| Yaoi, also known as boys' love or BL, is a genre of fictional media originating in Japan that features homoerotic relationships between male characters. It is typically created by women for women and is distinct from homoerotic media marketed to gay male audiences, and while it can attract male fans, it's rarely ever the purpose of any yaoi show made up to this point. I see this as the main problem for yaoi as rather than trying to appeal to a greater target audience, it remains contempt in satisfying women in such a way that promotes lazy, poor effort of behalf of the writers. To counterract this I propose a different kind of yaoi than we are used to. Rather than being primarily about a dominating guy abusing some helpless fem dude, I see true quality yaoi being found in a battle for dominence between two independent strong male boys that are frustrated in expressing their love for each other. Essentially, they love each other, but they both wanna be the one on top, and to determine this they battle as if it were a shounen anime. Imagine Deku and Bakugo battling with You Say Run played alongside, but they both confess their undying lust for the other and whoever wins gets to anally smash the shit out of the loser. Lemme know if you'd like to see a yaoi show like this. Would you give it a chance even if you knew it was about homosexual men having sex with each other? |
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| but we dont care about yaoi. i think it should just cease to exist as an anime genre and stick to hentai. its lame and not interesting at all. |
| how about we keep that gay shit away from shounens? |
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| i haven’t seen much yaoi, since a lot of romance in general tends to not be my cup of tea. however from what i do know, it’s all stereotyped. uke/seme/dom/sub doesn’t really exist in real homosexual relationships, and with at least a good portion of its audience being fujoshis, who just downright fetishize homosexuals rather than respecting them, yaoi feels like it’s created just to fuel those fetishes. they start to get stale. i know there probably is some good and well written yaois out there, but they must not get the spotlight much. i would like to see an improvement in this medium, it’s great there’s a vast amount of lgbt representation, just not well done and lazy. |
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| Yaoi is not the problem here, its the fans that are the problem here. |
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Aquamirror said: how about we keep that gay shit away from shounens? Is gay shit inherently bad tho? Haven't you ever wanted to see two normal ass shonen characters like Deku and Bakugo of MHA suddenly express their desire to fuck the shit out of the other, but because of how sex works only one can be the dom at a given time? |
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| Now I'm seeing that Kacchan vs Deku fight scene in a whole new light. |
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Mirai said: Now I'm seeing that Kacchan vs Deku fight scene in a whole new light. You can't tell me Deku confessing he wants to fuck Bakugo as they're in the midst of their final attack wouldn't be better than what we got :^) |
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ecchiharemgeek said: The biggest problem is just like shoujo, Josei, reverse harem It’s uses sexism and objectification of men to sell to a creepy fanbase But sex sells bby. At least show confidence in one's body and rather than make yaio purely about one dom dude fucking a fem male, have it be between two strong independent men wanting to express their love for each other.  |
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| No, I don't want to see random asexual battle shounen characters rape each other. That sounds like some nightmare scenario where you're caught in the head of some fujo and have to survive while they reshape reality around you to fit their delusions. |
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AndoCommando said: ecchiharemgeek said: The biggest problem is just like shoujo, Josei, reverse harem It’s uses sexism and objectification of men to sell to a creepy fanbase But sex sells bby. At least show confidence in one's body and rather than make yaio purely about one dom dude fucking a fem male, have it be between two strong independent men wanting to express their love for each other. “Sex sell” So does reverse sexism and objectification |
Pullman said: No, I don't want to see random asexual battle shounen characters rape each other. That sounds like some nightmare scenario where you're caught in the head of some fujo and have to survive while they reshape reality around you to fit their delusions. What if the characters give consent? :^) |
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ecchiharemgeek said: AndoCommando said: But sex sells bby. At least show confidence in one's body and rather than make yaio purely about one dom dude fucking a fem male, have it be between two strong independent men wanting to express their love for each other. “Sex sell” So does reverse sexism and objectification You telling me you don't wanna see two strong, independent men battle it out shounen style to see who's love for the other is stronger? With the winner essentially becoming the dom of their relationship? |
AndoCommandoOct 4, 2018 9:47 AM
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| The problem with yaoi is when you decide to sit and watch one. |
