Wotaku ni Koi wa Muzukashii Episode 4 Discussion

_Ravenor_ said:
"I'm going to go rough on Kabakura, just like in an X-rated doujinshi!"
I don't see how this is a threat ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Kek, bribing him with a Yuudachi figure. I want to say that wouldn't work on me, but I know it totally would. Cutest Kanmusu.

HereticHunter said:


You are really trying so hard, is not like animation is that important for this kind of anime, if I would expect good animation from this anime, it would be on a special moment, not at a random shot that isn't that important.

HereticHunter said:


You are really trying so hard, is not like animation is that important for this kind of anime, if I would expect good animation from this anime, it would be on a special moment, not at a random shot that isn't that important.

dziabara said:

Well, it's not so difficult to check genre on the profile, so - hello, I'm a girl :)
(and I also recomend to check my animelist, just for sure)

dziabara said:

Like Kimurah said, animation is really poor (like in this example, when scene last 4-5 seconds motionless and they didn't even look ok - see at that Kabakura's hips and head proportions), 3D models are terribly simple and visible (scene before drinking in the bar), backgrouds... what backgrouds?, and gags are slow and copied panel by panel from manga (but in bad meaning). Wotakoi should at least has an animation like MMO Junkie or so, which was simple, but cute and cleverly used. It doesn't need to be like Violet Evergarden, but this title deserves a good animation.

At least I admit that second part of this episode was fine and when Koyonagi sobs, it was heartwarming. But in the same time A-1 Pictures probably didn't even care about this show, because they too focused on FranXX.

HereticHunter said:

You are really trying so hard, is not like animation is that important for this kind of anime, if I would expect good animation from this anime, it would be on a special moment, not at a random shot that isn't that important.

Crocospect22 said:

i couldn't agree more, we can't expect anything "perfect"...

Kimurah said:


And you're minimizing the problem at hand by being such a conformist. Nice damage control there mate.

Just because a show doesn't demand high quality animation due to it's genre and theme, doesn't mean it should be handed so poorly. That's just being lazy. Hope you don't apply that same ideology at work.

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Kimurah said:
Just because a show doesn't demand high quality animation due to it's genre and theme, doesn't mean it should be handed so poorly. That's just being lazy. Hope you don't apply that same ideology at work.

Kimurah said:
Tell your girlfriend that you like her because of her boobs.

State that you could get any other girl with even bigger boobs.

End your speech by calling her old hag and see her fall into your arms.

Profit?

That's some great comedy writing you guys got there. Ha ha. (yeah it was all sarcasm for those who didn't catch early on)

SoraSenpai said:

When you're in a relationship for almost 10 years I feel as though you can make these kinds of jokes. This seemed more real then just Kabakura apologizing to her.

Crocospect22 said:


but it's not even "bad" that's the problem here lol, i mean c'mon if this small thing bother you so much i think you haven't seen worse or you'll be disappointed because most anime are using same ideology, yes animation is important but that's the most important thing after the story, characterization and visualization, for example one piece animation is not that smooth but many people love the anime because the characters and story so people mostly ignore it, this anime is good enough in all aspects imo, back again because they all are not that "bad", it's just normal, we all not that expert so not everyone are kinda love to criticizing about about small things as long they enjoy it, because you can't expect all the budget goes to one episode only, also quality control doesn't mean it only focuses on how the animator works but also about the money (back again to the budget), if you distribute more money to them then it's another thing..
Also i saw your profile and you give many high ratings to some anime with bad animation or same problem like this meanwhile you rated this anime average, so my conclusion is you just dislike this anime and maybe you can drop it pal, cheers...

HereticHunter said:


No, Violet Evergarden animation is not good either, it might look pretty but that's all, no substance, no feeling, no nothing. Its there just to show off.

I believe Trigger is the one in charge of the animation in FranXX if I'm not mistaken. >>> expecting good animation from A1 in 2018... lol

Still no matter how bad these scenes are, is not like they represent something significant. As I said before, if I would expect animation to be good, it would be on a special moment, not on a random moment that doesn't require it. Why you might ask? Violet Evergarden is the example of that, they focused on doing everything pretty but lacks substance and is completely meaningless. In my book, animation should deliver feelings to the viewer through the screen when it comes to special moments. I would totally not expect an animation overflow over the most insignificant thing in an anime, is completely pointless.

