| Because they're reflecting how people in real life are. |
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| edward elric is the best main character ever and one of the only good ones |
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| Now this is a pretty vague statement. I'd like some examples of mc's you consider retards so we can actually make some connections |
| I advise OP to avoid a lot of battle shounen such as Naruto and Fairy Fail For some reason, a lot of them are retarded boys |
| Retarded characters are convenient for story telling |
| this guy gets it ^ writers would actually have to be more imaginative if they didnt write dumb characters |
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nonfumi said: Retarded characters are convenient for story telling This. It's easier to write grand stories of development for characters that start out basically empty. |
| Maybe you should stop watching battle shounens. Just maybe. |
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Ericonator said: Because they're reflecting how people in real life are. Well I didn't have to go very far down this thread to see the exact comment I wanted to type. |
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Dlwuik said: edward elric is the best main character ever and one of the only good ones never seen it but isn't the whole show about how his dumbass tried to revive his homeboy, fuck up, and shenanigans ensue |
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| well, a lot of people in real life is retard as well, why is this a surprise? |
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| It's because anime fans that complain about this can relate to those characters. |
sekai- said: Dlwuik said: edward elric is the best main character ever and one of the only good ones never seen it but isn't the whole show about how his dumbass tried to revive his homeboy, fuck up, and shenanigans ensue late response but that's the best description of an anime i've ever seen, thank you. |
Edward Elric > your waifu |
-Lofn- said: Maybe you should stop watching battle shounens. Just maybe. I dunno man, alot of rom coms and harem shows I've liked have had equally annoying male leads. |
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| So that people can relate to them, obviously. |
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| It's for convenience if you ask me. Similar to how stormtroopers never seem to hit their target. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| I think its mostly because of the self inserts. |
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| It's just lazy writing because with a stupid Mc it's easyer to do exposition and u can make many cheap jokes with that. Also I guess it's easyer for the audience to identify themselves with a stupid/ average intelligent Mc then with an Actually smart one. |
ThreadFazer said: Cause realistic characters are boring ASF. For some reason, I kinda agree with this. |
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| There is nothing wrong with having this weak main, all humans are weak by nature they are more relatable that way and it's not bad writing either let's take a journey if the main character starts off op how will there be any growth granted there are series with op characters like one punch man but most of these mains are weak in other ways, weakness is something that every character has because without weakness and flaws as human beings there can't be a great story, the reason why you see them so much is because many shows that have received critical acclaim have this character and they develop that character well sure garbage shows that don't do it as well but that's always gonna be there when someone does something great, the main being a weak moron is never be a bad thing. People don't like weakness it's a fact of life but the reason people don't like it is because they're weak themselves in some aspects. |
| A stupid MC allows for more stalling and more dramatic situations. Here, let me give you an example: MC (Episode 4):"I know the reason why the main antagonist is killing people and I know who the antagonist is going to kill next! However I'm not gonna say shit about it because there is the incredibly small chance that this is all my fault!" MC's love interest (episode 8): "Oh no, Tanaka-san has died. If only someone could've told us this was going to happen!" MC *Breaking into tears*: "It was all my fault! I knew this was going to happen *exposition dump here". Repeat that 3 times and you got yourself an entire series. |
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Ericonator said: Because they're reflecting how people in real life are. But some people don't seem to understand. |
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xShinigami3125 said: It's just lazy writing because with a stupid Mc it's easyer to do exposition and u can make many cheap jokes with that. Also I guess it's easyer for the audience to identify themselves with a stupid/ average intelligent Mc then with an Actually smart one. Other way around, people hate characters like Luffy because they want to self-insert into anime to make them feel as smart as possible, that's why power fantasy characters like Lelouch or Sora from NGNL are popular. Some LOGH fans are like this too. |
SuperRed said: xShinigami3125 said: It's just lazy writing because with a stupid Mc it's easyer to do exposition and u can make many cheap jokes with that. Also I guess it's easyer for the audience to identify themselves with a stupid/ average intelligent Mc then with an Actually smart one. Other way around, people hate characters like Luffy because they want to self-insert into anime to make them feel as smart as possible, that's why power fantasy characters like Lelouch or Sora from NGNL are popular. Some LOGH fans are like this too. Yea and Lelouch isn't actually smart he is just sometimes omniscient and everyone else is incredibly stupid |
