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May 15, 2020 3:27 PM

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Abysswalker116 said:
Laplace_kun said:


Touma refused to unleash whatever was coming out of his cut hand to prevent killing off Fiamma. He just wanted him to realise his mistakes.

Here, if that sphere was destroyed, nobody will be hurt. So Touma unleashed most of the dragons without hesitation.


You say if the sphere is destroyed, nobody will be hurt, but there's no way he could've known that. There was a risk of killing Misaka while destroying the sphere and he didn't hesitate, but he holds back against guy who started WW3?


The sphere thingy was manifested by Misaka, unlike Fiamma's Holy Right which is like a part of him. That difference was notable. Misaka herself is not something astral/supernatural unlike LPSaD Fiamma, so his dragons will just eat away at the power manifestation, leaving her unharmed.

Killing Fiamma wouldn't save the world necessarily. It might even complicate matters, as he is the only one with the knowledge of the arcane manipulation he was using to change the world.
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May 15, 2020 3:41 PM

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Abysswalker116 said:
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WW3 takes place after this arc.

it's not an asspull if it happened before.


That's exactly my point. If he has such tremendous power during the Festival, why doesn't he use it when he fights Fiamma?

And it didn't happen before, not with so many heads.


Because he doesn't control it. He doesn't even know what it is or how it works. also there are two different powers IT and the dragons there seem to be certain conditions for each one. crowley literally explains how he was behind the things inside touma's arm. when he confront's fiamma.

also touma doesn't want to use such a power. which is why he rejected the invisible thing durring the fight with fiamma.

Chikenfrieds said:
GOSH seriously, how to basic are the indexfags to get excited about a nonsense power up, that instead of criticizing it, they praise it as if it were a wonder, when the nekketsu has been doing it for decades and is criticized when its executed poorly.


@hazarddex on that occasion stiyl gave the explanation that the dragon was the form of the despair that Aureolus had felt which was a coherent explanation because the alchemist could materialize his thoughts, but if in the end it turned out to be a deception so that we did not think it was a deus ex machina. I only give him credit for having hidden that asspull.


the novel further explains it and the doubts that touma has about it after Styl leaves.
GrimAtramentMay 15, 2020 3:47 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

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Chikenfrieds said:
GOSH seriously, how to basic are the indexfags to get excited about a nonsense power up, that instead of criticizing it, they praise it as if it were a wonder, when the nekketsu has been doing it for decades and is criticized when its executed poorly.


@hazarddex on that occasion stiyl gave the explanation that the dragon was the form of the despair that Aureolus had felt which was a coherent explanation because the alchemist could materialize his thoughts, but if in the end it turned out to be a deception so that we did not think it was a deus ex machina. I only give him credit for having hidden that asspull.


There is no powerup, animefag. These ARE Touma's powers, or at least a part of them. The concept behind these powers is nearly as old as when the series was first written. The Imagine Breaker was always there to hid/seal these powers. Unless that right hand got cut off. It's like opening Pandora's Box. You do not know what's inside.

Touma's 'dragon' against the alchemist was a clever move by the author to keep the readers guessing. An ambiguity was created which suggested either that Izzard was materializing it or Touma really unleashed something. Stiyl is not an useful source of info on Touma's arm. Only Aleister knows it apparently uptil now. Remember, how in Index season 1, Aleister teasingly asked Stiyl that if Deep Blood suggested that vampires exist, what would Imagine Breaker suggest? here be dragons


But did they explain before or now what these powers are? This is like ichigo and his multiple types of DNA, he got a new transformation because These ARE Ichigo powers. They will simply explain it later because it is convenient for the author to provoke artificial tension because if we knew what he really is capable of, nobody would have fun. If this were an isekai, surely everyone would criticize him for being fact of be another isekai where they give powers to the protagonist, but NOT It's better simply is the future where they give powers to the protagonist who already lives there
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Abysswalker116 said:
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Because he doesn't control it. He doesn't even know what it is or how it works.


Typical feature of an asspull.


