| @kamisama751 I dont like quoting too much so my answer will be in numbers, 1 is the first and etc.. 1) First you say they judge only an aspect of the show, how do you assume this? and lets say one of them judges on one aspect of the show which i dont think so, even so the other awards are still there. Look Code Geass R2 for example, it won best screenplay, and im sure you disagree with it, what do you say now? let me guess, they have shit taste right? huh. Madoka also won the award along with screenplay, again they have shit taste because kamisama dont agree with them right? K-On animation is better than Brotherhood? you really think so? Shirobako (2015 winner) has better animation than OPM? I dont think awards judge only one aspect. 2) No, the fact is that the series is acclaimed by both; experts and people. You on the other hand said" Madoka is critically seen bullshit" How about you show me how its critically seen bullshit? The majority of its reviews is positive. 3+5) Its not about being objective, its a certain standard that fits the medium, and in these standards Madoka achieved good scores. You agree about critical acclaim you said this: "I know that and still see my first quote in this post" How do you agree that some critics may see a series bad when the quality as you've said is objective. Objective means facts, and if this was the case how then some critics will hate something while the others will love it? As I said it is certain accepted standards, but these standards work differently in each critic opinion, so yeah it is mostly subjective. 4) About reviewers; lets disregard the fanboys and haters, so we have mostly unbiased reviews done by expert users like for example Archaeon. Well most of these reviews are positive. and not bullshit as you claimed. 6) This one is weird: Why do you need to be convinced in order to accept that a series is acclaimed? it is not about YOU being convinced, it is about facts, facts say that Madoka has positive acclaim, you claim it has bullshit acclaim, well then show us will ya? Also, Ironically I can do the same as you: Wolf Children in my opinion is overrated, but it is critically acclaimed. But you know what? I think its critically bullshit because I dont see valid reasons for its acclaim! Do you see how this work? I can do the same thing as you, so by doing that then no series is critically acclaimed because every series has some people who dont like it no matter what. 7) Maybe it was acclaimed for its overall quality? Why not? So according to you objective quality in your opinion is only valid when you accept it? LOL Also its certainly not about popularity, this is completely wrong, Gintama is very popular in Japan and Shirobako won in 2015. Dennō Coil isn't more popular than Clannad After Story in Japan. Funny how you ignored most of the shows in these awards list and focused only on one show you didn't like instead of looking at all the winners which include some of your favorites. So if someone posted 100 reviews 90 of them being good according to you, and there is this 10 reviews you dont agree with, then you label the user as "not-professional" People are different mate, you dont have to agree with everything they say. 8) You can do the same thing to a negative review. 9+10) There are many many positive reviews for Madoka out there, this proves it has a critical acclaim along with people/anime fans acclaim, along with some awards. All of this says that the series has universal acclaim. If you want to prove otherwise, (that its critically seen bullshit) how about you give us some sources? |
| Because they're feggits thinking that newer anime is a ripoff from their favorite 90s or 80s animu while not realizing that their animu was inspired by something else |
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Nico- said: @Klassical Don't waste your time on him. He's a toxic human being who actually takes pride in posting his ridiculous garbage. I think he looks at things in an egocentric point of view, this is the only problem. Other than that he is free to do whatever he wants. |
Nico- said: Klassical said: I think he looks at things in an egocentric point of view, this is the only problem. Other than that he is free to do whatever he wants. You'll never convince him otherwise though. It's his way or the highway with him. This is the same guy who has the audacity to call himself "open-minded." He's one reason why I actually don't debate here. I've tried it once, I actually got a headache talking to him in the past. You know how he'll respond to this? With nothing but schadenfreude. Look upon his name tag lol, he is a "VIP Elitist" which will only mock your favorite animu. |
