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heiqi1hu said: I think Setsuna uses her scheming skills too much. Ah, if I don't see touma getting anything, gonna drop this. Touma won't get anything if she keeps running from her feelings. And seriously, too much negative light on Setsuna when Touma is just as guilty in her own way, which is hiding her feelings. |
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| Man, if only every serious romance series can actually do characterization this well... Well, another well-executed episode. To be honest, even in a soon-to-come trainwreck situation like this, I find it hard to place the blame on anyone. And I suppose that's why I like this series -- it doesn't just try to be black and white but rather attempts to capture the realism and the complexity of human relationships. Kazusa at this point is obviously trying to avoid the couple as far as possible, knowing that she is hopelessly in love with Haruki and cannot keep her feelings contained. Setsuna realizes that Kazusa and Kitahara actually have feelings for one another, but still wants to hold onto Kazusa because she genuinely loves her as a friend. This dinner party, where it would be just her and Kitahara if Kazusa declines to show, can be seen as almost an ultimatum. Chances are she would've sealed her relationship with Kitahara if Kitahara just went to her house. But Kitahara doesn't, and decides to go to Kazusa's instead. Whether he's doing it for Setsuna (out of her desire to have them three together) or for himself is up to debate, but this marks a serious divergence from the Setsuna route. If anyone would be to blame, it'd be him for getting together with Setsuna and setting everyone up for a potentially tragic outcome, but at least he's coming to terms with his feelings and more or less acting on it. In that sense, it's hard to even blame him. And next episode might be where the relationship among those three starts to implode... |
Hi3i said: kaimax said: This is only the Anime for the first part Sewnshut said: Touma is no better she just runs away from everything instead of facing her feelings. LittleStar said: One of the reason that made me like "Setsuna's true ending" more than Touma's. I'll just stop here...why she don't just tell them how she feel or at last one of them, instead act like this?. White Album 2 ~introductory chapter~ : http://vndb.org/v2920 The real story begins with the 2 part; The closing chapter : http://vndb.org/v7771 So dont give up, there is still hope for Kazusa x Kitahara ;) I already played the PC and own the Ps3 version. >_> zannet_t said: but this marks a serious divergence from the Setsuna route. If anyone would be to blame, it'd be him for getting together with Setsuna and setting everyone up for a potentially tragic outcome, but at least he's coming to terms with his feelings and more or less acting on it. In that sense, it's hard to even blame him. And next episode might be where the relationship among those three starts to implode... -There are no routes in this season (Introductory Chapter in the VN is linear) -And everyone (Haruki/Setsuna/Kazusa) are equally guilty in this triangle. |
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heiqi1hu said: I wouldn't even say Setsuna is scheming. Kazusa is partly at fault for basically not ever being honest with her feelings. She had many chances to confess too, but simply chose not to. What was Setsuna supposed to do, wait forever until Kazusa confesses to Kitahara? Now that Setsuna is with Kitahara, she can't just let Kitahara drift away either -- she actually loves Kitahara after all -- so this "scheme" is more like a question posed to Kazusa. If Kazusa continues to reject their company, she will lose Kitahara. It's that simple. To be honest, not that I'm for Setsuna, but she's already being far more tolerant than most people would in real life. Can't blame her for trying for her own love, right?I think Setsuna uses her scheming skills too much. Ah, if I don't see touma getting anything, gonna drop this. kaimax said: That's my mistake for not being clear. What I meant by "the Setsuna route" is that if the intended ending here is for Kitahara to be with Setsuna, then he'd probably have just gone to her house. I don't claim to have any knowledge of VN contents so you'd probably know better.zannet_t said: but this marks a serious divergence from the Setsuna route. If anyone would be to blame, it'd be him for getting together with Setsuna and setting everyone up for a potentially tragic outcome, but at least he's coming to terms with his feelings and more or less acting on it. In that sense, it's hard to even blame him. And next episode might be where the relationship among those three starts to implode... -There are no routes in this season (Introductory Chapter in the VN is linear) -And everyone (Haruki/Setsuna/Kazusa) are equally guilty in this triangle. As to "equally guilty," sure. I would prefer to say they're all equally guiltless, but that's more difference in framing than difference in opinion. |
| Man, I still support Kazusa's winning but even I'd be mad at Haruki if he skipped Setsuna's party. That's cold. |
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| this show just keeps geting better |