There are two different powers IT and the dragons there seem to be certain conditions for each one. Crowley literally explains how he was behind the things inside touma's arm. when he confront's fiamma.

also touma doesn't want to use such a power. which is why he rejected the invisible thing durring the fight with fiamma.

imagine breakers hidding stuff is part of the Mystery behind the show.

which the show has been hinting at stuff for it for years

they even had a small side story in one index novel talking about a dragon that came out well before this arc.
not to mention terra alludes to knowing it's true identity. (before crowley silences him with a well aimed bomber strike.)
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

May 15, 2020 3:50 PM

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Abysswalker116 said:
Laplace_kun said:


The sphere thingy was manifested by Misaka, unlike Fiamma's Holy Right which is like a part of him. That difference was notable. Misaka herself is not something astral/supernatural unlike LPSaD Fiamma, so his dragons will just eat away at the power manifestation, leaving her unharmed.


That might have been the case when Misaka first manifested the sphere, but again there was no way he could've known what happens after she became trapped in it.
Especially since he doesn't really understand his own power.


Whatever floats your boat, I guess. Touma stepped up instead of Gunha only because he wanted to take responsibility for whatever that might happen to Misaka and Academy City. There are also hints that his powers are intelligent and could realise what might harm Misaka or not. After all there are parts of HIS powers, unknown or not. They listen to him, like they listened to him when he held back against Fiamma. His subconscious feelings of not hurting Misaka was a key factor here. And the whole of Academy City including Misaka would have been blown up anyways without the draconic intervention.
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@hazarddex
dude just dont bother with him
he is not even trying to understand

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look you want an answer ? read the light novel
thats it.
or go to wiki
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May 15, 2020 3:54 PM

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Abysswalker116 said:
hazarddex said:


Because he doesn't control it. He doesn't even know what it is or how it works.


Typical feature of an asspull.


Do you know how your brain actually works? Nobody does till now. Still we use it daily right?
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J.C.Staff did well with this episode and overall this arc. Just for the love of our dead god please keep up this quality.

Watashi wa a victim of cyberbullying. Everyday someone online calls me a "weeb" desu. Watashi won't stand for this. 26 percent of bullying victims are chosen due to their race or religion desu. I may look like a basic white boy, but deep down I am Nihongo desu. Watashi religion is anime. Anata wa bullying me because of my race and religion desu ka? Disgusting desu. Anata should be ashamed of yourself, racist pig. A baka gaijin like anata is probably jealous of my race and culture, cause Nippon is more sugoi than your shitty country desu. Watashi pity anata. You'll never be Nihongo like watashi. Educate yourself on nani a "weeb" is.
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Chikenfrieds said:


There is no powerup, animefag. These ARE Touma's powers, or at least a part of them. The concept behind these powers is nearly as old as when the series was first written. The Imagine Breaker was always there to hid/seal these powers. Unless that right hand got cut off. It's like opening Pandora's Box. You do not know what's inside.

Touma's 'dragon' against the alchemist was a clever move by the author to keep the readers guessing. An ambiguity was created which suggested either that Izzard was materializing it or Touma really unleashed something. Stiyl is not an useful source of info on Touma's arm. Only Aleister knows it apparently uptil now. Remember, how in Index season 1, Aleister teasingly asked Stiyl that if Deep Blood suggested that vampires exist, what would Imagine Breaker suggest? here be dragons


But did they explain before or now what these powers are? This is like ichigo and his multiple types of DNA, he got a new transformation because These ARE Ichigo powers. They will simply explain it later because it is convenient for the author to provoke artificial tension because if we knew what he really is capable of, nobody would have fun. If this were an isekai, surely everyone would criticize him for being fact of be another isekai where they give powers to the protagonist, but NOT It's better simply is the future where they give powers to the protagonist who already lives there


Index, especially the recent LN arcs are about discovering the explanation and reason behind these powers. Do you ever read mystery novels? Does everything get explained before or during they are shown?? This is not a video game where power stats are provided. Accelerator and Hamazura are protagonists too, so is Misaka. A couple of them has pseudo science behind their powers, and that doesn't irk you? Why would you assume that the protagonist should be someone we should know EVERYTHING about?