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Nico- said: Klassical said: I think he looks at things in an egocentric point of view, this is the only problem. Other than that he is free to do whatever he wants. You'll never convince him otherwise though. It's his way or the highway with him. I think so, but at least I post some stuff to strengthen my points, denying facts without proving otherwise is not smart. Anyway I think I've wrote some pretty logical stuff and explained my points, maybe other people can see this if not him. @You @galimx Yeah I know about the VIP Elitists stuff and that he takes a parody of a persona just like snob, maybe its time to stop then. |
Klassical said: I think so, but at least I post some stuff to strengthen my points, denying facts without proving otherwise is not smart. Anyway I think I've wrote some pretty logical stuff and explained my points, maybe other people can see this if not him. @You @galimx Yeah I know about the VIP Elitists stuff and that he takes a parody of a persona just like snob, maybe its time to stop then. Lol, yep I can debate about everything that I've seen if you want, and also I'm a blogger too so if I have wrote my long ass blog about my thoughts on an anime, then I can link you on it, that's if you really wanted to do so |
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| I share this vision, however I do not speak about this (unless the opportunity arises, such in a thread like this), the reason for this being that preferences and opinions are simply not accepted in this society and it is often better to remain quiet. I prefer just about anything that pre-dates the millenial years, with the exception of videogames, although there are several titles which I hold close to heart regardless. This is not because I am 'hipster', or anything of the sort, but because my first major interaction with the 70's and 80's occured when I was just eleven years old, and have lived the majority of my life 'in the past'. I was introduced to Hard Rock and Heavy Metal from those particular times, and have not strayed ever since. Naturally, as my fondness grew, my interests expanded and I grew attached to other media and phenomena from these periods; technology, fashion, reading-material, television series, movies, etc. After twelve years, I have still not shed this mindset, and I doubt I will anywhere soon, or in the future. I find a lot of material of fourty to thirty years of age to be incredibly detailed, intelligent, well thought-out, more original, and more catered to those who share a particular interest, and I am glad these works are not lost. In anime, I am more attracted to the art-work, the animation, the characterization, and the storyline. Why, on this forum it is impossible to convince the userbase of the authenthicity of these arguments (and no matter how you explain yourself, you will always be wrong about yourself, and others always claim to know your person better than yourself), so I do not quite know why the question still frequently arises as it is impossible, to break the modern-romanticists' wall down (which means; the majority of this userbase), but here is an answer to the original question. I would not say that everything aged is better as every era has its slumps —I would, for instance, likely prefer a show with a mean score of 4.0 from the 80's, than I would prefer a show with a mean score of 4.0 from past-2000— however the majority I find is more indulging to my requirements and interests. |
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| As everyone above me has said, it's in every mediafandom. The reason being that people only remember good old shows etc. And not the average-bad ones (the really shitty ones are remembered because of how bad they are). |
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| It is kinda true the amount of really good shows being made is lower in the last 2 years. This leads to some ppl to worship one era. To be honest, Pre-2000 was only really good because of the late 90's Boom, before that it was nothing bit niche marketing (Mostly towards geekdom). Post-2000 anime mostly helped making anime better and more popular thanks to great shows like NHK, FMA, Guren Lagan, Stand-alone complex, Gintama, Kino no Tabi, Monster etc. Heck even this decade has very strong and good shows like Steins gate, Psycho pass, JoJo, More Gintama, More Mushishi, HunterxHunter, Ping Pong, One punch man, Rakugo Shinju and many more. So yh We have a weak time in quality now, but anime has gotten better since the late 90's Boom. These ppl who say such things just glorify their decade without realising that even their decade made quite some terrible SHIT. |
| There are a lot more older anime, and thus a lot more masterpieces among them. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
| You want some VIP elitits worthy masterpiece dunk stuff, go watch some quality animus from the stone age like rocky balboa and flintstones and become the superior critic of these cancerous animes that is killing the industry #hatethenewgenerationofanimus #animewasamistake-davinci |