AndoCommando said: Pullman said: No, I don't want to see random asexual battle shounen characters rape each other. That sounds like some nightmare scenario where you're caught in the head of some fujo and have to survive while they reshape reality around you to fit their delusions. What if the characters give consent? :^) They wouldn't, cause it's a battle shounen and they don't care about your fantasies, they have better things to do. Sex isn't really a topic in shows like that unless you force it in without any regard for reasonable writing, like Fujos like to do. You're basically asking whether I'd like it if you rewrote some of the main characters and their personality into something completely different und unrecognizable from what I grew attached to, to the point where they would not be the chars I know anymore but instead some fetishized fujo-pleasers. Of course I don't want that, since I actually like Hero Academia. Nobody should unless they don't like Hero Academia at all and therefore don't mind it being completely rewritten to cater to some absurd fantasies that manages to ignore anything that happens in the show and instead make it all about sex. |
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| The only "problem" I see here is that you want to see two 14-year-old boys have sex. |
Pullman said: They wouldn't, cause it's a battle shounen and they don't care about your fantasies, they have better things to do. Sex isn't really a topic in shows like that unless you force it in without any regard for reasonable writing, like Fujos like to do. You're basically asking whether I'd like it if you rewrote some of the main characters and their personality into something completely different und unrecognizable from what I grew attached to, to the point where they would not be the chars I know anymore but instead some fetishized fujo-pleasers. Of course I don't want that, since I actually like Hero Academia. Nobody should unless they don't like Hero Academia at all and therefore don't mind it being completely rewritten to cater to some absurd fantasies that manages to ignore anything that happens in the show and instead make it all about sex. There could always be presumed consent if say characters sign an agreement. The MHA example was all it was, an example. Don't need to "destroy" something that already exists and caters to a specific demographic. Instead, create some original ass show where teen boys love each other, but both want to assert their dominance on one another. So, they fight to f**k. Something so daring and ambitious it would change the landscape of the anime community overall. |
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Nithirel said: The only "problem" I see here is that you want to see two 14-year-old boys have sex. *Fight for the right* to f**k. Literally will be groundbreaking |
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AndoCommando said: Yaoi, also known as boys' love or BL, is a genre of fictional media originating in Japan that features homoerotic relationships between male characters. It is typically created by women for women and is distinct from homoerotic media marketed to gay male audiences, and while it can attract male fans, it's rarely ever the purpose of any yaoi show made up to this point. I see this as the main problem for yaoi as rather than trying to appeal to a greater target audience, it remains contempt in satisfying women in such a way that promotes lazy, poor effort of behalf of the writers. To counterract this I propose a different kind of yaoi than we are used to. Rather than being primarily about a dominating guy abusing some helpless fem dude, I see true quality yaoi being found in a battle for dominence between two independent strong male boys that are frustrated in expressing their love for each other. Essentially, they love each other, but they both wanna be the one on top, and to determine this they battle as if it were a shounen anime. Imagine Deku and Bakugo battling with You Say Run played alongside, but they both confess their undying lust for the other and whoever wins gets to anally smash the shit out of the loser. Lemme know if you'd like to see a yaoi show like this. Would you give it a chance even if you knew it was about homosexual men having sex with each other? No comment on your proposal - just here to say that I'm a 27 y/o male and yaoi/shounen ai are some of my fav genres. Battle shounen probably #1 forever though. |
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| Japan ain't about that lgbt shit Yaoi is fan service for girls We need more quality yuri fan service tho |
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AndoCommando said: Imagine Deku and Bakugo battling with You Say Run played alongside, but they both confess their undying lust for the other and whoever wins gets to anally smash the shit out of the loser. This is the most retarded idea I've heard in a while but I'd actually enjoy MHA that way lmao. It'd be comedic gold. "I have to win... because my dignity and my anal virginity is on the line!" "DEKUUUU!" "Plus Ultra!" And maybe some drama to spice things up like "Deku, you lost on purpose didn't you?" "Kacchan I..." "Stop. I already know. Let's get this over with." Man it's 10 times better already lol. |
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| There are already PLENTY of yaoi mangas that are different from what you complained about. True, there are also a lot of bl stories with a strong seme and feminine uke but if you think that's the only type of characters that yaoi mangakas create then you're just straight up wrong and need to read/watch more of the genre. |