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo
May 15, 2020 4:08 PM

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Abysswalker116 said:
Laplace_kun said:


Do you know how your brain actually works? Nobody does till now. Still we use it daily right?


Well this is not a good comparison.

We use our brain in the same capacity every day. We don't suddenly become 100 Iq points smarter or whatever.


Your analogy doesn't make sense here. What has 100 iq points smarter got to do with anything here? I am speaking about something we have with us all the time, but do not know the intricate foundation of. Many of us use mobile phones without knowing its inner workings. And so many other gadgets. Touma's powers are like that. His multiple amnesia attacks doesn't help either, as they might have wiped out any possible existing knowledge about his powers. Higher -ups like Aleister use him. If he knew totally about his powers, that would have made him too OP for them to manipulate, right?

Index deals with three protagonists - Accelerator, who knows his powers, Hamazura who knows the lack of his powers, and Touma, who does not (mostly) know his powers. It is a great dynamic that works.
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Abysswalker116 said:
Laplace_kun said:


Do you know how your brain actually works? Nobody does till now. Still we use it daily right?


Well this is not a good comparison.

We use our brain in the same capacity every day. We don't suddenly become 100 Iq points smarter or whatever.

does a child know how his heart works?

it's not something he "got." it's something he always had. but didn't understand or know about it because it only happened once before and he was told to write it off as a hallucination despite his own misgivings.

also Made in Abyss robot boy has laser cannon doesn't know how he got it or why he has it, but he uses it anyway.

Abysswalker116 said:
hazarddex said:

also touma doesn't want to use such a power. which is why he rejected the invisible thing durring the fight with fiamma.


But he goes all out against his friend?


He was desperate at that point his imagine breaker had been ripped off, but he was desperate enough to reach out.

touma even says himself. "I’m not perfect. Even without a grand reason, I will think about reaching over to pick up a nearby gun if I’m in danger. "

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@hazarddex
dude just dont bother with him
he is not even trying to understand

@Abysswalker116
look you want an answer ? read the light novel
thats it.
or go to wiki


i am aware, but i can at least present a rational front to people trying to bash a series for the sake of bashing a series because they want to find fault with it
GrimAtramentMay 15, 2020 4:26 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

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Lol
The only one here who consistently gets an asspull power-ups is Accelerator.
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mission, protect the waifu, successful :D

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Elenme-chan42 said:
Lol
The only one here who consistently gets an asspull power-ups is Accelerator.


You literally just created ur account to post that, what is wrong with you people? LMAO
This anime community needs serious help, for real!
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Elenme-chan42 said:
Lol
The only one here who consistently gets an asspull power-ups is Accelerator.


i wouldn't say it's an asspull as it also gets explained. just not at the start because the toaru series is about discovering how these powers work.
your right it is a funny thing that people will attack touma on any little thing he does, but the second accelerator does it it's cool because hes edgy

and i say this as some one who likes accelerator

but i forget a lot of people these days don't like discovering and want everything handed to them from the gate.
GrimAtramentMay 15, 2020 4:34 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

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Elenme-chan42 said:
Lol
The only one here who consistently gets an asspull power-ups is Accelerator.


Congratulations on joining the server. I know this comment is probably a joke. But Accelerator becoming stronger with his character development and acquaintance with the magic side is actually poetically beautiful, even if people are too lazy/unwilling to research.

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Uiharu and Saten are the best wingwomen on anime. haha and Kuroko with the dropkick in the end was the real Dragon Strike!!

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Abysswalker116 said:
Laplace_kun said:


Your analogy doesn't make sense here. What has 100 iq points smarter got to do with anything here?


