People just hating on season 2 for no reason at this point

todd2580 said:



you're just harsh about the animation so you can't see anything good about it as a result

Bunsuke said:
posts like this fail to realize that yes, as good as the story is, the vast majority of people who hate season 2 have already experienced it in the manga. the reason they've been waiting for an anime adaptation is not to experience those themes again but watch how the animation enhances the series.

xShinigami3125 said:

There are so many more things wrong with this season, if you are interested in a short list, go check out my review xd

CodeBlazeFate said:
I mean, yea some Madhouse stans do exist (and no, Mahouse wouldn't have made this any better since Madhouse fucking sucks nowadays anyway, and it was the original team of freelancers the director called up that made the visuals so good in the first place) and I do think people are overreacting, saying that the atrocious visuals ruin the anime, but this second season is still awful for a laundry list of reasons. Even the discounting the generally abysmal visuals, the presentation of the season has been pretty bad. Mediocre music, awful pacing issues, one-dimensional character writing, the stripping of a lot of the character elements that made Saitama interesting, the lack of any real flavor to the humor, characters, or world compared to season 1 (nothing here even comes close to the disgruntled and arguing alien guys from season 1 ), the inconsistencies regarding certain characters, the lack of time to let things breathe or properly introduce themselves, and the lack of any real weight given to anything all make this season a chore to watch, and I'm only still watching just to see it through to the end. Again, some people are being ridiculous, and yea the moment JC Staff was announced, there was inevitably gonna be some backlash, but man, the often nonexistent and incomplete animation, awful drawing quality, freakish CGI and action mishaps (fuck you, episode 7, you're Berserk 2016/17 bad), grotesque textures on the ground, DO-S's leather, and Genos's and Sonic's armor and metal are all far too noticeable to not be called out. JC Staff gets a lot of hate and while I don't feel the animators deserve it, the abysmal visuals of a lot of their shows nowadays really paint the picture of a badly managed and badly scheduled studio (and the scheduling for OPM 2 which involves issues like there needing to be 5 episode directors for episode 2 don't help matters in the slightest). So yea, the hate isn't there for "no reason". The quality of the anime and its visuals are nowhere near that of season 1 or any adaptation of ONE's work, and the visuals are below even your average non-action seasonal. Fucking Senko-san looks better than this.

todd2580 said:


i saw it but still i think you're just exaggerate about it you're just focus on the negative side of it rather than the good side which it's funny since it's not that bad yeah the action animation isn't even like angolmois: genkou kassenki which have an animator that worked on episode 2 and 6 of OPM S2 but you can tell that he can't do much with the lack of time it's sad i know but the production is tight and they're doing what it's best for now so you'll find a rush work but it's actually not even that bad they did decent and that's the important thing if you don't accept it you can just read the manga about myself i'll do both of it

Fluxje said:


Wall of Text criticially hits you for over 9000, you DIE!

Use some interpunction and paragraphs dude.

xShinigami3125 said:

But the anime doesn’t add anything to those funny moments, it’s all because of how good the manga is, in fact the anime often actively hamstrings it. And i do think it’s absolutely horrible, and not watching it won’t give me the opportunity for a good adaptation of the material back, so just not watching it doesn’t solve anything.

CodeBlazeFate said:
I mean, yea some Madhouse stans do exist (and no, Mahouse wouldn't have made this any better since Madhouse fucking sucks nowadays anyway, and it was the original team of freelancers the director called up that made the visuals so good in the first place) and I do think people are overreacting, saying that the atrocious visuals ruin the anime, but this second season is still awful for a laundry list of reasons. Even the discounting the generally abysmal visuals, the presentation of the season has been pretty bad. Mediocre music, awful pacing issues, one-dimensional character writing, the stripping of a lot of the character elements that made Saitama interesting, the lack of any real flavor to the humor, characters, or world compared to season 1 (nothing here even comes close to the disgruntled and arguing alien guys from season 1 ), the inconsistencies regarding certain characters, the lack of time to let things breathe or properly introduce themselves, and the lack of any real weight given to anything all make this season a chore to watch, and I'm only still watching just to see it through to the end. Again, some people are being ridiculous, and yea the moment JC Staff was announced, there was inevitably gonna be some backlash, but man, the often nonexistent and incomplete animation, awful drawing quality, freakish CGI and action mishaps (fuck you, episode 7, you're Berserk 2016/17 bad), grotesque textures on the ground, DO-S's leather, and Genos's and Sonic's armor and metal are all far too noticeable to not be called out. JC Staff gets a lot of hate and while I don't feel the animators deserve it, the abysmal visuals of a lot of their shows nowadays really paint the picture of a badly managed and badly scheduled studio (and the scheduling for OPM 2 which involves issues like there needing to be 5 episode directors for episode 2 don't help matters in the slightest). So yea, the hate isn't there for "no reason". The quality of the anime and its visuals are nowhere near that of season 1 or any adaptation of ONE's work, and the visuals are below even your average non-action seasonal. Fucking Senko-san looks better than this.

todd2580 said:



it doesn't do much like S1 did due to tight schedule so at least we got some nice animation scenes even it's a few ones but i want to give the staff a chance at least

xShinigami3125 said:

Almost all the decently animated scenes were made by a single animator, just imagine what could have been with a competent, not overworked team.

