| the fact that the fans are riddled with pedophiles and social rejects might have something to do with it |
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| Uncultured swine socially conditioned by a few centuries of European religious fundamentalism imported by the U.S. Japan was not tainted by it. |
IpreferEcchiApr 30, 2022 2:21 AM
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| Not all anime sexualizes women and children, but that is still the reason why people don't like anime. Most people are gonna raise their eyebrows at a medium where seeing panties of high schoolers is common place. Doesn't help that the community itself seems to be really invested in that side of anime. Just look at the memes, like half of them are basically porn = funny. |
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| Probably the whiny, self-deprecating nature of a community that collectively embraces the 'anime is trash and so am I' meme attitude towards their hobby and cringes when they see an anime fan who is actually proud of their hobby. Noone says more negative shit about anime and its fans (or at least specific sub-fandoms of the community) than other anime fans. I've always maintained that and not much has changed in that regard since I first joined the community. This thread will be full of comments showcasing exactly what I mean btw. It's already started. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Before anything else let me apologise for my broken english, it may hurt your eyes... I think it will all come down to weebs... Weebs can be very disgusting and creepy so I guess it's easy for outsiders to relate anime to those kinds of people... But if you are looking for a genra that makes bad impressions with outsiders, excluding echi of couse, I think it would be isekai. Don't get me wrong I love a good isekai, even a mid one, but the sheer amount of awful isekais that are just like Shinka no Mi is awfull. I think that because of isekais people have the idea that all anime watchers are disgusting and useless members of society. And who can blame them? Isekai just has to make an otaku protag-kun who is a failure and after he dies he become overpower and gets a harem without any tipe of work or merit for it, it just hapens because that's what sells. That is the problem! The fact that it sells! it just proves their point, that weebs are lazy people that expect life to be handed to them without having to struggle whatsoever. I mean just look at the anime I mentioned, it's the worse anime I have ever seen but it has a rating of 6.15 and 818 people have that anime on their favourites... How is that possible, I know people have different tastes but seriously? At this point I already lost my train of thought but what I meant to say it's that animes like isekais makes people have the ideia that weebs are lazy and disgusting |
  You may grow out of anime eventually... But until then you might as well enjoy it! |
| I mean...it really is mostly the sexualisation & exploitation of women & children in Anime. Sketchy stuff exists in other forms of course, but it's soooo visual in Anime. Seeing kid's/young teens underwear shots (or in their underwear) is something never really seen displayed in my country, even in clothing catalogues. Their very much protected from things like that here... and rightly so. And even if it's a hundred year old Loli that's in this state of dress/undress trying to explain to someone not familiar with it would probably find you a complete weirdo. Could also just be the generalisation that Anime fans are immature because they still watch cartoons (Anime). |
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| 1. The community 2. It sexualizes women and children (You're correct that it's a generalization, but isn't that what people do a lot of which has an impact on their beliefs?) |
| While there may be the cringe and sexualize women and children part, let's take attack on titan as an example which many seemed to hate at the time and it doesn't exactly do any of these (unless these haters find it cringe?). People tend to want to feel special and that they're superior in their taste and like lesser known things. So when something mainstream like AoT comes along, more often than not they want to hate it for no reason to feel superior. Anime is becoming more popular and mainstream, so those who aren't part of the club want to feel more superior and will hate anime for sometimes the same reason. People want a place to belong and be apart of. So when it's something they feel they can't belong or fit in or have no interest in it. They'll often hate it and want it to go away so there's not something else out there they aren't apart of. You might feel this way for a fandom or medium you can't get into, and you wish it'd just go away forever, and you might think your favourites are better and people should enjoy your thing instead. Some people might not give a crap at all. But usually when you see haters, most of the time they hate it for this reason after hating it for their own little dumb reasons like not liking the genre or how over the top it might feel to them. |
