| I've never been a fan of them either. Isao Takahata is cool though. |
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| Every time I tell myself I'm going to try one of their film's my brain says it's not worth your time |
| Ghibli makes many different kinds of movies. My favorites are Laputa and Howl. I notice you haven’t watched any of the studio’s realistic fiction. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| i don't like it too, too fairy tale-ish the only one i like is spirited away |
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| People who enjoy these films like that kind of stories, and to be fair, they are pretty good. It has that charm, that fantastical element, the fairy tale vibe which some people love. In my case, I like Mononoke Hime and Nausicaa (this is disputed because it was more of a Topcraft studio but Ghibli bought it and bla bla bla, it's mostly ghibli staff). And I verry much liked Umi ga Kikoeru and Kaguya-hime. The rest is not to my taste. |
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Devilet said: did you? did you really think you were the only one?Nope. And I thought I was the only one. |
| I really don’t get the point of this thread. You already know the answer to your question, but you either want attention or direct validation from someone. Furthermore, if you truly are curious why people like their works, read the THOUSANDS of analysis and reviews explaining in detail what makes them resonate with so many people instead of making a silly thread. |
| To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly. |
| You're not the only one. I don't dislike most of them, but I don't love them either. I've read plenty of analysis explaining why those movies are great but I still don't get it. Aside from the nostalgia factor, the argument I've seen the most often is the whole thing about the characters feeling real because there's a lot of moments establishing their personality and all. I've never understood it. Take for exemple Spirited Away : a lot of people are praising the scene with Chihiro crying while eating because according to them it gives her important characterization. That's not the case, I'm sorry. Plenty of shows and movies have scenes like that, they just don't last long because there's no need to make them last so long. It isn't providing characterization, it is just showing the character has emotions. I mean, it's great to know that but.. Where's the rest ? Where is the character's unique traits, psychology ? People might say that the main characters' simplicity is what makes them human but I strongly disagree. Humans aren't "simple". And not only that, but the characters also feel the same. Take for exemple Haku and Howl, aside from Howl's selfishness and arrogance (that is barely established, only told), they're the same person. There main characters don't have an actual personality and the side characters are flat despite the so-called complexity people always bring out... Without really explaining where it is. And I don't understand how can a movie that lasts 2 hours make me feel like barely anything happened in it. It's like only 10 minutes were actually used to develop the story while the rest is just there to show you the character has feelings. Great. And there's also the world-building, everyone is praising it but for me it is very bad. Take once again Spirited Away, its world-building is one of the biggest reasons of its success but we spend the huge majority of the movie in the baths without exploring the world outside. Hiw is that good world-building ? The Ghibli movies have their qualities but they're also very flawed. Not liking them is totally in your right, because despite what their fans say there are actual reasons to dislike them. |
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| Pretty sure you are not the only one. You are not the only who have shit taste lol. |
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
| Whenever you ask yourself "Am I the only one among millions who doesn't like thing", the answer is most probably no. |
| The aesthetic that a lot of a Ghibli films possess is very unique and nostalgic, which is why they’re so popular. I personally am a huge fan of Ghibli, so it’s kind of disappointing to see some people who have a hard time appreciating their works :( |
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Arnobu-kun said: I believe you're mistaking Ghibli for Disney. A lot of Ghibli's works explore themes that aren't targeted for younger audiences and if you don't notice them, then you don't notice them. No biggie.I think that the films are made for kids, Cause they are too fairy tale-ish. Movies like totoro, Grave of the fireflys and spirited away are truly beautiful but there are movies like ponyo that are just bad. I dont love the studio I just like some of the movies. |
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PerfectAzul said: The aesthetic that a lot of a Ghibli films possess is very unique and nostalgic, which is why they’re so popular. I personally am a huge fan of Ghibli, so it’s kind of disappointing to see some people who have a hard time appreciating their works :( I love Ghibli films too, but people have different opinions on everything because we all are different. And that’s OK. There isn’t anything in this world that everyone all likes or dislikes, but the overwhelming consensus is that Ghibli movies are good. I think there are people who have such high expectations going into a Ghibli movie that they end up being underwhelmed which is why they aren’t big fans Also thanks for showing me your stat signature. They say imitation is the greatest compliment |
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| They have good production values and they are family friendly kinda similar to disney stuff hence why they are so popular. I think there is better stuff out there but it's not much appealing to normal audience as much as ghibli is. |