| really guys? who in their right mind will go up to their best friend and say, 'oh you know that girl you're dating, well... i like her too. so, yeah... i'm just going to make it awkward between us. dont worry, we can compete with each other just like in anime.' HAHAHA NO.. im pretty sure the sucking it up and avoiding conflict is the more plausible route. and if seeing them together disgusts/bothers you, you get up and leave before you destroy your relationship with your best friend and make a huge scene about it. this sounds more legit if you ask me. |
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kaimax said: hyperknees91 said: And from this point forward, Haruki shows he's the most eternal lame protagonist in visual novel history. Nope it's still Makoto Ito and Takayuki Narumi. eminagnam said: I had rooted for Kazusa x Haruki before, but now I changed my mind. He is too dumb for her. For once can people actually blame the females for being too indirect with the male protagonist? QFT. Zeser said: this show just keeps geting better If anything - its getting worse and worse. So far the supports were saving the show for me and the 3 mains weren't that bad, but the last 2 episodes this really went downhill. All 3 mains have become so cliché, its sad... |
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| That moment when Touma memorized Haruki's face. Right in the feels. I got my money on Haruki going after Touma and not attending Setsuna's party. Dammit, Touma! Just confess already and let the train wreck begin! Lol. |
| Fantastic episode. Loved the make out scene. The drama is so good. |
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| I dont want things to end badly with Setsuna, she's such a great girl. What I don't like about Touma is that, she just pretends to ignore her true feelings and play along with Setsuna. Heck, if you aren't okay, say so. But i got a feeling that she's gonna explode the next time she sees Haruki :/ |
| plot twist: it will be Setsuna x Touma end |
 someone else always have what you want, but it usually means nothing to them... |
| I wanted a Haruki x Touma ending, but now, I don't want her to end up with an indecisive guy like him. Dang, he chose Setsuna already so just prioritize her. If he partly likes Touma even before Setsuna confessed to him and all the while he's dating and making out with Setsuna, he's the BIGGEST DOUCHE ever! He should've waited before giving Setsuna an answer!! And Setsuna, knowing that Touma has feelings for Haruki yet plotted to steal him before Touma could even do anything, what kind of friendship is that? I thought Setsuna would be kind enough to compete on equal grounds and not be a sly, conniving b**ch. Although it's partly Touma's fault for bottling her feelings up. She couldn't do anything coz Setsuna acted before Touma could get her feeling straight... But now, she seriously has to bottle it up since Haruki and Setsuna are dating. She wouldn't want to be a home wrecker. Touma is the best character in this show by a mile!!! MARTYR!! lol |
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5chan said: Good episode. I'm ready for the trainwreck finale on the upcoming episodes. Finale as in, the end of the "Introductory chapter" which is just 10 hours of the original VN. edwd2 said: I can see why WA2 is highly overrated How can you say it's overrated when you're only seeing 20% of the whole story? Just to be fair, there are people who likes WA2, but says that IC was their least favorite part. ------------------------------------------------------------------- As always blame the male, where it was all Touma's fault for "hiding her feelings" Causing Haruki to misunderstood her and accepting Setsuna's direct feelings. |
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| What what what! |
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| Hmm as Winter came, Setsuna, Touma and Haruki enjoyed happy memories, but as Spring came Haruki and Setsuna are beginning to see those happy times to melt with the coming of a new season. Touma pretty much got distracted by Haruki's actions at the recital. I like Setsuna more than Touma, but Touma needs a good ending. The drama is coming in small events which is good because it makes things more easier to handle. Setsuna pretty much knows what's going to happen with Haruki. She could have said yes to the restaurant idea, but she knows his true feelings are for Touma. Sad to realize it, but it's a harsh truth and I feel bad for Setsuna. She's making a nice dinner, Touma leaves in an airplene to Narita, and I assume Haruki was told where Touma will go. |
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jbeat said: I wanted a Haruki x Touma ending, but now, I don't want her to end up with an indecisive guy like him. Dang, he chose Setsuna already so just prioritize her. If he partly likes Touma even before Setsuna confessed to him and all the while he's dating and making out with Setsuna, he's the BIGGEST DOUCHE ever! He should've waited before giving Setsuna an answer!! And Setsuna, knowing that Touma has feelings for Haruki yet plotted to steal him before Touma could even do anything, what kind of friendship is that? I thought Setsuna would be kind enough to compete on equal grounds and not be a sly, conniving b**ch. Although it's partly Touma's fault for bottling her feelings up. She couldn't do anything coz Setsuna acted before Touma could get her feeling straight... But now, she seriously has to bottle it up since Haruki and Setsuna are dating. She wouldn't want to be a home wrecker. Touma is the best character in this show by a mile!!! MARTYR!! lol Lawl yeah no. Setsuna didn't do anything wrong, Touma had plentyyy of chances to ask him out beforehand and she did nothing and was completely indirect with him. So if anything she was making it pretty clear to Setsuna that it was ok to make a move on him. The only thing you can blame Setsuna for thus far, is her childish belief of keeping the three of them together. But at the moment, most of the problems lie with Touma for being immature. |
