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NJGore said: Honestly I was kind of disappointed in the fact that we couldn't feel the suffering Mob felt during those 6 months like in the manga. I cried hours with the manga on that part, lol. Still 4/5. Animation was hella dope and Mob is such a precious bean that must be protected. I can't wait for the next episode to come out! I hope I'll get the feels I got with the manga next monday. Oh hey, you said everything I wanted to say. Thank you. This is gonna sound weird but... I was fully prepared to dive into an ocean of suffering and they didn't even kill the cat. This was the only time in my life I could've possibly looked forward to seeing a cat die and it didn't happen... But yeah, this episode was still an absolute work of art. Same as last week, just seeing the next-episode preview choked me up. My favorite arc is here... Vysarine said: To those not in the know, the Director, Storyboarder and Animation Director for this episode is Hakuyu Go. The young Taiwanese prodigy that also directed Fate Apocrypha's episode 22 and some of the most important scenes in MHA. This is his last animation job for now because he is going to the mandatory military service in Taiwan. This is only tragedy of the day for me. Such animation genius wasted with fucking mandatory military service Goddamn this is depressing. |
deg said: bitchassdarius said: that's what i'm saying? how can mob learn anything and grow if he's put in a situation where it's impossible to do it? and if the whole story is predicated on mob's growth as a person, what would serve better? that his friends teach him something, or that he figures it out himself? why write a character into a situation that prevents him from doing the latter? err no i do not get that thinking that individual growth should be exclusive to the individual realizing everything on his own as mob said on his own words, other people are important to individual changes  There's no impact in having a lesson explicitly told to Mob, and your pic is actually more suggestive of that than what you're saying. Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself? If he had, wouldn't that prove Mogami is wrong more so than Mob just saying he disagree with Mogami's choice? This is emblematic of Mob Psycho's reliance on explicit, vulgar narrative progression over visual direction. That Dimple has to proclaim the "moral of the day" in the dialogue instead of Mob realizing from hisown relationships and past experiences, mind you this is the standard path for these stories for a reason, is very typical handholding from this show and one of my biggest complaints. |
bitchassdarius said: deg said: err no i do not get that thinking that individual growth should be exclusive to the individual realizing everything on his own as mob said on his own words, other people are important to individual changes There's no impact in having a lesson explicitly told to Mob, and your pic is actually more suggestive of that than what you're saying. Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself? If he had, wouldn't that prove Mogami is wrong more so than Mob just saying he disagree with Mogami's choice? This is emblematic of Mob Psycho's reliance on explicit, vulgar narrative progression over visual direction. That Dimple has to proclaim the "moral of the day" in the dialogue instead of Mob realizing from hisown relationships and past experiences, mind you this is the standard path for these stories for a reason, is very typical handholding from this show and one of my biggest complaints. i think you are just bothered with the idea that others helping you (or Mob in this case) is a sign of self-weakness? is this idea your personal moral for example? for an asian country like japan that values collectivism over individualism the dialogue of Mob saying personal changes or personal identity is shaped by socializing is spot on |
bitchassdarius said: Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself? Because he was pretty much brainwashed to forget about all of his friends. And that would mean he would be unable to realize how much people can help him change until he remembered them. Also, he did realize it by himself. Dimple was even surprised when Mob said that he changed his view on the world thanks to Mogami. Dimple reminded him how much his friends helped him, but Mob was the one realizing, thanks to this world Mogami showed him, how bad the real world be without them. |
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bitchassdarius said: deg said: err no i do not get that thinking that individual growth should be exclusive to the individual realizing everything on his own as mob said on his own words, other people are important to individual changes There's no impact in having a lesson explicitly told to Mob, and your pic is actually more suggestive of that than what you're saying. Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself? If he had, wouldn't that prove Mogami is wrong more so than Mob just saying he disagree with Mogami's choice? This is emblematic of Mob Psycho's reliance on explicit, vulgar narrative progression over visual direction. That Dimple has to proclaim the "moral of the day" in the dialogue instead of Mob realizing from hisown relationships and past experiences, mind you this is the standard path for these stories for a reason, is very typical handholding from this show and one of my biggest complaints. Is the audio messed up on your part?Dimple didn't say anything,on screenshot it was Mob who saying it,Dimple said zero lines regarding morals or lesson or,his whole speech was in the begging literally reminding him that people exist then Mob snaps out himself.I understand don't liking help from others but Dimple never told him any morals,re-check the episode |
| Amazing episode and it almost felt like I was watching End of Eva at some parts lmao. |
