| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere There you go. :P Google can be useful for finding this kind of information. I don't know the characters you're talking about, so I can't help you there. |
KristunarMay 12, 2017 1:28 AM
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| You either love them or hate them. (if you hate them then sorry my friend you are just another random casual). There is no definition. |
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| According to Wikipedia: Tsundere (ツンデレ?, pronounced [tsɯndeɾe]) is a Japanese term for a character development process that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing a warmer side over time. The word is derived from the terms tsun tsun (ツンツン?), meaning to turn away in disgust, and dere dere (デレデレ?) meaning to become 'lovey dovey' About your question, if take into account Wikipedia's words, Velvet can be considered Tsundere, since she starts the game being a cold, hostile and toxic person, but ends becoming much more kind and heroic by the end of it. |
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| Someone who hides a deep-rooted romantic affection by acting excessively violent towards the person they like. Usually accompanied by a certain set of cliché phrases and excuses |
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| ^That wikipedia definition is actually partially false. It's lacking important components. First of all, it's not a character development process but a personality trait, and the difference is extremely important. Second, to be a tsundere that character need to be already in love during the cold/hostile part of the personality, and it comes from being embarrassed about their own feelings. Basically, tsundere character comes from the typical 'boy who bully the girl he likes because he cannot be honest about his feeling" type of behaviour. If that character simply didn't like another character and then grow to like that character, it's not a tsundere, since it's not a personality trait but simply a succession of events independent of the character's personality traits. Note that you don't need to be violent in order to be tsundere. Physically violent are the most extreme one really. Classic well known example would include characters like Shana (shakugan no shana), Louise de la valliere (zero no tsukaima ), and Misaka Mikoto (Toaru majutsu no Index) . That personality trait can be part of a far more complex personality overall, like for Victorique de Blois (Gosick) or Makise Kurisu (Steins;Gate), or be just the main defining trait for that character's perosnality (like Charlotte in MAchine Doll ga kizutsukanai, for example). The later is the most common and the highest reason for tsundere being disliked by many peoples, as it's generally cardbox copies personality, so bad characters overall. Plenty of peoples on those boards wrongly call characters as "tsundere" as soon as those characters get even a little violent (like slapping the MC, in particular). That's not how it works. That character needs to be in love with the character she/he's being violent with, and that violence (talk or physical) needs to be for no better purpose than hide their own embarrassment toward their feelings. If the character who for example get slapped deserved the slap for what he did, that's NOT tsundere behaviour. If he/she is violent with everyone and therefore that her/his violence has NOTHING TO DO with her feelings toward someone, that's not being tsundere either (ex, taiga from Toradora!). Example of reason to deny tsundere as a trait : -Character confessing early on in the story to whoever he/she likes at that time (ex: Taiga, who isn't a tsundere at all). -Character being honest with her feeling in any way early on -Character who simply isn't in love (or wasn't in love during the violent period) with said character to begin with. |
ZefyrisMay 12, 2017 1:56 AM
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CrimBlacklotus said: So what exactly are Tsunderes? I hear that term a lot. First of all, definitions might confuse you, because the meaning has changed over time. In the beginning, "tsundere" referred to a girl who was all abrasive in the beginning, and got nicer over time. Nowadays, it is about characters who change between nice and violent all the time. Especially the kind @Zefyris said, the ones who get violent when something sexual happens with their love interest and she is not ready for it. Note that there is no reason for tsundere to be female. Kyon from Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu is said to be a male tsundere. No matter how much he might say he dislikes Haruhi and his life, he always returns the world to the way it has been. |
RnDNEET021 said: You know? There's Google Right? Then Search it I wouldn't advise to use google in english to search for obscure japanese slangs. you would have like 99% chance of ending up with a bad definition. If it's not for a slang, or if whoever do the search can search in Japanese directly, then sure. But I doubt it was the case here ;). |
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HaXXspetten said: Someone who hides a deep-rooted romantic affection by acting excessively violent towards the person they like. That is incorrect. "Violence" has nothing to do with being tsundere. Some of them are but some of them are not. |
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| they are disgusting bitches you really don't need to understand that kind of mentally retarded characters |
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| A Tsundere is a person who is in constant denial of their true feelings or intentions. |
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tragedydesu said: they are disgusting bitches you really don't need to understand that kind of mentally retarded characters Lol ignore this one; he's just salty that his crappy "best girl" never wins against tsundere. XD |
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| Here's a good way to check if a character is a tsundere. Go to the character's info page, and if their voice actor is Rie Kugimiya there's a 99% chance that they're a tsundere. |
