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sangwiny said: There's one thing I really don't get, if someone can enlighten me. Why is there such polarizing reception of this show? Reddit seems to love it like if it's best thing since sliced bread. 4chan seems to hate it like if it's the worse thing that could befall the humanity. I just don't get it... I haven't read the source material yet, well I've read like 10 chapters to check out the art and feel of it, but it seems like a well rounded show. I'd say it's above your generic shounen for sure, especially the character writing seems to be a cut above par. Is all the hate just stemming from diversions from the source material? I'd really like to know. Part of it are the deviations, sure. But honestly, a LOT of people on both ends are anime only, so that alone doesn't explain that all too well. But if you think about it: what's the most consistent element in the foreground of the show? Bam being the world's biggest simp for Rachel, who, so far has been shown undeserving. Once you look at it from that direction and put that in the context of the general political alignment of reddit and 4chan users, the starkly different reactions start to make quite a bit of sense. ToG is phenomenal. One of the best stories I've ever read. But the thing is, the first season (the webtoon is also separated into seasons), which what the anime is covering now is a prologue. A backbone and backstory for the characters so that later events makes sense. while it was curious and very intriguing to read, overwhelming majority of the people who became diehard fans of the series did so after around the mid part of season 2. That's where all the character and worldbuilding of the first season started to pay off and the plot really thickens. everything: the scale of the world, the character development, the fights, the stakes and so on, EVERYTHING is taken to the next level from about the 1/3rd part of season 2. I just hope that if they animate it, they will get more episodes, because rushing those bits would completely ruin the intricately built story that makes toG truly one of a kind. |
| I might be blind or something, because I didn't see any smooth directing on this episode, the transitions were awful and the pacing was awful. On the bright note, Chibi Rak was amusing at the very least. Ngl, Bam is way too nice to forgive someone like Rachel, ugh. |
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Gorochu said: Does the part where they drink together and got drunk,sleeping happen in the manhwa? Can't remember. Yes and no. The drinking happened in the webtoon, but not with these characters... Also, did they kill the knight guy, Cheonhwa Hong? The one with ignition sword... Because not only he didn't die in the original, he passed!.. |
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sangwiny said: There's one thing I really don't get, if someone can enlighten me. Why is there such polarizing reception of this show? Reddit seems to love it like if it's best thing since sliced bread. 4chan seems to hate it like if it's the worse thing that could befall the humanity. I just don't get it... I haven't read the source material yet, well I've read like 10 chapters to check out the art and feel of it, but it seems like a well rounded show. I'd say it's above your generic shounen for sure, especially the character writing seems to be a cut above par. Is all the hate just stemming from diversions from the source material? I'd really like to know. Read it and watch it to take your conclusions. The quality of the anime isn't that great (the anime has a production and animation that I think is ok, it's not a masterpiece). Manhwa, on the other hand, is above average, it's really fun to read, when you start reading you can't stop because there is always an ending that pulls you to the other chapter. I think it's so polarized because the manhwa has a lot of fans that hyped the anime up a lot. So many people who only saw the anime are disappointed because they expected a masterpiece, something that the anime is not being because it is not being treated well (with information cut, with little character development and obviously with bad animation). But in general I think it's a battle shounen above generic, there are many things that ToG do better than the generic (I usually say that ToG is an improved sword art online). It's a fun piece and I think it's worth watching, don't care a lot for what other people say, the anime is doing great and most anime watchers seem to be enjoying it. |
Kami_sama_ said: dc22 said: Reddit is wrong, as always. It's not above a generic shonen, it is the epitome of generic shonen. Trying to be all misterious just makes it look dumber when the execution falls flat. At least wait for those mysteries to be answered before saying that the execution falls flat. I don't think that ToG is the greatest piece of media to ever exist, hell I even gave it a 7, but one thing it does do right is it's world-building and mysteries. At least wait until the season finale before you call it overrated and generic. This is my thinking too. Why was everyone condemning the plot before it even got the chance to unravel. Like, most people should know that this is a long running series and therefore prolonged set up should not be a bad thing. I agree with you rating somewhere around 7. Warfoki said: sangwiny said: There's one thing I really don't get, if someone can enlighten me. Why is there such polarizing reception of this show? Reddit seems to love it like if it's best thing since sliced bread. 