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Oct 23, 2016 2:39 PM

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Beautiful music and very good story.
9/10
Oct 23, 2016 3:05 PM

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Frostbyte98 said:


Well if you really want to see how just a 3 min video can convey a beautiful message across, watch furiko.



Man thanks a lot for recommending furiko. I can't believe I missed such an amazing piece of art. That was awesome.

About Shelter, I appreciate it for its importance to the industry and the ambition of its creators. Visuals, colors, animation are great; direction is fine. Story, however, is its weakest point. To rate it as an anime, I'd give it 6/10. But for a short music video, face value is good enough, so 8/10.
KaminoHakaOct 23, 2016 3:13 PM
"I searched for an answer. A simple solution.
Blessings. The blessings of being alive.
The joy of being human, whose colors never fade.
But the unstable wingbeats of a butterfly give rise to an infinity of realities.
The truth of a thousand years laughs at human wisdom, distancing itself as it nestles close.
Cries of all kinds averted, yet poverty remains.
Humans devour each other, succumb to disease, and cry out in agony as they walk down the path of destruction."
- Lyber de Nymphis, Dantalian no Shoka -
Oct 23, 2016 3:13 PM

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Beautiful music short. Probably one of the best animation A-1 has done in awhile. I'm not a huge fan of EDM, I did think it was good mix with the short story and a hint of feels.

It was an enjoyable watch. 9/10.





Oct 23, 2016 5:47 PM
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This might be one of the worst things I have ever watched.

Despite my conflicted persona, I think I normally enjoy saying stuff that's this outlandish, but with Shelter, I feel like something even more crucial needs to be said about why it's not acceptable to review this kind of content with the same standards as other fully-developed anime series aired throughout an entire season, so here's a 1000 word review about a 6 minute MV.

Let's get two things out of the way. Undeniably, this video looks good. It's well drawn, well animated, and is certainly eye catching with its colorful visuals and impressively imaginative landscapes, but I'm still going to rate it a 1 because the story counts as negative. As music, this is not something that's suited to me, but I can at least understand people who think that Porter's music is palatable to them. Actually, I can't. This music sucks dick and you should all be ashamed for liking the electronic kawaii sludge that Porter Robinson manages to excrete out of his creative orifices on a daily basis.

My problem with this piece is not related to the audiovisuals but rather with the idea that this should be taken as a story or a music video that is trying to be something more than just Porter's music meshed with beautifully animated sequences, because the kind of music videos I tend to watch are lyric videos that I can sing along to and fulfill my karaoke dreams. I mean, shit, it's 2016, and who would rather watch a story unfold when a man simply wants to listen to some music while staring at a strobe light am I right. I understand that these criticisms are often held back by the difficulties of critiquing something that isn't overtly concerned with story, but in a piece so unabashedly attempting to draw sympathy, there's fair ground here to levy some serious concerns. In case you grammar plebs couldn't quite follow the sentence structure just now, what I meant to say was that it's hard to review a music video, but since it uses sad tropes and I can't control my own emotions, this is a real concern here. I also might have forgotten that anime isn't the only medium for storytelling, and that music—and by extension music videos which attempt to physically manifest the sometimes abstract meaning of lyrics for the sake of easier interpretation—can also be used to tell a story, oftentimes an artist's personal expressions.

Shelter exemplifies everything that is wrong with storytelling in anime, namely that rather than attempting to tell a real story developed with content and meaningful emotion in a limited 6 minute window, it takes the most abusive shortcut, although now that I think about it is somewhat necessary given the run-time, by designing a cute character, throwing her into a position of bittersweet melancholy (I mean they literally forced a melancholic theme for the story! It wasn't originally a part of the song from which this animation was adapted on, of course, no that would be silly), and using that as a means of manipulating our basest emotions into believing there is something meaningful and tragic to be said. Which to be fair, there is, and I would have known about it if I bothered to read the short synopsis in the YouTube description.

People are praising the emotional resonance in the story and its ability to bring out the loneliness lost in the profundity of memory. Yet, consider a world where the main character is not a beautiful teenage girl, lost and confused in a world completely foreign to her. When you remove that physical appearance that makes us so inexplicably attracted to her stake in the story, there is ultimately no reason for us to feel sympathy. It is completely superficial. I say this with confidence, and in no way am I showing my own internal biases for being interested in characters only for their physical attractiveness. So for example, and being attracted only to 2D waifus for laifu, if Porter instead replaced Rin with a washed-up, scruffy-looking boy, I would feel no sympathy towards a teenage boy who has lost both his parents, his entire homeworld, and is hooked up to wires and living in a simulation contained inside a cold metal pod, drifting on endlessly across the vast unknown cosmos until god knows when.