| Haruki keeps digging himself into a deeper and deeper hole because he kept going along with the flow with Setsuna. He realizes that he has lingering feelings with Touma, and wants to confirm it by arranging a dinner for 2 with Setsuna but Setsuna insists on having all 3 of them together, which hurts Touma because Haruki and Setsuna is acting all lovey-dovey. All 3 of them are at fault: Touma for holding back because of her friendship with Setsuna Setsuna for trying to force her vision of the 3 of them being together and not understanding the other characters Haruki for going along with the flow despite still loving Touma Its brilliant to see how the anime portrays all 3 characters and what they truly want. Setsuna is the one who will be hurt in the end... |
| its was rather impossible to keep a good relation with 2 girs one boys when both love this guys, Shinseiryuu said: All 3 of them are at fault: Touma for holding back because of her friendship with Setsuna Setsuna for trying to force her vision of the 3 of them being together and not understanding the other characters Haruki for going along with the flow despite still loving Touma Its brilliant to see how the anime portrays all 3 characters and what they truly want. Setsuna is the one who will be hurt in the end... yeah kind agree at this, touma is hidding lot these feeling for haruki as well, it dont help, kind really excited for the next episode |
| That was so intense. I feel the drama flowing in. That was so painful for Touma. Seeing them being lovey-dovey all the time while she was performing. That must've been a painful distraction knowing that she also have that feeling over Haruki. Btw, I enjoyed this episode so much. Can't really wait for the shitstorm to come. I sense some NTR, NTR, NTR INCOMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. I'm starting to feel some trainwreck for Setsuna now. It's really coming. I can feel it. Haruki will probably come and chase after Touma. I can't really decide on who's better. Both are on par with each other, Setsuna and Kasuza. This is actually the first time i'm rooting for both of them. Both are lovable characters. I'm also just wondering why some are complaining despite the roughly smooth directing and pacing of the series. I'm really sad that these people are still complaining. |
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Shinseiryuu said: Setsuna for trying to force her vision of the 3 of them being together and not understanding the other characters Are you sure about that? |
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pizza_012 said: I'm also just wondering why some are complaining despite the roughly smooth directing and pacing of the series. I'm really sad that these people are still complaining. Let's just say that not everyone really seem to understand Haruki's dilemma right now. They think it's as simple as 'Haruki doesn't really like Setsuna at all and is using her while he actually loves Touma.' Since this anime is also very subtle, I'm not surprised that not everyone can catch up on the little details being shown in this anime. They always just go gung-ho on the 'Oh, this is soooo very very much cliche!!1!' because they don't know what details they missed which actually backs every major moment up to actually be plausible. |
pizza_012 said: I'm also just wondering why some are complaining despite the roughly smooth directing and pacing of the series. I'm really sad that these people are still complaining. Huh? I believe the complaints are about Haruki's indecisiveness. |
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Beaver897 said: Let's just say that not everyone really seem to understand Haruki's dilemma right now. They think it's as simple as 'Haruki doesn't really like Setsuna at all and is using her while he actually loves Touma.' Since this anime is also very subtle, I'm not surprised that not everyone can catch up on the little details being shown in this anime. They always just go gung-ho on the 'Oh, this is soooo very very much cliche!!1!' because they don't know what details they missed which actually backs every major moment up to actually be plausible. ^this people saying things that WA2 is cliche gives good drama a bad name :,> sure there are certain tropes and cliche feels but only a few animes can stir people with "real" feels and yeah "I have seen this. I have done (something similar to) this. You don't want this." |
ltspfan said: plot twist: it will be Setsuna x Touma end All my greatest effs are towards you. jk |
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| The expected and long awaited drama is coming up now. It was pretty obvious that he would go to touma instead of setsuna. I think that Haruki doesn't know what he wants and that Setsuna is living in a dreamworld where the 3 of them always will be together. Touma knows what she wants but she also knows that she can't have it without hurting her best friend. Touma got the worst dilemma but is the only one that realizes it and came to a decision. |