CodeBlazeFate said:
Oh no, a moderately sized paragraph text wall of 14 lines, the length of a normal college essay paragraph! OH, THE HUMANITY!!!

Fluxje said:

These are MAL forums, not some random history or classical literature book out of the 1800's.
White spaces are allowed, so are paragraphs.

Whenever I see stuff like that I think someone just puked his brain out on the keyboard, and after it was done throwing up you hit submit instead of reading it over or finding the 'Enter' on your keyboard.

paranoidfox said:
It's not just the animation quality that has taken a hit, the directing is also a lot less interesting and lackluster. Someone above mentioned that the director was a newbie and so it's not his fault, I completely disagree.

Kiyukai said:
I won't comment on other reasons why people might be hating on the season, but seriously I generally do not understand the problem with the animation.
I swear the difference is minor? Seriously I don't see the issue.
Would anyone care to explain because I am genuinely confused.

MaewenMitzuki said:
I didn't even noticed that the animation changed like i don't give a crap about that;
i know it cuz a lot of people complain about it like tards, in my opinion this season
is way better than the first, i was bored while watching the first season and now
that there is more characters it became more interesting (omfg garou i love you)

xZabuzax said:
But come on now, you are going way too far saying that season 2 is better than season 1.

xZabuzax said:


You didn't even notice the change of animation? wow, J.C Staff is extremely happy having people like you that can't notice any difference. Unfortunately there are people that can notice the difference and the difference is night and day between the 2 seasons.

But come on now, you are going way too far saying that season 2 is better than season 1.

xZabuzax said:


Hating on something just because is CGI is not right but to be fair, AoT has some CGI here and there but it doesn't bother us that much because everything else is awesome in that anime and this includes the directing, music, sound effects, voice acting and awesome animation, all of these things combined makes us forget about that CGI stuff and AoT has maintained pretty good consistency so far with all 3 seasons which are pretty much quality material and this is something that needs to be praised because a lot of the times the quality drops in animes in the 2nd season and up. I can't say the same for OPM S02 because everything that I mentioned is lacking here and the irony is that the CGI parts doesn't bother me in OPM S02, personally the CGI in OPM S02 is not that bad so Genos arms or metallic objects doesn't bother me that much, it could've been worse, everything else though is horrendous.

I haven't watched Koutetsujou no Kabaneri so I won't talk about that one.

Wit Studio (the one from Attack on Titan) should be the one handling One Punch Man, I don't trust Madhouse anymore, the recent animes from Madhouse are mediocre as well.

todd2580 said:


also dragon ball and one piece was have the same anime production studio and the quality changed so people expecting one punch man season 2 to have the same quality as season 1 with madhouse while they didn't kept the quality of overlord season 1 in the next seasons lmao

CodeBlazeFate said:
I mean, some shows can work with limited animation. Berserk 1997 is prolly the best example I can think of, but Happy Sugar Life plays on wacked out imagery to make up for there not being much in the animation department, and Fate/Extra Last Encore is so incredibly beautiful, detailed, and full with lots of well-animated, small character movements as well as imaginative and gorgeous locations that it can get away with not having to many big sakuga moments outside of some of the fight scenes. Mahouka, OPM 2 and Overlord don't have that excuse, especially Mahouka and OPM 2 since Overlord 1 at least has some great cuts here and there, and OPM 2 just generally looks like garbage.

Wew, this really speaks to how bad 2 and 3 are when the CGI is apparently even worse and they can't even keep their art style (one I don't like) consistent. Yea S1 at least managed that and a few neat cuts, but I still wouldn't say it is a well-animated show or that it has overall good visuals. Definitely better than say, The Asterisk War tho. Those first two and the fifth bit you linked on there are actually pretty good but the third and fourth are awful. I did forget about most of those sakuga cuts tho.

