Toaru Majutsu no Index III Episode 20 Discussion

loli_a_ravioli said:
They took quite a liberty with Touma vs Accel here. The punches from Accel are gonna raise up some unwanted questions.

Tiau said:

Not really anymore than the punches he gave WORST, it’ll be fine for the most part

Tiau said:

Not really anymore than the punches he gave WORST, it’ll be fine for the most part

loli_a_ravioli said:


With Misaka Worst, one could still argue that subconsciously he still didn't want to kill a clone anymore.

He literally hated Touma at this point, for being such an ideal person he could never become until Touma punched him out of his tantrum.

dsalco said:
Accelerator black wings attack looks pretty weak, I didn't get the feel that he was really powerful. It was a really boring fight.

JYXCYNC said:
I've learnt to separate the anime from the LN's. The two aren't the same, the characters aren't the same.

My anime mind says the episode wasn't so bad. It was at least watchable.

My LN mind however, is screaming 'What the f was that?'

xenovibe said:
So this is what the source material readers were excited about? Two scrawny teenagers slapping each other in the face while spouting some patronizing nonsense? Even Naruto's talk no jutsu scenes at their worst weren't as obnoxious to watch as this crap.

Why is this franchise popular again? Oh that's right, the petite/loli looking waifus and their constant blushing towards the self insert MC(s).

xenovibe said:
So this is what the source material readers were excited about? Two scrawny teenagers slapping each other in the face while spouting some patronizing nonsense? Even Naruto's talk no jutsu scenes at their worst weren't as obnoxious to watch as this crap.

Why is this franchise popular again? Oh that's right, the petite/loli looking waifus and their constant blushing towards the self insert MC(s).

ap1001 said:
Also judging from next episode’s pv, are they going to further butcher EVERYTHING by having fucking Mikoto fight Gabriel? Is the anime committee retarded?! This isn’t some series where you can beat shit with “power of friendship”, when you lack the power and skill, You fucking lack the power and skill, friendship and resolve didn’t stop Accel from getting gutted by Aiwass, it didn’t stop Kanzaki from beating Touma into a comma for a week, it certainly didn’t stop “that” from happening and ended up crushing Touma and Accel together to the curb!

And you are telling me, you are going to have Mikoto, the spectator clash with archeango Gabriel. Gabriel that Touma+Accel together can’t beat head on. Fuck your Mikoto shilling, fuck you all to hell.

-Stray said:
Oh wow.. Accelerator and Touma's fight was actually bearable.. rather it was actually fine.. unexpected, enjoyed it for the most part.. but yeah.. like the people above me are talkin about which made one of my eyebrow raise up was when Accelerator punched Touma... wouldn't he normally die from that considering its a pissed off Accelerator doing it or am I missing something? anyways I can just think of it as he was so pissed and on his tantrum that he forgot to do it and just wanted a slug fest with Touma.

xenovibe said:
So this is what the source material readers were excited about? Two scrawny teenagers slapping each other in the face while spouting some patronizing nonsense? Even Naruto's talk no jutsu scenes at their worst weren't as obnoxious to watch as this crap.

Why is this franchise popular again? Oh that's right, the petite/loli looking waifus and their constant blushing towards the self insert MC(s).

Tiau said:

Ironic, considering it seems you forgot that Mikoto’s jet gets taken out by Gabriel and she has to use her powers to get a new ride

ap1001 said:


And you expect me to fucking believe they wouldn’t turn it into something it’s not. You aren’t the only source fag in this discussion Tiau, I’m surprised you still defend this garbage.

OG_Gattsu said:
This is one of the worst episodes so far.

Hamazura outsmarting trained soldiers. WTF?

Accelerator’s meltdown was stupid. He already had one last episode and decided he was going to prove to everyone he can protect. This one about him crying about being hero to save Last Order was forced and unnecessary.

Accelerator Vs Touma... What a terrible fight

Touma tanking hits from Accelerator’s dark vector like it’s nothing was bullshit.

The writer is incapable of writing good Touma fights. His fights are so boring, predictable and one dimensional I’ve thought about dropping this series because of it.

Why the fuck is Mugino alive?! This psychotic bitch has Touma level plot armour and has lost twice already to Hamazura. Kill her off and be done with it, she’s a garbage character anyway

The best part of this episode was seeing Misaka.

