Chihayafuru
| @JTKallio I think SAO is not downvoting this anime, when SAO have a ton of it. And the irony for example ; https://myanimelist.net/profile/Jeiaozm |
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chriskor022 said: @JTKallio I think SAO is not downvoting this anime, when SAO have a ton of it. And the irony for example ; https://myanimelist.net/profile/Jeiaozm Wow, how did you find this guy? But I think that it is a zero measure set compared to what is happening to Chihayafuru S3. Hope that in a few months it will at least hit 9.02/10 between 3-gatsu no Lion S2 and Koe no katachi... |
Meusnier said: just my usual chore in SAO easy finding a bot. Yeah the score of this anime is out of proportion, I hope in the future mod have a solution in this problem.chriskor022 said: @JTKallio I think SAO is not downvoting this anime, when SAO have a ton of it. And the irony for example ; https://myanimelist.net/profile/Jeiaozm Wow, how did you find this guy? But I think that it is a zero measure set compared to what is happening to Chihayafuru S3. Hope that in a few months it will at least hit 9.02/10 between 3-gatsu no Lion S2 and Koe no katachi... |
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chriskor022 said: @JTKallio I think SAO is not downvoting this anime, when SAO have a ton of it. And the irony for example ; https://myanimelist.net/profile/Jeiaozm @chriskor022 I'm not blaming a whole fanbase for this. It's obviously just one or a few people at fault. I'm just showing that whoever is doing this is doing it because Chihayafuru 3 was above the 2 that are being supported. |
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JTKallio said: but SAO is not a series that a bot friendly anime. So claim about that SAO is one of the downvoter is unjustified and just downright lie.chriskor022 said: @JTKallio I think SAO is not downvoting this anime, when SAO have a ton of it. And the irony for example ; https://myanimelist.net/profile/Jeiaozm @chriskor022 I'm not blaming a whole fanbase for this. It's obviously just one or a few people at fault. I'm just showing that whoever is doing this is doing it because Chihayafuru 3 was above the 2 that are being supported. |
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| With some quick maths, I found out Chihayafuru 3's score would be around 8.67 instead of the currently 7.94 if there wasn't any troll account That's an impressive gap |
Moune-Chan said: I thought they will down vote this so Vinland Saga can be first while Chihayafuru will still be second or third but now it’s just abused!! I was happy to see this above Dr. Stone and MHA S4 (no hate on them don’t worry). This anime will continue in winter while Vinland Saga will be over but I guess it will not stop bots to downvote it. Even if moderators lock or delete topic talking about the score, there will be another one soon because most of us agree that what happen to Chihayafuru is nonsense. (And maybe because the person haven’t saw old post about that). Mods in a nutshell: Mod a - "Hey there are hundreds of fake accounts down voting an anime just in a few dsys, what should we do?" Mod b - "hmm, we should lock all topic related to it so people can't discuss it, then it will seem like it didn't even happen" Mod a - "A M A Z I N G" |
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-Aincrad- said: Moune-Chan said: I thought they will down vote this so Vinland Saga can be first while Chihayafuru will still be second or third but now it’s just abused!! I was happy to see this above Dr. Stone and MHA S4 (no hate on them don’t worry). This anime will continue in winter while Vinland Saga will be over but I guess it will not stop bots to downvote it. Even if moderators lock or delete topic talking about the score, there will be another one soon because most of us agree that what happen to Chihayafuru is nonsense. (And maybe because the person haven’t saw old post about that). Mods in a nutshell: Mod a - "Hey there are hundreds of fake accounts down voting an anime just in a few dsys, what should we do?" Mod b - "hmm, we should lock all topic related to it so people can't discuss it, then it will seem like it didn't even happen" Mod a - "A M A Z I N G" LOL that's very true. I wonder if they actually enjoy it. |
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
| This deserves a better score. |
  Wandering Witch is the best light novel ever! |
| Just requiring the account to be verified and be at least 6 months old for its votes to have any weight would solve the problem. If people make botted accounts in advance just have the system delete accounts that have no entries and are inactive for several months straight. |
