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Darek said: "It is a deconstruction of Ecchi and Harem, not just a simple one." - Need I say who? Monogatari Fags LMAO i was gonna say something similar "this is the correct way to implement ecchi/fanservice" |
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Red_Ryu12345 said: "You don't understand the genius of this pretenious masterpiece" "you aren't supposed to enjoy or like the characters" "The characters are totes realistic" "The show has deep not surface level symbolism" "the lore and story don't matter" - Eva fanboys I've been slow to notice, but...  Go listen to Lain's OP I posted in the previous page, look at that pic carefully, and think about the meaning of life and our place in the universe. |
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| i cannot count how many times ive heard that one. romagia said: i actually have this friend who keeps recommending these light novels XD"you need to read the 60 hour porn novel" fsn fans MorningPersona said: oh yeah thats a well used one"the start is slow and boring but it gets better later on" |
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| The only one that I've seen on multiple occasions from different people, albeit not so much on here but mostly on reddit and YT comments fights, and has always pissed me off is what @Darek said earlier with Monogatari - "It's a deconstruction of harem & ecchi," which mostly seems to be (asininely) brought up in response to somebody calling monogatari either or both of those things as if it were a defense. It already kind of reminds me of people saying Madoka is a deconstruction, but the stupidity feels ramped up because I don't think I've ever seen anybody say "Madoka is a deconstruction of Mahou Shoujo" to try and use it as a defense to people calling it a Mahou Shoujo. Unless I just haven't been around Madoka fans enough, I don't particularly care about that series enough to even want to arse myself to keep up with discussions over it. But yeah, the "Monogatari is a deconstruction of harem/ecchi" can burn in hell |
ManabanAug 23, 2017 1:34 PM
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kawaii96desu said: My fav excuses. The 1st is the best, you will see it on every popular anime."If you hate it so much then why don't you just drop it" - most common answer "You are such a kid, lmao" - actual comment on my profile "Just because the anime is too hard for you to understand that doesn't mean it's bad, alright?" - tfw too smart and of course the classic: |
Clebardman said: Red_Ryu12345 said: "You don't understand the genius of this pretenious masterpiece" "you aren't supposed to enjoy or like the characters" "The characters are totes realistic" "The show has deep not surface level symbolism" "the lore and story don't matter" - Eva fanboys I've been slow to notice, but... Go listen to Lain's OP I posted in the previous page, look at that pic carefully, and think about the meaning of life and our place in the universe. Haven't seen Lain. I've seen Eva enough times to know I hate it and think it sucks. |
| "Taking a look at your favourites i deem your opinion automatically invalid." "You like "example: SAO" so you're not able to have a valid opinion or hate on "example: Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann(probably one of the favourites of the person who's trying to argue against you usually)"." "You just have shit taste!" Some of the best replies i've seen on MAL and also my favourite ones lol especially the shit taste replies. I'd also list various ,often used , Mahouka hate arguments that are pure bullshit but whatever lol. Although i'll list my favourite one. "Having 10 minute magic lessons is boring!" (Even though that's the core concept of the show and is quite far from being boring and i think the science behind how magic works is actually pretty interesting and explained in great depth and it never breaks its own logic and basic laws of how it functions and i think it's a very different and indepth take on shows involving magic instead of giving you the classical explanation "It's magic bitch deal with it") |
AstZeroAug 23, 2017 4:04 PM
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Shoegum said: This is a public service announcement to the users wishing to comment on this topic. This topic is for elitists and smart people only (they are mutually inclusive). If you do not have good taste then please remove yourself from the premises immediately. You all have been warned "It's critically acclaimed" directly from Steins;Gate fans. Like i give a shit about self proclaimed >>>youtube<<< critics =^) "Turn your brain off" and "you didn't understand" are nice ones too @neonshock Ikr, like School Days is supposed to be more than 1/10 because it's a __desconstruction___ of the harem genre |