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Klassical said: Yeah I know about the VIP Elitists stuff and that he takes a parody of a persona just like snob, maybe its time to stop then. Parodies/jokes like that stop being jokes when you're never 'normal'. At this point I'd just identify any user with their actions/posts (what else is there?) since it makes no difference whether they are literally always acting or not. Fact is they are constantly behaving like an obnoxious elitist and therefore should be treated as such. Play a role too much and you'll become that role. Lestat- said: I share this vision, however I do not speak about this (unless the opportunity arises, such in a thread like this), the reason for this being that preferences and opinions are simply not accepted in this society and it is often better to remain quiet. I prefer just about anything that pre-dates the millenial years, with the exception of videogames, although there are several titles which I hold close to heart regardless. This is not because I am 'hipster', or anything of the sort, but because my first major interaction with the 70's and 80's occured when I was just eleven years old, and have lived the majority of my life 'in the past'. I was introduced to Hard Rock and Heavy Metal from those particular times, and have not strayed ever since. Naturally, as my fondness grew, my interests expanded and I grew attached to other media and phenomena from these periods; technology, fashion, reading-material, television series, movies, etc. After twelve years, I have still not shed this mindset, and I doubt I will anywhere soon, or in the future. I find a lot of material of fourty to thirty years of age to be incredibly detailed, intelligent, well thought-out, more original, and more catered to those who share a particular interest, and I am glad these works are not lost. In anime, I am more attracted to the art-work, the animation, the characterization, and the storyline. Why, on this forum it is impossible to convince the userbase of the authenthicity of these arguments (and no matter how you explain yourself, you will always be wrong about yourself, and others always claim to know your person better than yourself), so I do not quite know why the question still frequently arises as it is impossible, to break the modern-romanticists' wall down (which means; the majority of this userbase), but here is an answer to the original question. I would not say that everything aged is better as every era has its slumps —I would, for instance, likely prefer a show with a mean score of 4.0 from the 80's, than I would prefer a show with a mean score of 4.0 from past-2000— however the majority I find is more indulging to my requirements and interests. It's just Nostalgia blinding you, admit it! Yeah I know it's tough to convince these people. It's because their worldview is that newer things are automatically better because that's what new means. (The newest Iphone is also better than the one before that so why would it be different in any other context?). To accept that someone can prefer old stuff over new stuff without extremely biased reasons, would shatter a core component of their belief system. They'd have to accept that there is nothing true or objective about their belief that new is always better and that it's all relative and coming down to preference. It's like telling a religious person that their god doesn't really exist and whether you believe and in what you believe is all relative and comes down to personal preference. |
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Zapredon said: I don't really watch that much old anime but having seen classic like original Gundam, Gundam Zeta and Gundam ZZ,I can guarantee old anime are certainly not better. Gundam ZZ for example is the worst Gundam. Oh god ZZ, please no don't bring back the nightmares. Funny thing is you still need to watch it to understand what is going on in unicorn. I do admit I'm an elitist when it comes to people not having seen an entire franchise (well a continuity, AU gundams are meant to be watched in a vacuum) and just jumping in on new shit because it's hype. If you are into the mecha genre though, I would definitely say older is better. From just a visual design perspective the older shows are way more appealing to me. Like I'm watching the original macross atm and it's awesome however I look at the new macross and see a bunch of colourful idols and I just think no. I haven't seen many newer space and mecha shows (I mean there aren't many anyway) but for that specific type of show, pre 2000s is the golden age. I haven't seen origin or thunderbolt yet but they seem like the only shows that capture the feeling of those older mecha shows (well origin has 3d mechs so yeah only thunderbolt which is just an hour long film basically). |