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L0ken said: bitchassdarius said: There's no impact in having a lesson explicitly told to Mob, and your pic is actually more suggestive of that than what you're saying. Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself? If he had, wouldn't that prove Mogami is wrong more so than Mob just saying he disagree with Mogami's choice? This is emblematic of Mob Psycho's reliance on explicit, vulgar narrative progression over visual direction. That Dimple has to proclaim the "moral of the day" in the dialogue instead of Mob realizing from hisown relationships and past experiences, mind you this is the standard path for these stories for a reason, is very typical handholding from this show and one of my biggest complaints. Is the audio messed up on your part?Dimple didn't say anything,on screenshot it was Mob who saying it,Dimple said zero lines regarding morals or lesson or,his whole speech was in the begging literally reminding him that people exist then Mob snaps out himself.I understand don't liking help from others but Dimple never told him any morals,re-check th episode yep that too, i just rewatch the part where Dimple save Mob and Dimple did not say any moral lessons to Mob, it was Mob that realize all those moral lessons all by himself |
| where were you when mob psycho 100 saved anime? i was sat at home eating mob donalds when studio bones ring "anime is saved" "yess" |
| The episode of sick! The animation is always at the top grace to the fight between Mob and Keiji! I exploded out laughing at the ending where he marked Mob Donald's! |
ElyshionFeb 4, 2019 3:10 PM
| At least she apologized after all that bullying. The fight was great too. |
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deg said: bitchassdarius said: There's no impact in having a lesson explicitly told to Mob, and your pic is actually more suggestive of that than what you're saying. Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself? If he had, wouldn't that prove Mogami is wrong more so than Mob just saying he disagree with Mogami's choice? This is emblematic of Mob Psycho's reliance on explicit, vulgar narrative progression over visual direction. That Dimple has to proclaim the "moral of the day" in the dialogue instead of Mob realizing from hisown relationships and past experiences, mind you this is the standard path for these stories for a reason, is very typical handholding from this show and one of my biggest complaints. i think you are just bothered with the idea that others helping you (or Mob in this case) is a sign of self-weakness? is this idea your personal moral for example? for an asian country like japan that values collectivism over individualism the dialogue of Mob saying personal changes or personal identity is shaped by socializing is spot on No, I don't think that at all. Having a character come to a conclusion by themselves and this proving the worth of their values is very typical ofthese types of stories. Dimple could have come to help him afterwards, but the fact that the development is a result of Dimple interfering makes it seem cheap. Really, think of it like teaching someone. Yes, you can show someone how to do something exactly, but pushing someone in the right direction so they can figure it out themself has a longer lasting impact. Same mechanics in writing character development |
andya34 said: Am I the only one who found animation nothing but a color mess? Probably, seems you don't understand good animation... |
| "You can't spell slaughter without laughter". |
| Not sure what to feel when I see episodes like this tbh. It looks amazing but at the same time it's more style than substance so idk how impressed I really should be in the grand scheme of things Still cool to watch though |
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L0ken said: bitchassdarius said: There's no impact in having a lesson explicitly told to Mob, and your pic is actually more suggestive of that than what you're saying. Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself? If he had, wouldn't that prove Mogami is wrong more so than Mob just saying he disagree with Mogami's choice? This is emblematic of Mob Psycho's reliance on explicit, vulgar narrative progression over visual direction. That Dimple has to proclaim the "moral of the day" in the dialogue instead of Mob realizing from hisown relationships and past experiences, mind you this is the standard path for these stories for a reason, is very typical handholding from this show and one of my biggest complaints. Is the audio messed up on your part?Dimple didn't say anything,on screenshot it was Mob who saying it,Dimple said zero lines regarding morals or lesson or,his whole speech was in the begging literally reminding him that people exist then Mob snaps out himself.I understand don't liking help from others but Dimple never told him any morals,re-check the episode Either way, my original point of having Mob not realizing it in the illusion maes the whole illusion questionable to begin with. If it's the case he realizes the value of friendship (i.e. it's power to change others) why even have the illusion to begin with? With regards to narrative, the only thing being presented to Mob is that if he had a different life with no friends, he would be different. That's not insightful or profound. Thus, really Mob could have been inflicted any problem with the stipulation that only his friends would be able to save him, but again that's him being taught explicitly that his relationships have the power to change and not him realizing he's changed because of his relationships |
ReigenArataka said: The animation was beyond amazing but from a narrative standpoint it was a disappointment. Wholeheartedly agree. It was the same the last time Mob exploded as well. I've come to taper my expectations with ONE though. He isn't a great storyteller but he knows how to go out with a bang. |
| holy fucking shit that was epic |