One might say that it's only a six minute short, but the fact that Shelter goes out of its way to show for a split second the main character's letter from her father, to invoke the community to spend time and read it on a second watch, despite there being a fully-functional pause button and scrubber bar on YouTube, tells me that there is a serious intent to manifest some semblance of a meaningful story. However, that is undermined precisely by the video's own neglect of that story, or rather, my own neglect in giving a single shit about the story because my ears have been bleeding from this androidified lolli voice orgasming ey's and ah's for the past 5 minutes, and yet I continue to watch cos Rin might flash her panties soon. Much like many other anime designed purely for cheap tears and easy pity, we are given not substance (like pantsu), but rather a montage of a young innocent girl cherishing sweet memories with someone we barely meet, though mostly because he's already dead I guess.

Sure it can be cute, but that does not preclude it from being utterly trite. Shelter offends its audience (I'm totally the target demographic btw so I can write this review in all objective fairness, as reviews are intended to be according to the MAL Review Guidelines) by presenting us with its fascinating visuals, the ostensible undertones of a post-apocalyptic world, the perceived loneliness of being potentially the last human in the universe, but gives us nothing more than the lowest common denominator of a story (which if I wasn't accustomed to being spoon-fed story plots all the time, I would appreciate the opportunity to exercise my brain cells once in a while and fill in between the lines), one that galvanizes its sympathies out of the most mundane and pathetic tricks in the book (jesus christ, not another girl-living-in-a-simulation-visiting-the-memories-of-her-past cliche), and half-expects us to take it seriously. I cannot in good conscience, recommend this music video to anyone. Well, it's mostly the electronic kawaii sludge and I dislike my feelings being taken advantage of in storytelling.

Overall Rating: 【=◈︿◈=】
JayowendOct 23, 2016 6:01 PM
Oct 23, 2016 7:08 PM
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Amazing. In just six minutes they painted a beautiful little story that brought myself (and several friends I then forwarded the video to) to tears. I've rewatched this 4 times now and it's enjoyable every single time. Is it a full blown story? Of course not, it's just a six minute music video. But there are plenty of great music videos out there that tell a simple story that sticks with you and comes to mind everytime you hear the song. This just happens to be an anime one. It's a really simple story that's been done better in SF novels and full blown anime of course, but I wasn't expecting a totally new and mindblowing story from a music video. I found it fun to watch and the "fatherly love" shown in the second half makes me want to go give my dad a big hug. Recommending it to all my anime and music loving friends, I think it's an entertaining little video.
LararinOct 23, 2016 7:15 PM
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>Satire borderlining plagiarism

Well you get a thumbs up.
People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol
Oct 23, 2016 8:03 PM
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I'm surprise because i don't know if this video is a MV (Music Video)

One of the best MV for me, they make a complete story with beautiful animation in 6 minutes. For the music, it's good but not great. It is first time I enjoyed video more than song in Music Video.
Oct 23, 2016 10:11 PM

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Sapewloth said:
roppuri said:


Err is there something wrong with what im saying?
yes, absolutely. The classic "oh you think it's bad? i'd like to see you do better!" argument is old as dirt... but it's as lazy and devoid of sense now as it was the first time someone used it. Everyone who consumes entertainment and is over 10 years old is aware that it takes varying amounts of time, dedication and skill they themselves don't necessarily have to produce original content. That alone doesn't and shouldn't in any way represent a valid line of defense against criticism of said content.


It's not classic, i think it's important to think like that before you commenting...if you're an educated person you should watch your language before speaking your opinion. Idk why you call it lazy.
roppuriOct 23, 2016 10:24 PM

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Oct 23, 2016 11:29 PM

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Gnk said:
TripleSRank said:
Also, the story wasn't coherent, but addressing the criticisms properly obviously wasn't your intention with this post.


It was coherent enough for a music video. They should hold up as an audiovisual experience more than anything after all.

Then your post should have been a defense of the music video rather than petty personal attacks.


Gnk said:
TripleSRank said:


Uh, no. Virtually nobody does that on MAL.


Maybe you haven’t been on MAL enough, then.

This isn't a rebuttal. I've been an active member of MAL's community for a long time now, and this does include the review section.

The issue is not my lack of experience, but your false stereotyping of those who did not feel emotional when watching and critical of it in light of that as elitists. Regardless of your ability to accept criticism you agree with, can relate to, or can understand (as mentioned below), this does not change that in this case you are responding to legitimate criticism in an immature and non-legitimate manner.

This is why I pointed out the irony that your actions and attitude are just as bad as that of actual elitists.


Gnk said:
TripleSRank said:
Criticism just isn't something MAL is mature enough to handle.


Disagree, there have been pretty mature critics and reviewers on here. Tehnominator, Beatnik, Veronin, czxcjx, and even the infamous Polyphemus, to name just a few I used to follow. The critics community on MAL used to be one of the best. Maybe that holds true now, though, I don't know. Not been keeping up with the times.

Mature critics and reviewers =/= mature responses to critics and reviewers

These critics and reviewers are not the issue I'm calling out; it is those who respond to negative reviews immaturely that I am calling out, of which in this case you are one.


Gnk said:
TripleSRank said:
I also agree with everything in Zergneedsfood's review minus it being the worst anime I've ever seen.