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| Like everyone above has stated, when a guy or girl expresses some kind of negative reaction/physical violence to you but often follows through with random moments of affection which is usually a reoccurring phrase or action it's usually a tsundere personality trait. They almost always deny their feelings and follow through with something that "defers the character from thinking they like them" but in reality they totally are infatuated with them. A tsundere personality trait is vast and endless, but generally involves this standard. So yeah, if you don't like tsundere girls: Swagernator said: you are just another random casual. |
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Maneki-Mew said: Tsundere: The term to describe a (in most cases) female brat, who needs to be sent to a boot camp for ill-mannered teenagers. Loves to abuse the male main character physically and verbally. Don't lie to the OP just because you don't like the character type. >:I |
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Zefyris said: ^That wikipedia definition is actually partially false. It's lacking important components. First of all, it's not a character development process but a personality trait, and the difference is extremely important. Second, to be a tsundere that character need to be already in love during the cold/hostile part of the personality, and it comes from being embarrassed about their own feelings. Basically, tsundere character comes from the typical 'boy who bully the girl he likes because he cannot be honest about his feeling" type of behaviour. If that character simply didn't like another character and then grow to like that character, it's not a tsundere, since it's not a personality trait but simply a succession of events independent of the character's personality traits. Note that you don't need to be violent in order to be tsundere. Physically violent are the most extreme one really. Classic well known example would include characters like Shana (shakugan no shana), Louise de la valliere (zero no tsukaima ), and Misaka Mikoto (Toaru majutsu no Index) . That personality trait can be part of a far more complex personality overall, like for Victorique de Blois (Gosick) or Makise Kurisu (Steins;Gate), or be just the main defining trait for that character's perosnality (like Charlotte in MAchine Doll ga kizutsukanai, for example). The later is the most common and the highest reason for tsundere being disliked by many peoples, as it's generally cardbox copies personality, so bad characters overall. Plenty of peoples on those boards wrongly call characters as "tsundere" as soon as those characters get even a little violent (like slapping the MC, in particular). That's not how it works. That character needs to be in love with the character she/he's being violent with, and that violence (talk or physical) needs to be for no better purpose than hide their own embarrassment toward their feelings. If the character who for example get slapped deserved the slap for what he did, that's NOT tsundere behaviour. If he/she is violent with everyone and therefore that her/his violence has NOTHING TO DO with her feelings toward someone, that's not being tsundere either (ex, taiga from Toradora!). Example of reason to deny tsundere as a trait : -Character confessing early on in the story to whoever he/she likes at that time (ex: Taiga, who isn't a tsundere at all). -Character being honest with her feeling in any way early on -Character who simply isn't in love (or wasn't in love during the violent period) with said character to begin with. By any chance, did you study anime? :^) |
| Why does that sound so accurate? Hm~ |
Of course it isn't! For example, Rin Tousaka is a tsundere; have you ever seen her abuse Shirou? And there are male tsundere as well (the blond boy in my signature is one) |
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| It's pretty much a synonymous of best girl. |
| You don't have to understand them, you only have to love them. |
 Ｓｗｅｅｔ♥I guess, as long as I have life, all I can do is fight with all my might. |
Ahah. I studied Japanese :). It's not like "tsundere" is an anime-only slang,too. |
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| Watch Toradora. You won't find an example that better captures tsunderes, but also shows them at their most extreme and abusive. Tsunderes are girls who love a boy but bully him and then eventually come to admit their feelings. In the real world, they'd be considered abusive and find themselves in jail. |
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| Tsunderes are bitchy characters that are secretly touchy feely teddy bears. |
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| Overused irrational degenerates. |
TheBrainintheJar said: Watch Toradora. You won't find an example that better captures tsunderes, but also shows them at their most extreme and abusive. Tsunderes are girls who love a boy but bully him and then eventually come to admit their feelings. In the real world, they'd be considered abusive and find themselves in jail. As I pointed in my first post in this thread, there's not a single tsundere in toradora. your mistake is a typical mistake about Tsundere's definition among the english speaking community. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Watch Toradora. You won't find an example that better captures tsunderes. But you find better example in Neon Genesis Evangelion. |
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| They are women who are assholes on the outside cause of their insecurity but in reality they're just soft sweethearts, wanting you to care for them. Add that up and you have essentially what is the best character archetype in anime imo. I love tsunderes because they are like sour patches. I mean, who doesn't like sour patches am I right? |
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Zefyris said: Ahah. I studied Japanese :). It's not like "tsundere" is an anime-only slang,too. I was just suprised by the amount of details in your first post. |
