| To make sure you understand like Cowboy Bebop and Trigun style of animation Yeah I understand today's are so better blah blah but I want your opinion and not some smart ass remark like you guys have fun circlejerking to dumbass question like this. |
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| too much cost and effort... i doubt it will happened comercially, but experimentally, probably... |
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| Yh hand drawn style has this charm that new shows don't have nowadays. But such practices won't fly around this time. Although it would be cool if some anime can replicate it with modern techniques. |
| I'd be all for it. I've always loved the intricacy of hand drawn animation. |
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| I do miss a lot of the older artstyles... But what can you do, eh? |
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| A 1000x no. Cheap ass animation < top notch animation. |
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| Hell yes. It had a beauty that you can't replicate with CG. The new stuff looks so cheap and sterile, especially the backgrounds. |
| Quantity is better than quality. Too costly stuff gets too mainstream, and perverted unique people like me don't get sufficiently perverted unique anime. |
| I need my retro cyberpunk back got Damn it Look Battle Angel Alita OVA look freaking good |
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| Computer animated series can look as good as hand-drawn series, look at Trigun the series vs Trigun the movie for example, it's not the fault of technology that anime nowadays don't look that great. Hand-drawing simply takes too much time and effort, as much as I'd like it. God bless studio Ghibli |
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| Nah, Redline is the reason why Madhouse crashed. |
| I don't understand the question, did you know anime is sitll hand-drawn? Or are you refering to celluloids specifically? Not sure cels would count as an animation "style" though, it's more an animation technique. |
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| Yes, we definitely should. Most modern Anime looks awful, and could never compare to the old hand drawn masterpieces. |
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| Not all anime, but maybe some as its a different way of expressing it. |
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| no. people already understand the Bebop animation style. no need to ban modern animation |
| Depends, if it looks like shit, I don't need it. If it looks like Redline, I'd say yes 100%. |
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| Incoming Kamisama751 to glorify cel animation XD |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| You have absolutely no idea how much I wish for that old hand drawn style to return. |
ToG25thBaam said: You're comparing a movie to a TV show after talking about old and new series. A movie can have a bigger budget per scene. Computer animated series can look as good as hand-drawn series, look at Trigun the series vs Trigun the movie for example, it's not the fault of technology that anime nowadays don't look that great. Hand-drawing simply takes too much time and effort, as much as I'd like it. God bless studio Ghibli I don't care how much effort it takes. I'm much less likely to watch your anime if you choose to go the cheap route. |
EzekielNov 8, 2016 6:50 AM
Ezekiel said: It's not cheap, it's evolution. Computer graphic can look the same as hand drawn animation if you do it right, but with a lot less work and higher consistency if studio wished so. The art evolution from 80's to 90's to 2000's to 2010's is a stylistic choice, not technology.ToG25thBaam said: You're comparing a movie to a TV show after talking about old and new series. Computer animated series can look as good as hand-drawn series, look at Trigun the series vs Trigun the movie for example, it's not the fault of technology that anime nowadays don't look that great. Hand-drawing simply takes too much time and effort, as much as I'd like it. God bless studio Ghibli I don't care how much effort it takes. I'm much less likely to watch your anime if you choose to go the cheap route. I just remembered one of Miyazaki's quote about how the industry is filled with a lot of otaku who rarely spend time with another real human being and they don't observe the features of real human being, that's why their art is so lacking in details, movement is clunky, etc. Take a look at Madhouse's Hunter x Hunter 2011, the art and all remains the same, but it got 'moefied/beautified' because that's what this generation is all about. Same can be said about Parasyte. It's not hand-drawn vs CG, it's tranditional style vs modern style. Take a look at MAPPA's Ushio to Tora, the artstyle reminds a lot of us of the old school shounen, and even though the art still has a little CG feel to it, it looks almost as good as hand drawn. (could have looked identical imo with enough talent on the team) |
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Ezekiel said: I don't care how much effort it takes. I'm much less likely to watch your anime if you choose to go the cheap route. I don't care much for the animation quality, and art quality isn't that important too, as long as anime is interesting and fun. Even the worst proper anime is still better than horrors like Ren and Stumpy. |