4chan seems to hate it like if it's the worse thing that could befall the humanity. I just don't get it... I haven't read the source material yet, well I've read like 10 chapters to check out the art and feel of it, but it seems like a well rounded show. I'd say it's above your generic shounen for sure, especially the character writing seems to be a cut above par. Is all the hate just stemming from diversions from the source material? I'd really like to know. Part of it are the deviations, sure. But honestly, a LOT of people on both ends are anime only, so that alone doesn't explain that all too well. But if you think about it: what's the most consistent element in the foreground of the show? Bam being the world's biggest simp for Rachel, who, so far has been shown undeserving. Once you look at it from that direction and put that in the context of the general political alignment of reddit and 4chan users, the starkly different reactions start to make quite a bit of sense. ToG is phenomenal. One of the best stories I've ever read. But the thing is, the first season (the webtoon is also separated into seasons), which what the anime is covering now is a prologue. A backbone and backstory for the characters so that later events makes sense. while it was curious and very intriguing to read, overwhelming majority of the people who became diehard fans of the series did so after around the mid part of season 2. That's where all the character and worldbuilding of the first season started to pay off and the plot really thickens. everything: the scale of the world, the character development, the fights, the stakes and so on, EVERYTHING is taken to the next level from about the 1/3rd part of season 2. I just hope that if they animate it, they will get more episodes, because rushing those bits would completely ruin the intricately built story that makes toG truly one of a kind. I can understand the simping argument, though I disagree with it. She's basically an only family member to him as far as we know. Even though she gave him shitty treatment so far, I can understand why he still keeps running back to her. Though I still consider him to be a bland MC, even though I defend him on this one point. |
hd_nexus said: sangwiny said: There's one thing I really don't get, if someone can enlighten me. Why is there such polarizing reception of this show? Reddit seems to love it like if it's best thing since sliced bread. 4chan seems to hate it like if it's the worse thing that could befall the humanity. I just don't get it... I haven't read the source material yet, well I've read like 10 chapters to check out the art and feel of it, but it seems like a well rounded show. I'd say it's above your generic shounen for sure, especially the character writing seems to be a cut above par. Is all the hate just stemming from diversions from the source material? I'd really like to know. Read it and watch it to take your conclusions. The quality of the anime isn't that great (the anime has a production and animation that I think is ok, it's not a masterpiece). Manhwa, on the other hand, is above average, it's really fun to read, when you start reading you can't stop because there is always an ending that pulls you to the other chapter. I think it's so polarized because the manhwa has a lot of fans that hyped the anime up a lot. So many people who only saw the anime are disappointed because they expected a masterpiece, something that the anime is not being because it is not being treated well (with information cut, with little character development and obviously with bad animation). But in general I think it's a battle shounen above generic, there are many things that ToG do better than the generic (I usually say that ToG is an improved sword art online). It's a fun piece and I think it's worth watching, don't care a lot for what other people say, the anime is doing great and most anime watchers seem to be enjoying it. I plan to read it after the S1 finishes. |
Kami_sama_ said: dc22 said: Reddit is wrong, as always. It's not above a generic shonen, it is the epitome of generic shonen. Trying to be all misterious just makes it look dumber when the execution falls flat. At least wait for those mysteries to be answered before saying that the execution falls flat. I don't think that ToG is the greatest piece of media to ever exist, hell I even gave it a 7, but one thing it does do right is it's world-building and mysteries. At least wait until the season finale before you call it overrated and generic. No, it's overrated and generic now. Most good shows start that way from episode 1, but we should give this one 100 episodes to "get good"? Having mystery boxes and lots of unique terms doesn't equal good world-building. The show's setting runs on videogame logic/suspension of disbelief. |
| Easily the best episode so far. Replacing intense action with character interaction showed us how far the characters have come along. The few anime-only scenes this episode were really well done too. And that cliffhanger was amazing. Really hyped for the last test arc !! |
AdizcoolJun 3, 2020 11:23 AM
| Oh, right. No one knew Bam was an irregular. I had forgotten. Rak got shrunk because of his attitude! haha. Hatz taking Bam away was so cute!! The creature with eyes inside the mouth was creepy until I realised it was a costume. Now, I can only imagine it handing out flyers outside a newly opened mall. lol. Still, the music that played during the scene was nice! Rak fought for the Ghost. haha. He really started liking the guy in no time! I am afraid of our group leaving Evankhell's floor because I really don't want them to leave Lero Ro behind. I like that alpaca quite a lot for some reason! Yuri coming to get her sword back can't just be a setup for a comedic scene in the future, right? She's taking a long time, so I feel like something important and dramatic is about to happen. Have we already seen the eye that talked to Bam? It feels familiar but I also don't remember seeing it before in this anime. I feel like Bam might be a really powerful guy, who was locked in the "cave" for being utterly dangerous. I can't think of any other reason why he'd be there for so long and also have no memory of anything. (Also, Lero-chan had called him a monster when he'd seen him.) |