GreiLugaj said: Alcoholicide said: Probably the whiny, self-deprecating nature of a community that collectively embraces the 'anime is trash and so am I' meme attitude towards their hobby and cringes when they see an anime fan who is actually proud of their hobby. Noone says more negative shit about anime and its fans (or at least specific sub-fandoms of the community) than other anime fans. I've always maintained that and not much has changed in that regard since I first joined the community. This thread will be full of comments showcasing exactly what I mean btw. It's already started. Due to niche nature of anime a couple decades ago, it made sense for the fandom to be weird and cringe in the eyes of non-anime fans. The community has grown a lot. The more mainstream a medium gets the more divided its community will be. However I feel like the majority of the hate towards anime fans, comes from anime fans who are just as cringe, just in different aspects. Now when it comes to non-anime fans hating on anime fans, that doesn't make sense to me. How can a tiktok dancer believe they are less cringe than anime fans. Or marvel fans ridiculing anime fans for being butthurt losers, when their whole entire personality is based on dickriding generic superheroes. To me it just seems hypocritical. No, you don't get how humans work if that's what you think. If you constantly see anime fans calling each other and themselves 'cringe' and 'weeb' and shouting 'anime is trash and so am I', why wouldn't you, as an outsider, think that's the normal attitude to have towards anime and its fans. No other community does this to even remotely the same degree as anime does. And if even the people who love anime have that mentality towards it, of course everyone else will spout the same bullshit. The reason why everyone feel like they have the right to shit on anime is BECAUSE they see anime fans themselves doing it all the time. You can't pretend like the two aren't related. Either way, I wanted to know more on what non-anime fans hated anime for from a writing standpoint, but I guess no one really focused on that other than that one other dude I replied to. Seems a bit superficial to focus the hate on the fans rather than the medium itself. I mean that is kinda ironic considering you said you didn't want people to mention sexualization, lolis and fanservice which are the 3 biggest reasons in terms of the actual content that rubs people the wrong way. There is nothing else in terms of writing that is really problematic or controversial. We can't just make up shit just because you don't like the answers you're getting. Because first of all, that is how superficial hate works, it's superficial and not based on some deep research into the medium. So yes, it is superficial because that's the way the hate tends to be 99% of the time. It's the only way to look at the question. And secondly, as I stated multiple times, you simply CAN'T separate the fans from the medium in this regard. Anime fans made sure of that. That's the whole point of 'anime is trash and so am I' memes. On top of that this is just another example of you not seeming to understand how hate works, because when it comes to taste, or anime taste specifically, the majority of the time when people hate on a specific genre or show they do so because they hate the fandom/fans and not just because the show wasn't their cup of tea. So yeah, you can keep being in denial and rejecting the actual answers to your question because you don't like them, or you can face reality and accept that your question of 'What do people hate about anime writing aside from sexualization, lolis and fanservice?' has only one answer: Nothing. That never has and never will be why people hate on anime. No random non-anime viewer will deeply study anime tropes and then decide to hate a medium he never watched because isekai has too many OP MCs or battle shounen are too formulaic. It is delusional to think any non-anime fan does that. People who hate on anime from that perspective, are already anime fans, tying this all back to my initial point that anime fans make up the vast majority of haters towards anime. We already explained to you where the hate actually comes from, you just didn't seem interested in hearing it. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| it's not 2007, anime is probably the most popular medium. |
| I don't think there's any more to it than simply having preconceived ideas in regards to the saturation of a select genre and generalization of traits or attitudes shared among community. As a medium, it's not so much different compared to its counterparts. The more its influence expands, the more divisive impression it will gather. |
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Alcoholicide said: So yeah, you can keep being in denial and rejecting the actual answers to your question because you don't like them, or you can face reality and accept that your question of 'What do people hate about anime writing aside from sexualization, lolis and fanservice?' has only one answer: Nothing. Actually, as someone who does watch anime, I can tell you more reasons. 1. Even the stuff I do actually like has a lot of weird tropes, that I had to get used to. 2. Anime is primarily targeted at kids, like there are some actually mature shows here and there, but there is very little to watch, if you want to avoid high school shows, and teenagers beating up each others with superpowers. I did watch Yugioh and Pokémon as a kid, but those kinda don't count... So at some point I watched Death Note, and that's a pretty normie anime, but even then found Misa unbearable to have on screen. And like Code Geass was good, despite all the nonsense in it... But then ran into bunch of garbage. And I basically dropped FMAB after the first joke it was so bad. And then didn't go near anime for 5+ years until I ran out of western shows and games I was interested in... Ultimately I did end up finding some good shows, so I didn't drop the entire medium a second time. But still actually finding something worthwhile to watch is a lot of digging, despite being accustomed to anime tropes. So basically I got into anime, after giving it lots of second chances, and lowering my standards. |