The opinion that the anime medium is dying because of cutesy designs and cheap emotional tricks has been going around here since Clannad/K-On! era. Poor anime, having to die so many times, am I right?

Ooh, you really killed that strawman. It was well-constructed too, unlike some of the ones others have built thus far.

Zergneedsfood never said that, but again you show your immaturity by refusing to respond to criticisms by him or others properly.


Gnk said:
TripleSRank said:
Stereotyping people because you don't like what they have to say is just as bad as elitism because it denies the worth of other parties' opinions without any logic to back it up. Based on your later posts I can tell you for a fact that you've made gross false assumptions about Zergneedsfood because you didn't like what he had to say.


Except for the part where I actually exchanged a profile com-to-com with him prior to start arguing here and he responding in nothing but ad hominem further proved all of my points, hehe.

You opened with this:

Gnk said:
"You only liked that video because of the cute character," says the guy with a cute anime girl pfp whom four of her top five characters are attractive anime girls.

Once again, MAL delivers.


Meme responses for meme arguments (in this case, a strawman). There's no reason for anyone to take your argument seriously if it's a logical fallacy. I'm not taking your argument seriously either for the same reason, but I'm not content to simply ignore you after all the bullcrap many have raised in response to criticism of this short. I'd rather expose you for being the fraud you are and hope you'll self-reflect.


Gnk said:
TripleSRank said:
Both are selfish, immature, and should have no place in discussion.


Gnk said:
Yeah, I was! That’s what I get for arguing with a hot head, tee hee.

If you were legitimately accepting what I said and not making light of it, most of your response wouldn't be present and/or worded the way it is.


Gnk said:
TripleSRank said:
The short quite honestly exemplified the biggest thing he hates in the anime medium, and you misinterpreted his criticism at that because you're too caught up on the 1 rating to actually try to read and understand.


Like any good ThatAnimeSnob/roriconfan wannabe: An insubstantial rant about everything that's been wrong with the anime medium for the past years plus an one star rating to get people to pay attention, even when the start of his writeup admits it doesn't even deserve that rating because it at least hold up as an audiovisual experience.

>You never showed why the review was insubstantial.
>You never responded without immature logical fallacies.
>You falsely equivalated what one perceives as the worst quality of the anime medium with the "anime is dying" rants, which is part of your aforementioned logical fallacies.
>You highlighted one perceived unlikable aspect of a review and wrote off everything else, just like ThatAnimeSnob/roriconfan wannabes do with certain anime.

In short, you have shown that you are, indeed, acting like an immature hypocrite.

Grow up.


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TripleSRank said:

For the sort of story this was portraying, I really do think it needed to be fleshed out more to work. It might seem "petty" to you, but it's the whole point to me. The story was too heavily integrated into the music video to simply ignore, and it wasn't developed enough for said integration to pay off.


I disagree. The story was presented with enough information to understand what was happening, while leaving enough ambiguity to also be subject to interpretation (to an extent). This gives allows for a more broad set of ideas to be applied and more details to be uncovered through analysis. Generally, works like this are not designed to front everything it has from the first watch, but instead to reward multiple rewatches, with more details to be picked up through each viewing.

Okay.

I have no issue with your disagreement, but with how you chose to voice it. Wouldn't it have been more productive and substantive to have said this from the start, rather than going for a low blow by characterizing those who are making said criticisms as being petty?

As I said to UselessEgg, I might be responding more to actual counterarguments such as this rather than immaturity had the counterarguments outweighed the immaturity.



drgy55 said:
Man, all these pro writers and anime critics here who are way better at creating a cohesive and understandable 6-min story than the folks that worked on Shelter. You're all so right, this was super bland and terrible. Just awful. Not like the pacing and animation was good, I mean clearly it's feel-bait right? Because you can totally make something that gets you to feel something in 6 min in a million better ways. Wait... I've never really seen something else that does that. But fuck it! I could make something better in my sleep! And my objective opinion that EDM is bland is totally right, because music is not subjective! Only trash enjoys listening to TRASH!

Sorry, just wanted to be cool like everyone else and contribute to the needless negativity on an excellent piece of work ^_^

1. You don't have to be able to cook to say the food tastes like crap.
2. Rhetoric is not a legitimate counterargument in isolation.
3. I have indeed seen anime of comparable length that produced more "feels", and more substantively as well imo. Others may have as well, and even if they haven't, the absence of excellence does not make bad things good.
4. Objectivity has nothing to do with the criticisms against this short, and virtually no one has mentioned it (if anyone has).
5. Virtually no one (if anyone) has said that people who enjoy this are trash. 'Only that the work is some degree of "not good" (of which "trash" is included).
6. Criticizing a work has nothing to do with "coolness", and virtually no one (if anyone) making said criticisms thinks this.
7. The criticism is no more needless than the praise is.

Anything else you would like to add? Maybe a more substantive post?