He miraculously pulls out a power, way stronger than we ever seen before, and destroys that sphere he could barely touch with his normal breaker. This is the equivalent of someone getting smarter and solving a math problem they didn't know how to solve before. (I'm not the one who started the brain analogy)

I wouldn't have a problem, if he used the one Dragonarm we had seen before to destroy the sphere.
The capacity we see in this episode is just way over the top for me to just brush it off with: "It was always in him."
Especially when he doesn't know how it works himself.


your goal post shifting.

you go from "him having dragon arm period is problem."

to

"i wouldn't have problem if it was just the one."

except when he attacks it starts out with the one to show the viewer that 1. the dragon is real and not a hallucination.

and 2 that there is more then one.

also why would he know how it works? again IT ONLY COMES OUT WHEN HIS ARM IS CUT OFF. which has only happened 3 times anime side.


we already knew that when his arm gets cut off another power activates w'ave known that for a while. pleases remember this arc was made while NT was much further in.
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Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

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Incredible episode!!

Been a while since we last seen a dragon come out of Touma's right arm! It was damn glorious!! Together with Gunha, he managed to stop Misaka going berserk! What a solid conclusion to this arc backed up with great animation!! Railgun does it once again!! I do love the priority in Animation though, Dragon hand drawn, Flags CGI! Tnx JC Staff!!

Incredible shot!


Good to see Kongou back in good health as well! Her and the other two side characters, Awatsuki & Wannai, really deserve more attention and/or screen time! They made quite an impact in this arc and I hope they will get more time to shine in a later arc! That Kongou blush was freaking adorable!!

Misaka praising Shokuhou for being a great help in her own way of justice, suggesting that over time they could get along really well, until the point where she realized what altered memories she put into everyone!! XD

However, again with the altering of memories... Sigh, still gonna wait for the day that everyone knows (a bit of) the truth!!

Oh Saten, never change! Such a wingman! That ending was just brilliant, the side of Railgun I also love a lot!
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Kaiser_Senpai said:
Elenme-chan42 said:
Lol
The only one here who consistently gets an asspull power-ups is Accelerator.


You literally just created ur account to post that, what is wrong with you people? LMAO
This anime community needs serious help, for real!
lmao!
Somehow, you made me smile with that comment.
And yeah, you're right. I seriously need some help.
Though I've been lurking in this community for years now.
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Abysswalker116 said:
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your goal post shifting.

you go from "him having dragon arm period is problem."

I never said, wrote or thought that.


my bad Nitpicky is the word. if he has one dragon arm why is it suddenly now an asspull when he gets more.

one dragon okay, but more? "Oh not that's insanity how dare touma's arm contain more of the same!"it's been fairly constant with the dragon theme. the dragon's breath is introduced in index s1 dragons are also briefly mention to how they fit in the world.

a later OT volume dives into a short story on them

the dragon arc again establishes how important they are.

same with the british royal family arc mentions them

please remember these were written BEFORE this arc even if this arc takes place before it. chronologically.

also again you've not responded to my made in abyss comparison.
GrimAtramentMay 15, 2020 5:01 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

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Abysswalker116 said:
hazarddex said:


my bad Nitpicky is the word. if he has one dragon arm why is it suddenly now an asspull when he gets more.

one dragon okay, but more? "Oh not thats insanity how dare they have more of the same!"it's been fairly constant with the dragon theme.

also again you've not responded to my made in abyss comparison.


Call it nitpicky I don't care. I didn't like it. Also my original comment said: it FELT like an asspull. He gets basically a 8x power up in a series where this is not standard. This is one minute of the episode I didn't like, I don't understand why you're so hung up about it.


And Reg's cannon is the equivalent of Touma's normal imagine breaker, he literally gets introduced with that power + it has a heavy drawback for him to use it.


because it's not 8x hes still very week as nt will show.
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Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

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More flashy Touma shit that I won't get because I didn't read the book and forget literally everything that ever happens in Index the second I'm done watching it.

Aaaaand they've done it again, made it so Kuroko has no idea what is going on. I get that they don't want to disrupt the status quo but it bugs me how Kuroko (and Saten and Weeharu) are never allowed to know about anything important. I want to hear Kuroko's take on Misaka's ten thousand dead clones damnit.
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YEARS I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS, AND THEY DID NOT DISSAPOINT

Somebody please let the Railgun staff of JC handle NT and then maybe people will understand that Index > Railgun and the fact that Touma is a superb MC
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So, after a new brake due to corona-chan, Mikoto is back.

