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| Askeladd gave hes life to protect hes homeland!! And to crown the new king!! RIP old man!! And in the end I give it 7/10 Which is a damn good score for this type of anime that I rarely watch or are practically found of!!! But overall Its was entertaining!! Going to watch season 2 when it comes!! |
Yuri-CrusaderDec 31, 2019 4:11 PM
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RealTheAbsurdist said: Tag it @yajuta. He is the one like who is ignoring all good points even which keragamming said.I don't understand a lot of the criticism this anime has: The visuals Yes, I agree the CG is bad, but it's not as abundant as it could have been. Yes, the animation (movement) isn't freaking amazing, but then again, most anime, including critically acclaimed ones like Berserk 1997, Monster, don't show characters moving as much. Canute's transformation I agree his personality took a 180, but him doubting God was already something that was being built up in previous episodes. Either way, this sudden transformation only happened to one character, so I don't see it as a huge flaw. The Naruto running Was only in one tiny insignificant scene Some dialogue about hard mode I don't remember this line of dialogue. If it did happen, then it's probably because of bad translation. Either way, criticizing an anime based on one dumb line of dialogue, and one small ridiculous running scene is nitpicking for the sake of it. Characters acting Japanese How? Most anime characters don't act Japanese, because they're exaggerated. Japanese culture is very down-to-Earth, passive, polite, something that most anime characters don't act like. Thorfinn becoming stagnant after a while I understand this criticism, and to a degree I even agree with it. However, I think we all forgot that Thorfinn throughout the anime, had doubts about his goal for revenge, evidenced by the dream sequence of his dad telling him not to pursue revenge. He was aware himself that what he was doing was going against everything his father wanted him to be. As others have pointed out, Thorfinn's relationship with Askeladd is more complicated than just wanting to kill him: he sees Askeladd somewhat as a father figure. The very last scene supports this especially: when Thorfinn looks at Canute, his expression shows despair; as though his world was destroyed...literally. Thorfinn's quest for revenge had dominated his mindset for so long, that Askeladd became his reality. Besides, after a while, this arc became a lot more focused on Askeladd, Canute, and the story, rather than Thorfinn. Thors' ideals going against the time period he's in There have always been people, including today, whose ways of thinking goes against what is socially acceptable. Thors' being a boring character He was a very moral, but stoic (which is a personality trait) guy, but I can kind of understand this criticism. However, I did read a review of Vinland Saga that countered this argument by explaining the other subtle details of Thors' personality, so I'll have to rewatch the first 3 episodes. The anime original scenes I thought actually added a lot to the story. Especially the scene with Leif and Thorfinn near the end. Many people probably believe it was pointless to have Thorfinn join Leif, only to abandon him for revenge. But that's the thing about actual people: they don't permanently change. Sometimes we relapse into our old bad habits. A struggling drug addict may quit drugs for a while, only to relapse. I think it's a very human touch. Thors expecting pirates, Askeladd's band, to keep their promise They were Vikings, warriors, who were expected to uphold their promises, in their time period. It's later established that Askeladd is a Viking who hates Vikings: meaning his character was designed to be a Viking, while going against what is considered to be a Viking. Thors believing that killing people makes you as bad as them I don't think he ever said anything like this. Vinland Saga has exaggerated, unrealistic violence Plenty of historical anime are exaggerated. Maria and the Virgin Witch is set in the 100 Years War, yet has overpowered witches who dress like JRPG characters. I haven't heard anyone criticize it for this. Vinland Saga is exploitative How is Berserk, which has off screen, and on screen rape, the Eclipse, rape horse, religious fanatics who horribly torture people, and all sorts of other messed up stuff, yet Vinland Saga, which only has implied rape, pillaging and killing of innocents (which makes perfect sense for this story, as its about Vikings, who did that kind of stuff), blood (it's about Vikings and war, of course there's going to be plenty of blood), is exploitative? The Berserk manga's very first panel opens up with Guts having sex with a woman, only for that woman to turn into a demon, leading to Guts blasting her face with his cannon. A scene that had absolutely no consequence to the story. Overall I feel as though most of the criticism towards Vinland Saga is just nitpicking. |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
