Macross Δ Episode 2 Discussion

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fst said:
But not the CG, which looks exactly the same as Frontier, which aired 8 years ago... scientific progress is truly astounding.

I'm not saying there's no room for improvement, but the CG elements need to look like they can still fit in a world which generally retains a hand illustrated, hand painted look and this limits them to how far they can take things. If they go too realistic, with photograph-based textures and physically accurate lighting on the CG elements, or otherwise significantly out-detail the rest of the show, the contrast would be too jarring.

If the worst is that the CG in Delta looks the same as it did in Frontier, which wasn't too bad to begin with, I can live with that. What's more troubling is the bad CG animation.

The dogfights were fine but some of the land combat sequences were surprisingly bad. I.e. The Regult pods starting around the 14:13 minute mark in episode 1. At times they felt floaty and lacked any sense of mass, their motions lacked a sense of weight and acceleration as if the animators were plunking down key frames and relying too much on untweaked key frame interpolation.

If they wanted to make our hero pilots look good by making the enemy look clumsy, that's the wrong approach. You don't raise the bar by dropping the floor.

To me, that's far more distracting than Delta's current level of rendering quality. I'm hoping that the bad CG animation is limited to the first, or first few episodes.

If there are any improvements to be made in the CG, hopefully we'll see them in later episodes as things often get tweaked during production and manifest themselves down the road.

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This is my first actual macross series, so Im a total noob yet (i plan to watch all the rest when I get the time), but I really didn't understand what they meant when they said that Hayate could "ride the wind" or something like that. Freyja also mentioned something like that in regards to singing (i think).

Is there any purpose at all to those overly complex wind metaphors, or is it just the writers trying to act smart and failing? Cuz without any background knowledge, those bits of dialogue felt pretentious and straight up retatrded tbh.

If somebody could clarify whether there's meant to be some meaning to all that, tell me pleaseee!!!

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alvenzo95 said:
This is my first actual macross series, so Im a total noob yet (i plan to watch all the rest when I get the time), but I really didn't understand what they meant when they said that Hayate could "ride the wind" or something like that. Freyja also mentioned something like that in regards to singing (i think).

Is there any purpose at all to those overly complex wind metaphors, or is it just the writers trying to act smart and failing? Cuz without any background knowledge, those bits of dialogue felt pretentious and straight up retatrded tbh.

If somebody could clarify whether there's meant to be some meaning to all that, tell me pleaseee!!!

from what I gather its just saying prevalent within that region that basically means "taking chances" or some shit. I am pretty sure it is a new term.

Macross franchise has certain cultural slang prevalent through the universe.
The most common ones are:
- deculture, as a slang for being awestruck and impressed by something. It kind of evolved from a curse word used to express a cultural shock.
- protoculture, a term used to refer to the original first humanoid species that genetically engineered most of humanoid races and then perished millions of years ago. A lot of more complex technology are basically remnants of the knowledge of that species.

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Fai said:

alvenzo95 said:
This is my first actual macross series, so Im a total noob yet (i plan to watch all the rest when I get the time), but I really didn't understand what they meant when they said that Hayate could "ride the wind" or something like that. Freyja also mentioned something like that in regards to singing (i think).

Is there any purpose at all to those overly complex wind metaphors, or is it just the writers trying to act smart and failing? Cuz without any background knowledge, those bits of dialogue felt pretentious and straight up retatrded tbh.

If somebody could clarify whether there's meant to be some meaning to all that, tell me pleaseee!!!

from what I gather its just saying prevalent within that region that basically means "taking chances" or some shit. I am pretty sure it is a new term.

Macross franchise has certain cultural slang prevalent through the universe.
The most common ones are:
- deculture, as a slang for being awestruck and impressed by something. It kind of evolved from a curse word used to express a cultural shock.
- protoculture, a term used to refer to the original first humanoid species that genetically engineered most of humanoid races and then perished millions of years ago. A lot of more complex technology are basically remnants of the knowledge of that species.