| 1) Anime Fans 2) Fanservice 3) "Animation is for kids" 4) Cringe shows targeted towards cucks who actually self insert. |
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GreiLugaj said: I just wanna know your opinions on this. Please avoid using reasons such as "it's cringe" or "sexualizes women and children", that's just generalizing. I'm asking more in terms of storytelling and ideas. Every storytelling medium has garbage content, yet anime always seems to be hated on the most. TV shows, movies, books, there are controversial products in these mediums all the time. There is no evidence to support such claim that anime is the most hated medium to begin with. Perhaps this title, “The Most Hated Medium” maybe it goes to YouTube, Facebook, Twitter or video games, but anime hardly could receive such attention on mainstream news outlets like video games, like GTA and the like of those games being the reason of the rise of crime-rate. |
ArabianLuffyApr 30, 2022 4:38 AM
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| Who hates anime and for what reasons? Many blacks hate anime because minimal "muh representation". Many transexuals hate anime because anime has traps. Many feminists hate anime because anime girls are cute, feminine, thin, and made into fan service scenes. Many anti-loli, pro-censorship, anti-Japan hate anime because anime have loli. Interestingly, many of them enjoy shota but when anime loli it's "muh pedophillia and child abuse". And many hate anime because they simply cannot stand anime and the Japanese voice acting (high squeaky, cutesy female voices). Plus, it's fun to hate something. |
| Anime is fun. |
JaniSIr said: Alcoholicide said: So yeah, you can keep being in denial and rejecting the actual answers to your question because you don't like them, or you can face reality and accept that your question of 'What do people hate about anime writing aside from sexualization, lolis and fanservice?' has only one answer: Nothing. Actually, as someone who does watch anime, I can tell you more reasons. 1. Even the stuff I do actually like has a lot of weird tropes, that I had to get used to. 2. Anime is primarily targeted at kids, like there are some actually mature shows here and there, but there is very little to watch, if you want to avoid high school shows, and teenagers beating up each others with superpowers. I did watch Yugioh and Pokémon as a kid, but those kinda don't count... So at some point I watched Death Note, and that's a pretty normie anime, but even then found Misa unbearable to have on screen. And like Code Geass was good, despite all the nonsense in it... But then ran into bunch of garbage. And I basically dropped FMAB after the first joke it was so bad. And then didn't go near anime for 5+ years until I ran out of western shows and games I was interested in... Ultimately I did end up finding some good shows, so I didn't drop the entire medium a second time. But still actually finding something worthwhile to watch is a lot of digging, despite being accustomed to anime tropes. So basically I got into anime, after giving it lots of second chances, and lowering my standards. Not liking some anime you watch early is not the same as actually hating on anime and its fans tho. Hating, is an activity, not just thinking to yourself that anime might not be for you. It usually requires more motivationg than just that. Dislike =/= hatred. You're just picky and you had to actually get involved with anime and become kind of a fan to find out that you don't like most of the tropes. As I said, you don't find out about anime writing to that degree without being somewhat of a fan in the first place. And OP made clear he was only interested in why non-anime watchers feel that way. Also as a sidenote: You're weird if you could watch Code Geass without batting an eye but dropped FMA because of the comedy. CG is much more cringey and childish imo :>. And I can't believe people still believe in the 'anime is for kids' meme. There's hundreds and hundreds of shows with adult appeal out there and a glace at your list and ratings tell me that it's more your specific taste (which I can't really figure out but has to be pretty narrow based on what you're saying) that is holding you back from finding more anime you enjoy than it is a lack of mature shows for adults in the medium, since you've given plenty of good shows that fit those criteria terrible scores and excellent scores to a bunch of shows that I would decidedly not put into that category. So I think you're really simplifying the issue and ignoring your own pickiness and narrow taste when you say it's all because of weird tropes and immaturity that you have a hard time finding good anime. Normally when someone says they don't like weird anime tropes and prefer anime for adults I can easily whip up a mountain of recs for them since that's kind of at the core of my taste as well, but after looking at your list and scores I'm pretty clueless and feel like anything I could mention has a 50/50 chance of being a 8+ or getting a terrible score so there have to be more elements to your taste complicating things, is all I'm saying. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Probably because it got too popular and heavily overlaps with video games, so the snowflake westerners get exposed to it more often when their community is filled with anime avatars. |
