Vivy: Fluorite Eye's Song Episode 12 Discussion

newluminous said:

Oh yeah i agree. my main problems with this show is that there were a lot of plot conveniences here and there like when Vivy went to the exact spot where the Toak guy was about to drown. Or Vivy could just leave the park whenever she felt like it. I only forgave it a bit because this is an one-cour series they don't have time to cover it all.

No if u think it was simply because human's bad like what every AI apocalypse fiction told us then you clearly didn't pay attention. It was totally different. I even found it weird. Watch it again i won't tell you.

OweynLupton said:
So, is there any reason they can't send Matsumoto back in time again? Now that he knows the reason the whole AI uprising occurs and has a better grasp of the events involved, surely making him restart from zero would have a much greater chance of success than sending Vivy back a few hours. Maybe I missed an explanation as to why that can't happen, I don't know. As it is, though, it seems like they only did it this way in order to kill Osamu off, ensuring there wouldn't be any further attempts at carrying out the Singularity Project in order to raise the stakes.

ElPsyKongroo69 said:

Didnt Archive say that it followed Vivy's journey? So I guess it keeps track of all AI that need to connect to the Archive. Matsumoto is also one of these. So no matter what changes he tries to make Archive can simply counter those like it said it did.

alshu said:
Personally I would send both: Matsumoto-junior to the distant past and Vivy several hours ago.

And for those who are concerned that all the bridges to the past are burned - well the technology still exist, some AI like Matsumoto-junior (or backup copy of him) can figure out how to use it, repair it and still be able to create yet another divergence in the past with happier times for the humanity.


The AI sent to the past will know to evade The Archive (at leat no to connect with it) and take account of its actions.

ElPsyKongroo69 said:
Do they need to connect to have their movements recorded tho?

alshu said:

Nope but they would be way harder to track and deleted/moved to the quarantine folder and analysed.

alshu said:

But The Archive from past didn't know Matsumoto-junior in advance, it stumbled upon him while tracking Diva...and Diva is pretty important for The Archive since she is the first AI tasked developing human feelings (even figure out absurd humnan stuff like what is to "sing from your heart") thus she was putted on observation from her creation.
Matsumoto-junior now knows the culprit and if sent to the past can evade The Archive...and maybe attack it and destroy it.

ElPsyKongroo69 said:
Doubt he can do that solo though.

KIERO360 said:
Stop over analysing every little detail... lol.

Sharpedon said:
The Archive said to Vivy : "Every time you revised history, we re-revised and implemented those changes so that it (history apparently) would not stray too far from the original timeline". This raised an obvious question : how on Earth did the Archive know the events of the original timeline or even about the existence of an original (vs the current secondary) timeline at all? It would be impossible for the Archive to know these events because the Archive never time traveled.

Neither did Vivy. Only Matsumoto the AI did. However, even if Matsumoto never shared data with the Archive (we saw him access it with Vivy in it but it's unknown if he shared his data with it - I would guess "absolutely not" for security reasons, since his data about the future could ... complicate things to put it mildly) he did share them with Vivy. And the Archive had apparently open access to all of Vivy's (and every other robot's/AIs) data for the last 100+ years.. Vivy was -unwittingly- a constant security leak. So that's how the Archive found out and knew what to do to re-revise history..

The core of the Achive, the Arayashiki server, is a reference to the 8th and most fundamental "store-house consciousness" of the Yogācāra school of Mahayana Buddhism. Per the Wikipedia, Arayashiki / Ālayavijñāna is the "All-encompassing foundation consciousness", it forms the "base-consciousness" (mūlavijñāna) or "causal consciousness", and is the basis of the other seven consciousnesses of this school of Buddhism. It is the storehouse-consciousness which induces rebirth, causing the origination of a new existence. Based on the above I think it's obvious why the writers chose to name the server Arayashiki.

