| People write walls of text talking about all the light novel adaptations that they hate. I'm pretty sure half these people have written more words than entire light novel series. Why don't they commit their intellect to something that's worth everyone's time? Maybe they'll actually make money and get sick rich off of selling out to the masses. Or do they just complain because they secretly know that if they ever tried to write a light novel of their own, it would basically look the same as the trashy shit that we have out right now? |
| tbh fam worst thing about light novel adaptations is that they are almost always incomplete adaptations, and the source material is almost always untranslated |
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romagia said: tbh fam worst thing about light novel adaptations is that they are almost always incomplete adaptations, and the source material is almost always untranslated THIS. But also, in general, light novels are just pretty bad unless they're written by Watari or Nisio. It's natural to sigh when you see more and more light novels being adapted simply because there's a higher success rate with adaptations of other mediums. I'm not the general public though so don't mind me - I don't like sao, re: zero, log horizon, mahouka koukou no rettousei etc. |
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romagia said: tbh fam worst thing about light novel adaptations is that they are almost always incomplete adaptations, and the source material is almost always untranslated 1. Light novel adaptations are just advertising the source material. Incomplete endings are tough to take some times but then again I would never have read Rokka no Yuusha in the first place, as it was entertaining for the most part. 2. It doesn't matter if its untranslated, go learn Japanese considering its a product designed for them. |
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| Why didn't you write a light novel instead of writing this shit, bitch? |
| Writing a novel isn't as simple as you make it sound, at least not a good novel. And people who complain about bad stories, certainly know how to seperate the good from the bad. People who are critical and good at formulating their opinions don't always have the creativity for a masterpiece, and won't settle with writing less, so they don't. There is nothing secret about it, creativity is not a gift that everyone has and even the creative very often lack the skill to create something that truly stands out. Light novels most of the time simply pander to otaku and have copy-paste story lines, because the otaku do not care. They want waifu fantasies and lighthearted adventure for the sake of escapism - they decide to write their own book and create this virtuous cirlce of novels written by otaku for otaku. People who do not share opinions with this cult, do not like 75% of the light novels. Because they are bad in their opinion, they are looking for something that will stay with them, speak to them. Characters they will remember and love, a story that stands out. The majority of light novels does not do that for them. I'm also one to easily suggest "write it yourself" if I see someone complaining, but that's just an utterly cynical remark implying that writing isn't easy. However I agree that a lot of light novels just aren't good enough, and the adaptations of them equally so. They are very often incomplete on top of that, because the creators of the anime don't bother rewriting it in such a way that there is an ending and if they do follow the story mostly, the stories are just usually too long to fully adapt, making the anime nothing more than a commercial for the books. |
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Ingr1d said: i was going to say "no they're not", but i went back to my excel sheet with Someanithing sales data, and sure enough, novel adaptations were highest selling on average @_@ of course this doesn't take many factors in account, but still interesting to seeromagia said: tbh fam worst thing about light novel adaptations is that they are almost always incomplete adaptations, and the source material is almost always untranslated THIS. But also, in general, light novels are just pretty bad unless they're written by Watari or Nisio. It's natural to sigh when you see more and more light novels being adapted simply because there's a higher success rate with adaptations of other mediums. I'm not the general public though so don't mind me - I don't like sao, re: zero, log horizon, mahouka koukou no rettousei etc. TYPE_______SALESAVG____COUNT manga_____4271.896774___657 novel______6059.757062___262 visualnovel_5422.619048___122 original____5997.712963___315 i blame outliers like all the -monogatari seasons, and the huge graveyard of 0 sales manga adaptations (i guess shows who don't aim for the dvd buying audience are more often than not manga? like kaiji) FireEmblemIke24 said: yeah if its designed for them more reason for me to avoid themromagia said: tbh fam worst thing about light novel adaptations is that they are almost always incomplete adaptations, and the source material is almost always untranslated 1. Light novel adaptations are just advertising the source material. Incomplete endings are tough to take some times but then again I would never have read Rokka no Yuusha in the first place, as it was entertaining for the most part. 2. It doesn't matter if its untranslated, go learn Japanese considering its a product designed for them. |
romagiaOct 30, 2016 7:19 AM
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| So you're complaining about people complaining? This is top tier hypocrisy. |
| Sigh. I thought the internet already passed through their "If you think is bad, try to do better" period, like, ages ago. Are you sure do you want to revive such dumb argument? |
HyperLOct 30, 2016 7:26 AM
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| If I was the productive type of guy I wouldn't watch anime in the first place. Also complaining about light novel adaptation is not the same as complaining about the light novel itself so your example doesn't even fit very well. |
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Yudina said: People write walls of text talking about all the light novel adaptations that they hate. I'm pretty sure half these people have written more words than entire light novel series. Why don't they commit their intellect to something that's worth everyone's time? Maybe they'll actually make money and get sick rich off of selling out to the masses. Or do they just complain because they secretly know that if they ever tried to write a light novel of their own, it would basically look the same as the trashy shit that we have out right now? I'm not the one pushing out systemized garbage to be read because it had nice character designs. I do not proclaim myself as a LN writer. Thus I have no obligation to try to do better. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