| Some fans are so obnoxious and lacking in self-awareness it sometimes even makes me embarrassed to be an anime fan |
 A society which fails to uphold empathy as its foremost guiding principle is doomed to ignore or even defend the exploitation of its most vulnerable members. |
| It's hated because of toxic fandoms like Attack on titan. mfs down voted breaking bad to get #1 spot on Imbd |
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Mirai said: Not all anime sexualizes women and children, but that is still the reason why people don't like anime. Most people are gonna raise their eyebrows at a medium where seeing panties of high schoolers is common place. Doesn't help that the community itself seems to be really invested in that side of anime. Just look at the memes, like half of them are basically porn = funny. Not a valid excuse for hating anime. If you take a look at internet culture, you find that sexual innuendos and memes are transversal across fandoms. Basically everybody is doing rule 34s and sex jokes all the time. Some have mentioned those days when tentacle rape OVAs were the norm, but that's also forgetting one fundamental: porn videos have always been popular and sleazy sexploitation has always been that genre everybody went to consume more or less secretly since the freaking 60s. I bet that all of this vitriol against anime for specifically having this content live action films and novels and other media do have, all boils down to one essential prejudice: that this type of content doesn't belong in animation because animation is supposed to be kid-friendly and not perverted or sleazy. So basically people in my opinion hate anime because it is animation and it doesn't always conform to their idea of what the animation medium should offer. |
| Making fun of anime and its fans was always an easy one, so maybe it makes some people feel superior to others, makes them feel good about themselves. Even among fans, because someone like a "cringe trope" or has a "shit anime" in the favorites. What I have experienced is that people think that cartoon = for children. Others get turned off by the unnatural hair colors, the hairstyle, the big eyes or the strange fashion style, in any combination. I have also seen complaints about the stories being strange or the characters screaming too much. |
| @Alcoholicide Not liking some anime you watch early is not the same as actually hating on anime and its fans tho. Hating, is an activity, not just thinking to yourself that anime might not be for you. It usually requires more motivationg than just that. Dislike =/= hatred. You're just picky and you had to actually get involved with anime and become kind of a fan to find out that you don't like most of the tropes. As I said, you don't find out about anime writing to that degree without being somewhat of a fan in the first place. And OP made clear he was only interested in why non-anime watchers feel that way. You kinda don't need to watch a lot of anime to learn about the tropes. Just out of context clips of Dragonball kinda work... Like Claymore ended up being a show where "shouting louder = more damage" became major plot point, after being sold that as a serious/dark/bloody anime for adults. And well, draw the line where you want it's not like I'd be able to convey you my mental state 10 years ago. Also as a sidenote: You're weird if you could watch Code Geass without batting an eye but dropped FMA because of the comedy. CG is much more cringey and childish imo :>. To be fair, I watched that show based on a recommendation of a friend, and after Googling it "Death Note, but the ending doesn't suck" came up. On the other hand started FMAB after starting a bunch of stuff I didn't like. Like I watched SAO before it was cool to hate on it. (And now I know that it's infamous for it's bad comedy.) And I can't believe people still believe in the 'anime is for kids' meme. There's hundreds and hundreds of shows with adult appeal out there and a glace at your list and ratings tell me that it's more your specific taste (which I can't really figure out but has to be pretty narrow based on what you're saying) that is holding you back from finding more anime you enjoy than it is a lack of mature shows for adults in the medium, since you've given plenty of good shows that fit those criteria terrible scores and excellent scores to a bunch of shows that I would decidedly not put into that category. Unfortunately being mature doesn't mean it's good. Like Ergo Proxy was pretty good until the halfway point, it was super slow, but watched slower western movies, and then just stopped making sense. That's not something you can tell from the get go... Or the Ghost In The Shell movie, that just felt pretentious, like