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-Aincrad- said: Moune-Chan said: I thought they will down vote this so Vinland Saga can be first while Chihayafuru will still be second or third but now it’s just abused!! I was happy to see this above Dr. Stone and MHA S4 (no hate on them don’t worry). This anime will continue in winter while Vinland Saga will be over but I guess it will not stop bots to downvote it. Even if moderators lock or delete topic talking about the score, there will be another one soon because most of us agree that what happen to Chihayafuru is nonsense. (And maybe because the person haven’t saw old post about that). Mods in a nutshell: Mod a - "Hey there are hundreds of fake accounts down voting an anime just in a few dsys, what should we do?" Mod b - "hmm, we should lock all topic related to it so people can't discuss it, then it will seem like it didn't even happen" Mod a - "A M A Z I N G" Lock? Hell they straight up deleted a thread his morning right after I said pretty much the same thing. |
nanimeanswhat said: -Aincrad- said: Mods in a nutshell: Mod a - "Hey there are hundreds of fake accounts down voting an anime just in a few dsys, what should we do?" Mod b - "hmm, we should lock all topic related to it so people can't discuss it, then it will seem like it didn't even happen" Mod a - "A M A Z I N G" LOL that's very true. I wonder if they actually enjoy it. Yeah, to be honest I completely agree. At this point I'm surprised NO ONE of the mod team has done not even a statement. Because yes, this has happened before I know that, but not to this extent. From 8.6 to 7.9 in two days, that's just crazy. |
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| Well, technically something "this huge" already happened to the poor Violet Evergarden Gaiden It's been 2+ months since then, and nothing was done to fix it |
| Wow. I've been on this site for over 4 years, so I've obviously seen my fair share of trolls. But this is probably the worst and most pathetic case of trolling I've ever seen. I think trolls in general need to grow up and get lives, but this dude is on a whole other level. |
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| mal scores have never honestly mattered, i only care for mine and my friends scores |
-Aincrad- said: Moune-Chan said: I thought they will down vote this so Vinland Saga can be first while Chihayafuru will still be second or third but now it’s just abused!! I was happy to see this above Dr. Stone and MHA S4 (no hate on them don’t worry). This anime will continue in winter while Vinland Saga will be over but I guess it will not stop bots to downvote it. Even if moderators lock or delete topic talking about the score, there will be another one soon because most of us agree that what happen to Chihayafuru is nonsense. (And maybe because the person haven’t saw old post about that). Mods in a nutshell: Mod a - "Hey there are hundreds of fake accounts down voting an anime just in a few dsys, what should we do?" Mod b - "hmm, we should lock all topic related to it so people can't discuss it, then it will seem like it didn't even happen" Mod a - "A M A Z I N G" This. Since MAL was bought by Media Do, how about we complain to Media Do directly so our voice can be heard. |
| I hope im not jinxing it by saying this but.. it seems like the score is slightly going up again |
-Aincrad- said: Moune-Chan said: I thought they will down vote this so Vinland Saga can be first while Chihayafuru will still be second or third but now it’s just abused!! I was happy to see this above Dr. Stone and MHA S4 (no hate on them don’t worry). This anime will continue in winter while Vinland Saga will be over but I guess it will not stop bots to downvote it. Even if moderators lock or delete topic talking about the score, there will be another one soon because most of us agree that what happen to Chihayafuru is nonsense. (And maybe because the person haven’t saw old post about that). Mods in a nutshell: Mod a - "Hey there are hundreds of fake accounts down voting an anime just in a few dsys, what should we do?" Mod b - "hmm, we should lock all topic related to it so people can't discuss it, then it will seem like it didn't even happen" Mod a - "A M A Z I N G" Not just locked, they straight up deleted threads. That's just ridiculous, my respect for the MAL mods has gone down tremendously. They're just adding oil to the fire, at this point I'm looking forward to the bots making a joke of the Scoring system. Lets see how many threads the mods can delete before they decide to give up. |
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Ferien said: I don't care this show but 10% of 1 votes ohh boi that thing is savage, almost a crime 100% of the 10% of 1 haven't watch the anime yet tho. A solution is needed and not only for this case. |
