| Saitama is the strongest and most powerful in his own series. Kirito is the best player in SAO and pretty much any game he plays Alucard from Hellsing is the single most OP character in the series and no one come close to him Kenshiro in Fist of the North Star is nearly unstoppable. to me thats a flaw , I don't mind main characters being overpowered, but at the very least there has to be someone who is still stronger and more powerful in the long run |
Raptors0verlordOct 21, 2017 3:42 PM
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| I don’t understand why that would be a flaw. It just means the plot can’t be focused around obtaining more power or beating stronger people for obvious reasons. Edit: I agree w/ @15poundfish |
| but saitama has to be op that's the whole point |
nagisa113 said: but saitama has to be op that's the whole point OK, what if its not the point , not necessary in OPM but any other series |
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| I rather take some overpowered protagonist than one who let's others fight their battles. |
| Sakamoto is the coolest guy on the planet. And this made his show fucking awesome. |
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| OPM got boring after the first episode so yeah. And I haven't finished Hellsing Ultimate yet cause that bores me too. I'd rather see a character with a personality I like than one who could make the universe implode with no effort. I wanna see the main character have to struggle and prove themselves despite the odds. |
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| As long as the show has something else to offer I don't care. Like if the character is OP and has minimal personality and there aren't enough interesting characters outside of the MC then it's concerning. Or if the show specifically caters to show off how OP the MC is by detracting from other aspects or outright ignoring events (To use the easy example of OPM it's done by repeating a pattern of having high ranking heroes lose major fights only to be inevitably saved by Saitama to show how great he is it just gets frustrating to watch. Like I think they did a pretty solid job with Genos but he gets rekt in like every situation despite trying his best at least going by the first season). Using the exact opposite example if the MC is really weak, like to the point where they are literally carried by the other characters, wouldn't it be equally as bad as 1 OP character carrying everybody else. |
| Kirito isn't the strongest character though, Yuuki can kick his ass (if she was still alive) the only reason why he was the most OP in SAO (besides Heathcliff) is because he goes solo, so he does not have to share exp. If you ever played an MMO, sometimes grinding by yourself can be much faster than being with a team (depends on how good the group is and if shared exp is a thing in the game). He is also OP by the start of Alfheim because his stats carried over from SAO. I can guarantee some Nerd who has a bag strapped to his leg and has a shit bucket with 20,000 log hours can rek Kirito. |
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| Depends. However, I'd rather watch an "overpowered" protagonist, than the one who is choking on his own tears every second episode. |
| I think we can agree on the fact that users probably doesn't hate the character itself, but how his action affected the story of the series. |
| That depends on the series for me. Using the examples you brought up, Saitama works as a character in spite of his inability to find his match because a challenge is the one thing he wants but can't have. He's not one of the deepest characters in anime, but he's portrayed in a believable way, the world doesn't revolve around him, and he has good chemistry with the rest of the cast. And that, in my opinion, is good enough for what the series was going for. Kirito, on the other hand, is a standard case of terrible writing, for a myriad of reasons. I could detail those, but we'd be here all day. So, to answer your question, yes and no. I think it's less a question of power and more a question of consequence. In order to maintain tension and drama, it's necessary to maintain the feeling that the character in question is allowed to lose something, whether that something be the battle at hand, their connection with a loved one, or even simply their own pride. One good example of this is Deku vs Bakugo in My Hero Academia. In this battle, Deku wanted to prove that he can win without relying on his self-destructive power, and Bakugo wanted to prove that he's the best fighter around. The fight ended with neither of them proving their point. The fight ended with both of them being proven wrong. Your typical OP protagonist, such as Kirito, lacks this sense of allowed consequence. We know that even in the unlikely case that Kirito fails, that failure will have no long-term influence on his character development, or on future events. We know that he's not allowed to lose anything, therefore all tension is lost. In fact, SAO Abridged does for the most part fix this problem, and managed to create some pretty awesome moments even though I had already seen the original and knew how it was going to end. Notably, instead of shrugging off Sachi's death the next episode to the point that you lose nothing by skipping the episode, Sachi's death instead profoundly affects him, becoming integral to his future actions and growth. In SAO Abridged, Kirito was allowed to fail, and that failure had consequence, where in the original SAO it didn't. But, that's just my views on the subject of OP characters. |
_Ako_ said: I think we can agree on the fact that users probably doesn't hate the character itself, but how his action affected the story of the series. Or how he is being portrayed in the series. Both Alucard and Swagamoto are portrayed as Alien gods, making them unrelatable while the others around them are relatable. Their shows are build around them being gods. This actually worked in both of their shows favor. |
| it gets annoying if i have to see the main character fighting all the time, if they focus in the other characters an they are legit good fighters an not just punching bags an the villains are an actual threat then i wont mind the mc being OP |
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| Are you just using OPM and SAO to garner attention to the topic? If you're complaining about the OP-ness of Saitama you're clearly not watching the show correctly and Kirito is in no way OP. |
PaulOct 21, 2017 5:00 PM
| For me it's not the fact that they are the most powerful but more of how the series is executed around that fact... SAO failed because of they executed it poorly... It's less the idea but more of how they use it that makes a big difference |
| I don't see a problem with it. Sometimes I love it, like with Ye Xiu/ Lord Grim from The King's Avatar. He was the single, strongest character in the anime, undefeated. But with this, we got badass fight scenes and a cool character who is known and feared worldwide. |
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| I don't mind the mc being op. As long as the story makes sense, i'm fine with it. I'd watch an op guy beating everyone up rather than watching a mc who cries every episode. |