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Beaver897 said: pizza_012 said: I'm also just wondering why some are complaining despite the roughly smooth directing and pacing of the series. I'm really sad that these people are still complaining. Let's just say that not everyone really seem to understand Haruki's dilemma right now. They think it's as simple as 'Haruki doesn't really like Setsuna at all and is using her while he actually loves Touma.' Since this anime is also very subtle, I'm not surprised that not everyone can catch up on the little details being shown in this anime. They always just go gung-ho on the 'Oh, this is soooo very very much cliche!!1!' because they don't know what details they missed which actually backs every major moment up to actually be plausible. Well that's basically exactly what he's doing. I'm not sure why you think it's any other way. |
| Haruki is such an indecisive guy that is starting to annoying me! If he still hasn´t move on from his feelings for Kazusa he shouldn´t have started dating Setsuna (who is a sweetheart btw). Its unfair to both girls how he is always giving mixing sinals. Well lets get ready for more drama!!! |
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| Damn.. I hate waiting weekly for this show. This episode was filled with drama. |
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| it's pretty selfish of Kitahara to use Setsuna's birthday to decide if she's the one for him. He couldn't decide that on any of their dates? It had to be a day that was special to her? I'm still hoping for Kazusa/Setsuna |
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| Remember guys, if you doubt your feelings for a girl chances are you do not love her. |
KaitonPT said: Its unfair to both girls how he is always giving mixing sinals. Actually It's both Kazusa and Haruki who keeps sending signals to each other. It's not like he's indecisive because he wants to be indecisive, He answered yes to Setsuna's direct confession because he thinks Touma "rejected" him and Like a candle Haruki's love for Touma doesn't disappear immediately, but learning that Touma "has feelings" made him indecisive, and Touma not making clear what her true feelings is just fuels it more. K_board said: Oh, c'mon. It's not all her fault. Yeas, as I said earlier everyone is equally guilty. Well said by this guy Shinseiryuu said: All 3 of them are at fault: Touma for holding back because of her friendship with Setsuna Setsuna for trying to force her vision of the 3 of them being together Haruki for going along with the flow despite still loving Touma Its brilliant to see how the anime portrays all 3 characters and what they truly want. Setsuna is the one who will be hurt in the end... |
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swn32 said: I wouldn't hold Touma equally responsible as the other two. Touma is known to be socially inept, it's her character trait. Actively confessing to Haruki isnt easy for her. She's still guilty, don't need to downplay it. And she's not as socially inept as you think. |
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kaimax said: hyperknees91 said: And from this point forward, Haruki shows he's the most eternal lame protagonist in visual novel history. Nope it's still Makoto Ito and Takayuki Narumi. eminagnam said: I had rooted for Kazusa x Haruki before, but now I changed my mind. He is too dumb for her. For once can people actually blame the females for being too indirect with the male protagonist? Thank you. Im glad someone understands. Being indecisive doesnt make haruki a lame or dumb protagonist. It makes him human. |
| This episode was fuckin nuts. Im about to watch it again. The foreshadowing in this series is awesome. I cant even imagine how sick the vn is. I think it's so romantic how haruki and touma are mirroring each other in place of their absence in each others lives. Haruki is drinking the super sweet coffee even though its gross and the next shot we see touma eating the healthy food he left her. also when haruki catches touma staring at him and answers "what?!" references the same reaction from touma when she caught him staring the first time they were at setsunas pad. Theyre pretty much perfect for each other :') |
Thank you. Im glad someone understands. Being indecisive doesnt make haruki a lame or dumb protagonist. It makes him human. Haruki being indecisive is not the reason I call him one of the lamest protagonist's. It's just the start of the reason (though of course I won't spoil). Actually this is one of the times when I can somewhat sympathize with the guy. I can tolerate characters acting human (as I'm one of the people who like Shinji Ikari as a protagonist), but Haruki like Makoto and Takayuki, takes things wayyyyy too far in the negativity department. I didn't say she wasn't. I only said that she is not as guilty as the other two. One of whom has a delusional plan and the other who falls for it. She's handling this in a pretty immature fashion regardless so she's certainly not helping the situation. |
| anyone getting school days feeling from this? i just hope he doesnt sleep with touma and then gets killed :/ |
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