| Damn a lot of emotions in this episode. Also a lot coming out about some characters. Hoh's funeral was sort of sad. But made everyone come together. Then they all got trashed off of Sake...I was crying at that scene! Lol It was nice to see Yuri again though only for a short time. There is a lot going on behind the scenes. YuHan is confirmed to be garbage. Like why turn Rak tiny? Why are you helping that Sheep to try to kill Annak and get the swords back? Story just keeps getting crazier and better each week. They better have Season 2 confirmed dammit. 12 episodes are not enough! |
SoraSenpaiJun 3, 2020 12:23 PM
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| We just received a grim reminder of the fate of those who don’t pass the tests, with that shot of all the graves of the people. “I just want these stupid tests over with as quickly as possible.” The idea of tests still confuses me, it seems like the final test they are about to take, is simply the final test for the floor they are on and not the end of tests for good. Also the name Evankhell has shown up again, the Royal spy said Hansung Yu was from Evankhell’s floor, so most likely that’s the floor they are currently on... |
herricklukJun 3, 2020 11:43 AM
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| I really don't understand some of the choices made by the adaptation. They rush like madman cutting fairly important scenes but then they suddenly slow down to include plenty of unnecessary anime only content before starting to rush again and completely changing some important scenes as well. This episode felt particularly disappointing. Most of the cool/strong scenes felt empty by being too shortened (so no tension built), having weird/awkward music choices that made everything feel out of place, or by completely ruining the scene by changing the way it's play out (and sometimes changing peoples' roles/ personality for the sake of it). if the scenes were poor in the original I could understand changing them but it was not the case in any of those. So I'm left with wondering what's the point in the changes and how can the studio justify many of the choices they made this episode. The ideas were poor and the execution was even worse. |
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| Rachel doesn't seem so bad. Why so much hate |
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| Hmm so Khun had already determined Hoh would become a danger and planned in advance. A S version Gater sure was amusing to see. Despite Hoh's actions it was nice to see Bam and the other pay their last respects to him. The results were as expected in that the heavyweights like Endorsi and Anaak would pass. Though there were some surprises like Shibisu and Narae. The revelation of Bam's being an irregular sure served to be a tense moment. Its nice that in the end the bonds that Bam made came back to help him. Quite curious to see how the meeting Bam's meeting with the admin would go. |
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| I totally forgot they didn't know about him being an unchosen one :0 Also size reduced Rak is one of the cutest things oml So he's gonna climb the tower 'instead' of Rachel? That's a good thing *-* |
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machetevuoi said: FuMomo-kun said: Have we already seen the eye that talked to Bam? It feels familiar but I also don't remember seeing it before in this anime. It's the "thing" with which Bam stipulated the contract a couple episodes back (kinda gives me turtlish vibes) Or at least that's what I think it is Oh, was it during the Shinsu class? |
| I still don't get why being an irregular is such a bad thing |
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| Soooo I think it was first episode when we heard (and she was named) K-Karen... (I mean Hwaryun of course). lmao. Also, that shinsoo teacher from Lo Po Bia family looking like a cute harmless sheep... is so creepy. With his eyes glowing and his mouth being actually just a part of his... her...? clothes...? I really enjoyed at least the music this episode. It was not bad! MSAtlos said: I still don't get why being an irregular is such a bad thing Because, as it was said, they bring change to the tower. Calamities. They usually disturb the balance with their own power. And siding with them is considered being branded a rebel, as it was stated. |
Nanami said: I'm fucking stupid, they said in the episode and I still post this. Soooo I think it was first episode when we heard (and she was named) K-Karen... (I mean Hwaryun of course). lmao. Also, that shinsoo teacher from Lo Po Bia family looking like a cute harmless sheep... is so creepy. With his eyes glowing and his mouth being actually just a part of his... her...? clothes...? I really enjoyed at least the music this episode. It was not bad! MSAtlos said: I still don't get why being an irregular is such a bad thing Because, as it was said, they bring change to the tower. Calamities. They usually disturb the balance with their own power. And siding with them is considered being branded a rebel, as it was stated. |
