| I see a show and think "aw these characters look fun and adorable, must be a good feeling show!" then i watch the show and within 5 minutes they're showing me panty shots of a 10 year old. Any person with an active conscience would see that the colorful sparkly visuals and music of these shows are just a distraction from the blatant sexualization of female children. And for the viewing pleasure of majority - disgusting creepy males. Women who watch anime are expected to simply gloss over the constant objectification, even of CHILDREN, so they're not criticized as "antis" or "feminists". Can you believe it? As if you have to be some extreme feminist to not want to see depictions of 10 and 12 year olds showing their panties and being put in sexualized situations for the stimulation of creeper weirdos. Seeing this stuff actually makes me nauseous now. I wish there were an anime catalog that only showed shows that didn't have that awful female-dehumanizing crap in it. Instead I have to weed through endless shows catering to the pedo fantasy before I can find something to watch. Creepy men have absolutely ruined anime. And it scares me what young girls subconsciously internalize when they're watching that crap and realize there are freaks who look at girls sexually even at age 10 because of the sick freaks that put this stuff in their shows. |
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| @soupisgod This character is the world Champion of doing exactly that... https://myanimelist.net/character/111245/Rudeus_Greyrat Bald Admin won't stop me from calling out this terrible plague of a character .. |
ryo-sanJul 28, 2023 3:52 AM
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| Gotcha. I hope you have a wonderful day. |
| Ah, I love it when western viewers create another plaintive thread because they don't understand that most anime is gender oriented first and general audiences second (seriously, why do westerners think the whole show is oriented towards any viewers?) and because they cannot accept that they are not the target audience for this or that show. Funnier than that, only adult audiences complain that their favorite children's anime ignores adult politics and social issues. And yes, of course, sexual fanservice is only a problem for the male audience. Shoujo and josei never fetishize their male characters. Free and any male idol show will confirm. |
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wizdom224 said: Gotcha. I hope you have a wonderful day. Thanks and I hope bald Admin has a terrible day |
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| "Avoid it". They are talking about the moral aspect. It's sick that grown men watch shows involving fan service from kids and so called 'lolis' and enjoy it. Indicates pedophilic tendencies. 💓 But this isnt a topic that should be up to discussion on MAL because this place is full of unaware mentally ill incels, they will justify anything that pleases their genitalia(yes even off screen). Pointless arguing here. (If anyone is gonna quote me, use points from the argument and not my profile or anything else. I've been in discussions about this and only thing people can hold against me is kanye west being in my favorites and being a new account). |
realthomyorkeJul 28, 2023 4:11 AM
I wish there were an anime catalog that only showed shows that didn't have that awful female-dehumanizing crap in it It exists. Just avoid shows with ecchi tag and you'll avoid 95% of such anime. Bonus for avoiding shows with harem tag. Later with some more experience, you can straight away tell based on the plot and first ep if the show is the kind that's just for fanservice and objectifying women as u say. |
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| Okay, but what about creepy women and shota sexualization? |
RobertBobert said: There is no hint at the nationality of OP, their profile page even states "nippon" as location. Please abstain from your ever same stereotypical generalizations and baseless prejudices. Because the rest of the post is your ever same pre-canned rant. It is out of context this time, Don Quixote. Because you don't kow if there is a wind mill.Ah, I love it when western viewers create another plaintive thread |
inimJul 28, 2023 4:20 AM
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| I'm not sure the moderators will tolerate this kind of hate-driven attack on the PCDLSDOM community* that forms the backbone of MAL's userbase. *Perverts, Creeps, Degenerates, Lechers, Sleazebags and Dirty Old Men. |
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BigMac7 said: I wish there were an anime catalog that only showed shows that didn't have that awful female-dehumanizing crap in it It exists. Just avoid shows with ecchi tag and you'll avoid 95% of such anime. Bonus for avoiding shows with harem tag. Later with some more experience, you can straight away tell based on the plot and first ep if the show is the kind that's just for fanservice and objectifying women as u say.To add onto this, some shows with the shounen tag also have fanservice that you may want to stray away from. |