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black1blade said: Zapredon said: I don't really watch that much old anime but having seen classic like original Gundam, Gundam Zeta and Gundam ZZ,I can guarantee old anime are certainly not better. Gundam ZZ for example is the worst Gundam. Oh god ZZ, please no don't bring back the nightmares. Funny thing is you still need to watch it to understand what is going on in unicorn. I do admit I'm an elitist when it comes to people not having seen an entire franchise (well a continuity, AU gundams are meant to be watched in a vacuum) and just jumping in on new shit because it's hype. If you are into the mecha genre though, I would definitely say older is better. From just a visual design perspective the older shows are way more appealing to me. Like I'm watching the original macross atm and it's awesome however I look at the new macross and see a bunch of colourful idols and I just think no. I haven't seen many newer space and mecha shows (I mean there aren't many anyway) but for that specific type of show, pre 2000s is the golden age. I haven't seen origin or thunderbolt yet but they seem like the only shows that capture the feeling of those older mecha shows (well origin has 3d mechs so yeah only thunderbolt which is just an hour long film basically). For me Unicorn and Thunderbolt are two of my 3 favorite UC Gundams and they're both very recent. My very favorite is WITP tho which is an oldie, and 8th MS Team is probably #4. So mostly OVAs without Tomino's involvment > TV Series with Tomino's involvment when it comes to Gundam AU, at least for me. Not so much when they were made. In terms of TV Series only I'd probably agree that pre-2000 mecha > modern mecha just based on what I've seen (which isn't too much outside of Gundam). IBO is supposed to be pretty good but the other post-2000 Gundam TV Series all look not that appealing compared to stuff like Zeta, Turn A, G Gundam, After War etc... |
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Pullman said: black1blade said: Oh god ZZ, please no don't bring back the nightmares. Funny thing is you still need to watch it to understand what is going on in unicorn. I do admit I'm an elitist when it comes to people not having seen an entire franchise (well a continuity, AU gundams are meant to be watched in a vacuum) and just jumping in on new shit because it's hype. If you are into the mecha genre though, I would definitely say older is better. From just a visual design perspective the older shows are way more appealing to me. Like I'm watching the original macross atm and it's awesome however I look at the new macross and see a bunch of colourful idols and I just think no. I haven't seen many newer space and mecha shows (I mean there aren't many anyway) but for that specific type of show, pre 2000s is the golden age. I haven't seen origin or thunderbolt yet but they seem like the only shows that capture the feeling of those older mecha shows (well origin has 3d mechs so yeah only thunderbolt which is just an hour long film basically). For me Unicorn and Thunderbolt are two of my 3 favorite UC Gundams and they're both very recent. My very favorite is WITP tho which is an oldie, and 8th MS Team is probably #4. So mostly OVAs without Tomino's involvment > TV Series with Tomino's involvment when it comes to Gundam AU, at least for me. Not so much when they were made. In terms of TV Series only I'd probably agree that pre-2000 mecha > modern mecha just based on what I've seen (which isn't too much outside of Gundam). IBO is supposed to be pretty good but the other post-2000 Gundam TV Series all look not that appealing compared to stuff like Zeta, Turn A, G Gundam, After War etc... I mean I like unicorn but I prefer zeta. Unicorn is definitely more dense but I prefer the less overdesigned and flashy mobile suits. |
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black1blade said: Pullman said: For me Unicorn and Thunderbolt are two of my 3 favorite UC Gundams and they're both very recent. My very favorite is WITP tho which is an oldie, and 8th MS Team is probably #4. So mostly OVAs without Tomino's involvment > TV Series with Tomino's involvment when it comes to Gundam AU, at least for me. Not so much when they were made. In terms of TV Series only I'd probably agree that pre-2000 mecha > modern mecha just based on what I've seen (which isn't too much outside of Gundam). IBO is supposed to be pretty good but the other post-2000 Gundam TV Series all look not that appealing compared to stuff like Zeta, Turn A, G Gundam, After War etc... I mean I like unicorn but I prefer zeta. Unicorn is definitely more dense but I prefer the less overdesigned and flashy mobile suits. I see. Well I never was a fan of the mechas themselves (mecha fights mostly bore me too) but more interested in Gundam because of the characters, politics, worldbuilding, dialogue and sci-fi concepts. Unicorn ep 4 is probably the best I've seen in that regard <3. |