-InfiniteLoop- said: -Aincrad- said: Mods in a nutshell: Mod a - "Hey there are hundreds of fake accounts down voting an anime just in a few dsys, what should we do?" Mod b - "hmm, we should lock all topic related to it so people can't discuss it, then it will seem like it didn't even happen" Mod a - "A M A Z I N G" Not just locked, they straight up deleted threads. That's just ridiculous, my respect for the MAL mods has gone down tremendously. They're just adding oil to the fire, at this point I'm looking forward to the bots making a joke of the Scoring system. Lets see how many threads the mods can delete before they decide to give up. At least this one is still active for now. They probably missed it lol. Eren_69 said: I think it's not true, people just judge by a episode. They should watched all episodes / all seasonsthat this anime (chihayafuru) was good.from zero become hero,the story was good why it must get low rate ?? Man, I wish this was the case but those who are spamming 1s didn't even watch a single second from the anime and that's the problem. |
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
| Why would people do that ? It is disgusting. The show does not have visibility in the West and when it gets the MAL TOP scores morons try to mess it up. |
| That war is so much childish, this is senseless. |
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| Something like this happens whenever an anime takes top spot on airing or overall. Mods should implement more strict account verification proces like captcha codes, for example. |
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| I don't know hwo petty one can be to do something like this or to care so much about a meaningless score on a website |
| It was higher than Vinland Saga and now.....wtf? I haven't watched the show but still.....damn. |
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| I haven't watched this show yet either, but as someone who is used to bots crashing the party on a number of platforms, let me just say this: grow up. It's annoying, but nothing more. What do you expect to achieve from doing this? Like, seriously?! All you're doing is tweaking a number on a website. Let me also say that this just reaffirms my conviction that the haters are really just looking for some attention. You hardly ever hear or complain about the scores going up, because there tends to be less reason to. But when it comes to bringing it down, they really pull out the stops. As for the moderators, give them a break. There really isn't much they can do about this, even if they know about the bots. That said, the onus is on us now to clean up this mess. I don't mean counterbotting, and please don't take me out of context! Score aside, the real medium of anime recommendations has always been word of mouth: that's how it started, and we can always go back to it. I can honestly say that hearing someone passionately ramble about a show makes me a lot more interested in it than looking at some review on it, and that's where we need to make a difference. |
VortexOfLight said: I haven't watched this show yet either, but as someone who is used to bots crashing the party on a number of platforms, let me just say this: grow up. It's annoying, but nothing more. What do you expect to achieve from doing this? Like, seriously?! All you're doing is tweaking a number on a website. Let me also say that this just reaffirms my conviction that the haters are really just looking for some attention. You hardly ever hear or complain about the scores going up, because there tends to be less reason to. But when it comes to bringing it down, they really pull out the stops. As for the moderators, give them a break. There really isn't much they can do about this, even if they know about the bots. That said, the onus is on us now to clean up this mess. I don't mean counterbotting, and please don't take me out of context! Score aside, the real medium of anime recommendations has always been word of mouth: that's how it started, and we can always go back to it. I can honestly say that hearing someone passionately ramble about a show makes me a lot more interested in it than looking at some review on it, and that's where we need to make a difference. You should definitely do yourself a favor and check it out(obviously watch the 1st two seasons) Great story/character development, probably one the best ost's ive heard and Karuta is pretty damn interesting once you figure out whats going on lol. This series has never had a huge following in the west, and thats a shame its easily one of my all time favorites |
| It's funny how some people have so much of free time. Well, MAL score has been irrelevant since beginning but still, it hurts image of that anime. From what I have heard Chiha is great series so I see no point of doing this except being really bored and retarded. |
“A detective who corners a culprit with their reasoning and drives them to suicide in front of himself – is no different than a murderer.” – Shinichi Kudo |
Gorochu said: Definitely Vinland Saga fans fault. It's when it score higher than Vinland Saga, only then the bot comes in. Pls, don't call those trolls fans. It gives us the real fans a bad name. |
