Russia cracking down on "feminist extremists"

Altairius said:

Ending the university system altogether might just solve this problem though. Even if you have groups of degenerates meeting up, it won't matter because they can't indoctrinate your children.

isekai said:


ending university system? like ending all universities? if so good luck with your economy

Altairius said:


Typical leftist who thinks only Big Brother can educate us.

If you can demonstrate knowledge, it shouldn't matter where you gained it.

isekai said:


lol oh right we got online schools and youtube educational videos now, too bad its not yet as effective as a university/college education no matter how bad the current college education is

Altairius said:


There's no evidence for that. The evidence is all in the direction of universities being little more than extremely expensive daycare. As for actually useful career paths, people should just have to prove they have the knowledge.

I know it sucks to think of a world where people aren't paying tens of thousands to be indoctrinated into your worldview, but try to make actual arguments.

The women – Lolita Agamalova, Lada Garina, Elena Ivanova, Taisia Simonova, and Oksana Vasyakina – had planned to spend a week in a small camp by the Black Sea to learn more about feminism and exchange best practices in a friendly environment free of “sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and any sort of xenophobia.” But a few days before the camp’s launch, Simonova and several others received hate messages on social networks from supposed Cossacks threatening to attack the camp because allegedly feminism runs contrary to “traditional values.” On August 12, another “Cossack” threatened Simonova, one of the organizers, on her cellphone. The organizers decided to cancel the camp for security reasons, but by that time, some of the participants were already on their way.

isekai said:


you have no evidence for what you are saying either, and im not a blind follower here since i said the education like college is shit too but its the best we got right now and it shows

you have to convince me and us on how to get better education dude, show us this alternative you are thinking of

Altairius said:


The default is not putting taxes and tuition fees into an insanely expensive, ideologically biased, dysfunctional education system. The burden of proof is on you to show that we should be putting all of this money toward these places and granting them status as arbiters of education.

isekai said:


look again i know the education system right now is shit but you are just criticizing the education system without detailing any alternative, show this better alternative you have in mind is what im asking you repeatedly now

Altairius said:


Okay. I get now that I have to explain this in more detail because you've been indoctrinated to think you have to have government run education of some kind.

I'm saying let each individual decide where they look for knowledge on a given subject. They could pay someone, or they could just learn on the internet. There is zero evidence that the only valid way to learn something is by paying tens of thousands plus taxes into some bloated leftist system where you end up having to take a bunch of classes that have nothing to do with your job path of choice.

isekai said:


lol how many times im gonna keep saying that i know the education system is shit right now but its the best we got at the moment

so your only problem is the college debt? simple support the proposal of Bernie Sanders that taxing more the rich will create more middle class by making the government fund more freely the college education for example

although we do not have evidence if online education is a better alternative than traditional education, we do know that online education functions like home school education that i heard is not better than a traditional school education

Altairius said:


Am I talking to a brick wall? I'm asking why we need an education system at all.

There would be no college debt for the rich to pay if you did away with these colleges.

By online education I mean just literally finding information online, not "online classes" out of some college.

isekai said:


because the traditional education we have works for many years now, without a strong educated workforce then technological advancement will be less or stop and then the economy will suffer

the only major problem i see right now is the right wing economics like trickle down economics

as for college education sure some are outdated info but its still the best place for learning the basics since learning in a learning oriented environment is tons better than learning on the internet where you will be more distracted to open another tab and procrastinate, i do not know about your whole college setting there but this is my experience here in a third world country

thats why im asking you to detail this alternative you have in mind like online education and convince me or even us skeptics about your idea

Altairius said:


What do you mean by "it works"? Why would allowing people complete freedom in education and freedom from college debt lessen the education level of the workforce? That's precisely backward.

That's on you if you can't focus. You're not cut out for that line of work then. You've been saved all of this time and money and you're complaining about getting distracted by your porn tab?

There's not that much detail to add. You just learn wherever and then demonstrate to a given employer that you have the necessary knowledge. It's on you to explain why we should add this burden of time and money that gets eaten up in the current system.

Altairius said:


Okay. I get now that I have to explain this in more detail because you've been indoctrinated to think you have to have government run education of some kind.