Romaki96 said: Let's be real, anime has always been made and catered to creepy old men. I just accept it because it's not the culture I grew up with nor does it affect me in any way. Fellow weebs irl don't disrespect me because I'm a woman, they treat me the way they've been taught and raised their entire life. The only anime that actually offended me was My Dress-Up Darling with a certain scene. I think it's more about it being marketed heavily and really crossing the line as a mainstream anime. Now I’m curious, what scene in dress up darling was it |
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| Anime is not obligated to cater to the insipid and juvenile thought police mentality of westerners, being fictional foreign media. The freedom to depict whatever themes and subjects it so desires is one of its selling points, in fact. Rather than virtue signalling over every frame that offends you in some capacity, it'd be wiser for you to develop a backbone. Failing that, just drop the anime, find something without the themes you don't like, and mind your own business. Mentally weak people are a dime a dozen these days, but that isn't the fault of the media they're perpetually offended by. It is not the duty of writers to coddle your preferences, as they have the creative freedom to create whatever content they desire. If you aren't the target audience for that content, then too bad. Part and parcel of being an adult is that you accept that the human species isn't and has never been a hivemind. |
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soupisgod said: Any person with an active conscience would see that the colorful sparkly visuals and music of these shows are just a distraction from the blatant sexualization of female children. And for the viewing pleasure of majority - disgusting creepy males. And that is why i have solution ie more shota fanservice pero~ |
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| I'm no fan of seeing panty shots of prepubescent girls either, but unfortunately there really isn't much anyone can do about it. I hate saying it, but the options are ignore it or just avoid it. I do agree on with your point of "Women who watch anime are expected to simply gloss over the constant objectification, even of CHILDREN, so they're not criticized as "antis" or "feminists" to some level. Enjoyers of that crap always seem so eager to like, unload, on anyone who even dares criticize little girl porn (this applies to shotacon as well obvi). Always with the same defense, too, like "it's not real", "it's not illegal", or some insult towards whoever dares to judge distasteful imagery of child or child-like characters, "She's three thousand so she's not a child" the author knew what they were doing making her look 9. There's a fair difference between petite and literal child. So, uhh, yeah, fanservice of children in anime isn't something people should defend, but there's no use complaining about it, either. |
ScatteredCatJul 28, 2023 5:14 AM
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| You may have had a semi-coherent point, if female equivalent of every male targeted fanservice didn't exist. there are bouncy tits, there are shirtless nippleless men. there are shows that lewd lolis. there are shows that lewd shotas. there are harems and reverse harems. there are yuris and yaois. I'll be it, there are more male anime fans, so the male targeted shows tend to be more common and popular. but that's purely a numbers game. the female fans are equally as perverted. we're all creeps, and yes, they are "antis" who like to pretend like it's just males. look up MHA hentai on any website, most of it is yaoi. the popular ones aren't because again, there are more male anime fans. but by the number of doujins and arts that exist there are a LOT of them that are clearly aimed at females. there are plenty of Cute anime that don't have fanservice. if the ones that do have them, make you uncomfortable, it's just as simple as not watching it. unless you are trying to argue that we need stop it for moral reasons. in which case I just disagree. if a human can not separate anime from reality, they are the problem, not the show. |
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ScatteredCat said: what makes me angry at you people is that you seem to NEVER bring up shotas. even though shotas are only slightly less popular than lolis.I'm no fan of seeing panty shots of prepubescent girls either, but unfortunately there really isn't much anyone can do about it. I hate saying it, but the options are ignore it or just avoid it. I do agree on with your point of "Women who watch anime are expected to simply gloss over the constant objectification, even of CHILDREN, so they're not criticized as "antis" or "feminists" to some level. Enjoyers of that crap always seem so eager to like, unload, on anyone who even dares criticize little girl porn (this applies to shotacon as well obvi). Always with the same defense, too, like "it's not real", "it's not illegal", or some insult towards whoever dares to judge distasteful imagery of child or child-like characters, "She's three thousand so she's not a child" the author knew what they were doing making her look 9. There's a fair difference between petite and literal child. So, uhh, yeah, fanservice of children in anime isn't something people should defend, but there's no use complaining about it, either. Not that being against both would make me agree with you, but at least don't be hypocrites. there are plenty of shota fanservice targeted at woman in anime as well. not as much as loli, but again, the difference is not that big. |