| There is an easy fix for this BS. Dont let new accounts vote for lets say 1 month. |
Jack100HP said: >Chihayafuru 3 with a 10% of 1's due to trolling and hating can you prove this? maybe they're critics. if you hate a show you rate it 1, not everyone uses 7-10 scale, MAL provides 1-10 scale and people use it whole Seriously, mate? It's obvious if you look at the percentages. Critics don't randomly give 1s, even if they hate the show they give 1 or 2 more points because of the art and animation, which are done really really well by madhouse. So it is normal to expect 2-3-4s more than 1s. There are almost no 2-3-4s and a very little amount of 5 and 6s and yet there are a lot of 1s? That's super shady, man, be honest. |
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
MonkeyDHunterNov 18, 2019 3:27 AM
| You have shit taste, and then I have taste so shit it makes your taste look good |
| To clear up some things: 1. The forum mods have locked/deleted similar threads because we've had a lot of them (and duplicates do get locked/merged/deleted). There are also threads already in the Support/Suggestions board that can be used to discuss this issue. The problem and how we want to deal with it in the future was also explained by Kineta in this post. 2. MAL staff members who have "moderator" in their title can't delete accounts so you can't blame them for not doing anything about the problem. Only admins can delete accounts. We are 4 admins and 3 have other duties so it was only me deleting accounts. But as Kineta mentioned in the post, it's become impossible to keep doing this manually. 3. The MAL staff (including the admins) have no access to the code of the website. We can't do anything about bugs and we can't do anything about new features. We rely on the development team from Media Do to fix/implement things. While the admins can forward problems and give suggestions what should be done, there's no guarantee that Media Do will do something immediately. 4. Locking the illegitimate account thread before measures have been implemented can be seen as a mistake because the problem started getting worse. But on the other hand, this gives Media Do more reason to implement measures against troll accounts faster. With all the problems now this definitely has a higher priority than before (where we also already had a lot of problems with rating trolls). I absolutely do understand that the situation is bad at the moment and how people feel about it because I feel the same way. We will keep pushing to get something implemented against the rating trolls. How long this will take I can't say at the moment but we will definitely try to get something as soon as possible. |
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Jack100HP said: >MAL score is not relevant anymore when was it relevant? that shit fullgay alchemist is still at the top. I hope moderator do something to erradicate this no sense and obliteratefullgay alchemist from existence. >Chihayafuru 3 with a 10% of 1's due to trolling and hating can you prove this? maybe they're critics. if you hate a show you rate it 1, not everyone uses 7-10 scale, MAL provides 1-10 scale and people use it whole Troll spotted. Just check the facts by yourself, and if you cannot believe what you see with your own eyes, just invent your own "truth" and call it "alternative". Otherwise, thank you @Luna for providing us with at least a real explanation why it is not possible to delete manually those accounts. However, since this is happening since years, and considering the very violent FMAB/SnK war this summer, I am surprised that nothing has been implemented in the meantime. For example, is this possible to create multiple accounts with the same email address? |
Well guys, here is the contact for Media Do(someone please correct me if this is not the same Media Do that own Myanimelist). https://www.mediado.jp/english/contact/ Perhaps, instead of relying on Mod or Admin, we ourselves can take initiative and send mail to Media Do and urge them to improve this problem. The more mail we sent, the more Media Do will take notice on this issues. Any other more efficient way to contact Media Do, please suggest. |