Jayowend said:
【=◈︿◈=】

I initially thought about leaving this be since near the start there was a legitimate criticism of the review and some decent humor, but as I read further through the satire, there was too much bullcrap to ignore:

1. There's no basis to assume the criticisms in the original review mean one is holding a music video to the same standard as a movie or TV series.
2. The original review never insulted anyone. Any insult derived from it is inferred.
3. The whole point of the review is that the music video takes its story aspect more seriously than is usual, and that said story is integrated enough to review. That is, there is not enough of a story to review most music videos-- this one is an exception.
4. Ad hominem is not a proper criticism. (Referring to "can't control my own emotions" bit.)
5. It wasn't necessary to integrate a story into the music video so heavily, and the story was not made any more meaningful or tragic by the youtube description.
6. There is indeed no inherent reason to feel bad for a character "who has lost both [their] parents, [their] entire homeworld, and is hooked up to wires and living in a simulation contained inside a cold metal pod, drifting on endlessly across the vast unknown cosmos until god knows when". Emotions and perceptions are subjective and ought to be justified in discussions and reviews.
7. One's perception of a work being good, bad, or average is in response to certain factors in the work. Reviews and criticism unearth and explain the nature of these factors. One does not like or dislike things for no reason.
8. Liking or disliking the music is legitimate both as praise and criticism, and has no bearing on other praises or criticisms. (Speaking for myself, I liked the music.)
9. Saying "you shouldn't have watched it if you weren't enjoying it" is not a valid counterargument, nor are any allegations concerning intent for watching.
10. Again, the story didn't need to be as heavily integrated as it was. It didn't need to an include a dead guy, and if it did it should have given us a reason to care about him or his lack of presence.
11. Disliking something does not make one "not" the target demographic. The reviewer in this case happens to like K-On!, for example, which is also cute.
12. The reviewer also happens to enjoy stories that require thinking, and this satire does not expose the greater depth/deeper meaning that the reviewer (or those making similar criticisms) supposedly missed, making the allegation that the reviewer/people making similar criticisms simply "don't understand the story" unjustified.
13. Saying the story is mundane and cheap is not the same as saying the premise is cliche.
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Well the story is kind of messed up and I don't like the music...this leaves me with few nice pictures and this is it.

Fine short but not that impressive.
Oct 24, 2016 1:39 AM

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Ok, let's see then.

Zergneedsfood said:
This might be one of the worst things I have ever watched.


No, it was not. Because:

Zergneedsfood said:
Let's get two things out of the way. Undeniably, this video looks good. It's well drawn, well animated, and is certainly eye catching with its colorful visuals and impressively imaginative landscapes.


Which means, first thing first, that the 1-star rating is absolute nonsense.

Zergneedsfood said:
My problem with this piece is not related to the audiovisuals but rather with the idea that this should be taken as a story or a music video that is trying to be something more than just Porter's music meshed with beautifully animated sequences.


Which I completely agree with, in hindsight.

Zergneedsfood said:
Shelter exemplifies everything that is wrong with storytelling in anime


But of course, they did not say anything akin to the start of an "Anime is dying" rant. Silly me!

Zergneedsfood said:
namely that rather attempting to tell a real story developed with content and meaningful emotion, it takes the most abusive shortcut by designing a cute character, throwing her into a position of bittersweet melancholy, and using that as a means of manipulating our basest emotions into believing there is something meaningful and tragic to be said.


What's the problem with the character being or not being cute? While the argument the video is a cheap tearjerker is true, I don't understand why something has to be said about the character being cute. Was being cute necessary for it to try to cater to our emotions? I doubt so. That line bugged me really bad 'cause it sounded like some smartass elitist's comment on him being able to appreciate things regardless of the design while diminishing the whole fanbase of the video for falling over a "cute" design. This, to me, exposes at least some pretention on their part. It almost crumbles most of their immediate argument.

Zergneedsfood said:
Yet, consider a world where the main character is not a beautiful teenage girl, lost and confused in a world completely foreign to her. When you remove that physical appearance that makes us so inexplicably attracted to her stake in the story, there is ultimately no reason for us to feel sympathy. It is completely superficial.


And they're still talking about the character's physical appearance as if they were above us in that regard. "Oh, look, I watched Texhnolyze! I can feel for designs that do not have an immediate eye-catching appearance! You're all stupid for having fell over this!" That's exactly how this paragraph is sounding to me. Sorry if this still seems like a petty attack, but I swear to you, I don't have anything against anyone. It's the petulant notion that anime fans can't feel over anything else but anatomically correct teenage girls that's bugging me, because said argument is as old as time, and very rusty at that. And I honestly can't see any other thing being said here.
I'd like to see someone who thinks in this light explaining to me why Yuasa Masaaki's works are so popular, for example.

Zergneedsfood said:
One might say that it's only a six minute short, but the fact that Shelter goes out of its way to show for a split second the main character's letter from her father, to invoke the community to spend time and read it on a second watch, tells me that there is a serious intent to manifest some semblance of a meaningful story. However, that is undermined precisely by the video's own neglect of that story. Much like many other anime designed purely for cheap tears and easy pity, we are given not substance, but rather a montage of a young innocent girl cherishing sweet memories with someone we barely meet.