| These wise words, found on MAL: Tsundere (ツンデレ, pronounced tsundeleh) is a stock (often female) character that is defined by her/his reluctance to show kindness (often towards a love interest) by hiding behind a tough, uncaring outer shell. They may also make a progression from being this cold and stand-offish person, to eventually opening up and being truer to her/his feelings. Read more here: https://myanimelist.net/featured/412/Top_19_Tsundere_Characters_in_Anime__What_is_a_Tsundere |
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| You don't try to understand them really. Just say good stuff now and then, take some beating from them and you are good to go. |
  "All it took was an arm and a leg" |
| All you need to know is when they say no, they mean yes and when they say yes, they mean yes. |
| You will know how "profound" a tsundere character is by measuring the loudness of her saying "baka! Onii-chan!" and the redness of her blush afterwards. The number of pantsu shots can also be a factor, like "you pervert onii-chan!" with a very, very kawaii facial expression. It can also be a motif, that "hiding the pantsu" can mean "hiding her feelings/true self" VA can also made a direct impact to it. I mean, a lifeless "baka onii-chan!" just wouldn't cut it, so there should be a "something" in the voice that just clicks it... Paul said: All you need to know is when they say no, they mean yes and when they say yes, they mean yes. Ehhh... Wouldn't that also apply to some normies? If I am not mistaken... :/ |
_Ako_May 13, 2017 9:07 AM
| I am confused. Did I mess up? Just now she just blushed but a blink after a familiar angry expression appear all over her face. What do I do? What do I do? Crap. ^^^That's how Main Character totally not going to think like. |
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| I-it's not like I want to explain tsundere to you. What are you, stupid? |
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Swagernator said: TheBrainintheJar said: Watch Toradora. You won't find an example that better captures tsunderes. But you find better example in Neon Genesis Evangelion. Evangelion spoilers (if you haven't watched it for some reason) Best scene in the series? |
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kamalashki said: i second this asuka is a better tsundere than tora or dora(i forgot which one was which) Ew no F*CK ASUKA. She's just a bitch. Shakugan No Shana is a far better example. |
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| Tsundere - an anime character whose sole purpose of existence is to crush all the better/best characters, physically and verbally abuse the ones they love and then complain and abuse them even more when they spend more time or even look at better people. These are the bitches/bastards that can potentially destroy the plot and add in tons of fanservice, the creators can simply throw in tons of bait for the fans who love these types knowing well that they won't bother with the plot inconsistencies and happily wag their tails at the bait. Their very existence spreads wars and hatred among the fandoms. Example: Female: Chitoge Male: Wolfram At least Chitoge was somewhat understandable as compared to Wolfram, Wolfram is the worst of the worst Also tsunderes - characters who don't know how to express themselves well or have gone through something that made them close themselves from the rest of the world and try to be mean so that others won't try to get close to them but deep down they still want to make friends. These types usually don't physically abuse the MC. Example: Male: Leo from Oushitsu Kyoushi Haine (I always hated tsunderes but this guy has changed my opinion) Female: Asuka, although I thought that she was a complete bitch at the beginning. |
Swagernator said: TheBrainintheJar said: Watch Toradora. You won't find an example that better captures tsunderes. But you find better example in Neon Genesis Evangelion. Asuka was character with an inner darkness. Taiga was just an abusive asshole. Zefyris said: TheBrainintheJar said: Watch Toradora. You won't find an example that better captures tsunderes, but also shows them at their most extreme and abusive. Tsunderes are girls who love a boy but bully him and then eventually come to admit their feelings. In the real world, they'd be considered abusive and find themselves in jail. As I pointed in my first post in this thread, there's not a single tsundere in toradora. your mistake is a typical mistake about Tsundere's definition among the english speaking community. I'm interested. Why is Taiga not a tsundere? She's a bad character, but why? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Asuka was character with an inner darkness. Taiga was just an abusive asshole. Zefyris said: As I pointed in my first post in this thread, there's not a single tsundere in toradora. your mistake is a typical mistake about Tsundere's definition among the english speaking community. I'm interested. Why is Taiga not a tsundere? She's a bad character, but why? I already partially explained why above, and explained it many time before, but okay, why not. Also Taiga is a very well built character, you liking her or not is a different problem. She's very violent, sure, so I can understand why peoples may not like her, but she has reasons to be violent, so putting aside you liking her or not, she's better built than most anime character. So saying she's "bad" is hilariously wrong. 