-Stray said:
Oh wow.. Accelerator and Touma's fight was actually bearable.. rather it was actually fine.. unexpected, enjoyed it for the most part.. but yeah.. like the people above me are talkin about which made one of my eyebrow raise up was when Accelerator punched Touma... wouldn't he normally die from that considering its a pissed off Accelerator doing it or am I missing something? anyways I can just think of it as he was so pissed and on his tantrum that he forgot to do it and just wanted a slug fest with Touma.

loli_a_ravioli said:


Because Accel isn't even supposed to get a single hit on Touma with his wings, let alone his punch. Anime went full retard with this one since they made both Touma and Accel fight like a chimpanzee.

Tiau said:

No, Accelerator definitely did hit Touma, infact when he carpet bombed him at the beginning Touma gets hit there and Accelerator is happy he didn't actually die

"And the shock waves created by even one of the dozens of stakes held enough destructive force to smash a human body to pieces.
It had to be over.
With that victory, Accelerator had lost some form of hope.
And yet…
A figure shakily stood before Accelerator.
That Level 0 boy stood on the other side of the dust of white snow and black dirt.
Of course, he was not unscathed.
The boy’s clothes were covered in dirt, red blood was leaking from his temple, and his center of gravity seemed to be tilted to the side.
Even so, the boy stood.
He stood on his two legs that would not fall. "


The direction of the fight might've been a little weird, but things like Touma being hit actually should've happened

ap1001 said:


No no No! Screw you, this is far worse, I ask you one thing, where is fucking precog? Or better one, how can the 2 of them even end in a punch up?! A CQC between the 2 of them only ends in 2 ways, either Touma knock him out cold in the one hit, or Accel one shot him with blood reversal. Their ability means they literally CANNOT slug each other, ever thought if that?!

Novel said:
"Just taking Accelerator’s attack and surviving was exceptional in terms of battle ability. Even if anyone else had this power in their right hand, how many could get the same results?"

ap1001 said:


Yeah, but not a direct hit in the head by the wings, he got hit by the shockwaves, SHOCKWAVES, okay people. Not fist, not black vector wings, mere shockwaves.

The direction of the fight turning into a slug fest was seriously stupid, do you know how many anime-only start screaming plot armor when Touma didn't get his blood reversed, a lot I tell you.

ap1001 said:


Touma's freak of nature scenes all got deleted in S1 and S2 along with the goddamn narration, I rather they change the scene a bit and make him get hit by shockwave.

Yeah I know Touma is a goddamn beast who can survive getting hit head on by a bus, trampled by a war horse, smashed into a concrete building by a vending machine. Cause I read from OT1 and he was already a freak back then, but the anime only don't. They think Touma is actually "The Kind of Normal High School Boy You Can Find Anywhere", not understanding that was a meme, its a fucking meme because AC isn't even a city, its a hellpit, a cesspool of degeneracy, a place where you learn to fight like the mafia or you end up turning into dust when one of the city's many tragedies devour you.

And anytime I correct this, they yell, "OP, Plot Armor", and I look at them and wonder, do you fucking idiots know what you are saying? There is nothing OP about him, his win record is less than 50% and even with wins he stalemate 25% of times, he is just a normal tank, the wins were group efforts, and he have training. Even with true wins, the end result is unsatisfactory most of the time, cause Aleister is busy digging a grave big enough for the 2 of them.

But no, the fucking anime contaminated their perception so badly, they cannot accept the logical explanation at all.

Additionally, you know how many people who ramble about Touma being a gary stu that always beat his enemy and when I ask them to list examples, they just said Accel. Of all the fucking people to list, you list Bloody ACCEL? Where the fuck is Kanzaki?! Acqua?! Gabriel?! Izzard?! John's Pen?!

What the hell is wrong with people, are people all blind or is did the average IQ of humanity drop again? Listing Accel, the weakest boss in early OT, Mr."Oh shit, I just realized I could control wind (never bothered to try)", Mr."Damn I never gotten into a fight before, how do I make a fist?", Mr."I need Mikoto shocking Touma half dead to have a chance", Mr."Number 1 guinea pig of AC".

They aren't even listing fucking NT Accel, but Pre-headshot version, jesus people are stupid.

Also wings and fists people, WINGS and FIST, not FISTS and FISTS. Also no where does it says, Accel had a chance to touch Touma's face. Blood Reversal! Tiau! Blood Reversal! That was the whole goddamn point, the point is Accel cannot use that attack against Touma because he got no chance of tagging Touma with his hand.