| Not en-mass. But for a few movies or short OVA's, yeah, I could get behind it. |
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ToG25thBaam said: I know it's technique, but I don't believe you when you say CG animation can look as good as (the best) cell animation. Unless they spent a ridiculous sum of work hours on the backgrounds and textures. Each scene could look like those impressive DeviantArt computer paintings, but no studio is gonna do that. What's the point of switching to the simpler technique if you have to spend so many man hours to have it look as good as the old stuff? Ezekiel said: It's not cheap, it's evolution. Computer graphic can look the same as hand drawn animation if you do it right, but with a lot less work and higher consistency if studio wished so. The art evolution from 80's to 90's to 2000's to 2010's is a stylistic choice, not technology.You're comparing a movie to a TV show after talking about old and new series. I don't care how much effort it takes. I'm much less likely to watch your anime if you choose to go the cheap route. I just remembered one of Miyazaki's quote about how the industry is filled with a lot of otaku who rarely spend time with another real human being and they don't observe the features of real human being, that's why their art is so lacking in details, movement is clunky, etc. Take a look at Madhouse's Hunter x Hunter 2011, the art and all remains the same, but it got 'moefied/beautified' because that's what this generation is all about. Same can be said about Parasyte. It's not hand-drawn vs CG, it's tranditional style vs modern style. Take a look at MAPPA's Ushio to Tora, the artstyle reminds a lot of us of the old school shounen, and even though the art still has a little CG feel to it, it looks almost as good as hand drawn. (could have looked identical imo with enough talent on the team) Edit: My mistake. The scene from Porco Rosso is different in the movie. But the movie is one of the best examples of traditional Japanese animation. |
EzekielNov 8, 2016 8:19 AM
| For a few shows sure but more then that I have to say no. It would be way to costly. |
| Well if you want to only have a few anime each year, due to budget/technical restraints, then sure. Might as well make it so that you can only watch anime by praying that it's on tv at a specific time, or buying random vhs' at blockbusters hoping that there is a least one random vhs you bought that isn't complete shit again as well. Not even to account for the fact that there are probably very few animators left in the industry who know how to utilise the strengths of cel animation. |
| No. Oppai needs CG to be alive. Plus the labour cost will be too high and takes more time aaaand this is a modern time. If we don't embrace the technology, it will never be better. Sure, the first time it's put in use might not be comparable to hand drawn version and scary but soon enough it will be the one who looks down upon humans. |
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| While it might be a cool idea to think about, I don't see it happening. Doing everything by hand just takes too much time and effort. Not saying quantity > quality but I like the variety we have now as opposed to the 10 shows like in the past. Redline was I believe by hand and that took 7 years to make. |
| Mhhh... If you want more animators to suffer, why not? |
| I don't feel any difference between the styles. I watched Cowboy Bebop and I loved the art, but new anime doesn't feel particularly different to me. If someone can show how this technique opens up new options, I'd love to read. If not, then I don't care so long as it looks good. |
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| Stupid question, but does drawing the scenes digitally count as a "Traditional Hand Drawn Anime"? |
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| NOPE. Actually the inconsistency used to drive me NUTS. It's so jarring in 90s shows. Flame of Recca was so awful with it that the characters looked like different people from one episode to the next and it bothered me so much, I dropped the anime and grabbed the manga instead. I want the USA to go back to traditional hand-drawn animation more than anything. |
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| I want anime producers to go back to drawing stick figures with charcoal on walls of caves. Digital art will never feel as fluid and warm as those. It's just a beauty computers can't replicate. |
kamisama751 said: demonskul777 said: I want anime producers to go back to drawing stick figures with charcoal on walls of caves. Digital art will never feel as fluid and warm as those. It's just a beauty computers can't replicate. Good old times where art is still not sh*t. F*ck revolution, back to be apes. Only 10 000 B.C. kids will remember this. Back then stories were still original; every single story these-a-days is just a rip-off from the stories back then, or a rip-off of a rip-off and so on. |
Chiibi said: NOPE. Actually the inconsistency used to drive me NUTS. It's so jarring in 90s shows. Flame of Recca was so awful with it that the characters looked like different people from one episode to the next and it bothered me so much, I dropped the anime and grabbed the manga instead. Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! What has happened to you? You used to be cool! Are you saying that you think newer art styles are better than older ones? |