ducsoup said: umm. I don't really get the last ep where the guys are traveling? Like I think how Thorfinn dropped the sword is him becoming a true warrior? but not the traveling part because I could not recognize them Not necessarily becoming a true warrior. The dropping of the sword is more symbolic of the fact that, with Askeladd now dead and his need to avenge his father now gone, he's abandoning how he used to be as a person and developing into something else going forward. The travelling part is just foreshadowing characters who are due to appear in Thorfinn's story later. |
| I read the manga back In early April, and man the anime made me fall in love all over again. I just love Askeladd's character so much. Prologue arc is just too good because of Askeladd. |
| A good ending and series, which happily proved my doubts wrong. Got to say, I'm very hopeful that a new season will be created. Well, at least if you have the thought process of "well, the bad Berserk got another one", so I'm feeling rather optimistic. It was nice having a show like this for the end of the year. Dark, historical, with some nice action here and there, with some interesting characters thrown into that chaos known as the time of Vikings. And holy shit, Askeladd, was awesome as heck, probably my favourite character from this season. Basically a more manly... MUCH more manly Griffith. His (and everyone else's) look after he murdered the king. He looked like a roman hero (albeit an insane one) when fending off those guys. Maybe that whole "he'll come back and lead us" hero prophesy was true after all, eh? |
| "You know you've reached peak quality when a doujin is better than the actual source series." (Eg. To LOVE-Ru) Just to list a couple of biases. Likes: A good story, characters, writing, romance, a good plot twist or something that breaks expectations (In a good way), 'backstory' and justice. Dislikes: Bad romance, too much fanservice, the harem genre, yuri, yaoi, and bad writing. |
| What a savage ending to a savage show. I did not picture Askeladd's death to be anything like that, or anything so soon too, and the fact that all of these 24 episodes, all of this build-up and everything was just a prologue, I think it's time Vinland started making it into the story. Hopefully with a second season. The voice acting at the end was spectacular, Thorfinn both screaming of rage and at the same time spreads subtle noises as if he was about to start crying before he remembers that the only feelings he had for Askeladds were anger and a target of receiving, or was he? |
122dragon122 said: who is the guys at the end seen in the see and the mountain ? I don't recognize them ?! You are not even supposed to recognize them, unless you are a manga reader They will most likely appear in the future season |
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cchigu said: emraanash said: Vinland Saga is not only clear-cut best anime of 2019, but it might also be the best anime of the whole decade, in terms of writing. Except for Gintama(2011), Gintama(2015), 3-gatsu no Lion and HxH, I can't think of any other anime being better. But I would admit that there are many anime better than VS in terms of other small stuff like animation and whatnot but they all fall flat when compared to the writing of VS.if I had to say it you don't belong in anime community....... you can like vinland saga I don't have problem with that I am just saying its overrated. Yeah right Gintama and HxH the famous shonen with top tier anime writings of the decade on par with a classic seinen like Vinland Saga Jokes aside, Ping Pong/Tatami Galaxy/Shinsekai Yori would be on par |
| of course Thorfinn wouldn't understand what Prince Canute really is saying... he's, once again, blinded by revenge. now that Askeladd is dead, Thorfinn pretty much lost his father (figure) twice. If only this whole thing happened elsewhere where only those on their side is present, then they wouldn't have to act out all this bs and Canute wouldn't have to order Askeladd's death... |
Whayle said: "best" is subjective. You may think Vinland Saga is the best, others may think SAO is the best, and I may think Code Geass and BEASTARS are the best. Arguing what is the best will never end well. Y'all should respect other's opinions and leave it at that. We'll never come to a conclusion if we have to agree on a single "best" anime.cchigu said: Vinland Saga is not only clear-cut best anime of 2019, but it might also be the best anime of the whole decade, in terms of writing. Except for Gintama(2011), Gintama(2015), 3-gatsu no Lion and HxH, I can't think of any other anime being better. But I would admit that there are many anime better than VS in terms of other small stuff like animation and whatnot but they all fall flat when compared to the writing of VS. Yeah right Gintama and HxH the famous shonen with top tier anime writings of the decade on par with a classic seinen like Vinland Saga Jokes aside, Ping Pong/Tatami Galaxy/Shinsekai Yori would be on par |
| Just finished this series and I have to say wow, that was a terrible ending. The show went from about 9/10 to 7/10 with just that ending alone. The whole show was seemingly about the personal development of the main character and yet it ends with him being this ugly, beaten, slobbering, mad dog. Then there's a short montage of random nonsense and its over? Thorfinn is almost like some irrelevant side character by the end of this show. Suddenly its all about Askeladd and Canute who apparently gets possessed by a ghost half way through the show and completely switches into a different personality. Not impressed with that ending at all, if there's a season 2 its got a long way to go to make up for it. |