Thanks a lot for the info!! That was really the only thing bugging me, cuz some anime use shit "slang" (if you wanna call it that) like this to make everything sound more pretty and optimistic, it sorta pisses me off :/ Also thanks for telling me about deculture and those types of words, cuz I knew they were from macross but didnt really know what they meant xD

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alvenzo95 said:
This is my first actual macross series, so Im a total noob yet (i plan to watch all the rest when I get the time), but I really didn't understand what they meant when they said that Hayate could "ride the wind" or something like that. Freyja also mentioned something like that in regards to singing (i think).

Is there any purpose at all to those overly complex wind metaphors, or is it just the writers trying to act smart and failing? Cuz without any background knowledge, those bits of dialogue felt pretentious and straight up retatrded tbh.

Fai said:
from what I gather its just saying prevalent within that region that basically means "taking chances" or some shit. I am pretty sure it is a new term.

It seems to allude to some mysterious phenomenon that certain peoples have become aware of and have incorporated into their culture (and religion?), and hence, their lexicon.

Back in episode 1 at around the 22m:30s mark, when Frejya and Hayate experience a "NewType" moment, Hayate questions whether the song he's hearing/feeling from Freyja is "the wind."

In episode 2, Hayate steps off the edge of the flight deck. I realize he's trying to prove his mettle to Arad but such a move is clearly suicidal. Hayate obviously felt he was in no real danger and the fact that he performs this move at the moment Freyja starts singing in earnest is no coincidence. Although he's buoyed by a literal wind, obviously they wanted to convey that there's something much more at work.

When Arad exclaims that Hayate is "riding the wind", I got the impression that he was being literal in his use of the term but we haven't been given any exposition on Arad's beliefs so I'm unsure about this.

Just speculating here but given Macross history, "the wind" is probably another variation or aspect of the "fold wave" phenomenon that even the Macross universe itself hasn't endeavored to fully explain yet. In the previous Macross series, "Macross Frontier", they also had their own take on the fold wave phenomenon that their idols, Ranka Lee and Sheryl Nome, had the ability to manipulate.

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alvenzo95 said:
This is my first actual macross series, so Im a total noob yet (i plan to watch all the rest when I get the time), but I really didn't understand what they meant when they said that Hayate could "ride the wind" or something like that. Freyja also mentioned something like that in regards to singing (i think).

Is there any purpose at all to those overly complex wind metaphors, or is it just the writers trying to act smart and failing? Cuz without any background knowledge, those bits of dialogue felt pretentious and straight up retatrded tbh.

Fai said:
from what I gather its just saying prevalent within that region that basically means "taking chances" or some shit. I am pretty sure it is a new term.

It actually alludes to something that' s mysterious but exists and is one of the reasons it has entered the regional colloquialism.

Back in episode 1 at around the 22m:30s mark, when Frejya and Hayate experience a "NewType" moment, Hayate questions whether the song he's hearing/feeling from Freyja is "the wind."

In episode 2, Hayate steps off the edge of the flight deck. I realize he's trying to prove his mettle to Arad but such a move is clearly suicidal. Hayate obviously felt he was in no real danger and the fact that he performs this move at the moment Freyja starts singing in earnest is no coincidence. Although he's buoyed by a literal wind, obviously they wanted to convey that there's something much more at work.

Just speculating here but given Macross history, "the wind" is probably another variation or aspect of the "fold wave" phenomenon that even the Macross universe itself hasn't endeavored to fully explain yet. Macross Frontier also had their take on the fold wave phenomenon that Ranka and Sheryl had the ability to manipulate.

Hmm, I hope what ur saying is true that there's something more at work, and its not just some random bullshit to bait viewers/ possible future deus ex machina. Leaving that aside, i've got mixed feelings about the whole idol thing (as do many others), but im finding the series as a whole surprisingly enjoyable :P

Since you seem like an veteran Macross fan, would you say macross 7 is good or bad (most people say its the worst and Im curious whether I should skip it or not when I start catching up). Also, since this apparently has a similar style, which do you think is better?

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alvenzo95 said:
This is my first actual macross series, so Im a total noob yet (i plan to watch all the rest when I get the time), but I really didn't understand what they meant when they said that Hayate could "ride the wind" or something like that. Freyja also mentioned something like that in regards to singing (i think).