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| I thought that the problem with Yaoi/Yuri anime was the too common fetishized sexual assult/rape. |
| Yaoi is full of non-con Yaoi has the ugliest bishounes and worst art in the manga medium I don’t expect every manga to be extremely well-drawn, pretty or detailed but these mangakas have zero talent. Its like they never learned anatomy or went to art school. Also, if you want to look at actually attractive bishounens, go watch free, k project, bungou stray dogs, or any bishounen filled anime that is not yaoi/shounen-ai/shoujo Aquamirror said: how about we keep that gay shit away from shounens? There won’t be gay romance in shounens, not now, not ever. |
LeonhartAugustOct 4, 2018 1:19 PM
| Fanfiction exists for a reason. They're not all great but the chances of you finding not trash is higher than the amount of 7+ I have in my BL Completed. |
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| I'd have an actual reason to watch battle shounen if it was really gay DepravedMagi said: Yaoi has the ugliest bishounes and worst art in the manga medium dunno where the fuck you're reading your yaoi then o_O |
| Well yaoi anime are pretty shit. They've only got eye candy. All style and no substance. Even Yaoi on Ice was pretty bad. The only anime with yaoi themes I watched are Doukyuusei and the currently airing Banana Fish ;which has a good story to back it. |
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| Yaoi in general is bad, because most of the time the plot is the same. |
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| Nah. Niche things are fine staying niche and broadening appeal isn't a necessity for these titles to possess a sense of value and identity; if anything, I kind of have the impression that this is the line of thought that leads to the degredation of a type of product, forcing away a sense of identity and blaming a lack of appeal with the constructs found within on it having a niche target audience and little else. Broadening something that's fetishized from the outset into more common prioritization structures just seems like a recipe for disaster that'd please nobody, outside of hypotheticals. And being "poorly written" is entirely a parameter-oriented statement due to the necessary focus points of the series in question, and often times it usually comes off as a lack of understanding about what *makes* these shows appeal to people and *how* they communicate with their audience in such a way, stemming from some base projection of what constitutes proper priorities and focal points to begin with. This is the sort of underlying message I take away a lot of the time at least - it really doesn't seem to amount to more than being a shift in priorities to appeal to the given individual in a lot of cases, frankly - and I'm just not going to be concerned with it. Just like I'm not going to be concerned when people have these thoughts about ecchi stuff - I genuinely do not give a fuck whether or not it appeals to them, and whether or not it focuses and dedicates the amount of attention that people who aren't into ecchi would prefer them to - I feel it's reasonable to believe that the same extends to this department to a degree. And things like characterization or some kind of thematic narrative prominence just isn't going to be something I put on the same weight as how things flow upwards into what's driving me to consume it to begin with. Never been fond of the type of criticism that pops up on MAL that seeks to primarily focus on what the audience is rather than providing an assessment of the show itself, masquerading around as something deeper than it is when in reality it's just presumptious connections of creative intent usually playing the rule of a substitute to something that's actually meaningful. I've got no investment in yaoi, but yeah, I'm not going to begin to push for appealing to a broader audience as an inherent plus and focusing on a niche demographic as a minus on any level, and then making a loose connection to blame the audience for some sort of perceived shortcoming, rather than being willing to acknowledge the parameters the series is taking place in. Also, the concept of fighting to fuck that you proposed just sounds like a superficial gimmick being tacked on, and I'd probably shave my head and eat my own hair if it had any meaningful amount of impact on the audience that consumes these things, let alone the industry as a whole. It sounds to me like you're presenting a half-baked idea that is haphazardly chasing some sort of originality as a be-all end-all, and thus decided to present the revolutionary idea of "punching before fucking and that means they're both manly men instead of the standard yaoi dynamic" as if there was actual weight to it just on the basis of it being different - which seems totally short-sighted and negligent in approach, to say the least. And yeah, this is just a shitpost thread, it's incredibly obvious. But eh. I wanted to rail on some of that shit for eons now due how I see it applied sometimes on a broader level than just yaoi, and this just gave me a platform to do so. |
ManabanOct 8, 2018 7:17 PM
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AndoCommando said: You telling me you don't wanna see two strong, independent men battle it out shounen style to see who's love for the other is stronger? With the winner essentially becoming the dom of their relationship? No god noooooooo Swagernator said: Yaoi is not the problem here, its the fans that are the problem here. It’s both it’s why their called the cancer of the anime commulty |
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