This is a sound paragraph and I, for the most part, agree with it, but they're still evoking the fact that we are watching a teen girl as if that was something relevant to be said. This just further helps the entire writeup feel connected as a "Fuck you anime fanbase, you can't feel unless they throw you cute teen girls in distress," which is not true. The entire western fanbase, to whom this video is catering to because of marketing issues, has been asking for more mature stories concerning male and adult characters for a while now, to the point it is now a majority over people that actually prefer more cute girls doing cute things then being put in distressing situations for the sake of cheap dramatism.

Zergneedsfood said:
Sure it can be cute, but that does not preclude it from being utterly trite. Shelter offends its audience by presenting us with its fascinating visuals, the ostensible undertones of a post-apocalyptic world, the perceived loneliness of being potentially the last human in the universe, but gives us nothing more than the lowest common denominator of a story, one that galvanizes its sympathies out of the most mundane and pathetic tricks in the book, and half-expects us to take it seriously. I cannot in good conscience, recommend this music video to anyone.


I'm sure most people that like it didn't give so much thought about the character being cute than this person did. Of course, a cute design may help you catch your attention at first, but I'm sure people wouldn't have been talking if it wasn't the story, or the attempt at a story, ultimately driving them to it. I talked about Pharrell's "It Girl" earlier, another MV which had cute girls doing cute things in cute scenarios. People didn't gave that so much as a passing thought. The most meaningful comments about it were all jokes about how much of a weeb Pharrell had to be. If people's talking about Shelter, and being so divisive about it, it is obviously because this attempt at a story somehow resonated within them, one way or the other. And, regardless of personal opinions, that is certainly a merit to be hold into account.
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TripleSRank said:
Jayowend said:
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I initially thought about leaving this be since near the start there was a legitimate criticism of the review and some decent humor, but as I read further through the satire, there was too much bullcrap to ignore:

1. There's no basis to assume the criticisms in the original review mean one is holding a music video to the same standard as a movie or TV series.
2. The original review never insulted anyone. Any insult derived from it is inferred.
3. The whole point of the review is that the music video takes its story aspect more seriously than is usual, and that said story is integrated enough to review. That is, there is not enough of a story to review most music videos-- this one is an exception.
4. Ad hominem is not a proper criticism. (Referring to "can't control my own emotions" bit.)
5. It wasn't necessary to integrate a story into the music video so heavily, and the story was not made any more meaningful or tragic by the youtube description.
6. There is indeed no inherent reason to feel bad for a character "who has lost both [their] parents, [their] entire homeworld, and is hooked up to wires and living in a simulation contained inside a cold metal pod, drifting on endlessly across the vast unknown cosmos until god knows when". Emotions and perceptions are subjective and ought to be justified in discussions and reviews.
7. One's perception of a work being good, bad, or average is in response to certain factors in the work. Reviews and criticism unearth and explain the nature of these factors. One does not like or dislike things for no reason.
8. Liking or disliking the music is legitimate both as praise and criticism, and has no bearing on other praises or criticisms. (Speaking for myself, I liked the music.)
9. Saying "you shouldn't have watched it if you weren't enjoying it" is not a valid counterargument, nor are any allegations concerning intent for watching.
10. Again, the story didn't need to be as heavily integrated as it was. It didn't need to an include a dead guy, and if it did it should have given us a reason to care about him or his lack of presence.
11. Disliking something does not make one "not" the target demographic. The reviewer in this case happens to like K-On!, for example, which is also cute.
12. The reviewer also happens to enjoy stories that require thinking, and this satire does not expose the greater depth/deeper meaning that the reviewer (or those making similar criticisms) supposedly missed, making the allegation that the reviewer/people making similar criticisms simply "don't understand the story" unjustified.
13. Saying the story is mundane and cheap is not the same as saying the premise is cliche.


I also initially thought about leaving this be since I thought anyone who would take my post seriously must've taken Zergneedsfood's review just as seriously, which is honestly the furthest thing from being an objective view that others should consider when deciding whether to watch the MV. In fact, someone will spend more time trying to decipher what exactly the guy is so tuned into and hellbent on hating in the animation, rather than taking a mere 6 minutes to watch a simple music video and go on with their lives, even if they end up hating it. But I have some free time now to amuse you :D

1. My friend, are you and I reading the same review?
Shelter exemplifies everything that is wrong with storytelling in anime

Much like many other anime designed purely for cheap tears and easy pity, we are given not substance


And sure, you may say there are other "animes" like this MV, but if the comparison wasn't done to a full series, please enlighten me on what other animation-MV hybrids are done "purely for cheap tears and easy pity".

The opening line of the review even hints at the MV not being "acceptable content".

I also noticed in his anime list he rated the MV from 5cm per second "One More Time, One More Chance" a 5/10, which is the closest thing in his list to another melancholic music-type animation. I wonder if he just didn't mind the fast jump cuts in that one, or the fact that there are a bunch of written letters and text messages that viewers can only see for a few milliseconds at a time, but decided to conveniently bring that up as a weird point of criticism here to support his concerns that the MV is merely using cheap tricks and sympathetic tones to draw viewers in. And lord forbid, if the review is really is using other MVs as a baseline, he must be one hell of a music video connoisseur.