1) A tsundere can be violent (it's not a requirement though) towards the person she's in loves with, but that violence (with words or physical) comes from the embarrassent/being dishonest about her own feelings. Taiga never used violence for such reason. Taiga is violent towards EVERYONE BUT THE PERSON SHE'S IN LOVE WITH. That's because physical violence is the only way Taiga ever learned to defends herself and the persons she cares about (she uses for example violence to help other peoples in the story, by turning the attention towards her immediate violence and so on). ->That's not a tsundere trait. Someone who is violent with everyone doesn't hit the MC because of being a tsundere. In fact, that's even more radical here, because at the beginning of the story, she's in love with Yuusuke, and she is NEVER violent towards yuusuke, she's always nice with him. Later, she becomes in love with the MC, sure, but after realizing it, she never acts violently out of tsundere-ish behaviour towards him. Quite the contrary, in fact. 2) A character that can quickly confess her/his love without being dishonest is NOT a tsundere. Taiga confessed her love to yuusuke in the FIRST volume. Further in, as soon as the MC tells Taiga that he's okay with going out with her (until then she was keeping it secret to not betray her best friend, again, not a tsundere behaviour at all), she literally JUMP IN HIS ARMS. Talk about a tsundere.... Kind of the exact contrary once again here :/. 3) There's two main reasons for peoples calling Taiga a tsundere. The first is that at the beginning she hits the MC and at the end she 's lovey dovey with him; "so tsun then dere", right? Well no. Tsundere is a personality trait, not a succession of happenings. If a woman slap you for whatever when she doesn't like you and then 1 years later is going out with you, that doesn't make her a tsundere lol. Succession of events=/= personality trait. The second is that she's voiced by the "tsundere queen". Little did you know, the director first refused to have kugimiya rie voices Taiga because he was afraid that Taiga would be perceived as a tsundere by mistake due to that voice actor being usually associated with that at that time. But after listening to her audition, he changed his mind due to the voice acting being particularly good. Could go on and on, but as a general rules, characters who quickly confesses aren't tsundere, and characters who are violent for either good reasons or violent because they are violent with everyone aren't "acting like tsundere" just because they hit the MC. If a woman slaps the man she loves because he did something that deserved the slap (recent example : the slap at the end of sukasuka episode 4), that's not being a tsundere, either. |
ZefyrisMay 14, 2017 5:13 AM
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| Basically, kindergarten mentality for affection. |
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Zefyris said: TheBrainintheJar said: Asuka was character with an inner darkness. Taiga was just an abusive asshole. I'm interested. Why is Taiga not a tsundere? She's a bad character, but why? I already partially explained why above, and explained it many time before, but okay, why not. Also Taiga is a very well built character, you liking her or not is a different problem. She's very violent, sure, so I can understand why peoples may not like her, but she has reasons to be violent, so putting aside you liking her or not, she's better built than most anime character. So saying she's "bad" is hilariously wrong. 1) A tsundere can be violent (it's not a requirement though) towards the person she's in loves with, but that violence (with words or physical) comes from the embarrassent/being dishonest about her own feelings. Taiga never used violence for such reason. Taiga is violent towards EVERYONE BUT THE PERSON SHE'S IN LOVE WITH. That's because physical violence is the only way Taiga ever learned to defends herself and the persons she cares about (she uses for example violence to help other peoples in the story, by turning the attention towards her immediate violence and so on). ->That's not a tsundere trait. Someone who is violent with everyone doesn't hit the MC because of being a tsundere. In fact, that's even more radical here, because at the beginning of the story, she's in love with Yuusuke, and she is NEVER violent towards yuusuke, she's always nice with him. Later, she becomes in love with the MC, sure, but after realizing it, she never acts violently out of tsundere-ish behaviour towards him. Quite the contrary, in fact. 2) A character that can quickly confess her/his love without being dishonest is NOT a tsundere. Taiga confessed her love to yuusuke in the FIRST volume. Further in, as soon as the MC tells Taiga that he's okay with going out with her (until then she was keeping it secret to not betray her best friend, again, not a tsundere behaviour at all), she literally JUMP IN HIS ARMS. Talk about a tsundere.... Kind of the exact contrary once again here :/. 3) There's two main reasons for peoples calling Taiga a tsundere. The first is that at the beginning she hits the MC and at the end she 's lovey dovey with him; "so tsun then dere", right? Well no. Tsundere is a personality trait, not a succession of happenings. If a woman slap you for whatever when she doesn't like you and then 1 years later is going out with you, that doesn't make her a tsundere lol. Succession of events=/= personality trait. The second is that she's voiced by the "tsundere queen". Little did you know, the director first refused to have kugimiya rie voices Taiga because he was afraid that Taiga would be perceived as a tsundere by mistake due to that voice actor being usually associated with that at that time. But after listening to her audition, he changed his mind due to the voice acting being particularly good. Could go on and on, but as a general rules, characters who quickly confesses aren't tsundere, and characters who are violent for either good reasons or violent because they are violent with everyone aren't "acting like tsundere" just because they hit the MC. If a woman slaps the man she loves because he did something that deserved the slap (recent example : the slap at the end of sukasuka episode 4), that's not being a tsundere, either. Point taken. Taiga is not a tsundere. I stand corrected. I do think she's a horrible character. She's an abusive person who treats everyone like crap, yet her actions are often framed as cute and funny. Her actions and personality are dark, she makes everyone's reality more horrible. Framing it as funny is just lacking taste. |
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