| Just because I know the food is not tasty doesn't mean I can cook one. |
LoNNoLOct 30, 2016 7:34 AM
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| "If you don't like it come up with your own" has got to be one of the dumbest arguments. That is not my job. We have people who are, or at least, are supposed to be far more capable at producing those products than me and do it for a living. So there's nothing wrong with expecting some quality and standards from them. |
zal said: Even if he complained about the LN itself, this logic doesn't work.If I was the productive type of guy I wouldn't watch anime in the first place. Also complaining about light novel adaptation is not the same as complaining about the light novel itself so your example doesn't even fit very well. |
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| Just do it yourself is the worst argument one can make in defence of something. And just for the record - there are good light novels. It's just that the market is overcrowded with bad ones. It's pretty much the same thing as was in Hollywood - after the success of Twilight there was a plenty of Twilight clones, after the success of Hunger Games we had sh*t like Divergent thrown on our head, etc. If something is successful (even if it's not good), than clones will follow, trying to cash on popularity, while keeping effort to the minimum. |
| Ohhh... This could be fun... A good cycle of of seeing a user, instead of complaining about shitty LN's. He/she complains about the users who complains about it... Wow... Well no matter how you rant about it too, nothing will change... /GG thread |
Yudina said: People write walls of text talking about all the light novel adaptations that they hate. I'm pretty sure half these people have written more words than entire light novel series. Why don't they commit their intellect to something that's worth everyone's time? Maybe they'll actually make money and get sick rich off of selling out to the masses. Or do they just complain because they secretly know that if they ever tried to write a light novel of their own, it would basically look the same as the trashy shit that we have out right now? #1 Writing any significant story is not something just anyone can do. Also, good luck getting a non-Japanese authored story adapted. It happens, but is still rare. #2 "the trashy shit that we have out right now" is too generalized. That description leads one to believe you're just another person using the anonymity of the internet to whine about something. Just because the adaptation wasn't a masterpiece in your/their eyes doesn't automatically mean the source was bad. #3 Your statement implies that people use "intellect" to complain. This is not always the case. Many times it is the use of ignorance to generate a complaint or rant. #4 Using your statement/logic.. instead of starting this thread, you should have already completed the first chapter of your own LN. Be sure not to add to the "trashy shit that we have out right now". |
 You're never too old to watch anime. If I ever stop watching anime, check my pulse I'm likely dead. I wake up with coffee & anime, I go to sleep with coffee & anime. Sorry if my sarcasm is bad, it's not my first language. |
| i don't said that the OP was correct, but i does hope people will put more sanse in the way they critics and maker condition and context to consider so they don't look like an genuine asshole instead... (doesn't said no LN is bad or anythings) |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Adaptations don't always follow the source material. And perhaps they're butthurt that the adaptation strayed too far? |
| Thankes ferr kileeing muh brane sells OhPee! |
| I'm never wrong. I once thought I was wrong, turns out, I was mistaken. |
| Cant tell if bait or brain damaged… |
 Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Dishonest said: Cant tell if bait or brain damaged… I believe its the mix of both dude... |
| This is bait? if not, then.. get a brain dude, that's not an argument. |
| The overall idea that a light novel is *insert negative generalization* by people who can't write stories is just something to sweep under the rug and ignore or possibly laugh at. They're just entitled little nobodies that lacks self awareness. And oh boy, I see a lot of them here. |
| Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh good laugh. Seriously, they made a complaint thread about complainers! hehehehe |
| I find this "Make one if you didn't like it" argument to been a terrible argument when justify or arguing about someone's opinion, because not everyone has the skill to make a better novel/anime/movie, etc. By your argument, if I can't make a better Transformers movie than Michael Bay's version, then I can't dislikes or criticize his Transformers movie. |
romagia said: tbh fam worst thing about light novel adaptations is that they are almost always incomplete adaptations Pretty much strictly this. I don't think people who dislike adaptions dislike the source material. The media just doesn't translate over well when most of the time it isn't even complete. I love visual novels but think by nature of the medium I'm doomed to dislike 90% of all visual novel to anime adaptations. If you thought the Dragonball Z live action movie was bad or a bad idea then why don't you go out with your camera and do better is about the logic here. It really shouldn't have happened in the first place due to the source. |
| while we're at it. "If you don't like light novel adaptations, than don't watch them". |
| N.etorare T.echnical R.esearcher |
| "Hm yeah you say that ______ singer can't sing live but can you? Eh?" No criticism allowed even when it's their job? lmao |
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| You shouldn't have the right to criticize [insert totalitarian genocide fetishist dictator here] because you've never been a dictator yourself ETC |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
RainyRai said: ^I don't get the people who call out those who complain or criticize telling them to do better, you don't need to write a masterpiece to have an opinion on something.Yudina said: People write walls of text talking about all the light novel adaptations that they hate. I'm pretty sure half these people have written more words than entire light novel series. Why don't they commit their intellect to something that's worth everyone's time? Maybe they'll actually make money and get sick rich off of selling out to the masses. Or do they just complain because they secretly know that if they ever tried to write a light novel of their own, it would basically look the same as the trashy shit that we have out right now? I'm not the one pushing out systemized garbage to be read because it had nice character designs. I do not proclaim myself as a LN writer. Thus I have no obligation to try to do better. |