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| You can use anoher ANImeDataBase to see beforehand in the tags of each show how much ecchi, of what nature and to what level it has, though it only really works with older titles, as nobody really bothers to tag anymore over there. Agreed with everything btw. |
Fluffygreygrass said: Romaki96 said: Let's be real, anime has always been made and catered to creepy old men. I just accept it because it's not the culture I grew up with nor does it affect me in any way. Fellow weebs irl don't disrespect me because I'm a woman, they treat me the way they've been taught and raised their entire life. The only anime that actually offended me was My Dress-Up Darling with a certain scene. I think it's more about it being marketed heavily and really crossing the line as a mainstream anime. Now I’m curious, what scene in dress up darling was it Probably the scene where Sajuna (the "loli") |
| If you don't like it then don't watch it. soupisgod said: Any person with an active conscience would see that the colorful sparkly visuals and music of these shows are just a distraction from the blatant sexualization of female children. Any person with an active conscience would be able to tell apart fiction and reality. soupisgod said: I wish there were an anime catalog that only showed shows that didn't have that awful female-dehumanizing crap in it. https://myanimelist.net/anime/genre/25/Shoujo soupisgod said: Creepy men have absolutely ruined anime. Without the "creepy men" most anime wouldn't even exist. |
inim said: [list][*]There are no children in anime, only fictional characters made of ink and paper. Fictional characters who are children, going to elementary school. The anime will literally say 小学校 as the setting. Everyone knows they are animated depictions of children. |
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ateks said: If you don't like it then don't watch it. Without the "creepy men" most anime wouldn't even exist. Why are you comfortable with sexualized depictions of children? |
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APolygons2 said: I'm so confused on what you mean by 'you people' lmaoScatteredCat said: what makes me angry at you people is that you seem to NEVER bring up shotas. even though shotas are only slightly less popular than lolis.I'm no fan of seeing panty shots of prepubescent girls either, but unfortunately there really isn't much anyone can do about it. I hate saying it, but the options are ignore it or just avoid it. I do agree on with your point of "Women who watch anime are expected to simply gloss over the constant objectification, even of CHILDREN, so they're not criticized as "antis" or "feminists" to some level. Enjoyers of that crap always seem so eager to like, unload, on anyone who even dares criticize little girl porn (this applies to shotacon as well obvi). Always with the same defense, too, like "it's not real", "it's not illegal", or some insult towards whoever dares to judge distasteful imagery of child or child-like characters, "She's three thousand so she's not a child" the author knew what they were doing making her look 9. There's a fair difference between petite and literal child. So, uhh, yeah, fanservice of children in anime isn't something people should defend, but there's no use complaining about it, either. Not that being against both would make me agree with you, but at least don't be hypocrites. there are plenty of shota fanservice targeted at woman in anime as well. not as much as loli, but again, the difference is not that big. And, unless I'm misreading it or sumn, I fail to see your point. Like, I mentioned that my opinion applied to shotacon, too. Not to mention, my point was "defending it is weird" (along with 'there's no use complaining") not like 'oh but its okay if its little boys' l |
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| Assuming you're not trolling: soupisgod said: this is exactly the same arguments christians put forward against violent video games. Just saying.there are freaks who look at girls sexually even at age 10 because of the sick freaks that put this stuff in their shows. |
ScatteredCat said: well, I am sorry then.APolygons2 said: I'm so confused on what you mean by 'you people' lmaowhat makes me angry at you people is that you seem to NEVER bring up shotas. even though shotas are only slightly less popular than lolis. Not that being against both would make me agree with you, but at least don't be hypocrites. there are plenty of shota fanservice targeted at woman in anime as well. not as much as loli, but again, the difference is not that big. And, unless I'm misreading it or sumn, I fail to see your point. Like, I mentioned that my opinion applied to shotacon, too. Not to mention, my point was "defending it is weird" (along with 'there's no use complaining") not like 'oh but its okay if its little boys' l it seemed like you were agreeing fully with the main theme of the thread. which was "it's only the creepy men" and I was just pointing out that, shota specially yaoi shota, is mainly aimed at females, and it is almost as popular as loli. but it seems like I misunderstood your point. I still don't agree with it, but at least you aren't a hypocrite. |