I mean, Mahouka is primarily people just sitting and standing with all the info-dumps and whatnot taking up approximately a third or more of the total runtime, and there's not much movement in most of the fight scenes or character interactions. The art style is the same in the LN but that's my problem: I don't like this generic LN art style. I despise their oversaturated lighting filter that has no reason to be there and no congruency with the bland world and hideously bright and garish uniforms, as it all just hurts my eyes to look at, forcing me to squint a lot of the time when I watched the show. Clips 1 and 2 are pretty standard stuff apart from the zooming in. Clip 3 is less decent, with some moments that feel floaty and awkward, bad zooms and shakycam (I don't even know how you get shakycam in an anime) and one bad editing moment where the characters each backflip to different ends of the screen at one moment, only for the very next shot to be of them already in close quarters combat without any transition. I fucking hate clip 4. Mindless flipping around and CGI ground, that god awful, overly bright and saturated lighting, it all is just so hard to look at. The final one is a decent explosion cut (barring how unreasonably bright it is.) Funny enough, No Game No Life has way more animation and detail, less CGI, and colors that blend with the overly bright lighting to make the show less eye-searing and more justified in-universe.

The CGI in Kabaneri was less awful than the foam ship, but then again, I can't comment on Sora Yori too much outside of episode 1. The ship being a static object makes the CGI even less excusable since it's not even really moving like that CGI monster in Kabaneri episode 6 (yea I looked back at AoT ads and clips, and the CGI is quite terrible at points, like with the CGI Colossal Titan). Kabaneri at least had beautifully detailed artwork tho since the art style was by Haruhiko Mikimoto, and the team managed to keep that surprisingly consistent while still having good fight animation and beautiful character designs. Can't comment about the quality of AoT overall since I don't remember much from S1 several years ago and I haven't seen anything past that.

oof, video is unavailable, but I'll take your word for it.

EpsilonX said:
I don't have a problem with the animation personally. It's not great, but it's passable. My problem is that all of the best moments from the manga have little to no impact.

Garou's introduction:
Manga: holy shit that was awesome
Anime: I guess this is the new villain?

Garou taking out heroes one by one:
Manga: oh my god this character is crazy
Anime: This is boring, show me Saitama

Metal Bat fighting centipedes:
Manga: Hey, this guy is pretty cool
Anime: Why are they focusing so much on heroes nobody cares about?

You get the idea. Garou is really an amazing character, but the anime isn't doing him justice.

ClickBaitBuster said:
Well it was a "reduction to absurdity" kind of argument, I know that AoT and Kabaneri are examples of good, production values despite their heavy use of CGI which far exceeds the use of it in SoraYori. My point was that his argument against the CGI in SoraYori is baseless.

Just because Madhouse wouldn't have kept the quality of S1 doesn't mean we should give J.C Staff a free pass, everyone blames Madhouse for screwing Overlord II/III, so why do you think they shouldn't do the same with J.C Staff for screwing OPM S2?


>"Mahouka is primarily people just sitting and standing with all the info-dumps and whatnot"
I can't comment on this statement, because I don't remember the show that well and I don't care enough to go and rewatch full episodes of it, so I'll leave it at that

>"there's not much movement in most of the fight scenes"
I mean I just linked clips and videos of fightscenes that have plenty of movement, it seems that you have a lot of problems with them that don't concern me since by posting them I was only arguing against the "barely animated" part.

>"The art style is the same in the LN but that's my problem: I don't like this generic LN art style"
Then blame the LN illustrator, not the studio.

>"No Game No Life has way more animation and detail, less CGI, and colors that blend with the overly bright lighting to make the show less eye-searing and more justified in-universe."
I've seen a lot of people that hate NGNL's bright colors and pink outlines with passion, as I said, it's just personal taste, it's not something that you can call objectively shit like Hand Shaker.

>"The CGI in Kabaneri was less awful than the foam ship"
Well first, what you're calling "foam ship" is an Icebreaker, and it's pretty accurate compared to what Icebreakers look in real life, they even modeled it exactly like a real japanese Icebreaker called Shirase. Second, I wasn't comparing Kabaneri to SoraYori, I was comparing the use of the CGI between the two, the former use CGI far more than the later, the point is, if a tremendous high profile anime use shortcuts like CGI train, then why would you expect a modest production like SoraYori not to use it for the ship? The funny thing is that the CGI of Kabaneri (and AoT) is outsourced to Madhouse, while the CGI of SoraYori is outsourced to a CGI specialist studio. And finally, SoraYori, while it had genuinely talented people working on it, it had a lot of production problems that showed on its art inconsistency which is a common thing between Madhouse shows nowadays reflecting the studio's current dreadful state.

Pakumen- said:
"No reason"

-Trash animation
-Horrible sound design
-Terrible pacing
-Really bad voice acting
-Bad art style
-Uninteresting story
-Dull characters with their "good moments" completely butchered.
-No real sense of movement, progress or even fluidity on the fights.