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Pullman said: black1blade said: I mean I like unicorn but I prefer zeta. Unicorn is definitely more dense but I prefer the less overdesigned and flashy mobile suits. I see. Well I never was a fan of the mechas themselves (mecha fights mostly bore me too) but more interested in Gundam because of the characters, politics, worldbuilding, dialogue and sci-fi concepts. Unicorn ep 4 is probably the best I've seen in that regard <3. It was cool seeing all the zeon guerrilla forces rise up. That was the ep where mineva got to go to earth and had coffee with that earthanoid guy right? That conversation was really interesting yeah. My main problem with unicorn outside of the mechas is the method of actually getting to laplace's box. It just seems so esoteric and random where as the box it's self makes loads of sense. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Actually going back onto topic, I've seen great (well 8+) anime from almost every year I've seen more than a handful of shows. The more genres you enjoy the more into anime you can be. Also the more you like anime the more genres you are likely to explore. It's a positive feedback loop where more and more good anime is consumed. That is until you eventually get sick of anime and become a disgruntled person in their mid 20s and upwards who hate everything that is new. I mean I'm probably going to get to that stage where I think all new anime is total bullshit and that's fine. You can always watch older shows and there are so many great anime it'll take ages to run out and only if watching anime is all you do for years on end do you have a have a chance of running out of stuff. Don't feel an obligation to watch stuff that you think would be shit even if everyone is talking about it. Why would you do that unless you are a masochist? Well I might watch re:zero once it's finished, I'm not really following the conversations but I bet the episode threads are a fun shitstorm XD. |
black1bladeAug 9, 2016 7:34 AM
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Wensbane said: It's not just anime, it's present in the music and in the movie communities as well. So yeah, it's basically everywhere. Why? I honestly do not know. De La Soul is Dead > Three Feet High and Rising > Buhloone Mindstate > > > > Stakes is High I acknowledge that by ranting about this topic for the umpteenth time I am just preaching to the choir and adding fuel to the fire, but why do you think that the "old stuff was better" attitude is so prevalent among the anime community? Is it based in ignorance and nostalgia, or do these people have valid concerns about the state of modern anime? Since I do find it always good to critique the status quo of any media, but at the same time dislike attitudes such as nostalgia for its own sake, I would say that it's a bit of both. Why is "new stuff is ALWAYS better" such a prevalent opinion in the MAL community? Because it's a very easy opinion to have, same the other way around. What's wrong with having an opinion? The end, whew, what an easy question. Next! |
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Zapredon said: I don't really watch that much old anime but having seen classic like original Gundam, Gundam Zeta and Gundam ZZ,I can guarantee old anime are certainly not better. Gundam ZZ for example is the worst Gundam. Having rated Seed and Seed Destiny so highly, you have no right to call out any other Gundam entry as the "worst Gundam". ZZ is great if you take the series on its own terms. The cast are developed wonderfully and it arguably has the best Earth arc in the franchise. |
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Lyuze said: Zapredon said: I don't really watch that much old anime but having seen classic like original Gundam, Gundam Zeta and Gundam ZZ,I can guarantee old anime are certainly not better. Gundam ZZ for example is the worst Gundam. Having rated Seed and Seed Destiny so highly, you have no right to call out any other Gundam entry as the "worst Gundam". B-BUT SEED HAS BETTER ANIMATION!!!!11!11oneone11!1 |
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ashfrliebert said: Why is "new stuff is ALWAYS better" such a prevalent opinion in the MAL community? Because it's a very easy opinion to have, same the other way around. Case in point with the Gundam fandom here in this thread, which shows just how easy and commonplace it is to buy into the partisanship arguments for your preferred era. |
| Chances are, the reason people say things like "the old stuff is better" is because they watched one modern anime and it rubbed them the wrong way thus leaving a bad impression. At this point, the person immediately remembers a time where they enjoyed an anime very much and if it happens to be a classic anime, they'll create the conclusion that modern anime is garbage and they should've stuck with the early stuff. It's kind of a thing I fall into all the time with other mediums, but the cure for it is the push past the initial impression and scour the modern anime until one piques your fancy (which shouldnt take long as there are a lot of good ones that will always be recommended to you). |