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soupisgod said: ateks said: If you don't like it then don't watch it. Without the "creepy men" most anime wouldn't even exist. Why are you comfortable with sexualized depictions of children? Because I don't view them as children but as cock sleeves. |
| What? It's not my fault Lolis looks so delicious I wanna eat them Hehehehehehe And I wish more of them show me their panties!! I wanna see them,,, Badly Hehehehehe That doesn't make me a creep. That makes me a proud man of culture! And I think it's very open-minded of me to be so embracing toward other cultures 😎😎  |
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soupisgod said: inim said: [list][*]There are no children in anime, only fictional characters made of ink and paper. Fictional characters who are children, going to elementary school. The anime will literally say 小学校 as the setting. Everyone knows they are animated depictions of children.  Been there discussed that. Media shows all sort of things illegal and despicable in real life. Such as murder, rape, war, crime and so on. Why your particular interest should be protected more than somebody elses? Like I said, criminal law sets the limts, not morals. And in the EU, US and Japan we agreed that adults can be trusted to tell a cartoon from a real human. Cartoons have no rights. However, human consumers have the right in their fetish and producers are protected by the freedom of art and expression. Cartoons are not regulated except by criminal law, and that includes not only the mainstream shows you talk about, but even hentai. If you don't like something, just don't watch it. Telling other adults what to do is not working. Or where precisely is the paragraph in criminal law banning panty shots? Sadly, the police and justice system haven't enough capacity to even deal with all cases involving real children. What a stupid idea to waste resources on cartoons. |
inimJul 28, 2023 6:47 AM
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| Go fight actual problems, you virtue signalling loser. Despite "creepy men" women in Japan are safer than anywhere else in the world. I wonder why. |
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Yuri-Crusader said: bruh I am fighting here to prove men and woman both, weebs in general are all equally perverted.What? It's not my fault Lolis looks so delicious I wanna eat them Hehehehehehe And I wish more of them show me their panties!! I wanna see them,,, Badly Hehehehehe That doesn't make me a creep. That makes me a proud man of culture! And I think it's very open-minded of me to be so embracing toward other cultures 😎😎 but you are REALLY making it hard for me to not sound like an idiot. specially with the "hehehe" it almost feels like you hate anime and lolis, so you are doing this to make both parties as haltable and creepy as possible. |
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Catalin11 said: oh god no, if it was real anatomy, real life would be fucking terrifying:I agree, it ruins many anime. I know some people say ''It's just a drawing'' and yes, that is true but it still has the anatomy of a real little girl.   |
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soupisgod said: inim said: [list][*]There are no children in anime, only fictional characters made of ink and paper. Fictional characters who are children, going to elementary school. The anime will literally say 小学校 as the setting. Everyone knows they are animated depictions of children. to a lot of people me included, the debate ends at the word "depiction" as long as its not real, i couldn't care less if its loli fanservice, extreme violence, any other thing that you can think of being bad. i don't think there is anything that should be off limits in fiction. i understand that some people aren't like that. but it doesn't make you more morally correct. we just draw the line at different places. most people who would be fine with lolis, would actively bash something like cuties for being a problem. |
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Catalin11 said: APolygons2 said: By anatomy I mean the body... not skull.oh god no, if it was real anatomy, real life would be fucking terrifying: so question, do you have a chart of the exact point a character goes from "pettite" to "child"? cause that sounds pretty damn subjective. |
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Catalin11 said: APolygons2 said: Well the voice is that of a little kid.so question, do you have a chart of the exact point a character goes from "pettite" to "child"? cause that sounds pretty damn subjective. again, how do you define that? a lot of specially cutesy characters have very soft and kiddy voices. again, its pretty subjective. like would megumin be too much? what about marin? cause they are the exact same age. i say all this, cause for me, a loli making me uncomfortable is purely on how they act. |
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