Is there any purpose at all to those overly complex wind metaphors, or is it just the writers trying to act smart and failing? Cuz without any background knowledge, those bits of dialogue felt pretentious and straight up retatrded tbh.

Fai said:
from what I gather its just saying prevalent within that region that basically means "taking chances" or some shit. I am pretty sure it is a new term.

It seems to allude to some mysterious phenomenon that certain peoples have become aware of and have incorporated into their culture (and religion?), and hence, their lexicon.

Back in episode 1 at around the 22m:30s mark, when Frejya and Hayate experience a "NewType" moment, Hayate questions whether the song he's hearing/feeling from Freyja is "the wind."

In episode 2, Hayate steps off the edge of the flight deck. I realize he's trying to prove his mettle to Arad but such a move is clearly suicidal. Hayate obviously felt he was in no real danger and the fact that he performs this move at the moment Freyja starts singing in earnest is no coincidence. Although he's buoyed by a literal wind, obviously they wanted to convey that there's something much more at work.

When Arad exclaims that Hayate is "riding the wind", I got the impression that he was being literal in his use of the term but we haven't been given any exposition on Arad's beliefs so I'm unsure about this.

Just speculating here but given Macross history, "the wind" is probably another variation or aspect of the "fold wave" phenomenon that even the Macross universe itself hasn't endeavored to fully explain yet. In the previous Macross series, "Macross Frontier", they also had their own take on the fold wave phenomenon that their idols, Ranka Lee and Sheryl Nome, had the ability to manipulate.

The villain guy also says that "there's no wind in here" when talking to his boss this episode, and his pilots reference it before going into battle in first episode too.

Also yes it is implied that both Walkurie songs and Var Syndrome are connected to fold. We also had that scene of someone singing that caused the var syndrome to activate(which in itself brings me back memories of vajra and how they communicated/mated via music).

I don't think fold needs that much of explanation. ITs basically Warp from Warhammer 40 000. A separate dimension that allows to fold the natural space and basically create wormholes. And just like with Warp, fold also seems to be able to carry through telepathic energies like music.

the whole ride the wind seems to be just a luck phrase tho, since the badguy also uses it when seeing off his forces launching in the first episode.

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alvenzo95 said:

Hmm, I hope what ur saying is true that there's something more at work, and its not just some random bullshit to bait viewers/ possible future deus ex machina. Leaving that aside, i've got mixed feelings about the whole idol thing (as do many others), but im finding the series as a whole surprisingly enjoyable :P

I don't think it's a random plot coupon since fold waves and certain characters' ability to manipulate fold waves has been established beforehand. The fold wave phenomenon also serves as the basis for interdimensional space jump technology for larger spacecraft in the Macross universe.

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Since you seem like an veteran Macross fan, would you say macross 7 is good or bad (most people say its the worst and Im curious whether I should skip it or not when I start catching up). Also, since this apparently has a similar style, which do you think is better?

I actually skipped Macross 7 because it did not appeal to me at all. Of course, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't give it a try if you're inclined. It would certainly give you some context and perspective regarding some people's opinions about various Macross elements.

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Also Macross 7 is absolutely not similar to this in anyway. This is still closer to Frontier, than 7. Still , as someone already said, every single macros series are different, because they have different influences.

7 went off the wall due to the musical influences it was based upon (70's hard rock, metal, etc, the times of music videos with rock bands battling demons with their electric guitars, etc).

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the whole ride the wind seems to be just a luck phrase tho, since the badguy also uses it when seeing off his forces launching in the first episode.

Sounds like Macross Delta's version of "May the Force be with you".

And when Arad says Hayate is "riding the wind" it's like saying saying "The Force is strong in this one!" :-) Heh, heh

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alvenzo95 said:

Hmm, I hope what ur saying is true that there's something more at work, and its not just some random bullshit to bait viewers/ possible future deus ex machina. Leaving that aside, i've got mixed feelings about the whole idol thing (as do many others), but im finding the series as a whole surprisingly enjoyable :P

I don't think it's a random plot coupon since fold waves and certain characters' ability to manipulate fold waves has been established beforehand. The fold wave phenomenon also serves as the basis for interdimensional space jump technology for larger spacecraft in the Macross universe.

alvenzo95 said:

Since you seem like an veteran Macross fan, would you say macross 7 is good or bad (most people say its the worst and Im curious whether I should skip it or not when I start catching up). Also, since this apparently has a similar style, which do you think is better?