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bitchassdarius said: L0ken said: Is the audio messed up on your part?Dimple didn't say anything,on screenshot it was Mob who saying it,Dimple said zero lines regarding morals or lesson or,his whole speech was in the begging literally reminding him that people exist then Mob snaps out himself.I understand don't liking help from others but Dimple never told him any morals,re-check the episode Either way, my original point of having Mob not realizing it in the illusion maes the whole illusion questionable to begin with. If it's the case he realizes the value of friendship (i.e. it's power to change others) why even have the illusion to begin with? With regards to narrative, the only thing being presented to Mob is that if he had a different life with no friends, he would be different. That's not insightful or profound. Thus, really Mob could have been inflicted any problem with the stipulation that only his friends would be able to save him, but again that's him being taught explicitly that his relationships have the power to change and not him realizing he's changed because of his relationships Because the illusion is just the instrument of Mogami who is the villan to force his kinda nihilistic worldview and change Mob and he technicaly succeeded first time?Narratively it teased the possibility of dark Mob and complete change of his persona which should be intriguing and interesting for viewer? I guess you just considering all this purely from the point of Mobs character,but there is other characters around who benifit for this decision,just look how much spotlight reigen and especially dimple got in this,which is crucial for their development as well,not mention side-characters fates,if mob just realized whole point himself Dimple wouldn't have his personal moment with Mob,also concluding his confrontation with Mogami,which is all important for his character later.Again the events from this whole episode would affect many characters,so why would it be better if events were as you described? |
L0kenFeb 4, 2019 4:05 PM
bitchassdarius said: I think your previous post was the most convincing reasoning, butits still not portrayed as self realization. The pivotal moment is when Dimple reminds Mob of his real life relationships, not Mob remembering by some small detail or something to that effect. Thus Dimple is actively telling Mob that these relationships are formative for him (Ritau reminds him that he has to be a role model, the bodybuilding club reminds him that he is working on himself physically etc). This is all Dimples doing and not Mobs No, Dimple didn't say anything about how those relationships helped him grow, he just reminded him they existed. Did you even watch the episode? Dimple didn't teach anything to Mob, he just stated some stuff Mob already knew before, and Mob started drawing his own conclusions based on those facts and on the new perspective on the world he gained by spending time one this fake world. Is it that hard to understand? You could say that Dimple was the one who saved Mob from Mogami's mind tricks, but Mob himself was the one who saved himself from Mogami's influence. As Mogami said himself, even if he recovered his memories, the memories of those six months will always be in his heart, and overcoming that didn't have anything to do with Dimple, since he didn't even really know what happened during that time. |
*laughs in Dimple* |
| The first half of the episode definitely felt a bit rushed as a manga reader. As others have said, the lack of cat murder definitely made his explosion seem a bit less justified, and we don't really feel that 6 months have passed since it all took place so fast. I also felt that, while Mogami's backstory is basically a retread of what was said last episode, they should have emphasized the "twist" in his backstory a bit more. The fact that the death of Mogami's mother was his own fault is a massive reason why he's so fucked up and cynical. Otherwise, yoooo that second half was beautiful and fucking sick and completely lived up to expectations. 4/5. |
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bitchassdarius said: If it's true that Dimple only reminded him, then why does he phrase it specifically in relation to how Mob has grown? He could just list all the people that Mob knows, but he specifically brings up Ritsu in relation to Mob trying to be a good brother, the body building club in relation to how Mob works out now, Reigen calls Mob as a way to remind him to use his powers productively ("we have a huge job")? It just doesn't hold water due to the fact that Dimple phrases his relationships exactly this way. His relationships are presented to him explicitly in how they've influenced him, it's not something Mob figures out for himself. Let's see, first of all, and most important, regarding Reigen: Dimple only mentions him and the fact he's waiting for him, then Mob gets a call. That call wasn't really Reigen calling him, and wasn't Dimple's doing, it was Mob remembering what kind of relationship he has with his master after remembering him. His own mind created that phone call. Second, it's true that Dimple talks about how Mob wants to be a role model for Ritsu, but after that, Mob realizes he was wearing Ritsu's shoes, symbolizing that even if he forgot about him, he was already subconsciously thinking about him. Third, Dimple mentions Mob's fight with Hanazawa and how Mob was able to stick to his values during the fight. What they talk about isn't really related to Mob's growth, but Mob remembers that he's not supposed to use powers against people, something that he already knew before meeting Hanazawa. I'd say that, at least so far, Hanazawa didn't help Mob grow, it was the opposite. Hanazawa supported Mob later, in the claw arc, that isn't mentioned by Dimple. So, as with Reigen, no mention from Dimple about how this person helped Mob grow as a person, just reminding him of something that happened and someone he knows. Fourth, Dimple mentions the body improvement club, and for this one I must concede that he pretty much states how they helped him improve himself. Then at last he mentions Tsubomi-Chan, and again there's no mention on how his relationship with her made him grow, he just reminded Mob what his main goal in life is. So, 1 and a half/5 were actually Dimple explicitly telling Mob why a relationship was important. The rest was just to make him remember his real life. |
*laughs in Dimple* |