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| Nope. It's the same with me. I have this bad feeling that many people here think that kissing Miyazaki's butt will make them look more sophisticated. |
| I've seen all the Ghibli films, except Tales from Earthsea. I liked some of them a lot, and didn't really care for others much. Just like pretty much any other studio, I guess. Ghibli has put out more than 20 movies, and I'm not going to feel the same way about all of them. |
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| Bad taste? Well as long as you like Takahata you are not 100% lost ;) |
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| It's OK. I'm the only one who doesn't like Kyoto Animation. |
| So you randomly thought that out of all the people that has ever watched a Ghibli film you are the only one to dislike it? What is the point of this post? To gather all the people who didn't like Ghibli films so they can circlejerk in one place? |
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| Ghibli and Hayao Miyazaki are trash. Same with Akira. Just overblown animation experiences with shallow content. |
 ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
| I think they are all quality, some higher than others but all worth seeing and having an opinion on. I see these movies as works of art from the soul of the director(s) and the soul of Japan. |
NamikazeHime said: I have this bad feeling that many people here think that kissing Miyazaki's butt will make them look more sophisticated. I feel the same way. Miyazaki made some great movies, but so did other directors. 4th most favorited person is a disproportionate honor no matter how I look at it. Then again, I don’t like any younger directors hailed as “the next Miyazaki.” If Yuasa and Shinkai are the future of anime, I’d rather Miyazaki never retire. |
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Fafette said: You're not the only one. I don't dislike most of them, but I don't love them either. I've read plenty of analysis explaining why those movies are great but I still don't get it. Aside from the nostalgia factor, the argument I've seen the most often is the whole thing about the characters feeling real because there's a lot of moments establishing their personality and all. I've never understood it. Take for exemple Spirited Away : a lot of people are praising the scene with Chihiro crying while eating because according to them it gives her important characterization. That's not the case, I'm sorry. Plenty of shows and movies have scenes like that, they just don't last long because there's no need to make them last so long. It isn't providing characterization, it is just showing the character has emotions. I mean, it's great to know that but.. Where's the rest ? Where is the character's unique traits, psychology ? People might say that the main characters' simplicity is what makes them human but I strongly disagree. Humans aren't "simple". Chihiro cries because everything that happened to her was heavy and emotionally draining and when she could finally get some rest and piece things together this reaction appears. Whatever discourse you are making about human complexity is irrelevant, the scene is a little breather from the action and it's a moment the character takes to let everything go down. Allowing these kinds of breathing moments is definitely more common in anime and perhaps Japanese narrative, and this scene is just a very good example of that in my opinion. Also, people often cry when they are stressed out or release emotions, this is not about human simplicity or complexity. Whoever tried to move the discussion around this scene in this direction was probably trying to convince you badly that the scene is deep and missing the more eloquent point in the process. And like, uh, there's plenty of written and audiovisual analysis on the movie, the themes, the characters and the symbolisms. It would help to not be so dismissive of the fandom and their takes just because you don't like it, strawmanning the heck out of anybody who is into this movie is the opposite of constructive. |
jal90Aug 9, 2020 1:32 PM
EndlessMaria said: Ghibli and Hayao Miyazaki are trash. Same with Akira. Just overblown animation experiences with shallow content. I kind of think the same thing. While Ghibli films and Akira may be shallow, depending on how you define the word in this context, I don't think they are trash either. They are just not for me and does not meet my expectations in a story but I don't think I wasted my time watching them. |
jal90 said: Fafette said: You're not the only one. I don't dislike most of them, but I don't love them either. I've read plenty of analysis explaining why those movies are great but I still don't get it. Aside from the nostalgia factor, the argument I've seen the most often is the whole thing about the characters feeling real because there's a lot of moments establishing their personality and all. I've never understood it. Take for exemple Spirited Away : a lot of people are praising the scene with Chihiro crying while eating because according to them it gives her important characterization. That's not the case, I'm sorry. Plenty of shows and movies have scenes like that, they just don't last long because there's no need to make them last so long. It isn't providing characterization, it is just showing the character has emotions. I mean, it's great to know that but.. Where's the rest ? Where is the character's unique traits, psychology ? People might say that the main characters' simplicity is what makes them human but I strongly disagree. Humans aren't "simple". Chihiro cries because everything that happened to her was heavy and emotionally draining and when she could finally get some rest and piece things together this reaction appears. Whatever discourse you are making about human complexity is irrelevant, the scene is a little breather from the action and it's a moment the character takes to let everything go down. I know that. I'm just talking about how people are trying to say that scenes