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| I mean, part of the reason why shows like Code Geass and Death Note are popular is cause of the OP protagonists so yeah, I find it enjoyable most of the time whenever the protag is OP as hell. That being said, I guess it also kinda depends on the characters other characteristics cause you can have OP protagonists like in Aldnoah.Zero, and still have them not enjoyable |
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| Isn't the main character of Hellsing Seras Victoria and not Alucard anyway? |
| It depends on the story. Every overpowered protagonist is enjoyable to watch as long as it does not turn into a heavy harem. I'm not against harem but it is the development that annoys me. |
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| It's fine if the character starts off OP, but if they suddenly hit OP status, it gets annoying. |
| As long as they don't start out that way, I don't mind. The MC has to struggle in order to be a kickass motherfucker. |
| "In this world, evil can arise from the best of intentions. And there is good which can come from evil intentions" |
| I don't see it as a flaw, as long as it doesn't take away anything or hurt the series itself. It also helps if they make the character interesting and the series is self-aware enough to understand how overpowered the MC is. |
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| Just depends on the series. OPM is ALL about Saitama beating everything without ever trying. Kirito is an example of a poor OP protagonist because the show will sometimes try to pass him off as if he's not OP, but two episodes later he's back to being the best. But in Hellsing Ultimate or say Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei, Alucard and Tatsuya respectively are supposed to be the strongest, that's the whole point. It's all about watching them kick ass in extraordinary fashion. Not flaws, just different purposes behind the characters. |
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| I love it when they're OP like that we can see amazing action scenes of them completely destroying their opponents. |
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here we go again, another one accusing me of trying to garner attantion, but then again isn't that what all thread tries? are you also reading the first post? I also brought up Kinshiro who is unstoppable the main point here is the MC being the absolute strongest and how people think about it |
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| Is quite funny, especially when some random smug villain thinks he (since most of them tend to be males) is some hot shit and challenges the MC just to get his sorry ass wiped out. It was one of the highlights of Mahouka, tbh. |
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| I prefer OP characters to shitty characters like Subaru |
xketura said: I rather take some overpowered protagonist than one who let's others fight their battles. This. I'm sick and tired of fighting-harem animes with useless protagonists. |
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| Sorry I like this more than a beta cuck mc. I dont want someone screaming, crying ever episode, makes flashback scenes, or friendship bullshit. |
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_Ako_ said: I think we can agree on the fact that users probably doesn't hate the character itself, but how his action affected the story of the series. More like, how he reacts to stuff that's happening to him |
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| Having an overpowered character is not fundamentally a bad thing, it's about how then make that character endearing to the audience. Onii-sama from Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei is a snorefest, but Izayoi is really fun to watch. nymi said: Sorry I like this more than a beta cuck mc. I dont want someone screaming, crying ever episode, makes flashback scenes, or friendship bullshit. Hey man, they've got to pander. How can all the Japanese otakus self-insert if the main character isn't either bland as fuck or a loser? |
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BurningSpirit said: Having an overpowered character is not fundamentally a bad thing, it's about how then make that character endearing to the audience. Onii-sama from Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei is a snorefest, but Izayoi is really fun to watch. nymi said: Sorry I like this more than a beta cuck mc. I dont want someone screaming, crying ever episode, makes flashback scenes, or friendship bullshit. Hey man, they've got to pander. How can all the Japanese otakus self-insert if the main character isn't either bland as fuck or a loser? We need more izayoi main protagonist in action or shounen. Not those same things ive mentioned above. It is cringey that I have to speed it up while watching those beta cuck mc. |
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| Nope, competent and skilled MCs slaughtering weaker overconfident bad guys who didn't know who they messing with is fun as hell. |
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| i don't mind because it's give more spotlight to other character... but if other character still suck, then the problem rise... |
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| It can be done right, and it can be done poorly. |
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| No depends how the story work. Something like SAO is bland af. Similiar blandness could be found in Isekai smartphone but that doesn't mean k dislike it. Onepunch is a parody. Mahouka Kokkou no Rettosei have a backlash for his opness so it's reasonable. Like i said it depends on how it conducted. |
| There is sometimes where I think it breaks the enjoyment. I hate when there are several characters that have powers and are important characters but the MCs power makes them look like garbage. Bleach is a good example. Ichigo became so OP that it just felt like everyone else had no point in trying to help him. It made all the MCs friends become just useless characters. It felt like every time there was an episode dedicated to a side character improving it was just useless and a waste of time. |
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Raptors0verlord said: here we go again, another one accusing me of trying to garner attantion, but then again isn't that what all thread tries? are you also reading the first post? I also brought up Kinshiro who is unstoppable the main point here is the MC being the absolute strongest and how people think about it No, the point is you're hating on OP characters that its the joke in their show and a character that isn't even OP in the first place. Which is why I said you're clearly not watching those specific shows correctly. |
PaulOct 22, 2017 6:54 AM
| Execution, execution, execution. But enough about your punishment for creating this thread. Having an overpowered main character can be done well, or it can be done badly. It's all about how the show handles their characters and juggles their traits against the setting, the tone, their flaws or confounding traits, the other characters. ...just like, you know, any other show. |
| For me the problem isn't that the MC is overpowered, usually. The problem tends to be when the anime portrays the MC as being weak/inexperienced but,he defeats everything with no effort at all. |
| Yes, it's kind of annoying. Doesn't really make much of a story, either. |
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| It is better than the beta males we receive each season , who cares |
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