| Incredible episode. The action sequences were incredible, Bones went all out. Huge props to them. Very abstract but still very visually pleasing. Masterful directing. There was a lot of heart in this episode even though it started with a very depressing tone. As Mob realizes the people that have helped him, how he's changed, how thankful he must be to everyone around and most importantly it's because of everyone guiding him that he can use his powers to help someone in need. People can change just as he did, the world can be dark and cruel but it's perhaps because of that hope shines so brightly. :) Loved the little Mob design change, that made me laugh. xD 100% and ???% was pure awesome. Asagiri apologizing at the end was very nice. :) ???/5 episode. XD |
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| just when I though Mob's animation was already top-notch, it got ten times better in this episode even! I have to say this was my favorite episode of the series so far, it was honestly a masterpiece, 'nuff said |
| This episode alone proves how much better mob psycho is compared to one punch man. |
| yo. this episode was insane. i dont even know what to say |
| KYSODT ALWAYS and FOREVER infinite. |
bitchassdarius said: I don't see how Mob subconsciously created the phone call, remember Reigen is on his phone for the whole first half of the episode. Either way, if your point is that Reigen and Ritsu were on his mind subconsciously already, then why did we need Dimple to come and break the illusion to begin with? This goes back to a point I've already made, that it would've been much more satisfying and meaningful had Mob realized he was under an illusion the whole time. And according to your evidence, this actually wouldn't even be implausible, so why not just have Mob break the illusion on his own and realize how relationships have changed him without Dimple helping him? Also, the fight with Hanazawa was the first test of Mob's adherence to his own values, I don't think you can argue that it wasn't a point of development for him. The fight was a testament to his own ethical code. Maybe you're right about the fight, but you're wrong about everything else It's very very simple if you actually see what's happening in the episode instead of just seeing what you want to see. First of all, how the hell do you think Reigen could call Mob INSIDE A MADE UP DIMENSION INSIDE SOMEONE'S HEAD? It's pretty obvious that wasn't the real Reigen, he had no way to communicate with Mob. If Reigen tried to call Mob, the only thing that would happen is that his real phone would ring on his soulless body. And I really can't see how it would be more meaningful if Mob did everything by himself if the whole point is the fact that he's lerning about how people are affected by others. It would have been much less effective if he just managed to defeat Mogami without help. Dimple was needed to give Mob the little push he needed to remember what his friends and family mean to him, and then realize how important they are after living in a world without them, and it works thematically because it's one more example of someone making Mob's life better by being there in a difficult moment. |
*laughs in Dimple* |
| Fucking brilliant episode |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
| Awesome episode, you don't get to see animation of this quality very often. Loved everything else about it too. |
| It felt like watching a movie. That was so good. |
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| not much else needs to be said from a visual stand point it's one of the best mob looking episodes and most likely this season unless it hasn't peaked yet and bones has some even more insane animation. real talk if it wasn't for the illusion the scale of this episode could not be achieved so it was neat seeing them have fun with it progressively get to the point in which is was just a blur of explosions while not worrying about all of humanity being wiped out. though narratively this conclusion didn't land on me that much |
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| MOB MOTHERFUCKING DONALD'S I WANT IT |
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| Amazing episode. The animation was just fucking jaw dropping and stellar. The content with Mob being bullied was pretty damn depressing so it was great to see him exorcise a bunch of evil spirits. |
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| Damn this is way better than s1 , also the animation was top tier . |
| Pretty nice fight, like the effects and not so much sakuga fight scene more on special effects. The character have good dev but its underwhelming to be honest. The enemy is so so. |
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| wtfffffffffffffffff Mob Psycho is so damn good it's ridiculous, that fight was one of the best ever wtfff |
| Truly spectacular episode from start to finish. It has been years since I don't get this hyped. Not only a top notch animation and battle scene, but the dialogues were on point. And we are still in episode 5. |
Jfs_Jfsjfsjfs said: And they say TPN can match this show, Lol. And bones is too OP btw, I wish every studio can put this much effort into their anime. Trust me. TPN can match this show. But of course, we can't say for sure for either side until both animes end. Because there's still the possibility that either can mess up somewhere. |
HereticHunter said: Wow, I'm speechless. I felt sad when everyone was bullying Mob, even if it was a short period of time, it was still sad. just a little correction. the time Mob spent in the dreamstate is definitely not short. in the manga it was shown he spent 6 months in the dream, being bullied and abused every single day. that's why he finally gave in and used his power against those pathetic bullies. |
| That was a visually intense episode. It is nice to see Mob developing a little more. |
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| Oh Dear Lord, what an amazing episode this was. I absolutely loved all of it. Mob's development was great, the OST too and the animation... oh man, the animation was simply stunning. And not to mention that this is only ep. 5... it really makes me wonder if there will be any other episode in this season with such impact as this one. And also, Mob 100%Positive is definitely something I want so see again in this series. |
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