Deknijff said: Darek said: I can keep up with a series or movie when watching it in their specific orderNo, you didn't. You can fool yourself that it is better because you cannot keep up with it being in a different order but you did not watch it in the right order, OBJECTIVELY. The only right order is the one that has been decided on by the authors anything else might be a personal preference but it is NOT the right order. I just don't like the style Darek so yeah its my preference but doesn't mean I watched it wrong don't consider it objectively right but whatever. The author is free to do whatever they want. As long as the product is good in the end Ill watch it after all -Mahesvara said: Its always the right way to watch if given the opportunity but its up to preference as Darek said Chronological is not always the right way, especially if the story is structured not to be viewed that way. You'd have to be be pretty ignorant and close minded to think that watching something in chronological order is the only right way to watch a series. not ignorant but yes close minded So you think watching One Piece: Strong World Episode 0 before One Piece (example) would not be stupid just because you prefer chronological order? |
Manaban said: Darek said: What does that even mean? What? Like... Wut? it is a pun i think "the word logical was in Chronological Order not Release Order" is that a pun or is it called something else? ._. Thanks, captain. I appreciate this. |
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SuperRed said: would of been better if you used a show I've fully watched. But the answer is that Id probably watch in chrono stillDeknijff said: So you think watching One Piece: Strong World Episode 0 before One Piece (example) would not be stupid just because you prefer chronological order?I can keep up with a series or movie when watching it in their specific order I just don't like the style Darek so yeah its my preference but doesn't mean I watched it wrong don't consider it objectively right but whatever. The author is free to do whatever they want. As long as the product is good in the end Ill watch it after allIts always the right way to watch if given the opportunity but its up to preference as Darek said not ignorant but yes close minded |
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Deknijff said: SuperRed said: would of been better if you used a show I've fully watched. But the answer is that Id probably watch in chrono stillSo you think watching One Piece: Strong World Episode 0 before One Piece (example) would not be stupid just because you prefer chronological order? You know somethings are just meant to be watched afterwards right? Like the example I gave contains characters you would know nothing about if you watched it first. |
SuperRed said: Im totally fine with that so not really a problem Deknijff said: Like the example I gave contains characters you would know nothing about if you watched it first.would of been better if you used a show I've fully watched. But the answer is that Id probably watch in chrono still |
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| "It's too deep for you to understand, obviously." Because I simply cannot dislike the narrative style. Another reason must be found. So obviously it must be that I didn't understand the very basic high school level philosophy the show is trying to espouse. "You have Toradora in your favorites. Ergo, you're a shit-taste pleb and your opinion is invalid." I should consider putting SAO or Eromanga-sensei in my favorites to filter out the people without brain defects. "It has adult characters ergo it is a mature story and must be rated 8/10 at the least no matter how utter f*cking shit it is." Bonus, because I've been wanting to lob hardbound dictionaries at the screen for a long while: "Calling me an elitist as an insult? Since when is it an insult to have refined taste?" Isn't that what elitism is? The belief that having some arbitrary characteristics (e.g. refined taste) makes you superior? Having "refined-taste" is not the problem. Being snob about it is. And if you don't think its an insult, good for you. Nothing against you personally, but good god that signature is an abomination. |
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| Watching in chronological order no matter what is the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. If the author structures their story in non-chronological order then they're trying to achieve a certain effect through your lack of knowledge at various points in the story. It can be for the purpose of mystery, impact, or whatever else, but you completely undercut that and potentially make the story nonsensical as well (since the author won't be "introducing" characters in chronologically earlier parts of the story they released later). I absolutely would not take criticisms seriously from someone who insists on watching that way their first time through. This criticism isn't stupid. Your watching style is, Deknijff. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Darek said: "It is a deconstruction of Ecchi and Harem, not just a simple one." - Need I say who? Monogatari Fags Wait, people actually say this? Monogatari doesn't subvert anything particularly significant to the genre, at least not that I'm aware of. That's a pretty odd way to try to "excuse" liking it. @Manaban Afaik some Madoka fans use its alleged "deconstruction" status as an excuse to not bother checking out much else from the genre. It's like how people who like NGE or TTGL act like they're exceptions rather than indicative that they might actually like mecha. Regardless, Madoka isn't a "deconstruction" at all. The mahou shoujo genre is no stranger to death, deception, and cynicism. It's just that the people who watch Madoka Magica haven't seen enough mahou shoujo to have any idea what they're talking about. |
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| "Nobody's forcing you to watch/read it" I've seen this SO MANY TIMES. |
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TripleSRank said: Wait, people actually say this? Monogatari doesn't subvert anything particularly significant to the genre, at least not that I'm aware of. That's a pretty odd way to try to "excuse" liking it. Yeah. I mean, I've seen recent reviews even lambasting it for being shitty as a deconstruction because the sentiment is widespread enough for it to exist to where people will go into the series expecting that in some cases. It isn't as widespread as it is with Madoka, but it's widespread enough to where I think it's a problem still. It's mostly brought up in the context of whether or not the series should be considered a harem/ecchi, though, presumably to try and distance itself from those labels in most cases, given the context I've mostly seen it applied in. Which seems kind of redundant, hence why I compared it to Madoka - it wouldn't be that the reason it's brought up is to avoid anything else from the genre, per se, but to say it doesn't belong to the genre itself and shouldn't be watched as if it is. i.e. here's a conversation I found a while ago that can serve as a summary of what I'm trying to communicate.   I can only assume it's because Monogatari has more lanes of appeal than just the amount of female characters or ecchi moments and thus that draws a larger audience to it, honestly, and within that larger crowd there are just people who really dislike those two genres and operate on enough of an extreme to where they wouldn't want to admit to liking something from them. But at the same time the same can be said for KLK, and I don't see the same number of KLK fans basically falsifying something about it for the sake of distancing itself from aspects they may not have liked it for, even if I find some of the things said about it kind of off-the-wall and absurd sometimes. |
ManabanAug 23, 2017 5:15 PM
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Darek said: "It is a deconstruction of Ecchi and Harem, not just a simple one." - Need I say who? Monogatari Fags Hey man....You just don't....that toothbrush scene is very symbolic! |
| "you should have liked it, it had a gay romance" - yaoi girls thinking just because it's gay means the story / characters aren't shit. "you're not a true fan unless you've read and watched x, y, and z." MorningPersona said: "the start is slow and boring but it gets better later on" literally hate this so much. |
StripesAug 23, 2017 5:53 PM
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Darek said: TripleSRank said: Yeah... Not that often but they do, they also like to call it deep because it has a lot of symbolism only the symbolism rarely tells anything actually of substance but das besides.Watching in chronological order no matter what is the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. If the author structures their story in non-chronological order then they're trying to achieve a certain effect through your lack of knowledge at various points in the story. It can be for the purpose of mystery, impact, or whatever else, but you completely undercut that and potentially make the story nonsensical as well (since the author won't be "introducing" characters in chronologically earlier parts of the story they released later). I absolutely would not take criticisms seriously from someone who insists on watching that way their first time through. This criticism isn't stupid. Your watching style is, Deknijff. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wait, people actually say this? Monogatari doesn't subvert anything particularly significant to the genre, at least not that I'm aware of. That's a pretty odd way to try to "excuse" liking it. @Manaban Afaik some Madoka fans use its alleged "deconstruction" status as an excuse to not bother checking out anything else from the genre. It's like how people who like NGE or TTGL act like they're exceptions rather than indicative that they might actually like mecha. Regardless, Madoka isn't a "deconstruction" at all. The mahou shoujo genre is no stranger to death, deception, and cynicism. It's just that the people who watch Madoka Magica haven't seen enough mahou shoujo to have any idea what they're talking about. I have never met with people claiming that NGE and TTGL are different to avoid being called a mecha fan. It seems like most of the time Code Geass is the anime of choice of the "I don't like mecha but ___ is actually good" crowd. Like every NGE and TTGL fan I know likes mecha overall. Deep and Monogatari probably shouldn't even occur in the same sentence but w/e floats people's boats I guess. I like it for the witty dialogue and characterization, myself. The mysteries are quite serviceable too. Araragi is a bit of a creep, but he doesn't get obnoxious often enough to ruin the franchise for me. Code Geass completes the trifecta, yes. Of the three I'd imagine that the NGE watchers are the most likely to branch out further. It's pretty rare for me to see someone who is prejudiced against the genre and has watched TTGL/Code Geass to give anything else a chance. I think Aldnoah.Zero got some of that crowd awhile back, but I've also heard it sucks, so that might have been counterproductive. Is this something you're seeing on MAL or outside MAL? The vast majority of my interaction with the anime fandom takes place on MAL and MAL seems more predisposed against mecha than the fandom generally, so that could be coloring my perception if you're seeing that a lot elsewhere. Manaban said: TripleSRank said: Wait, people actually say this? Monogatari doesn't subvert anything particularly significant to the genre, at least not that I'm aware of. That's a pretty odd way to try to "excuse" liking it. Yeah. I mean, I've seen recent reviews even lambasting it for being shitty as a deconstruction because the sentiment is widespread enough for it to exist to where people will go into the series expecting that in some cases. It isn't as widespread as it is with Madoka, but it's widespread enough to where I think it's a problem still. It's mostly brought up in the context of whether or not the series should be considered a harem/ecchi, though, presumably to try and distance itself from those labels in most cases, given the context I've mostly seen it applied in. Which seems kind of redundant, hence why I compared it to Madoka - it wouldn't be that the reason it's brought up is to avoid anything else from the genre, per se, but to say it doesn't belong to the genre itself and shouldn't be watched as if it is. i.e. here's a conversation I found a while ago that can serve as a summary of what I'm trying to communicate. [im g]https://image.prntscr.com/image/hVGGLBe1Qdeu_0_pkQ-cXw.png[/im g] [im g]https://image.prntscr.com/image/uWLBlP41R66TICZ96jcZyA.png[/im g] I can only assume it's because Monogatari has more lanes of appeal than just the amount of female characters or ecchi moments and thus that draws a larger audience to it, honestly, and within that larger crowd there are just people who really dislike those two genres and operate on enough of an extreme to where they wouldn't want to admit to liking something from them. But at the same time the same can be said for KLK, and I don't see the same number of KLK fans basically falsifying something about it for the sake of distancing itself from aspects they may not have liked it for, even if I find some of the things said about it kind of off-the-wall and absurd sometimes. You would have to be pretty heavily in denial to argue that Monogatari isn't ecchi/harem. There are clearly multiple romantic interests, and the amount of ecchi content speaks for itself I think. Labeling it a deconstruction makes no sense whatsover to me either since, again, I don't know what it's subverting that's a core tenant of the genre. If you like it then explain what you like about it, I say. That's what I do, and the only reason I see to not do it is the fear that someone would say "this show has that too" and they're predisposed against watching anything from the genre. For me though, if someone told me about other ecchi/harems like Monogatari then I might be interested. I definitely do have issues with the genre, but I don't think that should translate into assuming there aren't any shows in it I could get something susbtantive/fun out of. |
| "Don't judge the series from the anime" "It's super nostalgic, so that makes it my number 1" |
| "You watched it wrong, watch again." I get really annoyed at this particular one because of just how obstinate it is. The person can't think of any other reason that someone wouldn't like their pet show rather than being too dense to understand it or being wrong because yes. Deknijff said: You watched it in the wrong order my favourite excuse. Because it just shows how little they can defend their show I had the same problem with a nutjob that claimed I needed to watch everything they released before Kizumonogatari in order to understand it, when Kizu is actually the second light novel published and its an almost word by word adaptation. |