What a beautiful episode! Misaka and Touma shipping is good shipping, I loved how Uiharu and Saten help her dance with him at the end of the episode and the beautiful conversation they have.
And, of course, needless to say when she is saved by Touma, and offers her again where to lean. It's great how well you empathize with the characters of this series, great adaptation of JC, without doubt this series is my favorite of spring 2020
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Thank Kuroko for kicking that guy and save us from this desperation ship.
Kuroko's flat chested yuri route is the only viable one here.

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Can Touma unleash the dragon anytime he want at will or he still don't know how to control it?
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Misaka is back, finally!

Great episode, especially with that ending xD
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Tsukkomii said:
Was not expecting the fight to end within the first minute but that cut with Touma’s dragons was pretty awesome. Too bad the anime adaptation of Index doesn’t do so well to explain this.

Honestly, Kongou has been one of the best characters this whole season so far. That was an amazing moment between her and Misaka.

And Saten coming in as the best wingman. I genuinely want more moments between Touma and the Railgun crew; it’s so awkward but so great at the same time.

And next week is looking to conclude the whole debacle with Mitori and Misaki, hope to see some more on her past.


Eh, the anime isn't at fault here, there's literally no concrete explanation to give you, even now there only remains theories about Touma's arm
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Yes, its back... Hahaha... Love this episode
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Is this the best Railgun arc in your opinion? I hope future arc as good as this. Light novel/manga reader, will there be better arc than this in future?
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But did they explain before or now what these powers are? This is like ichigo and his multiple types of DNA, he got a new transformation because These ARE Ichigo powers. They will simply explain it later because it is convenient for the author to provoke artificial tension because if we knew what he really is capable of, nobody would have fun. If this were an isekai, surely everyone would criticize him for being fact of be another isekai where they give powers to the protagonist, but NOT It's better simply is the future where they give powers to the protagonist who already lives there


Index, especially the recent LN arcs are about discovering the explanation and reason behind these powers. Do you ever read mystery novels? Does everything get explained before or during they are shown?? This is not a video game where power stats are provided. Accelerator and Hamazura are protagonists too, so is Misaka. A couple of them has pseudo science behind their powers, and that doesn't irk you? Why would you assume that the protagonist should be someone we should know EVERYTHING about?



The mystery novels aim to solve a crime, not try to justify why this character is so powerful At what point has the "mystery" about the touma power become the main objective here? the characters don't seem to care because afterwards they return to their normal lives without having changed anything in them, In Index they are always explaining everything concept, how magic works or how the ESP powers works, but coincidentally the powers of the protagonist is the only thing that never explain.
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Abysswalker116 said:
As someone who's only seen the anime, and didn't know what to expect, the multiple Dragonheads just felt like a complete asspull and I didn't like that at all.

Otherwise good episode, especially the part with Kongo.


It is an unavoidable consequence of Railgun being a side story to Index.

In Railgun S, during the sister's arc, the anime team added scenes from the Index Novel that weren't in the manga to show anime only viewers how Touma found out about the Level 6 Shift project. Unfortunately, since Touma is a minor character in Railgun, there is no good way to give anime viewer knowledge about what happens when Touma's right hand gets cut off without it being completely out of place.
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Laplace_kun said:
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GOSH seriously, how to basic are the indexfags to get excited about a nonsense power up, that instead of criticizing it, they praise it as if it were a wonder, when the nekketsu has been doing it for decades and is criticized when its executed poorly.


@hazarddex on that occasion stiyl gave the explanation that the dragon was the form of the despair that Aureolus had felt which was a coherent explanation because the alchemist could materialize his thoughts, but if in the end it turned out to be a deception so that we did not think it was a deus ex machina. I only give him credit for having hidden that asspull.