You can consider an MV an animation, but that doesn't mean you have to review it in the same light as other full series. It's not like you would judge a TV series the same way you judge a Hollywood film even though they're both film productions..

2. Yes, it never did. It's actually the other way around.. the reviewer is offended by it for reasons I will never understand. Also I assure you my attempt at humour might seem like I'm insulted, or that I'm trying to insult his entire character. I would've thought you veterans of the MAL have thicker skins.. given some of the things I've read on here :) Besides, I'm sure if he ever read that line he would laugh and agree with my choice of words. (I'm assuming you're referring to the kawaii sludge!)

3. Ok, then review the actual story instead of slandering it with accusations of using cheap tricks and cute girls just because you can't see past through to the story because of your own inclinations. Hell, you can even talk about why you didn't get the story, such as it being too vague or hard to follow, etc.

4. Gotcha ;)

5. It certainly helps piece the picture together, which makes the animation and music more meaningful once you understand the story a bit better.
I won't lie, I had to read the description to understand some of the scenes. But OK, maybe your definition of "meaningful" and "tragic" is WAYY different than mine.
Also his argument doesn't really make sense, or he just doesn't consider tragedy to be meaningful emotion.

6. I think you should send a message his way because I feel like you and I are arguing for the same things in a well-written review! How does he justify why there's no reason to feel sympathy, besides admitting that he sympathizes based on the character's looks alone? Well at least we can both agree on something being superficial!

7. OK, but the reasons used in that review are.. as you say.. "too much bullcrap to ignore" and too influenced by his biases.
I'm down for criticism, but for realistic reasons please..

8. oops maybe I had too much fun imagining what he thinks of the music. But regardless I don't believe for a second he scored the thing without the audiovisuals in mind, and that's rightfully so, like you say, because it's partly a music video! And this is partly why I can't take the review seriously.

9. ? I think you're confusing me with some other person you're arguing with. I'm not sure I wrote this in the parody.

10. I'm confused now. You keep saying the story doesn't need to be heavily integrated into a music video, but idk what you're trying to suggest because the main criticism in the review is with the story. Yeah it didn't need to, but that's not relevant to the quality of the story, that is Porter's creative choices as the director. And at least for me it did give me a reason to care about him.. because he's dead, so the girl's alone. world go boom > father go boom > girl recognizes his sacrifice = driven plotline

11. Yeah but so boldly making blanket-claims that it offends its audience makes people assume you represent the audience.

12. If I pointed out the exact things the reviewer did wrong (like I'm sorta doing now), it wouldn't be satire!
Though I'm sorry my satire isn't good enough yet I guess to expose the irony of his review.. :( I mean structurally and vocabulary-wise, it's pretty well-written, credit to him. Just chose the most absurd reasons to use as criticism. To quote his review against itself, "it half-expects us to take it seriously" with that kind of tone, so I found it funny to satirize.

13. touche. I just really wanted to use that line! :) though some can argue mundane/ordinary/boring is a result of cliche, but ultimately you are right there.

I'm sorry but until you come up with better reasons to convince me, that review is *utterly trite* .__.
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damn, it has generated so much fuss.
From what I can see from my friend list not even one of them has rated it above 5/10 which is somewhat surprising. I mean, as far as music videos with a story go, this was pretty up there for me.

Too bad other people didn't enjoy it as much.
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When is it going to be aired??

Never, apparently.





Its sad tho i need more
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I think this is my first time watching this kind of anime. 16yr old me would have loved that edm/dubstep music and I still do think it's awesome.

lol but why is this all over youtube and reddit hough yeah granted it was good
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Also, this should be Type: Anime.

What. What are you even trying to say by that?
You all need to watch Nami.

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Why did he put her in the ship naked? Isn't it cold in space?
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Love and feels everywhere <3
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damn, it has generated so much fuss.
From what I can see from my friend list not even one of them has rated it above 5/10 which is somewhat surprising. I mean, as far as music videos with a story go, this was pretty up there for me.

Too bad other people didn't enjoy it as much.


I enjoyed it quite a bit. I'm not really sure where the criticism is coming from apart from people not liking the music... which is fine, but then don't review it lol. It's not fair to score something you're predisposed not to enjoy, that's got to be some unspoken rule of reviews.
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Man, all these pro writers and anime critics here who are way better at creating a cohesive and understandable 6-min story than the folks that worked on Shelter. You're all so right, this was super bland and terrible. Just awful. Not like the pacing and animation was good, I mean clearly it's feel-bait right? Because you can totally make something that gets you to feel something in 6 min in a million better ways. Wait... I've never really seen something else that does that. But fuck it! I could make something better in my sleep! And my objective opinion that EDM is bland is totally right, because music is not subjective! Only trash enjoys listening to TRASH!