Like, are you kidding me. Guys I don't care if you are conformists with what you get, but trying to turn down the shitshow this season has been does not make it any enjoyable.

eyerok said:
- I am liking the story so far. If you're a true OPM fan, you will like the story and direction.

Fluxje said:
Whenever I see stuff like that I think someone just puked his brain out on the keyboard, and after it was done throwing up you hit submit instead of reading it over or finding the 'Enter' on your keyboard.

eyerok said:

- debatable. But definitely not trash.
- disagree
-disagree completely, pacing is fine.
- voice acting is alright. Not that bad. Good in some parts. Okay in others.
- Art style is alright...much better than most anime people worship. Like SAO for instance. lolz
- I am liking the story so far. If you're a true OPM fan, you will like the story and direction
- I'm enjoying the characters as much as last season.
- Fight sequences are'nt the best in anime, I agree. But theya re far from being the worst.

CodeBlazeFate said:
1. Yea I wouldn’t recommend going back to that show. It’s not worth it.

2. Some of them definitely had more than others and even then, the ampunt of movement in the fights is standard at best, and that’s when the characters bother to move at all given how some of the fights don’t even require that. Admittedly my problems are more aesthetic in nature.

3. I mean, it’s still a problem I have with the show’s visuals, so regardless of if it’s primarily the fault of the LN author, it’s still a problem with the show’s visuals.

4. I mean, of course it’s subjective. I can actually tolerate NGNL’s aesthetic since the character designs and color palette fit the lighting, unlike in Mahouka. I do know a few people who still hate it, but still, I can defend it to some extent.

5. I mean, thanks for the info, but none of that changes or excuses how bad that ship’s model looks or how it still looks like foam. I know you weren’t comparing the two shows, but since you brought Kabaneri’s CGI up while ignoring the possibility that I think the show looks incredible in spite of it given my other problems with Sora Yori’s visuals which you ignored for thst argument (which you also applied to AoT but again, no comment), I had to say something there. So the artwork becomes inconsistent after episode 1. Well then.

ClickBaitBuster said:
>"Admittedly my problems are more aesthetic in nature"
Yeah, upon reading some of the reviews you wrote, I figured as much, namely the contrast between the animation score you gave to Code Geass: Fukkatsu no Lelouch (5/10) and Happy Sugar Life (7/10)

3. The context you brought Mahouka in the discussion in the first place was to show the bad job Madhouse did in making it, my main goal here is to tell you what you should and what you shouldn't blame them for, I'm not here to defend the show itself because I don't care that much about it tbh.

5.Yeah as I said, you can dislike the ship's shape as much as you want, just don't blame the studio for it, I mean it's not like it was designed by their engineers or something.
Most people wouldn't be bothered by a CG static object, because it doesn't look out of place most of the time, of course they could've done more work to make it blend in better and unnoticeable, and you can criticize them for that, but don't make it a bigger duel than it actually is. Personally, I'm fine as long as they don't use CG on living organics, because those require fuckton of rigging just to look half decent, but most of the time they don't spend that much effort on it so we get shit like this. And lastly, I probably worded it wrong when I said "by that logic AoT and Kabaneri are also crap", My point was that you shouldn't make the CG more improtant than it is, because there are more important factors (which you already talked about) that could make the show good despite the huge use of CGI, Kabaneri and AoT were the best examples of that.

BlackCracka said:
I feel like this season was destined to be hated the second people found out it wasn’t being animated by madhouse anymore. It’s true that the animation quality has definitely gone down big time compared to the first season but that still doesn't mean the animation is terrible. The animation is actually quite good compared to a lot of anime but it just no where meets the standards set by the first season.

Once you get past the animation though, this season is almost as good as the first one. The choice of exploring more about the philosophy of what it means to be a hero and how every hero plays a different part just adds so much to the overall story. I haven’t read the manga but even if it supposedly “was better in the manga” it still works well in the anime. The art may be a buzzkill but it doesn’t justify a hate bandwagon. The fact this season even happened in the first place is a miracle.

At the end of the day this season is not perfect and obviously has its issues like any show, but it just seems that a good amount of people are just blindly hating it. If you genuinely don’t like this season for reasons besides the animation, I would like to hear it. I just want to hear someone give a good reason to not like this season.

GrimorumInvoke said:
I feel the same way. Honestly, I watched season 1 to season 2 continuously. One episode a day and I didn't think there was a noticeable difference in quality.

MahiaErebeaNegi said:

So was J.C Staff, but for some reason people keep praising J.C even though it's as bad as Madhouse.