Touma's 'dragon' against the alchemist was a clever move by the author to keep the readers guessing. An ambiguity was created which suggested either that Izzard was materializing it or Touma really unleashed something. Stiyl is not an useful source of info on Touma's arm. Only Aleister knows it apparently uptil now. Remember, how in Index season 1, Aleister teasingly asked Stiyl that if Deep Blood suggested that vampires exist, what would Imagine Breaker suggest? here be dragons


Thanks for the explanation, so the reason why anime viewers don't really know too much about this is because anime didn't went deep with this theme...

I have a question, Touma knows about this power? At this time he'd only used it once in Index s1 but it was supposed like to be an illusion or an extension of IB "real powers". Is he conceit that when loosing his arm some power might emerge from it or it was random that he used the dragons in this ep?

thanks again
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I really need to get into the Certain Magical Index series, even though I saw the previous Railgun seasons I'm still lost lol
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Laplace_kun said:


Touma's 'dragon' against the alchemist was a clever move by the author to keep the readers guessing. An ambiguity was created which suggested either that Izzard was materializing it or Touma really unleashed something. Stiyl is not an useful source of info on Touma's arm. Only Aleister knows it apparently uptil now. Remember, how in Index season 1, Aleister teasingly asked Stiyl that if Deep Blood suggested that vampires exist, what would Imagine Breaker suggest? here be dragons


Thanks for the explanation, so the reason why anime viewers don't really know too much about this is because anime didn't went deep with this theme...

I have a question, Touma knows about this power? At this time he'd only used it once in Index s1 but it was supposed like to be an illusion or an extension of IB "real powers". Is he conceit that when loosing his arm some power might emerge from it or it was random that he used the dragons in this ep?

thanks again


The reason why the anime doesn't go "deep" with it is mostly because the arcs it covered wasn't really about it, although yes if you watched Index 3's final few episodes you'd know Touma is at least aware of whatever is within is arm.
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I really need to get into the Certain Magical Index series, even though I saw the previous Railgun seasons I'm still lost lol


That's the nature of it being a side story really, it's made to supplement stuff in Index not be a standalone, same thing applies to all of it's side story entries like Accelerator and the other manga ones.
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Stop trying to explain anything to Railgun-anime only. They even think this is a power up, don't bother to reason with them.
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Goddamn, Touma's right arm was cut off even before the events of Index 3? He sure has it rough
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I really need to get into the Certain Magical Index series, even though I saw the previous Railgun seasons I'm still lost lol
read the novels anime cut out to much
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NHS-KEMISH said:


Thanks for the explanation, so the reason why anime viewers don't really know too much about this is because anime didn't went deep with this theme...

I have a question, Touma knows about this power? At this time he'd only used it once in Index s1 but it was supposed like to be an illusion or an extension of IB "real powers". Is he conceit that when loosing his arm some power might emerge from it or it was random that he used the dragons in this ep?

thanks again


The reason why the anime doesn't go "deep" with it is mostly because the arcs it covered wasn't really about it, although yes if you watched Index 3's final few episodes you'd know Touma is at least aware of whatever is within is arm.


yeah I know he is aware after s3, he even might be aware since the beginning (reading the LN readers comments sounds like that, maybe not aware but knowing his arm has more power than the IB). But before this incident on Railgun did he know about this powers? Because this will be the second time he manifested this "true power"...
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Holy smokes!

What a great and beautiful this episode!
from 10/10 imma give this a 11/10 this whole arc.

Animation was still spectacular af looks like
J.C Staff have unlimited budget when it comes to Railgun Series.

I had goosebumps on that Sogita's scene damn, also i didnt know that Touma had a power like that looks like i miss something in past seasons.