I actually skipped Macross 7 because it did not appeal to me at all. Of course, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't give it a try if you're inclined. It would certainly give you some context and perspective regarding some people's opinions about various Macross elements.

I'll probably give it a shot nonetheless, its just I've yet to hear a good comment about the series overall xD.
Also what you said about the wind and comparing it to the force, i wouldn't mind at all it if turns out to be something like that at all!! (but it better be properly explained hehe)

Also, another thing i noticed is Freyja mentions something about windemere/windemere power (could be a planet/colony/name of a fleet??). Maybe thats related to the whole wind talk in some way... I've seen a few posts on it, but no concrete info yet...

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Also Macross 7 is absolutely not similar to this in anyway. This is still closer to Frontier, than 7. Still , as someone already said, every single macros series are different, because they have different influences.

7 went off the wall due to the musical influences it was based upon (70's hard rock, metal, etc, the times of music videos with rock bands battling demons with their electric guitars, etc).

Fair enough, its just that a lot of the complaints I heard were simply that the musical aspect were more heavy and took a bigger role than sdf or any other macross series, so i thought it would be a similar situation to this one, but i guess it isn't necessarily. Im enjoying this one a fair bit so far, so I'll keep watching and see for myself what comes out of this :)

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Must we have to watch love triangle again =.=?

Anyway, the last part Freyja inside the train really not bad at all, who would have thought everything its just audition.

It's the usual 3some in every Macross Franchise.

Apr 12, 2016 2:10 PM

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First episode was a long trailer but the picture is taking form now, a triangle of course. I’m glad to see more planetary settlements instead of the typical colonization ships for a change.

Apr 12, 2016 3:19 PM

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From the start I knew this anime was going to be great. Kawamori-sensei never ceases to amaze me with how much effort he puts in all his great series can't wait to watch more of the anime. Its definitely gonna be one of the favorites of the season ^^

& Before I forget to mention I also knew from the very start there would be a love triangle between Hayate, Freyja and Mirage oh Kawamori-sensei I know you so well :P Haven't I learned from your previous anime like Aquarion Evol and Nobunaga the Fool lol

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alvenzo95 said:
Is there any purpose at all to those overly complex wind metaphors, or is it just the writers trying to act smart and failing? Cuz without any background knowledge, those bits of dialogue felt pretentious and straight up retatrded tbh.

If somebody could clarify whether there's meant to be some meaning to all that, tell me pleaseee!!!

this catch the wind is taken from isamu dyson, the main character of macross plus
in his teens hand made gliders to "catch the wind" with his friends and fly like a giant bird that lived on his planet
he used to move his hand like hayate while looking at the clouds, dreaming it was his plane
and by "following the wind" he won a very difficult fight with his plane

macross plus was pretty more serious than delta, if you dont count an event that i personally find not realistic at all about music...
dont want to start an hard discussion again, lets just say that between one macross and another, sometimes you have bigger difference than in many gudnam series
only that macross have only one timeline, while many gundam series are totally stand alone worlds

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alvenzo95 said:
Is there any purpose at all to those overly complex wind metaphors, or is it just the writers trying to act smart and failing? Cuz without any background knowledge, those bits of dialogue felt pretentious and straight up retatrded tbh.