I played Mass Effect, that tackled the whole AI issue much better already. But then Cross Ange is such a travesty, that there is no way to tell if anyone will like it, but I was hard sold when in episode 1 a child was taken away by the police for being born the wrong way, and Ange just walks up to his mom, and unironically tells her to "just make a new one". Plus, I have rated shows high, I wouldn't start now. Mirai Nikki being a prime example. Most items on my list I watched since I made my account. Getting tired of certain tropes, and getting used to others just happens when you watch so many stuff. So I think you're really simplifying the issue and ignoring your own pickiness and narrow taste when you say it's all because of weird tropes and immaturity that you have a hard time finding good anime. I know I'm picky, but the more shows that are without "instant nope"s, the more I can be picky from. Normally when someone says they don't like weird anime tropes and prefer anime for adults I can easily whip up a mountain of recs for them since that's kind of at the core of my taste as well, but after looking at your list and scores I'm pretty clueless and feel like anything I could mention has a 50/50 chance of being a 8+ or getting a terrible score so there have to be more elements to your taste complicating things, is all I'm saying. What can I say, taste is a fickle thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And a lot depends on execution. And there are shows in my favorites I almost dropped... (Hell Girl) And I couldn't have foretold that my AOTY from 2021 is 2 girls 2 aquariums. Ultimately the only way you'll be able to tell if you like an anime or not is actually watching it. But ain't nobody got time to be a completionist, I watch anime for my own entertainment, so reducing the time watching stuff I don't enjoy between stuff I do is pretty important. |
| Twitter exists and it's home to attention seeking people that like to spread hate for the stupidest reasons. That's why it's a "hated" medium |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| 1. The majority of anime isn’t that good. 2. A large proportion of anime fans, especially online, are pretty fucking weird. |
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| Can we like stop posing false premises as legitimate questions? |
GreiLugaj said: I agree. The issue is that anime isn’t comparable to most other mediums for a western audience. Everybody grew up watching movies and playing games so they’re used to sifting through the trash, and have already spent years finding out what’s good and what they enjoy. For your average English speaker they have to start at ground 0 and just hope what anime they watch is half decent. It can be pretty overwhelming for someone to start watching anime, especially as most beginner recommendations appear, at least at first glance, to be for quite a young and eccentric audience.Monochrosanity said: 1. The majority of anime isn’t that good. 2. A large proportion of anime fans, especially online, are pretty fucking weird. The majority of content of all mediums isn't that good. |
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| Sexualizing women and children is a pretty legitimate reason to hate anime, though. I mean, sure, not all anime do that, but it's pretty baffling how pedo-friendly this medium is compared to any other, and even when a female character is actually good, most anime still won't let a chance of sexualizing her pass by, it feels jarring when it happens in otherwise very good anime with well-written female leads. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
And I'm pretty sure you know all of that damn well but asking for the sake of debate or whatever. Man up dude, you know this topic is useless. |
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| Because otaku centric anime are not socially acceptable. |
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-Ryu said: Sexualizing women and children is a pretty legitimate reason to hate anime, though. I mean, sure, not all anime do that, but it's pretty baffling how pedo-friendly this medium is compared to any other, and even when a female character is actually good, most anime still won't let a chance of sexualizing her pass by, it feels jarring when it happens in otherwise very good anime with well-written female leads. I bet my balls the people who hate anime because it "sexualizes women" are mostly porn addicts. |
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GreiLugaj said: Every storytelling medium has garbage content, yet anime always seems to be hated on the most... because Anime has the power to make people feel very special feelings down there, a fact that a whole lot of people out there simply aren't even remotely prepared to be able to come to terms with... |
MasterTasukeApr 30, 2022 7:33 AM
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nutzboi said: I bet my balls the people who hate anime because it "sexualizes women" are mostly porn addicts. Isn't it more likely that people who consume anime that heavily sexualize women are porn addicts? At least that's how it is in my circles, some weebs I know seem unable to view anything without becoming horny. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| hated by who everybody watches anime now |
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