I'm saying let each individual decide where they look for knowledge on a given subject. They could pay someone, or they could just learn on the internet. There is zero evidence that the only valid way to learn something is by paying tens of thousands plus taxes into some bloated leftist system.

isekai said:


because there is no proof that the alternative works better like the online education you speak of simple as that

you underestimate the need for learning oriented environment then, a lot of people are easily distracted even in a school setting, and homeschooled kids are usually either regretting it or it shows they perform poorly in the real world

its not always about choice and you cannot simply control your attention always

your alternative is just so shallow thinking though and without even proper evidence to back it up that its better than we have now

DateYutaka said:


i was home school bettwen grade 1 and grade six wit home schooling its the quilty of he turtors and how motivaed the studnt is to lerrn

isekai said:


well its just an educated guess on my part to relate homeschooling with online education because we do have data on how good online education is to replace traditional school settings

isekai said:


because there is no proof that the alternative works better like the online education you speak of simple as that

you underestimate the need for learning oriented environment then, a lot of people are easily distracted even in a school setting, and homeschooled kids are usually either regretting it or it shows they perform poorly in the real world

its not always about choice and you cannot simply control your attention always

your alternative is just so shallow thinking though and without even proper evidence to back it up that its better than we have now

Altairius said:


You're flipping the burden of proof. You're the one suggesting we take on a burden in time and money, and you have to explain why.

You're just making baseless statements. There's no evidence that a "learning oriented environment" can only be created in a college.

It's you and your parents problem if you can't pay attention.

The evidence that it's better is that it lessens the burden in time and money, and thus frees a larger segment of your population, particularly the lower class, to pursue the path they want. Your argument is effectively "well, there's no evidence that putting down this bag of rocks that I'm carrying will help, so I guess I just have to carry on".

isekai said:


>"well, there's no evidence that putting down this bag of rocks that I'm carrying will help, so I guess I just have to carry on".

thats a bad analogy considering we are talking about if online education is better than school settings, by that analogy then why study at all? derp just remove all the rocks you are carrying

history shows the school settings works even if there are problems and now you are proposing an alternative which is online education so really the burden of proof is on you to explain why its better and not the other way around

Altairius said:


That is the most blatant strawman I've ever seen.

That is not what we are arguing about. We are arguing about whether you need government run education. Learning online is merely one of the possibilities in the absence of that. The bag of rocks is the time and money wasted going to and paying for government schools, not the burden of learning itself. I'm amazed that you're able to communicate elsewhere on this forum given how badly you misunderstood what I was saying.

"History shows it works". What does this mean? The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the only valid way to learn is in government schools. That is the positive claim. This is how logic works.

Ardanaz said:
but regular feminism should be fine :/

Swagernator said:

There is no such thing as regular feminism.

isekai said:


well im not the smartest guy around here due to my mental health but really i asked you whats the alternative to school settings or universities in the first place and you said online education even though i was the first to talk about it, the fact is you have not said any alternative in the first place

Altairius said:

Teaching yourself online is one possibility. Others would be paying a tutor or a private school.

The point is that these colleges should not have a monopoly on "expertise", and should receive no taxes. If you can demonstrate the required knowledge, it shouldn't matter if you have a piece of paper from a given institution.

isekai said:


private schools are common here and i graduated from a college christian public school myself so ye i do not see a problem with that as long as the school is producing competitive enough future workforce

Altairius said:


We're still forced to get a degree and pay taxes on Harvard and these other cancerous institutions though. This severely limits the % of the population who is able to enter higher paying jobs. Anyone concerned with class mobility should be completely with me on this.

isekai said:


you pay taxes for a private school like Harvard? even if that is the case its still one of the best school around the world so dont you think the taxes you pay are worth it?

sure you may not be a student of Harvard but that kind of school helps your economy and the world economy as a whole more producing intelligent workforce

Altairius said:


No, it doesn't. There is no evidence that Harvard can teach people anything they can't learn elsewhere. It's gigantic parasite and runs purely on prestige.

It's also horrendously anti-white in its admittance, as are all other major universities in the US (anti-Asian as well, to a lesser degree). Whites should be 77.46% of enrolled students based on SAT scores, but are only 44.35%. Within that, Jews are 23%, and are overrepresented based on test scores by a factor of 3. They discriminate like this through a process called "Holistic Review" (newspeak if I ever heard it). In other words, non-Jewish whites are getting the shaft.

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/17/affirmative-action/

Of course, it would be a huge scandal if universities were discriminating against blacks or Hispanics. It's starting to be a scandal that they discriminate against Asians, even though whites are more discriminated against, especially non-Jewish whites.

We need to just pull funding from all of these cancerous institutions and stop requiring degrees. Allow people to learn on their own terms. That is how you unleash the true potential of your population. I suspect balkanization is more likely to happen than that though, unless you think "new Americans" are suddenly going to start supporting meritocracy.

traed said:
They went to camp to talk and get away from things.


https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/08/14/authorities-southern-russia-scared-feminism

Bernrika said:


A literal monster. Based Putin for cracking down these dangerous terrorists.


Yes, this is sarcasm.

Bernrika said:
A literal monster. Based Putin for cracking down these dangerous terrorists.


Yes, this is sarcasm.

spuukiebuugi said:
okay, i hate modern feminists as much as the next person, but going back to the 1950s? ew, no thank you, ewww.

Ardanaz said:
What were they doing though?
I'm all for stopping the extremist feminism and the social justice stuff, but regular feminism should be fine :/