If somebody could clarify whether there's meant to be some meaning to all that, tell me pleaseee!!!

this catch the wind is taken from isamu dyson, the main character of macross plus
in his teens hand made gliders to "catch the wind" with his friends and fly like a giant bird that lived on his planet
he used to move his hand like hayate while looking at the clouds, dreaming it was his plane
and by "following the wind" he won a very difficult fight with his plane

macross plus was pretty more serious than delta, if you dont count an event that i personally find not realistic at all about music...
dont want to start an hard discussion again, lets just say that between one macross and another, sometimes you have bigger difference than in many gudnam series
only that macross have only one timeline, while many gundam series are totally stand alone worlds

ok im not sure i got all that , but it really doesnt matter cuz i dont want to be spoilt for macross plus :P However, hayate had no gliders or anything of the sort.... I imagine this will be explained further on, but so far this guy I was talking to yesterday who knows quite a bit about macross told me it might be something like the "force" in star wars (which could be a possibility) and i think theres also speculation thta this could be linked to some stuff from frontier (dont quote me on this tho). I guess we'll just have to see....

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Apr 13, 2016 6:08 AM

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Really surpis3d by the anime. I haven't watched any Macross previously so I had no idea what this was about. I watched both episodes so far and I like it.

For what it is, its quite enjoyable. Looking forward to both MC'S in their new roles.

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ok im not sure i got all that , but it really doesnt matter cuz i dont want to be spoilt for macross plus :P However, hayate had no gliders or anything of the sort.... I imagine this will be explained further on, but so far this guy I was talking to yesterday who knows quite a bit about macross told me it might be something like the "force" in star wars (which could be a possibility) and i think theres also speculation thta this could be linked to some stuff from frontier (dont quote me on this tho). I guess we'll just have to see....

Sorry for spoiling a little, actually the words dyson used were literally this, but translated from the italian dub, in have never seen plus with English dub or sub.

Dont want to spoil and ruin your fun, so we will see in future.
Actually this second episode was pretty cool, to me still seem a bit out of piace compared to the past macross but this does not mean it was bad
My only remark is hayate complaining about the 4 vf who did not take off in perfect syncro, like a professional dancer...
They were in emergency, people was dying under bombs, and you wait the others to coordinate a cool looking take off?
In the '70 a super robot launch and transformation were like that, but it was 40 years ago...

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ok im not sure i got all that , but it really doesnt matter cuz i dont want to be spoilt for macross plus :P However, hayate had no gliders or anything of the sort.... I imagine this will be explained further on, but so far this guy I was talking to yesterday who knows quite a bit about macross told me it might be something like the "force" in star wars (which could be a possibility) and i think theres also speculation thta this could be linked to some stuff from frontier (dont quote me on this tho). I guess we'll just have to see....

Sorry for spoiling a little, actually the words dyson used were literally this, but translated from the italian dub, in have never seen plus with English dub or sub.

Dont want to spoil and ruin your fun, so we will see in future.
Actually this second episode was pretty cool, to me still seem a bit out of piace compared to the past macross but this does not mean it was bad
My only remark is hayate complaining about the 4 vf who did not take off in perfect syncro, like a professional dancer...
They were in emergency, people was dying under bombs, and you wait the others to coordinate a cool looking take off?
In the '70 a super robot launch and transformation were like that, but it was 40 years ago...

Yeah, I think its off to a decent start, and for some reason I really enjoy how cocky Hayate is, because what he says is actually true for the most part, and he's a bit different from ur typical shonen goody 2 shoes mc hehehe. And yeah, he was a bit of a prick for commenting on the takeoff, but then again, i think he said it more as criticism to their lack of coordination (which is important in war and for strategy purposes)

If anything, what sorta irks me is the fact that at times it feels like civilians just sorta forget theyre in danger just because the walkure/vfs have arrived.... they just stop running and stare at the sky, like wtf, if it were me id just gtfo

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ZeroG said:

this catch the wind is taken from isamu dyson, the main character of macross plus
in his teens hand made gliders to "catch the wind" with his friends and fly like a giant bird that lived on his planet
he used to move his hand like hayate while looking at the clouds, dreaming it was his plane
and by "following the wind" he won a very difficult fight with his plane

macross plus was pretty more serious than delta, if you dont count an event that i personally find not realistic at all about music...
dont want to start an hard discussion again, lets just say that between one macross and another, sometimes you have bigger difference than in many gudnam series
only that macross have only one timeline, while many gundam series are totally stand alone worlds

ok im not sure i got all that , but it really doesnt matter cuz i dont want to be spoilt for macross plus :P However, hayate had no gliders or anything of the sort.... I imagine this will be explained further on, but so far this guy I was talking to yesterday who knows quite a bit about macross told me it might be something like the "force" in star wars (which could be a possibility) and i think theres also speculation thta this could be linked to some stuff from frontier (dont quote me on this tho). I guess we'll just have to see....