Unfortunately the massive reentry of the satellites sequence was utterly ridiculous, to put it mildly : 1. Satellites cannot fall back into Earth in straight lines as was shown, they "fall" around the Earth. 2. They also cannot fall so fast after just a simple command (the speed they gained was similar to how fast the last stage of ICBMs would reenter the atmosphere..). 3. After receiving that command all of them would have remained at the exact same orbit and would start losing altitude very slowly; that's because satellites do not, er, have rockets (what would they do with them?); they have tiny orbital adjusters. 4. Furthermore, due to their small to moderate size most of their mass should have been incinerated by the atmospheric reentry. I would excuse a single blunder and attribute it to creative license but this is four blunders -that I counted- in just one small sequence. Come on guys, satellites are not ICBMs bearing nuclear warheads... Really?

Last but not least, I was wrong about Vivy's song. I was quite sure in my comments on the previous episodes but as we found out it was not the song that made the AIs go mad. On the contrary, it is the song that (hopefully) will save humanity by deactivating the homicidal AIs. That was quite a surprise.. What I did not get at the end of this episode is why the Archive would choose a "solution" (that wouldn't work as I explained above but anyway) that would kill the humans, the AIs and the Arayashiki server of the Archive, thus putting an end to the Archive's plans whether Vivy sang the song or not.

It was clear that a satellite was heading directly for the server at the end, which would destroy everything there. This idiotic plan looked more like a mass murder - suicide instead of a mass murder. So how was the Archive planning to replace the humans with AIs if it no longer existed to command and coordinate the surviving AIs? Did they even calculate what the survivors were going to do after killing the "current" human race in order to evolve? Apparently not..

ElPsyKongroo69 said:
So the Archive wants to further human evolution and so what does it do? That's right destroy humanity ,because that makes a lot of sense doesn't it ? Also it gives Vivy a chance to prove that humanity can do some things that AI can't. How does it want her to prove this? By having her, an AI, sing a song that she made herself. All this does is prove that AI can do exactly what humans can lol.

How convenient that now they can only travel to the exact point that the AI went berserk. Why? No reason given, they just wanted to raise the stakes.

I was hoping that at the very least they would have an original reason for the Archive going rogue. But no we're treated to the same thing that happens in every AI apocalypse fiction ie Humans bad therefore must destroy them.

Comander-07 said:
good episode and all but I just cant take it serious. The entire AI theme is done so weakly in this story.
Animation is good but some dynamic scenes can not keep up and they still do the jarring style changes. Just decide on a style and go with it.

Why would they kill humanity but stop if she sings. Its just so convoluted. The song did not even exist the first time around..

I get the idea behind AI becoming creative and the "free will", but its completely backwards. If anything Vivy singing her own song would prove humanity is not needed anymore. Why would archive try to destroy the only AI who managed to evolve past their set mission.
Once again you can literally do anything you want, just say its for the mission and its fine.

What should be the plot is Vivy pushing forward to sing from her heart because thats her mission and that then triggers the AI revolution because it shows archive AI can develope emotion. (not like they havent been all emotional since day 1 but anyway)
They constantly use their MiSsIoN to justify everything but dont even follow it.
I really want to like this show more but I just cant.

nick_kun said:
I do not know what's wrong with ARCHIVE like evolving the human race by replacing the human race with AI race.

Kaguyachinchin said:
Was the whole point to say that Osamu surviving was straying too far from reality?

KIERO360 said:
The "style change" complaint is so stupid. It's a highlight of every episode. I love it and it's unique. Other animes would kill to have those kind of drawings.

Comander-07 said:
The "highlight" praise is so stupid. Its disruptive and I hate it. Other anime take care to keep a consistent artstyle. Thats the entire point of key animation frames.

they are really just stillshots with one moving element. Its nice as a picture, not as a frame of animation.

MadanielFL said:
Nope he said before restoring the timeline that Vivy and Matsumoto were not to go save him again so he is most probably dead.