Sorry, just wanted to be cool like everyone else and contribute to the needless negativity on an excellent piece of work ^_^

1. You don't have to be able to cook to say the food tastes like crap.
2. Rhetoric is not a legitimate counterargument in isolation.
3. I have indeed seen anime of comparable length that produced more "feels", and more substantively as well imo. Others may have as well, and even if they haven't, the absence of excellence does not make bad things good.
4. Objectivity has nothing to do with the criticisms against this short, and virtually no one has mentioned it (if anyone has).
5. Virtually no one (if anyone) has said that people who enjoy this are trash. 'Only that the work is some degree of "not good" (of which "trash" is included).
6. Criticizing a work has nothing to do with "coolness", and virtually no one (if anyone) making said criticisms thinks this.
7. The criticism is no more needless than the praise is.

Anything else you would like to add? Maybe a more substantive post?



Based on what you just replied to, I have no idea why you'd expect anything substantive from me on this topic. It didn't even warrant a substantive reply XD

I am curious about what these other shorts that got you "feeling" are though. This is not me arguing btw, I really could care less, I just need more shorts in my life.
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You can tell Porter Robinson took a lot of inspiration from Anohana for this story. He even went back to the same studio because he wanted the look. The track is by no means his best work yet and it is kinda sad that people call out the music not being fully aligned with the visuals since it isn't an animated film but a music video. As a music video it does pretty well though and of course it looks good. People really need to stop throwing around the word masterpiece though. Feels are not everything.

It was decent and I liked it.
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drgy55 said:

I enjoyed it quite a bit. I'm not really sure where the criticism is coming from apart from people not liking the music... which is fine, but then don't review it lol. It's not fair to score something you're predisposed not to enjoy, that's got to be some unspoken rule of reviews.


Maybe you should read the reviews on why they didn't like the MV.
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This was horrible. Ugly art style, horrible voice acting, and horrible music.

I dropped it 1 minute in, because the music sucked so much. I knew I would hate it, but I figured I could tolerate 6 minutes just to say I saw it, but nope.

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drgy55 said:

I enjoyed it quite a bit. I'm not really sure where the criticism is coming from apart from people not liking the music... which is fine, but then don't review it lol. It's not fair to score something you're predisposed not to enjoy, that's got to be some unspoken rule of reviews.


Maybe you should read the reviews on why they didn't like the MV.


You know what they say about "assume" :P I did, I just can't find anything substantial enough to reply to objectively. I can agree with anyone saying the animation/designs could have still been better because I made the same point, way earlier in this thread. I can't agree with things like the story being incoherent when I understood it easily my first time through or it being "feels bait" because that's not even criticism it's just a weird assumption etc. Unless you can find/have a better example, all I see is a bunch of subjectivity with nothing else to back it up.
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LOL.......The wall of text quotes are so funny to me. There isn't enough time in my world to read 70 plus lines of comment about a 6 minute anime. I enjoyed the art, the story line, and the music was wonderful. 9/10 for me......and done.
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Fantastically animated and created atmosphere! That backstory was just way too lovely :3 Also a very lovely tune actually!

Quite loved it I must say, yet so sad :'(
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I know it's short, but Jesus.. It surely left an impression on par with my favorite anime.
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i hope they make a anime about this girl in the future come :)
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I don't get it. It's just the series of cute pictures with very thin common theme to them and music in the background. Sometimes they are not even aesthetically consistent. People sure have rich imagination to be excited about this stuff.

But yeah, it's pretty.
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LMAO! Nine succeeded in blowing up Tokyo. . . and the whole world with it.

Twelve will be proud.
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yes, absolutely. The classic "oh you think it's bad? i'd like to see you do better!" argument is old as dirt... but it's as lazy and devoid of sense now as it was the first time someone used it. Everyone who consumes entertainment and is over 10 years old is aware that it takes varying amounts of time, dedication and skill they themselves don't necessarily have to produce original content. That alone doesn't and shouldn't in any way represent a valid line of defense against criticism of said content.


It's not classic, i think it's important to think like that before you commenting...if you're an educated person you should watch your language before speaking your opinion. Idk why you call it lazy.
I call it lazy because as I said, everyone who isn't a child knows they wouldn't have the ressources or skill to produce a better anime than Mars of Destruction even if they tried. Does that mean they have a moral obligation to show appreciation for a work they found generic, trite or offensively bad just because of that? Hell to the fucking no. People have a right to freely express their opinion on a work of fiction in whichever way they see fit.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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sorry, I don't know what really happen to that girl, I am really confused...Although the art is good. But what the heck is the story, I just spend 5 minutes listening to that okay song? come on
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I don't know what really happen to that girl, I am really confused...

Her father was a huge nerd and forced her into a VR device and she is now cursed and has to play VR Minecraft on her tablet every day until the end of time.
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Seiya said:
This was horrible. Ugly art style, horrible voice acting, and horrible music.

I dropped it 1 minute in, because the music sucked so much. I knew I would hate it, but I figured I could tolerate 6 minutes just to say I saw it, but nope.