Its best to just not pay attention to ZeroG. He is one of what someone aptly called genwunners who seems to frequent Delta's threads only to cry about how "different" from original SDF this is(hint: no it is not that different). He will pretty much reply to any post where he sees a chance to use the whole good ol "the originals were way better and more srs" argument that multiple people already debunked for him in EP1 thread.

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ok im not sure i got all that , but it really doesnt matter cuz i dont want to be spoilt for macross plus :P However, hayate had no gliders or anything of the sort.... I imagine this will be explained further on, but so far this guy I was talking to yesterday who knows quite a bit about macross told me it might be something like the "force" in star wars (which could be a possibility) and i think theres also speculation thta this could be linked to some stuff from frontier (dont quote me on this tho). I guess we'll just have to see....

Its best to just not pay attention to ZeroG. He is one of what someone aptly called genwunners who seems to frequent Delta's threads only to cry about how "different" from original SDF this is(hint: no it is not that different). He will pretty much reply to any post where he sees a chance to use the whole good ol "the originals were way better and more srs" argument that multiple people already debunked for him in EP1 thread.

haha thanks for telling me, but its not like he was full on criticizing this time around xD. Tbh i understand people that are like that, i've been meaning to start the other macross series' before, and I have to admit I was really on the fence when I heard that this one was gonna have a much bigger music theme than others... I ended up trying it cuz of a recommendation, and considering I normally hate idol stuff, im surpirised at how ok i am with this one :D

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It's been a while since I heard the "deculture" term. I'm already starting to ship the MC with the elf pilot girl. I love to see heroines who start off hating the MC and end up warming up to him at the end. Not to mention Freyja is too childish for my liking.

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haha thanks for telling me, but its not like he was full on criticizing this time around xD. Tbh i understand people that are like that, i've been meaning to start the other macross series' before, and I have to admit I was really on the fence when I heard that this one was gonna have a much bigger music theme than others... I ended up trying it cuz of a recommendation, and considering I normally hate idol stuff, im surpirised at how ok i am with this one :D

actually i had a very harsh discussion with fai and other 2 people in ep1 thread
Debunk this takes a long time, but allow me to report facts that cant be denied:
When i said that i disagree with them, i had to report the answers cause people who supported fai point of view started to insult me pretty harshly
So part of that "debunking" was removed from the thread and a moderator warned to not insult again.
Many times i said, ok you have your opinion, i have mine, have fun and good bye
But i kept being named in following answers..
One of this answers from fai literally said:
There are only one or two elitists who said this is not macross like
And my debunking to fai was: you should know better than me that we are not 1 or 2, you argued with every single one since january ^_^

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I really liked it, and was super surprised at first at the whole Why is there an attack and yet the delta squad aren't mobilizing... Wat? And then when it was revealed to be an act, I felt relieved, as I was suuuper glad we wouldn't end up with a training episode for our male MC here and then have him fly in to save the girl whom failed her audition only to have her then join... which would've been a bit.. silly to put it mildly!

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If anything, what sorta irks me is the fact that at times it feels like civilians just sorta forget theyre in danger just because the walkure/vfs have arrived.... they just stop running and stare at the sky, like wtf, if it were me id just gtfo

Well at that moment neither the soldiers nor civilians knew about the actual attack coming in. For all of them that was nothing more than a virus breaking out. So the moment the idols began singing they were convinced it was over. After all the whole point of that group is that their songs supposedly stop the virus. So your average citizen would not think twice about it being over.

Episode 2 even lampshades and calls it out that majority of population, including those wishing to join the group, does not even realize how dangerous Walküre group's job is. Mirage also calls Hayate and people in general out on it.

So its less of people not giving a damn and more of propaganda surrounding Walküre unit doing its job.