MightySheep said: Just finished this series and I have to say wow, that was a terrible ending. The show went from about 9/10 to 7/10 with just that ending alone. The whole show was seemingly about the personal development of the main character and yet it ends with him being this ugly, beaten, slobbering, mad dog. Then there's a short montage of random nonsense and its over? Thorfinn is almost like some irrelevant side character by the end of this show. Suddenly its all about Askeladd and Canute who apparently gets possessed by a ghost half way through the show and completely switches into a different personality. Not impressed with that ending at all, if there's a season 2 its got a long way to go to make up for it. Well that's his personal development. Thorfinn loses the object of his vengeance which opens up for him to finally grow as a person. The season finale simply ends at the prologue for a perfect cliffhanger ending just like how the manga did it. |
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| I won't say much aside from that I sense a bright future for this series, better than Shingeki no Kyojin. 9 |
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MightySheep said: Just finished this series and I have to say wow, that was a terrible ending. The show went from about 9/10 to 7/10 with just that ending alone. The whole show was seemingly about the personal development of the main character and yet it ends with him being this ugly, beaten, slobbering, mad dog. Then there's a short montage of random nonsense and its over? Thorfinn is almost like some irrelevant side character by the end of this show. Suddenly its all about Askeladd and Canute who apparently gets possessed by a ghost half way through the show and completely switches into a different personality. Not impressed with that ending at all, if there's a season 2 its got a long way to go to make up for it. Thorfinn being a brat that's too blinded by revenge to think clearly is the entire point of his character in this prolouge. It's setup for the immense amount of character development he recieves in the next arc. Also, how was the flashback/recap sequence "random nonsense"? |
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ASTRO999 said: Ah, I see now. You just don't have a real grasp on the definition of the word "protagonist" and I'm going to guess not on "deuteragonist" either. He's an anti-villain (not anti-hero) but the villain protagonist. OK, we're done here.MetaKite said: No. Ask yourself if Askeladd is an ani-hero, what does that make Thorfinn? Askeladd's a villain protagonist. thorfinn was MC in first half, in the second half he moved to background in favor of askelad and the prince Canute. welcum2savage said: This so much! They don't understand this was set up for the major character development he goes through in the future.Smh ppl calling thorfinn a bad character bc of his one dimensionality as if that isnt the intention with his character. Maybe youre supposed to hate thorfinn? It baffles me that ppl have one criteria for a well written character. "Muh they have to be developed and likeable with a big sad backstory and nuance". Characters should be judged based on how they service the narrative and themes, they shouldnt be judged in a vacuum. Thorfinn is supposed to show what happens when you put a shonen charcter in a seinen series where shit doesnt always go your way, such is life. Its the same with eren yeager or gon freecs. Their initial simplicity becomes their greatest strength as characters. (I know hxh is technically 'shounen' but u get my point. The world of hxh isnt exactly kind or forgiving, its realistic) |
MetaKiteJan 3, 2020 8:07 AM
CaptainFekezu said: emraanash said: Yeah that's probably true as I like always explanations as why something is better or worse. The anime is in no way perfect because of the CGI battles and ships not even mentioning how they voyld have handled the different languages but if we look at where it sits right now in the top tv series I could not say it is overrated. Some people may have more of a problem with the CGI than I had even when I have read the manga. As a Berserk fan too this was still close to the best possible outcome.if I had to say it you don't belong in anime community....... you can like vinland saga I don't have problem with that I am just saying its overrated. I can't fully appreciate slice of life sport shows like haikuyy because I have no interest in the sport itself but I can why many do(I prefer real martial arts). I still enjoy the stories but not the matches itself. March comes like a lion is almost the same because I know nothing about shogi but still see beauty in it as a guy who plays a lot of chess. However I can't stand the main character because of the weakling type attitude in the start(took me three years to get back to wating the series. I can't stand Dragon ball Z or Super because of my martial arts background but still I can see why many would enjoy it. It just depends on the person watching what is overrated etc. Still there are the series that can be identified as bad in storytelling or production values. For example sword art online/a lot of isekai/a lot of rom-coms and Berserk 2016/One punch man season 2/ 7 deadly sins season 3. Some of them have a charm to them and can be called enjoyable or quilty pleasure rather than being good or bad. yeah, you are talking about perspective I am also talking about the same thing. I don't like VS because the philosophy of the show doesn't add up.. you can like it I don't judge... |
