Kill la Kill Episode 16 Discussion

bleachfan420 said:
Dat bath scene was hot.

BakaAniki said:
The remixes were released shorty after the OST
KILL la KILL Vol.1 Bonus CD Vocal Rearrange & Remix CD

Kjeldoran said:
Sawano Hiroyuki needs to send Cyua the memo to fix her lousy German, or maybe switch back to singing in Japanese.

Pipoko said:
eurgh there are people who found that scene hot. That's creepy. Especially since Satsuki clearly looked like she was in pain and uncomfortable. That wasn't played for fanservice or fun at all. It was uncomfortable and creepy, reinforcing the idea of oppression through these clothes - Ragyo is making sure her daughter remains under her "control" in the most disgusting way possible. Makes for a really effective villain, though.

As for all the actual fanservice and why that scene can't be actually considered fanservice - Firstly, the "fun" fanservice is balanced out by an equal amount of manservice. Secondly, nakedness is actually tied into the plot and themes of the series. Despite the surface there is a theme going on here and there's purpose to it. That's very separate from empty fanservice series and the reason why that scene wasn't just there to be creepy, uncomfortable fetish fuel.

sentience said:
Oh my that 1-2 minute speed recap was so awesome on so many levels.

Nonon_Jakuzure said:
I actually found the episode boring and this is coming from a Kill La Kill fan! I hope episode 17 is better!

Doctordrer said:


Indeed.

its the only one episode i stoped in the middle to watch it another time.

Still Good 4/5

helghastkillzone said:


Really? After Trigger giving us 15 episodes on afterburners, it's nice and necessary to give us one that provides some answers to all the insanity.

animeoppai said:
I felt immensely bad for Satsuki. That entire was scene was uncomfortable and gross however I do think they pandered it to make it fanservice-y.

AnimageNeby said:


Though I agree with your last conclusion, I disagree with your first part. That bath scene was pretty hot, however you look at it (at least, for a man, and no doubt for some woman as well). Much depends on how you interpret the context however; you can see it as subjugation of Satsuki to Ragyo (and thus, dominance of the latter), but you can also see it as her mother helping out her daughter by opening her chakra's so she can better withstand the the suit (this was the in-story explanation).

Same goes for the interpretation of she being in pain and all that. Well, she was already in pain before, due to her suit taking a toll. I didn't see any signs of her being in pain from what her mother did, rather, to be honest, it seemed she came and had an orgasm (the blushing, the wriggling, the 'drop' at the end which fade-in to her head laying in the water all indicated that). One could as well say instead of feeling pain, she felt pleasure too, thus. Maybe both.

Of course, it still remains a bit creepy when you consider the context of mother-daughter, making it incestuous, which, in real life is frown upon (well, actually forbidden in most countries I think). But that's a meta interpretation coming from the viewer with real-life morals of the current age we live in (in ancient Greece, Egypt, Roman times, it wasn't all that weird that the 'top' of societal hierarchy married his own brother/sister, for instance). Morals change, however, and we're talking about a 'universe' created by a mangaka or in this case anime studio here; why would our ethics and mores be valid there? And even IF we take those mores as a given to be applied to that world, it still needs that incest-context to be found disturbing. On itself, though, you see two beautiful naked women, where on fondles the other into an orgasm. That is hot, period. It's well done yuri.

Imagine it like this: if next week Satsuki said she's fine with, and there would be a subplot revealing they are not actually mother-daughter, what complaints would you still have? Then suddenly there would be no reasons not to find it 'not hot' anymore. This shows the relative uselessness of applying real life mores on an anime or fictional world, because there is no 'real' context there, only one provided by the creators, which isn't fixed nor real.

So yeah, if you interpret it in the context of incest and her mother trying to dominate her, you may find it disturbing. If you interpret it differently, or look at it without using a particular context, the scene itself can not else be described as pretty damn hot, however. Most interpret it with both, which is why you you see many commenting on that scene with "weird/disturbing, but hot". I don't think this can be denied. Imagine you show only that scene to someone (preferably a male) who doesn't know squad about kill la kill or the (incest) context; I doubt they would find it anything but hot.

AnimageNeby said:


Though I agree with your last conclusion, I disagree with your first part. That bath scene was pretty hot, however you look at it (at least, for a man, and no doubt for some woman as well). Much depends on how you interpret the context however; you can see it as subjugation of Satsuki to Ragyo (and thus, dominance of the latter), but you can also see it as her mother helping out her daughter by opening her chakra's so she can better withstand the the suit (this was the in-story explanation).

Same goes for the interpretation of she being in pain and all that. Well, she was already in pain before, due to her suit taking a toll. I didn't see any signs of her being in pain from what her mother did, rather, to be honest, it seemed she came and had an orgasm (the blushing, the wriggling, the 'drop' at the end which fade-in to her head laying in the water all indicated that). One could as well say instead of feeling pain, she felt pleasure too, thus. Maybe both.

Of course, it still remains a bit creepy when you consider the context of mother-daughter, making it incestuous, which, in real life is frown upon (well, actually forbidden in most countries I think). But that's a meta interpretation coming from the viewer with real-life morals of the current age we live in (in ancient Greece, Egypt, Roman times, it wasn't all that weird that the 'top' of societal hierarchy married his own brother/sister, for instance). Morals change, however, and we're talking about a 'universe' created by a mangaka or in this case anime studio here; why would our ethics and mores be valid there? And even IF we take those mores as a given to be applied to that world, it still needs that incest-context to be found disturbing. On itself, though, you see two beautiful naked women, where on fondles the other into an orgasm. That is hot, period. It's well done yuri.

Imagine it like this: if next week Satsuki said she's fine with, and there would be a subplot revealing they are not actually mother-daughter, what complaints would you still have? Then suddenly there would be no reasons not to find it 'not hot' anymore. This shows the relative uselessness of applying real life mores on an anime or fictional world, because there is no 'real' context there, only one provided by the creators, which isn't fixed nor real.

So yeah, if you interpret it in the context of incest and her mother trying to dominate her, you may find it disturbing. If you interpret it differently, or look at it without using a particular context, the scene itself can not else be described as pretty damn hot, however. Most interpret it with both, which is why you you see many commenting on that scene with "weird/disturbing, but hot". I don't think this can be denied. Imagine you show only that scene to someone (preferably a male) who doesn't know squad about kill la kill or the (incest) context; I doubt they would find it anything but hot.