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merryfistmas said: RainyRai said: ^I don't get the people who call out those who complain or criticize telling them to do better, you don't need to write a masterpiece to have an opinion on something.I'm not the one pushing out systemized garbage to be read because it had nice character designs. I do not proclaim myself as a LN writer. Thus I have no obligation to try to do better. Wait, are you seriously saying that? It's called having an opinion on your opinion. If you don't get it, I suggest being self aware this time around. |
CapitalistGod said: Yeah, and your opinion on my opinion is shit this time around. Is there an anime you dislike? Well, you don't get to dislike it if you didn't direct NGE.merryfistmas said: ^I don't get the people who call out those who complain or criticize telling them to do better, you don't need to write a masterpiece to have an opinion on something. Wait, are you seriously saying that? It's called having an opinion on your opinion. If you don't get it, I suggest being self aware this time around. |
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| Why should I? I am not a novel writer in the first place. . . XD |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
| I've actually written a book, but I hate it now. But you can be a critic without producing the material, or admitting you're not the best writer/director or whatever. Roger Ebert wrote Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens and people still took him seriously as a film critic. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| LN adaptations are trash because the source material is almost always better. Read the source material, don't be a filthy secondary. |
| If you don't like the food, why don't you cook something yourself? If you don't like the movie, why don't you produce one yourself? |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
merryfistmas said: CapitalistGod said: Yeah, and your opinion on my opinion is shit this time around. Is there an anime you dislike? Well, you don't get to dislike it if you didn't direct NGE.Wait, are you seriously saying that? It's called having an opinion on your opinion. If you don't get it, I suggest being self aware this time around. There's a difference between saying "I dislike this show or LN" and in saying that LNs are "systemized garbage" as the one you quoted puts it. It's a generalization aimed at the career and industry of LN production. It's just conceit to think you can say things like that if you can't write your own stories. |
CapitalistGod said: There's a difference between saying "I dislike this show or LN" and in saying that LNs are "systemized garbage" as the one you quoted puts it. It's a generalization aimed at the career and industry of LN production. It's just conceit to think you can say things like that if you can't write your own stories. So you can't criticize Hollywood for repeating the same general formula if you haven't made a movie yourself? |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
poppyface said: CapitalistGod said: There's a difference between saying "I dislike this show or LN" and in saying that LNs are "systemized garbage" as the one you quoted puts it. It's a generalization aimed at the career and industry of LN production. It's just conceit to think you can say things like that if you can't write your own stories. So you can't criticize Hollywood for repeating the same general formula if you haven't made a movie yourself? You can but it's still conceited. In fact I myself practice that same conceit towards Hollywood. The difference is I'm aware about it. |
CapitalistGod said: poppyface said: So you can't criticize Hollywood for repeating the same general formula if you haven't made a movie yourself? You can but it's still conceited. In fact I myself practice that same conceit towards Hollywood. The difference is I'm aware about it. Well admitting or being aware that you're a hypocrite doesn't necessarily make you better But I guess that makes two of us huh |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| The only thing I don't like about light novels is that usually the anime and/or manga is never a full adaptation of the LN. I guess that's more of the anime/manga's problem, but still. |
Yudina said: People write walls of text talking about all the light novel adaptations that they hate. I'm pretty sure half these people have written more words than entire light novel series. Why don't they commit their intellect to something that's worth everyone's time? Maybe they'll actually make money and get sick rich off of selling out to the masses. Or do they just complain because they secretly know that if they ever tried to write a light novel of their own, it would basically look the same as the trashy shit that we have out right now? you don't have to write light novels to criticize them like you don't have to be a chef to know a meal tastes like shit |
Mayuka said: did you call holier than thou bitch right here last.fm |
| If emotions aren't allowed on a work of fiction without first writing a work of fiction yourself, then you need to be consistent. If you can't dislike something because you didn't write anything yourself, you also can't like anything. You can't say negative judgments aren't allowed but positive judgments are ok. |
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CapitalistGod said: Now it's my turn to ask if you're serious. Being aware that you're a hypocrite makes you worse since you know what you're doing is wrong by your own standards yet you refuse to change.poppyface said: So you can't criticize Hollywood for repeating the same general formula if you haven't made a movie yourself? You can but it's still conceited. In fact I myself practice that same conceit towards Hollywood. The difference is I'm aware about it. |
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merryfistmas said: CapitalistGod said: Now it's my turn to ask if you're serious. Being aware that you're a hypocrite makes you worse since you know what you're doing is wrong by your own standards yet you refuse to change.You can but it's still conceited. In fact I myself practice that same conceit towards Hollywood. The difference is I'm aware about it. Well, I like the light novel medium. Isn't that a good reason enough. |
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