yaoi don't bother me (although yaoi/BL tends to be kind of retarded because it's aimed at a pretty young female audience and is basically the girl equivalent of brainless moe) but the "experimental" relationships in SSY seemed sort of forced and out of place. I guess I felt neutral about them. Once again though Shun and Satoru's relationship was a lot sillier and more melodramatic than Maria and Saki's. |
ADiosMio said: Nah, yuri and yaoi don't bother me (although yaoi/BL tends to be kind of retarded because it's aimed at a pretty young female audience and is basically the girl equivalent of brainless moe) but the "experimental" relationships in SSY seemed sort of forced and out of place. I guess I felt neutral about them. Once again though Shun and Satoru's relationship was a lot sillier and more melodramatic than Maria and Saki's. How exactly did they seem forced and out of place? |
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