like that are there to provide characterization when just like you said, it's there to show that everything she's been through has been emotionally draining. This isn't what characterization is about. I am the first one to say that a character having a wide range of emotion is a sign of great writing, but that's only if there is something outside of that. For exemple, a character crying over something everyone else is indifferent towards is a kind of characterization. The character is more sensitive than others, or the character has a particular life history with this thing, or I don't know what else. But a character crying over something anyone else would've cried to, if there is nothing else behind it, isn't characterization. It shows the character is a human being which is good, don't get me wrong, too many shows forget to do that so it's very good for Ghibli to establish that, but it's not enough if you want to create real characters. That's what I've been trying to say when saying that humans aren't simple. I don't want a character like Chihiro to be extremely complex, I just want her to be more than just a kid in an emotionally draining situation. Who is she as a person ? What makes her unique ? That's what I'm failing to see. We can argue she receives development but it's pretty hard to praise when she hasn't been given a definite personality to begin with. And take for exemple the MAL synopsis. It is describing Chihiro as stubborn and spoiled. It would've been interesting if she really was like that and grew into a better human being. But the thing is that nothing in the movie established those sides of her. We can argue she has a pretty bad temper that has been shown since the beginning but that doesn't make her stubborn nor spoiled given the situation she's in and the irresponsible parents she has. She just has totally normal reactions... A bit too normal. That's what I'm trying to say. (I'm not saying Chihiro reacting "normally" to this situation is a bad thing though, absolutely not.) Allowing these kinds of breathing moments is definitely more common in anime and perhaps Japanese narrative, and this scene is just a very good example of that in my opinion. Also, people often cry when they are stressed out or release emotions, this is not about human simplicity or complexity. Whoever tried to move the discussion around this scene in this direction was probably trying to convince you badly that the scene is deep and missing the more eloquent point in the process. Oh sorry, I didn't read that before answering to the first part. Well yeah, I get what you say, and actually I don't generally mind breathing moments like that. But my issue with Ghibli movies is the fact that they are full of breathing moments, sometimes there are almost as many moments like that as more action-packed ones. But instead of using them for actual character development, they just use that to show us the character has emotions and is a human being. At first it is great, at times it feels a little bit like a waste when I think about how long a movie has been and how little I know the characters by the end of this long movie. But I totally understand how can people appreciate that. The biggest reason why I made this post was to point out how people, depending on what they're looking for, can actually dislike Ghibli movies for valuable reasons, and not simply because they have bad tastes, like I've seen plenty of people saying. Also, actually I saw someone describing this scene like that in a youtube comment, and a considerable amount of people agreed with it as if it was an actual fact. It kinda confused me, to say the least. (And I used that scene as an exemple because I've seen this comment quite recently, but actually I've seen many other people saying the same thing about similar Ghibli scenes, which led me to think the majority of Ghibli fans were using that as an argument.) |
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Fafette said: jal90 said: Chihiro cries because everything that happened to her was heavy and emotionally draining and when she could finally get some rest and piece things together this reaction appears. Whatever discourse you are making about human complexity is irrelevant, the scene is a little breather from the action and it's a moment the character takes to let everything go down. I know that. I'm just talking about how people are trying to say that scenes like that are there to provide characterization when just like you said, it's there to show that everything she's been through has been emotionally draining. This isn't what characterization is about. I am the first one to say that a character having a wide range of emotion is a sign of great writing, but that's only if there is something outside of that. For exemple, a character crying over something everyone else is indifferent towards is a kind of characterization. The character is more sensitive than others, or the character has a particular life history with this thing, or I don't know what else. But a character crying over something anyone else would've cried to, if there is nothing else behind it, isn't characterization. It shows the character is a human being which is good, don't get me wrong, too many shows forget to do that so it's very good for Ghibli to establish that, but it's not enough if you want to create real characters. That's what I've been trying to say when saying that humans aren't simple. I don't want a character like Chihiro to be extremely complex, I just want her to be more than just a kid in an emotionally draining situation. Who is she as a person ? What makes her unique ? That's what I'm failing to see. We can argue she receives development but it's pretty hard to praise when she hasn't been given a definite personality to begin with. I don't think I agree with your statements on characterization. Chihiro is not a character that should feel unique but relatable, her life story, her family, her feelings and her immaturity are all mundane. Characterization