I'm gladly to take Saten to a dance xD
what a genius to let Misaka take her place to dance with Touma xD

Also Kuroko back in being in a wheelchair again lmao

5/5 episode

P. S Kongo's blushing was so fucking pretty
then tsundere Misaka was cute af
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it is a very pragmatic situation, she gets more power and gets out of control, touma gets more power to solve everything.
Do you know what is really disappointing about this?
Misaka, when she tries to do something alone, fails and is to blame for the disaster for not asking her friends for help.
Seriously, while Touma does everything on his own, yet he always wins, always solves the problem, it's surprising that the JC staff always strives to make Misaka look great, but she has never shown anything worthy of that Merit. With the accelerator she couldn't even touch it, now she had to be rescued again by Touma, in the WW3 arc where she couldn't even rescue Touma because he doesn't need her at all she's a nuisance to Touma, but she depends seems on him.

it's amazing how suddenly the whole series conspired against she turning her into a useless pathetic, dragged and ridiculous weak damsel in distress without a reason for this to happen.
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Glad this EP wasnt delayed further! I hope we are back on track now.

We got to see the dragons which wasnt even that fleshed out in Index IIRC. Though the fight was a bit disappointing.

Saten continues to be best girl and sets up the best ship.

Really Misaka x Touma scenes are always 10/10 and here Misaka was extra cute
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Seriously, while Touma does everything on his own, yet he always wins, always solves the problem

Opinion discarded, Touma never accomplish anything by himself. He always has other helping him.
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Seriously, while Touma does everything on his own, yet he always wins, always solves the problem

Opinion discarded, Touma never accomplish anything by himself. He always has other helping him.


it is not an opinion it is a fact that whenever a problem occurs he defeats the main villain and rarely the help of others is crucial, seriously this arc takes away gunha or kuroko and the result would be the same.
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Tiau said:


The reason why the anime doesn't go "deep" with it is mostly because the arcs it covered wasn't really about it, although yes if you watched Index 3's final few episodes you'd know Touma is at least aware of whatever is within is arm.


yeah I know he is aware after s3, he even might be aware since the beginning (reading the LN readers comments sounds like that, maybe not aware but knowing his arm has more power than the IB). But before this incident on Railgun did he know about this powers? Because this will be the second time he manifested this "true power"...

He was somewhat aware of what happened in the second arc, we do not know if he knew since the beginning of the series it's the second time we've seen the dragons timeline wise but not the 2nd time within the entire series. You have to keep in mind that Railgun adds things to connect with the latest Index arcs, but not timeline wise.



RayReynolds said:

Opinion discarded, Touma never accomplish anything by himself. He always has other helping him.


it is not an opinion it is a fact that whenever a problem occurs he defeats the main villain and rarely the help of others is crucial, seriously this arc takes away gunha or kuroko and the result would be the same.


If Gunha wasn't there Touma would've died when the ball of rubble was going to fall and kill him. He always gets help in his fights, even with Accelerator
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Stop trying to explain anything to Railgun-anime only. They even think this is a power up, don't bother to reason with them.


Honestly, I won't even reply anymore. I give calm arguments, and they just hold their ground stubbornly, going back to square one. If they refuse to accept what is right, and remain with their conservative approach, let them be. And I was actually trying to help them because not everyone can waste their time , like reading 40+ novels and even the Railgun manga. Picking up on Touma has become a unique trait of these people, and that makes it look even more pathetic. They refuse to accept logic or reason. They take facts as defensive arguments. And they are still adopting that childish mentality of being fascinated by power-levels and expecting everything to go as they want it to be. They even criticize the author without reading his work, when they haven't got the least sense of how simple things like plot development, character depth or world building works. Or they just know these things very well, but holding onto their opinions for satisfying their blind ego...

I mean you have all the right to have your own opinions. But there is a way of doing that, without blaming the creator, inserting wrong/forgotten information (which might confuse other anime-onlys) and not pointing out what was actually wrong. I mean, in my original post I did say that the episode felt rushed. And the way Index adaptation was done, there are many who would simply take Touma as that 'black haired generic Mc whom we should know everything about because we are supposed to self-insert into him'. So they could have said that this moment felt unearned in the anime, which is correct criticism. This could have been pointed out as a narrative mediocrity. More funny is the thing is that if any other character like Misaka or Accelerator does something like this, without any logic, they will just accept it like 'oh so coooool' and 'wow so OP'.
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the dragons remind me of Flame of Recca haha
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