One could also speculate that maybe their music has additional pacifying properties considering how it affects the var syndrome infected and that the said virus manifests in rage outbursts. Not enough info to know for now, but I would not be surprised with that. It would certainly be able to affect the alien parts of population since that is a confirmed fact in macross franchise.

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haha thanks for telling me, but its not like he was full on criticizing this time around xD. Tbh i understand people that are like that, i've been meaning to start the other macross series' before, and I have to admit I was really on the fence when I heard that this one was gonna have a much bigger music theme than others... I ended up trying it cuz of a recommendation, and considering I normally hate idol stuff, im surpirised at how ok i am with this one :D

While this has idol groups, the music focus so far is not that different from previous one(Frontier). Macross has always been very music heavy since it's inception, reflecting popular music of the time, as well as dealing with themes relevant to the world at the time.

Apr 13, 2016 10:42 AM

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alvenzo95 said:
haha thanks for telling me, but its not like he was full on criticizing this time around xD. Tbh i understand people that are like that, i've been meaning to start the other macross series' before, and I have to admit I was really on the fence when I heard that this one was gonna have a much bigger music theme than others... I ended up trying it cuz of a recommendation, and considering I normally hate idol stuff, im surpirised at how ok i am with this one :D

actually i had a very harsh discussion with fai and other 2 people in ep1 thread
Debunk this takes a long time, but allow me to report facts that cant be denied:
When i said that i disagree with them, i had to report the answers cause people who supported fai point of view started to insult me pretty harshly
So part of that "debunking" was removed from the thread and a moderator warned to not insult again.
Many times i said, ok you have your opinion, i have mine, have fun and good bye
But i kept being named in following answers..
One of this answers from fai literally said:
There are only one or two elitists who said this is not macross like
And my debunking to fai was: you should know better than me that we are not 1 or 2, you argued with every single one since january ^_^

ZeroG said:

alvenzo95 said:
haha thanks for telling me, but its not like he was full on criticizing this time around xD. Tbh i understand people that are like that, i've been meaning to start the other macross series' before, and I have to admit I was really on the fence when I heard that this one was gonna have a much bigger music theme than others... I ended up trying it cuz of a recommendation, and considering I normally hate idol stuff, im surpirised at how ok i am with this one :D

actually i had a very harsh discussion with fai and other 2 people in ep1 thread
Debunk this takes a long time, but allow me to report facts that cant be denied:
When i said that i disagree with them, i had to report the answers cause people who supported fai point of view started to insult me pretty harshly
So part of that "debunking" was removed from the thread and a moderator warned to not insult again.
Many times i said, ok you have your opinion, i have mine, have fun and good bye
But i kept being named in following answers..
One of this answers from fai literally said:
There are only one or two elitists who said this is not macross like
And my debunking to fai was: you should know better than me that we are not 1 or 2, you argued with every single one since january ^_^

Well, i have heard from a lot of people that music, love triangles and vfs have always been a part of macross to at least some degree, but not always in the same proportion to each other. For example, I have heard that macross 7 focuses much more on the music aspects than sdf. And unfortunately, however much somebody likes or hates macross 7 (just to give an example) it can't be argued that its a part of the series...

That being said, its understandable that not everyone has the same tastes and some (including yourself i guess, but defo not just one or 2 people) find that giving too much importance to the music aspect to the point where its used to fight makes for a worse story overall, and therefore hope when going into a new installment of the franchise that music doesn't play that big a role. Thats perfectly normal.

I just don't see why such a big fuss should be made overall (im not accusing u of anything, just saying thats how I believe people should think in general). Series change with time, and they will not always cater to the same types of people, but thats fine. My advice to you i guess is if you like delta, just keep watching and dont give a crap about what others say. And if you dont, thats fine too, just realise that not all macross future series are gonna be like sdf, and watch the ones you like, dont feel forced to watch something u dont like. I dont really believe in elitism when it comes to anything, just people with different analytical perceptions of what they watch, different tolerance levels and tastes. The only elitist are the ocasional assholes you find on the internet that preach about what should or shouldn't be watched. Also, if you want to get into an objective discussion of whats better or worse, thats fine too, but overall everyone should watch something not because its objectively good or bad, but because they enjoy it.