You don't deserve to rate anime if your attention span is that short.

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What am I supposed to feel about this?


Depends on who you are. Are you a smart person who has the extremely rare gift of critical thinking? Then you should hate it for being manipulative garbage. Or are you a filthy casual who doesn't understand proper storytelling, thinks pretty colours actually mean something and cries everytime a random fictional puppy dies horrifically with sad music playing? Then you should love it.



Get over yourself.

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This was horrible. Ugly art style, horrible voice acting, and horrible music.

I dropped it 1 minute in, because the music sucked so much. I knew I would hate it, but I figured I could tolerate 6 minutes just to say I saw it, but nope.



You don't deserve to rate anime if your attention span is that short.


No, I don't have a short attention span. I'm mostly an old school Anime fan, and I hate electronic music, so there was no point in watching any more of it.

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You don't deserve to rate anime if your attention span is that short.


No, I don't have a short attention span. I'm mostly an old school Anime fan, and I hate electronic music, so there was no point in watching any more of it.



Ok, just don't start feeling like you can rate the whole MV, when you can't.

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No, I don't have a short attention span. I'm mostly an old school Anime fan, and I hate electronic music, so there was no point in watching any more of it.



Ok, just don't start feeling like you can rate the whole MV, when you can't.


I already did. Sorry you don't agree with that. You don't have to complete something to give it a rating, you know.

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For the lot of you judging a 6 minute mv like a movie or anime series: why? Will you judge a short story like you do a trilogy? Bashing Shelter's lack of plot or characterization doesn't make sense, because Shelter's goal isn't to be an epic. Its a story of Rin, discovering the truth, the father's sacrifice (and his duty to his own parents), and her coming to peace with herself, knowing that there is something to live for. Less is more, and Shelter does a wonderful job without trying to squeeze in more than it needs to.

I'm not sure if you all have seen them already, but the lyrics are nice. If you want to imagine Rin and her father saying the lines it probably makes sense like this



I really like the line "I'll give them shelter like you've done for me". It goes beyond love or duty; he's passing down the love that his own parents showed him. That was pretty moving.

9/10 well written, animated, short and sweet. Shed a tear or two
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For the lot of you judging a 6 minute mv like a movie or anime series: why? Will you judge a short story like you do a trilogy?


It's hard not to considering a movie can surpass all well-written anime series.
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I don't know what really happen to that girl, I am really confused...

Her father was a huge nerd and forced her into a VR device and she is now cursed and has to play VR Minecraft on her tablet every day until the end of time.
How cruel! It's like being trapped with no way out in a VR world! Oh wait... But anyway, this is child abuse.
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The hype died down, so here I am.
This was a nice little AMV. The monologue was useless though, detrimental even. As the saying goes : "Show, don't tell."
The gorgeous imagery and details were enough to convey the feelings and atmosphere. It would have had more of an impact without any speach, especially at the end where it completely threw me off. Maybe just leave the thank you but that's it.
Music was okay, I liked it.
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It was okay... though to me didn't really fit with the music and video
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Throni said:
sat2400 said:
I don't know what really happen to that girl, I am really confused...

Her father was a huge nerd and forced her into a VR device and she is now cursed and has to play VR Minecraft on her tablet every day until the end of time.


Well not forever as she is aging as seen from the last few seconds :(
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Does that mean they have a moral obligation to show appreciation for a work they found generic, trite or offensively bad just because of that? Hell to the fucking no. People have a right to freely express their opinion on a work of fiction in whichever way they see fit.


I think you're misunderstand, it's not about giving moral obligation for a work they found bad, you can say that work is not for your taste, end. Simple as that.

But to say it with such a harsh words and show it to everyone? that's what i called arrogant, you disliked it? keep it for yourself, don't badmouth it to everyone.

My point is i just want some people to realize, it's hard to make this short-animation so, please at least watch your manners.

"People have a right to freely express their opinion" is what you called classic and lazy... i think.

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For the lot of you judging a 6 minute mv like a movie or anime series: why? Will you judge a short story like you do a trilogy? Bashing Shelter's lack of plot or characterization doesn't make sense, because Shelter's goal isn't to be an epic. Its a story of Rin, discovering the truth, the father's sacrifice (and his duty to his own parents), and her coming to peace with herself, knowing that there is something to live for. Less is more, and Shelter does a wonderful job without trying to squeeze in more than it needs to.

I'm not sure if you all have seen them already, but the lyrics are nice. If you want to imagine Rin and her father saying the lines it probably makes sense like this



I really like the line "I'll give them shelter like you've done for me". It goes beyond love or duty; he's passing down the love that his own parents showed him. That was pretty moving.

9/10 well written, animated, short and sweet. Shed a tear or two


lmao you admit there's no story but at the same time conjure up a theory of a story, your argument is invalid.
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This is clearly overrated.
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animations' great, so what's so sad again?
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Animations great and song is amazing.
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I'm guessing she died in the end? Humanity was meant to die out?
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