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dvb15 said: Sigh... So in the begging of the anime Askeladd was shown as the smart and pragmatic man who don't care about principles, and teaching Thorfinn how to control his anger in unplesent situation, but then in the last episode he became like the armature, stupid Thorfinn?!! Askeladd have no problem killing an entire village, but when it comes to his mother land it become a no no and lose his temper?! let's say they attack wales, they will kill resident obviously (like he will ever care) but he's mother grave that he is so attached to will still be there, they will not gonna nuke the land!! What i am trying to say is that, Askeladd in the end was not the Askeladd from the begging of the show (I give Yukimura a minus in that). The direction of the last minute was amazing though. I found him to be the exact character he was at the start as he was at the end. Our context around his wants and needs chaged though so your perception of his actions did as well. Remember that he asked Thors to lead them right at the start. |
| What a fitting death for Asketladd Thorfinn got his dad killed by being in the way and distracting him and forever took that blame out on Asketladd. So he finally got his revenge and killed him by being in the way and distracting him and letting him get killed. I honestly hated Thorfinn from the beginning, he grew on me a little but it was actually rather satisfying seeing him not get his desired duel to the death. Askeladd though was a great character, he will be missed. Fantastic ending~ |
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| Fuck how the fuck did Askeladd die man... he was the best part of the show. Big task to fill in the void he left for Canute and Thorfinn |
| Askeladd, The King Slayer. HOLY FUCKING SHIT it's just a PROLOGUE?! |
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| I'm really sad about what happened to this anime, and I think I'm the only one who feels this way, but I just have to say Canute ruined this show. I loved it and had it as a 10/10 all the way up until around episode 18, when that garbage character ruined the show for me, pretty much just because they had to put him almost in every scene. Just why? wasn't the whole up until that part about Askeladd vs Thorfinn? Why was it necessary to put a Damsel-in-distress type of character in the show? I'm just sad I wasn't able to enjoy the show because of one character. Maybe I'll just rewatch the show and skip the scenes he's in v_v |
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| I kinda knew this was coming, but still hurt to see Askeladd die - he was my fav character of the series hope we'll get a season 2 |
Otaakuu said: I'm really sad about what happened to this anime, and I think I'm the only one who feels this way, but I just have to say Canute ruined this show. I loved it and had it as a 10/10 all the way up until around episode 18, when that garbage character ruined the show for me, pretty much just because they had to put him almost in every scene. Just why? wasn't the whole up until that part about Askeladd vs Thorfinn? Why was it necessary to put a Damsel-in-distress type of character in the show? I'm just sad I wasn't able to enjoy the show because of one character. Maybe I'll just rewatch the show and skip the scenes he's in v_v I mean we have opinions, but one thing is for certain is that Canute isn't a damsel in distress type character. Does post-awakening Canute have too much ambition for you? I'm curious in particular in what makes you in particular dislike Canute? His personality? His dream? His enlightenment? My perspective believes that you're overreacting, is he that bad? I don't see anything inherently bad and I see him as beneficial to the thematics of the show. |
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Elucid said: I mean we have opinions, but one thing is for certain is that Canute isn't a damsel in distress type character. Does post-awakening Canute have too much ambition for you? I'm curious in particular in what makes you in particular dislike Canute? His personality? His dream? His enlightenment? My perspective believes that you're overreacting, is he that bad? I don't see anything inherently bad and I see him as beneficial to the thematics of the show. mohrip said: One thing that makes me know some people hate Canute is just because how he changes all of a sudden, but I don't know why you hate him from the beginning? I mean, it's kinda fun to know others perspective (as long as you know the reason and actually criticize this rather than says it's overrated). Maybe because he's the chosen one, or arrogant? Or he was a cry baby at the beginning? I didn't hate the character when he first appeared but I hated how the character does not at all resemble a real person. He ridiculously he changed his personality just out of the blue and starts acting important all of a sudden when he is not. He never seemed to care about the crown and the war, and then just, poof, "I want to be king". And then just because of this, the show stopped being about thorfinn vs askeladd, and is now just a my-father-never-loved-me-so-I-want-revenge type of story. He completely destroys the narrative that the show had build created up to that point |