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Apr 13, 2016 10:52 AM

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@alvenzo95 thank you very much, i do agree with you again
Hope you will have fun in watching macross delta and other series of the franchise
I would like to talk more about macross with you, but i would probably spoil, so nevermind
If i could suggest, to have a better understanding of delta, you could see the macross movie of the '80
Is a retelling of the tv show with some changes, but uses only original animation (no edit/cut from tv ep)
And will help you to understand the very background of delta that you could miss right now

Apr 13, 2016 10:53 AM

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Fai said:

While this has idol groups, the music focus so far is not that different from previous one(Frontier). Macross has always been very music heavy since it's inception, reflecting popular music of the time, as well as dealing with themes relevant to the world at the time.

I know and thats totally fine by me. Its just i've never liked the whole idol culture and all, its just not my thing, but the main theme is catchy as hell, so everything better from the get go, i suppose, and I like the story enough so far and its got me interested. The only issue I have is that because of the style of music, it feels a little too happy go lucky for war (even if part of the point is that the power of music trumps everything sorta), but i understand its done on purpose and its really hard to give a super tense/dark atmosphere while playing idol music, so I don't let that affect my opinion of the series that much, if you know what i mean

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alvenzo95 said:
Thanks :) Only thing is, will that not spoil stuff from sdf? (Ive got very high expectations for that one, and it would be a shame to go into it knowing some or all of the main plot points :/

It would spoil, if you plan to watch sdf tv then watch it.
I suggested the movie cause it was quick
A last thing, following macross series are in general continuity with the story of tv show, but many facts and elements are taken from the movie
And some other small changes that you can see in delta were not present in sdf tv or movie but were introduced by macross 7

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ZeroG said:
@alvenzo95 thank you very much, i do agree with you again
Hope you will have fun in watching macross delta and other series of the franchise
I would like to talk more about macross with you, but i would probably spoil, so nevermind
If i could suggest, to have a better understanding of delta, you could see the macross movie of the '80
Is a retelling of the tv show with some changes, but uses only original animation (no edit/cut from tv ep)
And will help you to understand the very background of delta that you could miss right now

Thanks :) Only thing is, will that not spoil stuff from sdf? (Ive got very high expectations for that one, and it would be a shame to go into it knowing some or all of the main plot points :/

Its better to watch both.

the movie is actually an in-universe movie retelling of SDF events. Watching SDF first certainly enhances it since the movie is "less canon"(since instead of being of what happened, as I said, its more of people in macross universe years latter creating a movie about events that happened)

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Looks like I am the only one being sad that Mikumo has no chance in the romance... What a shame for me she was the best girl.

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Apr 13, 2016 1:53 PM

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ZeroG said:

alvenzo95 said:
Thanks :) Only thing is, will that not spoil stuff from sdf? (Ive got very high expectations for that one, and it would be a shame to go into it knowing some or all of the main plot points :/

It would spoil, if you plan to watch sdf tv then watch it.
I suggested the movie cause it was quick
A last thing, following macross series are in general continuity with the story of tv show, but many facts and elements are taken from the movie
And some other small changes that you can see in delta were not present in sdf tv or movie but were introduced by macross 7

I'll probs watch both when i get the time (im too busy atm, maybe in summer :P)

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Seiya0890 said:
Looks like I am the only one being sad that Mikumo has no chance in the romance... What a shame for me she was the best girl.

Dude

We don't even know if any of them really are girls at all

You seen that hologram shit at work

I dunno man but when "she" whips out her dick and smacks you across the face with it don't say I didn't warn ya

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Seiya0890 said:
Looks like I am the only one being sad that Mikumo has no chance in the romance... What a shame for me she was the best girl.

I was thinking the same thing lol. I hope one of the main girls grows on me because I don't like either of them yet

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EP1 was a real let down, compared to legendary Macross lineage of episodes, however EP2 seems to have some hope to live up to expectations.

...wish they'll cut out a lot of that cutesy stuff that is spilling all over the edge, that is so not Macross like, and the multi-sigers thing kind of kills the original mood of Macross for protoculture and warp resonance stuff

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