Meusnier said: Otherwise, thank you @Luna for providing us with at least a real explanation why it is not possible to delete manually those accounts. However, since this is happening since years, and considering the very violent FMAB/SnK war this summer, I am surprised that nothing has been implemented in the meantime. For example, is this possible to create multiple accounts with the same email address? To answer this question I need to give you some history on MAL: MAL was owned by CraveOnline from 2008 to 2015 and they did basically nothing for the site. We had hundreds of bugs that no one fixed and of course we also didn't get any new features. DeNA took over in 2015 and started fixing many of the bugs we had and also implemented many new features. We brought up the rating troll problem and discussed it with them, also had some plans. But there were still too many other things to fix and do from all the years of no development and then we started having the problems with the API and website security downtime last year. MAL was sold yet again, this time to Media Do who took over in the first half of this year. Transferring the website to the new owners took a long time and even now things are still slow. The development team is also currently focused on the API so that people can use apps for the website again. So yeah... our biggest problems are that we've had too many things to fix from a time when the owner didn't care about us plus that we can't do anything ourselves and always have to wait until the dev team of the company that owns us has free resources. We do have measures against spam/troll accounts (which I won't discuss so that people won't get around them) but unfortunately it's not enough for the rating trolls. As Kineta said in the post we have ideas how to solve the problem, but we're still waiting for the devs to find time to implement them. Gorochu said: Any other more efficient way to contact Media Do, please suggest. If it's MAL related you can contact them via the Customer Support form at the end of this page: https://myanimelist.net/about.php?go=support |
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| Wow, what do people do with their lives? I mean what gets you crazy enough to make gawd how many account just to troll around??? |
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Jack100HP said: >MAL score is not relevant anymore when was it relevant? that shit fullgay alchemist is still at the top. I hope moderator do something to erradicate this no sense and obliteratefullgay alchemist from existence. >Chihayafuru 3 with a 10% of 1's due to trolling and hating can you prove this? maybe they're critics. if you hate a show you rate it 1, not everyone uses 7-10 scale, MAL provides 1-10 scale and people use it whole You'd have to be blind to think this isn't a troll. |
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Luna said: Gorochu said: Any other more efficient way to contact Media Do, please suggest. If it's MAL related you can contact them via the Customer Support form at the end of this page: https://myanimelist.net/about.php?go=support Noted and thanks. Alright guys, time to get Media Do senpai attention. For the squad! |
| @Luna: I understand where you are coming from but then again, it has been 7 months already, you know. Trolls were always there since the beginning of MAL. I am in a better position than many here because of the time I spent on MAL (12 years). I am from the time when @Xinil had enough time to write reviews and join the forums. MAL was a close community with decent fans. The worst upvoting/downvoting started since the end of HxH (2011) in 2014. There was a three way war between FMA:B, S;G and HxH (2011) and the the collateral were shows that had nothing to do with aiming for the Top spot. MAL looked like growing faster than ever before but a huge number of these were bots/fake accounts. But things were at its worst in 2015-16 when a certain anime leapfrogged everything with a score never scene before. 9.43. And duly so because it was that good. The trolls started downvoting literally everything. From all time classics to anything in the first page. Anime with fewer viewers were worst hit. It was then MAL should have taken initiative. We should not have had to deal with this after 4 years when this toxicity has reached even the shows like YoriMoi (as I have mentioned to your earlier), downvoting every other slice of life and anime that aired the same season/year. Media Do is likely to take their sweet time. This is not very difficult to introduce rules like they have in other places where score only works after certain flags are raised. The worst thing for MAL is users are being suggested to move to competition sites. Whether it's a sabotage or not is up for debate but this is worse than the security threat or DDoS attacks in recent years. I have contributed in hundreds of manga/novel entries, hundreds of seiyuu entries and many more in characters, some were not even in ANN, Anilist or MU. Does everyone think pages like this: https://myanimelist.net/anime/35849/Darling_in_the_FranXX/characters or https://myanimelist.net/manga/107861/Koi_wo_Shiranai_Bokutachi_wa happen automatically? No. Because there are those like me who work in their free time to enrich this database. Not for trolls to have their way with the site. I told you the reason why I stopped using MAL for my anime list and I will not use it ever again unless this stupidity stops. Anyways, have a nice day. |
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