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| Really liked this season, solid 9/10 until the last episode. Lowered to 7/10. It felt like dragging in the end, Askeladd took 5 minutes to die which in my opinion lowered impact it had on Thorfinn and it also ended on sort of cliffhanger which I absolutely fucking hate. Nevertheless, hope there's going to be 2nd season. Don't see any reason why Thorfinn would stay anywhere close to Canute now that Askeladd is dead. His one and only motivation in life was killing Askeladd in a duel. He lived just for that. I know there's manga which I could pick up to see where the story goes, but frankly, I wish it's 2 different stories. One of Thorfinn and one of Canute. They both have great stories which can be developed further, I just feel like having them together would be forcing their connection. Canute might have liked Thorfinn at first, but Thorfinn didn't give two shits about him in the past, don't see why he'd start now. |
nina4life said: Did you forget anything that Askeladd said to Thorfinn before he died? That was the impact dude, come on, you're being impatient. Five minutes ain't much tho.Really liked this season, solid 9/10 until the last episode. Lowered to 7/10. It felt like dragging in the end, Askeladd took 5 minutes to die which in my opinion lowered impact it had on Thorfinn and it also ended on sort of cliffhanger which I absolutely fucking hate. Nevertheless, hope there's going to be 2nd season. Don't see any reason why Thorfinn would stay anywhere close to Canute now that Askeladd is dead. His one and only motivation in life was killing Askeladd in a duel. He lived just for that. I know there's manga which I could pick up to see where the story goes, but frankly, I wish it's 2 different stories. One of Thorfinn and one of Canute. They both have great stories which can be developed further, I just feel like having them together would be forcing their connection. Canute might have liked Thorfinn at first, but Thorfinn didn't give two shits about him in the past, don't see why he'd start now. Otaakuu said: Elucid said: I mean we have opinions, but one thing is for certain is that Canute isn't a damsel in distress type character. Does post-awakening Canute have too much ambition for you? I'm curious in particular in what makes you in particular dislike Canute? His personality? His dream? His enlightenment? My perspective believes that you're overreacting, is he that bad? I don't see anything inherently bad and I see him as beneficial to the thematics of the show. mohrip said: One thing that makes me know some people hate Canute is just because how he changes all of a sudden, but I don't know why you hate him from the beginning? I mean, it's kinda fun to know others perspective (as long as you know the reason and actually criticize this rather than says it's overrated). Maybe because he's the chosen one, or arrogant? Or he was a cry baby at the beginning? I didn't hate the character when he first appeared but I hated how the character does not at all resemble a real person. He ridiculously he changed his personality just out of the blue and starts acting important all of a sudden when he is not. He never seemed to care about the crown and the war, and then just, poof, "I want to be king". And then just because of this, the show stopped being about thorfinn vs askeladd, and is now just a my-father-never-loved-me-so-I-want-revenge type of story. He completely destroys the narrative that the show had build created up to that point Ok, I'm going to reference a friend of mine's argument regarding this. Canute's development is a progressive one supported by previous plot implications regarding his character as a whole: "Maybe the anime shoud've emphasized it more, but the point is that in episode 13 there's attention being paid to Canute's character in a subtle way. At first I remembered it as Canute merely stepping up for himself but there's more meaning conveyed. In his quarrel with Thorfinn, he speaks of his importance as a royal in political conflict and presents himself with confidence, which means he usually puts on a (cowardice) public persona (due to Ragnar's shilling and his own disinterest) but has always been self-aware, knowledgeable and capable of upholding different attitudes. I thought this was obvious because he is a prince, but now there's objective evidence. Through Ragnar's inner monologue we get to know Canute usually only interacts with him that way. The more obvious