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Lyuze said: Zapredon said: I don't really watch that much old anime but having seen classic like original Gundam, Gundam Zeta and Gundam ZZ,I can guarantee old anime are certainly not better. Gundam ZZ for example is the worst Gundam. Having rated Seed and Seed Destiny so highly, you have no right to call out any other Gundam entry as the "worst Gundam". ZZ is great if you take the series on its own terms. The cast are developed wonderfully and it arguably has the best Earth arc in the franchise. Seed and Destiny are my first two Gundam. They are both also among my first anime. Original Gundam and Zeta Gundam are about as good as Iron Blood and 00. Quality level about the same. No way old anime are better than modern one. |
ZapredonAug 9, 2016 10:11 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| because it applies with anime and with everything else.. |
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| From what I've seen of pre-2000s anime it definitely has a more sincere feeling to it. (not sure if that's the best description but that's all I got) |
| Not just anime....anything dealing with entrainment in general. Just people who always think anything old is better than what is new. Granted there is some new anime, games, and movies that prove these people right. |
| I got a Masters degree. I don't have to worry bout school anymore. |
| It's not a common attitude at all. I've only ever met like one person on MAL that claimed something close to that. |
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| @kamisama751 Dude, please stop already. Klassical has shown and proven to you that Madoka is an acclaimed anime, meaning it has received praise by the masses. Nobody cares about what you think of the show itself. |
| I would agree with the others that say "old is better" is seen everywhere and I personally think the reason is the same for all of them with most people. Take for example someone who grew up in the 80's they watched their shows and stuff including anime and such and loved it all. As time progressed they see things grow and change and such and then this person will start complaining that the old stuff is better. A common argument these kinds of people bring up is that new stuff just copy old stuff. Which in a way is true, however, this has been going on forever really. You can find something from the 80's and trace back something similar to it in the 60's and so on and so forth. People just have these goggles on blinding them from seeing the truth. Even every generation there will be something that copies old things but there will also be things that are new and original. In the anime aspect, I have seen people say older is better every now and then, but I don't see them complaining that moe and ecchi stuff kills the industry. From things I've seen, I see that the reason for the industry dying is more due to foreign countries watch anime illegally and don't buy the anime merchandise anymore. And this lack of money makes anime merchandise cost more since they try to gain as much money as possible to gather funds to create new or continue series. So I would agree the industry is dying but it's more due to lack of funds rather than "moe/ecchi crap" |
| I feel like we have this thread once every month. I'm a old school anime fan myself since I grew up with anime during the 90's. There is a lot of bad stuff before the 21st century (Pre-2001) like MD Geist (I admit it is a guilty pleasure of mine), Doomed Megalopolis, Judge, Harmagedon: Genma taisen, Kimera, Dragon Ball GT, Cipher, Plastic Little and several others. I think a lot of people like older anime over newer anime because we have so much moe cutesy and harems anime these days. I see people like Shonen anime now these days is too predictable and cliche.Not to mention a lot of older anime was hand drawn and people like that style better (including me) |
| Well more like the new animes are not good overall. Yeah sure there are good ones but there not a lot of them. |
| I have seen people say that newer anime focuses too much on fan service and pretty animation than story telling. I don't think that is always true since I think Tiger & Bunny and The Devil is A Part Timer did a great job on story and characters in my opinion. |
| I'm more annoyed by the people who think this type of mindset is more common than it actually is. |
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Pullman said: Klassical said: Yeah I know about the VIP Elitists stuff and that he takes a parody of a persona just like snob, maybe its time to stop then. Parodies/jokes like that stop being jokes when you're never 'normal'. At this point I'd just identify any user with their actions/posts (what else is there?) since it makes no difference whether they are literally always acting or not. Fact is they are constantly behaving like an obnoxious elitist and therefore should be treated as such. Play a role too much and you'll become that role. I can't disagree with this, "(what else is there?)" And " Play a role too much and you'll become that role." Well said. Anyway "Fin." for this thread from me. |