ThreadFazer said: Yep, and it's true for a lot of people.Ericonator said: So..your saying people in real life are dumpfucksBecause they're reflecting how people in real life are. |
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| I see the thread has turned into a "Said Character has to be self insert for whatever reason" kind of discussion AD sure likes to spread that shit wherever it can  |
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| Because straight up realism kind of negates part of the appeal of fiction; i.e. I'm not a fan of Death Note, would say I dislike it even, but the whole show seems like it'd be ten times less interesting if we strictly adhered to the logic of reality like @Hey_Taka-tin_Hey seems to suggest in his own post. It almost seems more like a comedy to me if it were to go with that idea; "oh look we have an intelligent teenager who's doing things with a magical book, now watch as special agents with more experience quickly shut down the whole narrative it was trying to build up and then get on with their jobs and lives." I still don't understand the sheer amount of people who demand realism to this extent in their fiction and probably never will. Part of me wants to just shrug it off and tell them to go read non-fiction stories or history books - and personally, it's a huge reason why I find areas of history so fascinating, the fact that this happened in real life and not within the confines of a narrative or videogame, like Carolus Rex and the Great Northern War, so that wouldn't even be much of an insult coming from me - but at the same time I can sort of see what people are pushing for, but it's not so much "realism" as much as it is something they can simply immerse themselves in better because they find what they're watching to be more plausible, which is understandable even though foreign to me at the same time since, well, understanding that it's fiction is generally enough for me in this regard and the concept of does this seem like a plausible scenario to me?" tends to be something I diminish rather greatly. Like to let fiction work in the confines of fiction and reality in the confines of reality, the latter would just be draining and unfun to me if it were emphasized too much in the stuff I watched. Not "bad," but "not fun." Which is worse imo because then I wouldn't even arse myself having a negative opinion about it out of love for anime or a specific type of show, I just wouldn't want to watch it all together and would eventually just start looking elsewhere for hobbies xP Oh well, all of this feels tangential as fuck, but I'm probably drifting off on this topic because the actual topic this thread is trying to discuss is incredibly dull to me, as well as the way the discussion in response to it seems to be heading is a direction that I find equally as trite. |
ManabanApr 5, 2018 8:42 AM
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| Stop watch harem and battle shounens then. |
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Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: @Manaban I'm not demanding anything, by the way. I'm just calling it like it is. I mean, sure, but what I'm trying to say is that I think there's a bigger picture than just what you're suggesting with the idea you put forth. That's the point I was kind of thinking of - what's more important to you here? The series adhering to the logical conclusion of how a scenario would play out in our dimension like you're suggesting with your example, or creating a sense of believability within the confines of the setting and narrative to the events as they unfold? They're not mutually inclusive things and all. Though I'm not especially interested in defending Death Note, truth be told - in fact I'm kind of put off from having this conversation just because I don't want to end up being misunderstood with where I'm coming from and having people thinking I'm in that position >_> Just more of a conceptual thing to me, I guess, you know? |
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nonfumi said: Retarded characters are convenient for story telling True.Rather than seeing the main character is a strong guy,people like to see how a retarded character grow,as you know there'll be more character development in my opinion. |
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ThreadFazer said: Ericonator said: Are you sure about that, cause there's a bunch of people who Won't agree with you.Yep, and it's true for a lot of people. Those people who would disagree have clearly never spent more than 5 minutes on this board. |
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| I think that's because of the type of anime you are used to watching. If you ignore the anime targetted at a younger audience then you wont have this issue. I find it funny how most of the times, the people that complain about an aspect of an anime are older people (or at least in their mid to late teens). Perhaps that should give you an idea as to why you are complaining, perhaps because you have outgrown those types of anime. |
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Manaban said: ThreadFazer said: Are you sure about that, cause there's a bunch of people who Won't agree with you. Those people who would disagree have clearly never spent more than 5 minutes on this board. This. Also you may need to check your spelling there @ThreadFazer as dumpfuck is this |
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| Maybe it's just part of animation tradition, the hijinks of the stupid characters add comedy to a series. Same with western cartoons, (ie Homer Simpson) Dumb characters are just funny. |
| Because the creators know what type of people watch anime, and they want those people to be able to project themselves onto the main character of a show. |
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