foreshadowing is in episode 15, during the priest's prayer Canute gets an outburst when the words ''Father, I doubt your love'' come out because it reminds him of his real father's (lack of) love for him. In the kitchen scenes we again see Canute has always been self-aware of this, more objective evidence he's always been a smart boi. Now for 18 episode, as we all know Ragnar died (the one who sheltered him and his real father figure), he had a philosophical/theological debate with the priest, two armies were fighting a meaningless battle over him because the King wanted him killed anway, it's a chaotic situation and his sudden awakening makes complete sense from a story perspective. Nothing is forced and no asspulls. Personally I was in love with episode 18, couldn't care less about Thorfinn vs Thorkell not being the highlight. Strongest 180 I've ever seen in anime. Askeladd getting a boner and Thorkell seeing Thors in his eyes in ep 19 made it complete." |
ElucidJan 4, 2020 4:31 PM
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RealTheAbsurdist said: I don't understand a lot of the criticism this anime has: [...] Overall I feel as though most of the criticism towards Vinland Saga is just nitpicking. Some of them are indeed not that important, but there is some criticism you only partly mentioned which is not just nitpicking. Some examples: Canute's rather rushed transformation, the concept of love / pseudo christian teaching by monk, Thorkell (cartoonish character). Still, great episode 9/10 Overall: solid anime 7/10 |
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RealTheAbsurdist said: I forgot and didn't quite understand peoples' problem with the concept of love and pseudo Christian teaching by the monk. The monks' and Canutes' idea of love was accepting everybody, even your enemies. [...] I haven't seen anyone criticize Thorkell for being too cartoonish, although I can certainly understand the sentiment, I don't feel Thorkell is TOO cartoonish, and his exaggerated personality acts as a nice contrast to the dark story. For Thorkell: that's what i criticize, i don't like his portrayal in the anime... compared to other characters he is rather immature or let's say underdeveloped. The problem of the monk is that his teaching is not actually christian teaching, its just a (weak) plot device for Canute's transformation. |
| Ego = 1 / Knowledge | "More the Knowledge Lesser the Ego, Lesser the Knowledge More the Ego." Albert Einstein My ratings: |
| I was expecting this ending to be rather underwhelming, but I couldn't have been more wrong. Askalaad's death and his killing of the king were both spoiled for me, but they were surprising nonetheless. When he decapitated the king... my mouth was hanging open. Thorfinn is such an idiot for not going with Leif, he got what he deserved. When he tried to kill Canute... damn. Canute was such a badass in this episode. I guess a second season hasn't been announced, but hopefully there'll be one. This anime was good, definitely the best of 2019. That being said, it doesn't deserve that ridiculously high score on MAL. 8/10 |
Orion_Gospel said: Too bad that the best character of the series died. Now i really have lost most of my interest for the series This is the point where a lot of people lost interest in the manga, actually. Most people praising the show and Askeladd will be highly disappointed if the story continued in anime form, because what the mangaka wrote is (from my perspective) basically against the ambitions, violence, struggles, and machinations of people like King Sweyn, Askeladd, Thorkell and Canute. The arc that follows is the anti-thesis of what people see as the 'good' things in this 'prologue' arc. Wicker_Senpai93 said: Thorfinn is such an idiot for not going with Leif, he got what he deserved. When he tried to kill Canute... damn. Canute was such a badass in this episode. I guess a second season hasn't been announced, but hopefully there'll be one. This anime was good, definitely the best of 2019. That being said, it doesn't deserve that ridiculously high score on MAL. 8/10 from what I remember about the manga, I think Thorfinn was about ready to leave, and I think he might have even if the whole thing between the King and Askeladd had not happened. I think (speculating, and any manga fan can correct me) he probably went back to see Askeladd before leaving, or perhaps he wasn't quite free from his obsession, despite the despair he went into after his last duel. In any case, the way I see this anime is that its a clash of perspectives and themes, the author exploring different views and philosophies, as represented by the question of what it means to be a true warrior, or what it means to love. I think that they are the same questions, the characters being in different phases of their own versions of what that means, and the meaning of life. In all of that, Thorfinn is the only one who does not truly know the answer. His father figured it out, in a fashion. The end is basically Askeladd and his death snapping him out of his 'slavery' to the past and his quest for revenge. |
eyerokJan 4, 2020 11:31 PM
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
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