Now obviously, if an anime gets derpy on animation that's a totally different subject. Here it doesn't look great, but not that bad, its just average, nothing to complain there as nothing worthy of great visuals is happening.

HereticHunter said:


No, I'm not minimizing the problem, I'm not saying its great, its just not that bad as you both say. Honestly, I've seen worst cases of animation and this isn't something worth the rant. Yes, it could have been handled better, normally these problems are polished on blu-ray release, now, if that doesn't happen you can rant about it forever if you want.

I'm perplexed at you complaining about animation, yet you rate Crybaby a 9 despite it having a very lazy and ugly animation style.

Inugirlz said:

As much as I'd love to have excellent animation all the time and hate seeing anything in cgi (like seriously death to CGI!) I think it wrong to call them lazy. The animation industry is brutal. They aren't paid well and are expected to dish out high quality work? I'd rather they cut corners at points that aren't that significant if it means meeting a deadline and going home to get some rest. Animators are human.

I appreciate the fact anime even still exists with such an unfair industry.

For what it's worth, you might think it's lazy or cutting corners but I think it's fine given the genre. High quality work can be dished out in the BluRays--things people actually pay for.

comedylover said:


Death to CGI?
I change this statement after I watch Houseki no Kuni. The show is so good, I forget it's CGI

Kimurah said:


It's funny that the other guy called dziabara an elitist. But you're actually THE TRUE ELITIST in here. You like to pull out the card of Substance over Style just because a show got pretty popular on it's Style. But the funny thing is that despite having truly great artsyle and true animation (not the flapping mouths that look like big rectangles in wotakoi) Violet Evergarden also had plenty of substance.

It was a different kind of anthology of stories about how messy and convoluted human communication generally is. Violet Evergarden had all these short stories that revolved around Violet and created a new persona of hers during more than half of the series and delivering an emotional payoff at the end by giving Violet a reason to live and exists wich was one of the many resonating subjects.

You really have to be completely blind or a total troll to deny the quality in animation and the way these short stories deliver their poignant messages.




You obviously have no idea what the word minimize means. You're making a noticeable problem look minimal by comparing it with a bigger problem in some other example. That's what minimize means and that's what you're doing.

And of course, as tradition in this site, you keep using the strawman defense by pulling out numbers that mean nothing to me on shows that I gave a score just to keep tabs on what I've watched, instead of actually attacking the points that I bring to the table.

Also you're an ignorant by calling lazy the incredible hardwork that was invested in Devilman or for the matter any other Yuasa's works. His "style" might come as ugly or minimalistic, but it's an artistic choice, not a flaw. Yuasa's kinetic animation style is his signature, and frankly no on else could pull that amount of fluid movement in his animation using a more complex or polished style.

Mormegil said:
Honestly? Kabakura is kind of a dick. Not sure what Hanako sees in him. She deserves better. Let's hope he doesn't treat her like that all the time.

Kimurah said:


Have you actually been in a long relationship like that were both verbally abuse each other? NO, I don't think so. You can't call that real if you haven't seen it first or second hand

A very close couple of relatives married for more than 20 years almost went thru a separation because of a very similar situation. The one at fault actually "apologized" in the end and both talked it. Things like that fester in real life. You can't call it real when stupid farfetch based on cliche anime shows these kind of fallacies

Mormegil said:
Honestly? Kabakura is kind of a dick. Not sure what Hanako sees in him. She deserves better. Let's hope he doesn't treat her like that all the time.

Kimurah said:


And you're minimizing the problem at hand by being such a conformist. Nice damage control there mate.

Just because a show doesn't demand high quality animation due to it's genre and theme, doesn't mean it should be handed so poorly. That's just being lazy. Hope you don't apply that same ideology at work.

And what special moments have we had in the past 3 episodes that actually showed quality animation? Only The pilot had a good quality control in all of it's scenes. Episodes 2,3 & 4 look like they were outsourced for most of their parts.



We're not talking about perfection. We're talking about quality control. Have quality across all the episodes. Imagine if a car factory had that idoelogy "we're not aiming for perfection nor quality control, were just aiming for mass production"

That what you're doing is setting the bar on it's lowest.