is not there to provide uniqueness, but to provide context and in this case the conflict. The most blatant theme it has is about growing up and Chihiro grows up by essentially moderating her impulsive, nervous and capricious personality. I think one of the actual biggest establishing character moments happens when she is walking with her parents to the temple. Complaining every time, dragging, unable to keep her pace, just like a kid who can only think of herself and wants things done her way. When she first meets Yubaba she is intrusive and Yubaba shuts her up despite she is working. Chihiro becomes less nervous and selfish and more composed and mature through the movie. It's on the way she manages to successfully solve a crisis (the river god), on how her decisions become increasingly better, she becomes more confident at her work, and she finally knows how to solve the riddle. It's also on the gestures: she moves less, she acts more calmed and she can solve things step by step. This is what the movie defines as becoming mature. And take for exemple the MAL synopsis. It is describing Chihiro as stubborn and spoiled. It would've been interesting if she really was like that and grew into a better human being. But the thing is that nothing in the movie established those sides of her. We can argue she has a pretty bad temper that has been shown since the beginning but that doesn't make her stubborn nor spoiled given the situation she's in and the irresponsible parents she has. She just has totally normal reactions... A bit too normal. That's what I'm trying to say. (I'm not saying Chihiro reacting "normally" to this situation is a bad thing though, absolutely not.) I agree that her reactions are normal, and normal in the sort of way any 10-year-old girl would act. Perhaps it could have been more blatant but I don't think that was the point because it's rather "Chihiro is stubborn and spoiled like any girl her age". It's just that there is nothing in her personality that makes you say "wow, this girl is specially stubborn and spoiled for her age and her situation". Allowing these kinds of breathing moments is definitely more common in anime and perhaps Japanese narrative, and this scene is just a very good example of that in my opinion. Also, people often cry when they are stressed out or release emotions, this is not about human simplicity or complexity. Whoever tried to move the discussion around this scene in this direction was probably trying to convince you badly that the scene is deep and missing the more eloquent point in the process. Oh sorry, I didn't read that before answering to the first part. Well yeah, I get what you say, and actually I don't generally mind breathing moments like that. But my issue with Ghibli movies is the fact that they are full of breathing moments, sometimes there are almost as many moments like that as more action-packed ones. But instead of using them for actual character development, they just use that to show us the character has emotions and is a human being. At first it is great, at times it feels a little bit like a waste when I think about how long a movie has been and how little I know the characters by the end of this long movie. But I totally understand how can people appreciate that. The biggest reason why I made this post was to point out how people, depending on what they're looking for, can actually dislike Ghibli movies for valuable reasons, and not simply because they have bad tastes, like I've seen plenty of people saying. Also, actually I saw someone describing this scene like that in a youtube comment, and a considerable amount of people agreed with it as if it was an actual fact. It kinda confused me, to say the least. (And I used that scene as an exemple because I've seen this comment quite recently, but actually I've seen many other people saying the same thing about similar Ghibli scenes, which led me to think the majority of Ghibli fans were using that as an argument.) Sorry about my last paragraph, I was a bit driven the wrong way by the tone of your comment for some reason and you clearly didn't mean that. I am not intending to describe Chihiro's development as the very best in the medium. Like, I can understand that it falls short and suffers due to the allegorical nature and the lack of emphasis to many attitudes of Chihiro that the movie sets as defining of her immaturity and further character growth. But I think it's solid and it's nicely done in the details (the gestures in special), and I personally am very into the kind of narrative Miyazaki likes. He is literally obsessed with naturalism in every detail and my liking towards observant focuses on reality is totally my jam and I find it very respectable as an artistic approach. |
jal90Aug 9, 2020 2:42 PM
| I've hated / disliked every gibli anime I've seen, I think this studio tries to make stuff as boring / bad as possible. The only reasonable conclusion I can draw for this studio's acclaim is the emperor's new clothes phenomena. |
RoevhaalAug 9, 2020 3:16 PM
| I don't hate them, but I do agree with some of you who think they are not 10/10. The only ones I really liked were Arriety, Marnie, Kaguya and Grave of the Fireflies |