| Goes to an old anime video: People talking about the actual anime in the comments. Goes to an old music video: People talking about how much better music used to be at that video's release time period. ... |
| It's present in any entertainment medium. Music, TV, books, movies, etc. etc. etc. In regards to anime, there are several reasons I can see people thinking older anime is better than newer anime: 1. Anime is much more available now than it was in the past. Prior to the Internet being able to stream shows at a quality resolution, the main way you would watch anime was on TV. It would be much harder to be a casual fan. Because of this, shows were able to develop a very loyal, cult fanbase. Now, you can watch anime whenever. Whatever you want. Where ever you want. 2. While newer anime is much more popular, more "vintage" shows are a bit more obscure (there are exceptions of course). Obscure shows can tend to have a smaller, but stronger, more loyal fanbase (also caused by reason 1). Smaller groups can tend to be much more homogeneous in their views and opinions. This leads to these groups viewing their tastes as better, while being further reinforced by the group. 3. Many new people are introduced to anime through newer shows. While there are exceptions, this is generally the case. Because of this, newer fans will over value the quality of a show, leading to "hype". People who watch older shows have often been exposed to the medium longer, and thus can have a more defined (defined, not correct) opinion on what they do and do not like. This, coupled with the first point, leads to fans of older anime believing that newer shows are simply overrated. 4. Many new shows are inspired by older ones. The anime medium has been around for a long enough time now to become self influential. The people who make anime now were fans of older anime. It is considered respectful to recognize that the shows that influenced what we have now (and thus without them, we would not have what we do now) as better because they brought on what we currently enjoy. Think of it as respecting your elders. 5. The anime medium has grown exponentially over the years. Because of this, and the recognition of the medium's profitability, networks are more willing to produce more anime. To some, this devalues the quality of the medium. They believe networks are more concerned with net gains than they are producing an actual work of art. Most anime fans are simply casual viewers of the medium (and there's nothing wrong with that). However, there is an obvious disparity between the tastes of the new casual viewer, and the die-hard veteran fan. The networks cater more to the mass audience than the niche market. That's not to say there aren't good shows being produced, and that shows that cater to the casual audience cannot also appeal to the more dedicated fans, but there is an obvious observable trend. 6. Anime is much more available now than it was in the past. Prior to the Internet being able to stream shows at a quality resolution, the main way you would watch anime was on TV. It would be much harder to be a casual fan. Because of this, shows were able to develop a very loyal, cult fanbase. Now, you can watch anime whenever. Whatever you want. Where ever you want. |
MienusAug 9, 2016 3:08 PM
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
GREAT2070 said: Goes to an old music video: People talking about how much better music used to be at that video's release time period. Muh "I was born in the wrong generation" |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| Difference with bad anime from pre-2000 and now is that it's easier to know what is crap or not now if you ask me. In the 90's, Angel Cop and MD Geist was the anime titles that anime fans would tell other anime fans to avoid. With the Internet now, people have Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and web forums. Word of mouth can spread quicker if a title is bad or good thanks to Internet buzz. In the 90's, the Internet was a brand new thing and not everyone had a Computer yet. People would buy or rent things based on whatever anime titles that the video store next to them had. Fans would go in the dark knowing if it would be good or not. The Internet became mainstream during the early 2000's, so it made it easier for people to Google things. |
| In general, people always like to talk about "good old times" so i don't think its just about our community. it's probably something more psychological. |
| BORN IN THE WRONG GENERATION It's about music but also applicable to elitist old anime fans. People who keep saying old music/anime are better are edgy. |
ZapredonAug 9, 2016 8:45 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| It's not just anime. In every fandom (books, movies, music, games, etc.), there are always people who wear their nostalgia goggles too tight. |
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