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ItsBritneyBitch said: I watch this when its out but I really don't care about anything that goes on. Its semi-interesting to watch as the time goes by but all these secret-ops/mystery/twists don't really connect at all. The atmosphere is always just flat and any emotional weight to what goes on Is just 'eh-ok'. Like when Bam said "... IM AN IRREGULAR" the dramaticism didn't connect at all. You can even see in the comments everyone is like ???? i thought we all knew that. Which basically shows how poorly directed it is, the show isn't communicating what its been trying to. Exactly my thoughts on this show, it just does not click for me. Maybe I will read the source material after the last 3 episodes. |
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FuMomo-kun said: machetevuoi said: It's the "thing" with which Bam stipulated the contract a couple episodes back (kinda gives me turtlish vibes) Or at least that's what I think it is Oh, was it during the Shinsu class? Yes, the administrator is the gigantic fish like creature he met during the wave controller class when he contracted to be able to use shinsu on floor 2. |
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| The OST is super great! The rest could be far better though |
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Zefyris said: Yes, the administrator is the gigantic fish like creature he met during the wave controller class when he contracted to be able to use shinsu on floor 2. Now I remember! Thanks!! |
Definitely originally read the sub as "Who's your daddy" LOL I can almost envision it now, chibi Rak plushies becoming official merch XD I'm sad to see Serena go but Shibisu giving her a send off was nice. I have a feeling we'll see her again in the story later. I'm surprised though. Didn't she have good odds to move on to the next test. Despite Hoh trying to kill Rachel, the funeral for him was a nice touch. Let's be honest though, I feel like most of the remaining people climbing the tower like Bam and dislike Rachel. Completely enjoyed the party where everyone passed out drunk. Also, the only emotion that I see Rachel feeling for Bam is guilt, which was originally annoyance. Did I get that right? I feel bad for Bam if that's true. The girl he wants to be with doesn't want to be with him at all. He should pick Endorsi instead |
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| This episode was definitely a big improvement over the last few, though I'm not sure I'd call it the best episode of the series. Overall, I've loved the show's in media res presentation of the material (that got the first episode to really call out to me,) but I would agree that they need to drop the shounen running gag comedy in order to make their explanations a little more tidy. It also does suffer from too-fast pacing, something that can really kill a show when you need a feel for the characters to understand their actions and the plot dynamics. |
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dandon223 said: is it going to cover chapter 1 at this rate?ExTemplar said: so anime is already better then I would not say that. They cut a lot. They even cut short a few fights. Plus the animation is not the best. |
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dc22 said: Kami_sama_ said: At least wait for those mysteries to be answered before saying that the execution falls flat. I don't think that ToG is the greatest piece of media to ever exist, hell I even gave it a 7, but one thing it does do right is it's world-building and mysteries. At least wait until the season finale before you call it overrated and generic. No, it's overrated and generic now. Most good shows start that way from episode 1, but we should give this one 100 episodes to "get good"? Having mystery boxes and lots of unique terms doesn't equal good world-building. The show's setting runs on videogame logic/suspension of disbelief. First off, I suggest you read Kami_sama's post again. He never stated that you should watch "100 episodes" or several seasons for the show to get good, just to wait until the season finale before you make any judgment. Also, I'm pretty sure he didn't say that mysteries = good world-building just that it's too early to decide the execution is flat without even knowing the answers to said mysteries. Secondly, usually, when you make a claim you provide evidence to back it up. So how exactly does the setting of the show "run on videogame logic?" What's your reasoning? Until you provide the necessary arguments to support your statements, you have no credibility whatsoever. |
| And here I was never thought Rak could be more adorable than he already was; and suddenly, he became a chibi Raki!🥰😍 Awww! But I wonder if he can revert back? It might be a huge disadvantage in the upcoming journeys being tiny. I love how the characters are becoming closer together in their quest to reach the Tower of God. It's apparent that Huh will not be the only casualty in this expedition. The more they are attached to each other, the harder it is to be apart. I sense a bittersweet ending of this story. 😱 |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
| So Rachel's injury has quite the impact on her, not only physical but also for the tests as she failed the last test due to her injuries. That's some tough luck tbh! Tiny Rak was pretty damn funny! Another meeting with the Administrator as Bam said that he's an irregular! Pretty solid end to the episode, start was a bit questionable though... |
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