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| Sure, but it'll take more time to get more anime, and it'll probably be inconsistent . Costs to create the anime will be higher, which probably means less shows to watch per season. Does the art style even matter? I ignore it most of the time. |
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Seiya said: Chiibi said: NOPE. Actually the inconsistency used to drive me NUTS. It's so jarring in 90s shows. Flame of Recca was so awful with it that the characters looked like different people from one episode to the next and it bothered me so much, I dropped the anime and grabbed the manga instead. Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! What has happened to you? You used to be cool! BRO, I AM ALWAYS COOL. XD Are you saying that you think newer art styles are better than older ones? Hmm..... No, I guess I'm not really saying that. Both have their charm. Inconsistency in art because of different artists per episode DOES get to me though....simply because it is distracting. It's not like I love 90s shows any less though. I'm happy cause last night I just discovered how I can watch the entire Ririka series without streaming it horray |
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Chiibi said: BRO, I AM ALWAYS COOL. XD Are you saying that you think newer art styles are better than older ones? Hmm..... No, I guess I'm not really saying that. Both have their charm. Inconsistency in art because of different artists per episode DOES get to me though....simply because it is distracting. It's not like I love 90s shows any less though. I'm happy cause last night I just discovered how I can watch the entire Ririka series without streaming it horray *Wipes sweat off forehead* Whew, I was worried there for a minute. Yeah, you need to finish Nurse Angel Ririka SOS soon. I won't spoil anything, but there's something about it that's a bit different than most other kids Magical Girl Anime. You'll see when you finish it. |
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| No way, modern anime looks way better to me in terms of aesthetics, (though I have nothing against hand drawn stuff either) and moving back instead of forward in technology would be absurd. This would have a number of negative effects on the industry too for instance: -A bigger workload for animators -The amount of anime per season would drop drastically because it would take too long to make a show -There would be less shows to watch and less of a variety to keep people interested in the medium -Many smaller companies with smaller staff would go backrupt and their staff would be out of work |
KruszerNov 8, 2016 1:21 PM
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| I liked the hand drawn anime too, but we are living in the digital age so the hand drawn animations are obsolete. Modern anime tends to be clearer and more colorful anyway, it looks good. |
kamisama751 said: demonskul777 said: I want anime producers to go back to drawing stick figures with charcoal on walls of caves. Digital art will never feel as fluid and warm as those. It's just a beauty computers can't replicate. Good old times where art is still not sh*t. F*ck revolution, back to be apes. Yh this Revolution was suposed to make it better. Instead it went against the design and just copied genericy even though Modern techniques can make allot of different styles that were hard to do with traditional cells. oh yh they rip each other off nowadays..... |
| This is absurd because it's not a matter of technology and methods, it's a matter of direction if anything, if the trends of the industry don't shift back to old school themes and aesthetics you are not going to see old school themes and aesthetics, plain and simple. The potential is still there and digital techniques make it easier so... what is exactly the loss? And gotta love those cherrypicks. Also, I'm amazed that you mention Porco Rosso, @Ezekiel. It looks great and fluid like any other Miyazaki (cherrypick and all), but visually it is probably his least impressive, kind of irregular with its shading and the designs of background characters. The animation is top-notch as always but the actual art... eh, I've seen better Miyazakis. Heck, Princess Mononoke and Spirited away for instance, both of which include some CGI. |
jal90Nov 8, 2016 3:46 PM
| No because it's arguably more time consuming, inefficient, costly, would kill a lot of potential variety, potentially harm the industry as a whole. Not to mention reinforcing the idea that shows have to look a certain way to be considered decent encouraging them to cut more corners to save on the increased hassles. Basically the only defense to do so on a large scale would be "but muh old animu styles." But that being said nothing against it being used on a smaller scale if that's what some studios start to push for, variety doesn't mean getting rid of the old. |
| Wait was Yu Yu Hakusho hand drawn? If so then yes |
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| I surely don't mind. As long as it's not in shin-chan's style. In fact, when I see old animation, it's too weird for me to move to new one (examples for times when it happened: Ranma's last ova, Sailor moon crystal). |
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