| @Darek @TripleSRank I must say I saw people diss mecha while still liking those three, but the ones who saw NGE or TTGL are usually bearable and just not that much interested. I swear if any other CG fan tells me "mecha sucks because it's all about who has the better robot but CG is different because le battle of wits" I'll force him to watch Transformers until he dies >:c |
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| "You just hate it because it's popular or mainstream" is my favorite too lol. People who say it are so fucking stupid. |
| "They're doing that intentionally!" "It was to be expected; it's just a [insert genre or target audience here]." These are excuses I consider when a trite or detracting trope, such as tsundere behavior, is used in a work. |
ImNotHereAug 23, 2017 6:30 PM
| "It's good because it's popular" - Words from One Piece fans who are blinded by their fanboy logic |
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| "It gets good in season 3454654 episode 34!" |
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| Man, I'm wondering what group y'all have been hanging around in. To be honest I've rarely, if ever, had someone make spiteful remarks towards my dislike of something. Actually now that I remember, my IRL friend got pissed when I said I dropped KonoSuba, telling me that it gets better. But that's about it, really. LAPX said: romagia said: Holy crap I hate this the most, like I'd read it if it wasn't eroge, but the series can still be enjoyed without reading it"you need to read the 60 hour porn novel" fsn fans The sex scenes take up like 2% of the whole thing. You can even get a copy that comes without them entirely. |
AltoRoarkAug 23, 2017 7:08 PM
LAPX said: Don't worry, I was only addressing the people who've said this and have only watched Attack on TitanMy friend's little sister is so annoying she's always all like "omg I'm such a weeb anime is great" bitch all you've seen is Attack on Titan and Fairy Tale. Attack on Titan is a good show (haven't seen fairy tale) but chill a bit, it isn't good enough to make me look like a loser by blasting the OP on your phone and asking me how awesome the song is in the middle of band practice |
| Madoka Magical is a deconstruction of the magical girl genre.This is why it is the best anime ever -Madoka Fanboys NO IT IS GODAMN NOT. It is just a dark magical girl show. Jeez guys it is good but not the best anime ever. |
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| Oh and all the comments on how source material is relevant, I don't care what people say, I enjoyed S1 of Tokyo Ghoul even if it strayed so far from the manga |
| It's not gay I just watch it for fun. ~ Yuri on ice, Free and dive! fanboys |
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SupremeEdgelord said: What does the "deconstruction" thing even mean? Sorry,i'm a dummy. Under the Scope does a good job explaining the concept well. |
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| "The manga/light novel was better" Anime should be able to stand alone, its source material isn't a defense for the anime. "It's subjective." Yeah taste is definitely subjective, but going immediately to that as a defense to the first question I ask is just an excuse. Often questions can be answered a few layers in before "It's subjective" is needed. "You just hate it because it's popular" Sure it might hold truth for some people, but I've liked and disliked countless anime regardless of popularity. |
| I'm not a lolicon, you're just projecting your tendency to lewd 2D characters. If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
| "the fanservice /doesn't take away from the story/isn't distracting" "everyone says its good" "everyone else is watching it" "theres no filler" "it's in the top 100" "it was made by miyazaki" LMAO theres so much shit people are mentioning that i say all the time.. i guess ill just keep saying it then XD |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 23, 2017 10:25 PM
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| "Oh, you don't like this anime? well too bad LOL I found a show in your favorites that I personally dislike, so therefore your opinion is invalid :^)" Every damn time |
| source material is better than the anime :^) I used this one |
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DancingTheBa said: "But its in the top 100 on MAL so you can't say it's not good!* "If you go brain dead you can enjoy it more" "The first 50 episodes isn't as good as the rest of the show" -Gintama fans lol the Gintama one, heard that one a lot |
| Help the industry and buy Blu-rays and DVD's. Noragami is the best anime ever.  |
romagia said: heyyy :'( the vn is actually worth playing *cries in the corner*"you need to read the 60 hour porn novel" fsn fans Something like "You haven't even read the manga yet..." is also kind of common. |
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