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| I like most of their films and love a few of them (namely Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi, Kaguya-hime no Monogatari, and Mononoke-hime) - Kaguya is one of the best visual masterpiece achievements of all time and I also feel Takahata should get more praise for his swan song in Kaguya especially, but also in Ponpoko (an underrated fantasy adventure Ghibli film from the early 90s about tanuki and the destruction of their woodland habitats; another environmental fable). It was amazing to see his director's hand/writing talents as well in the '79 adaptation of Anne of Green Gables, Akage no Anne, a TV series which was done by Nippon Animation (and pre-Ghibli) yet also feels like the only serial I've seen with that Ghibli-esque touch and charm; it's definitely distinguishable and present in different ways in a lot of his and Miyazaki's works. I found Ponyo, predictably tales from Tales from Earthsea, and even Laputa which is more popular with people generally to be all decent enough, but below average and underwhelming compared to most studio canon. Ponpoko is underrated as said. Spirited Away, Kaguya, and to a slightly lesser extent Mononoke are the true masterpieces of the studio for me. Yet a lot of people dislike them for various reasons and comment on that very subject here frequently enough. Has there ever been an anime created which everyone 100% universally either loves or hates? No. Has there ever been a manga or comic, novel, film, series of any kind, or any work of art like that anywhere? No, likely not. One aspect of criticism people raise frequently though which I definitely can't agree with or get behind is the idea that certain anime or stories generally are heavily restrictive toward certain audience demographics, and that an anime not having graphic violence, sex, teen romance, guns or an abundance of adolescent/young adult topics and instead being "family" films makes them exclusively somehow for children, rather than what they are, which is for family, meaning something which offers something for all ages and can be appreciated by all ages for a plethora of reasons, and doesn't have any overtly gritty or risque content so you could feel comfortable watching it with your parents or children, even with babies and toddlers, distant middle-aged relatives, or old grandparents/great-grandparents in the same room. That does not in any way, shape, or form mean you as an individual will personally get to enjoy or derive any satisfaction from a family film, nor are you obligated to, but they do offer enough for people of all ages obviously, because plenty of people your exact same age and much older love them. |
| İ like the fairy tale ish and family friendly vibe that most of them have, their art style and animation, the industrial European setting that a lot of them have and wish it would be revisited more nowadays, their brand of comedy in movies like porco rosso and kiki and I also love their osts so much so that I always have a playlist of them whenever reading a book or manga. And yes also add a bit of nostalgia as well though I haven't grown up watching them they've the same vibe as the world masterpiece theatre series I did. |
| Nope, you are not. I, for example, i have a good taste and i enjoy Ghibli movies. Classics. Ah, sorry, about you, sure, most of people i know dont like any kind of anime, neither Ghibli movies obviously, so you are not alone. |
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| I've seen like three Ghibli movies and... yeah, not really my cup of tea. I mostly get bored with them. I'll continue watching though, maybe I'll find some that I'll really like, but for now... just nah. |
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| Yup, you are literally the only person in the entire world who doesn't like them. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| If "everyone" (meaning several people, within the very limited circle of our personal knowledge) think that a thing is good, it doesn't mean that it is; but it is always more wholesome to suspect that there may be something that we are missing, rather than concluding that they-are-all-wrong-period. It is more wholesome because it may lead to discovering something good where we hadn't seen anything before. I haven't lost hope of one day discovering what people find so funny about Gintama, for example. Regarding Miyazaki's films, it must be said that he often tries to create an experience that is different from the standards of modern anime. Anime has developed a lot of techniques, conventions, subgenres and tropes, from animation to storytelling, that Miyazaki doesn't feel compelled to follow: it sometimes feels as if he hadn't watched anything made after the mid '80s. Instead he has followed his own direction. Take his last movie (The Wind Rises, 2013). It is technically superb, with a deep and extremely moving story, but it really is so unlike the vast majority of the anime made at the time that it might as well be a different medium. I'm not saying that anyone who dislikes his movies does it because they expected him to follow the canons of contemporary anime, but I'm sure that that happens very often. |
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| Same here, I only enjoyed and loved Spirited Away which I gave it a score of 9. After that, I tried My Neighbor Totoro and Howl's Moving Castle but I disliked both. My Neighbor Totoro is simply boring and Howl's Moving Castle is a mess. I scored both of these lower than 4. Honestly, I don't care which studios make which show, I score them solely based on my overall satisfaction. |
810TeamsAug 9, 2020 8:55 PM
| M-Maybe you have a severe case of edgelorditis! :0 (joke) |
| I once had the same mindset. Then me and my brother watched Whisper of the Heart one night on a whim. We both enjoyed it. When Ghibli Fest came came around at our local theater me and some friends tried to go see most of what was shown. Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, and the Secret World of Arietty are some of my favorites. |
| Just like every other anime, not everyone will like it. I mean, the highest rated anime here is actually FMAB though?? XD For myself, i like some of them. I really love Howl's moving castle because it was more or less the one that made me watch romance genre in the first place. But I'm not really interested in watching the far older ones. |
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AnimeDownUnder said: If you go onto any Ghibli movie page on here click the stats button up the top it will show you the amount of people who gave it a low vote Yeah, you can even see who gave it a low score. OP can add everyone and raise an army of Ghibli not-that-gooders. |
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