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scruffykiwi said: Defeat said: So many thoughts going through Ledo's head in this episode. Can't wait for next week's episode. Really getting interesting now. I'm not so sure that Kugel is alive. It's true that his chamber is there but it seems like a cargo cult has developed around it. IMHO there are 2 possible scenarios 1. Kugel is alive. He orders Ledo to follow him and Ledo refuses. Ledo then is declared a traitor by Kugel and end boss then becomes Kugel and his chamber PLUS Ledo's chamber. I don't think that that that cannon being pulled up is some accident. 2. Kugel is dead and his chamber is making autonomous decisions. Not quite so sure what would happen here. Would Ledo become commander of both? Actually liking he idea of choice 2 as it leads to the whole "AIs are actual masters of Alliance" theory. It would be very interesting twist to all of this. |
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ScipioXII said: Fai said: ScipioXII said: Fai said: Antanaru said: Spirai said: Far from it. Maybe it would be true if he truly was fighting his own species (which in itself is not really that unusual). The point is, Hideauze are not human. They have human ancestors who decided to turn themselves in this kind of monstrosities but nothing more. He's not fighting fellow humans but different and hostile species. At this point it doesn't really matter if they are man-made or not."Hippie bullshit"? Ledo just had a melt-down because he doesn't understand why he's fighting his own species just because the two disagree how humans should live and some idiotic shallow 'restoring our dignity' that Chamber preached. If anyone was the moronic one, it's whatever's been programmed into Chamber. Fai said: They are not humans for God's sake. Yes, how dare he having a breakdown after finding out that his whole life he has been massacring humans~ You DO realize that you are calling the monsters for simply being different? You DO realize just how disgusting such arguments are, right? Considering 99% of homophobes and racists use them in our world. Please refrain form that. Your reasoning is stupid and silly. They are not just "different". They've thrown away their humanity, they've altered their DNA and they are no longer a species called human. This is entirely irrelevant to homopohbes and racists, and the separation of these species in this show are undeniably clear. It was the Hideauze who wanted to hi-jack the worm hole and spread across the galaxy. The Hideauze currently are nothing more than barbaric organism who operate out instinct. Just as they killed Pinion brother simply for being in an area of their nest. They're not humans. Just as we don't consider life we may have come from as equals to us. They should be eradicated, period. Hypocrisy continues. Who are you to DEFINE what it means to be human? Just like homophobes and racists DO NOT Have that right, neither do you or alliance. Just because someone looks different TO YOU, does not give you the right to blow it up. That's the kind of rotten logic Bush's USA was running on and we all know where it got us. AS for wormhole gate thing - I already explained that in previous thread and won't be going back to it. tl;dr version of it would be that allowing alliance to have a headstard would mean eradication of evolvers. Might want to google Hypocrisy. Your point was invalid the moment you equated it to homophobes and racists. Who are you to deny science and facts? These things aren't human. It's been proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. We know what has occurred, we know their DNA as been mutated and they're predominately these "whale squids" now. This isn't me looking at a black person and making an opinionated statement. These are a different species, and your lack of basic biology proves this. Is a dog a human? Honestly kid. Nice Bush reference, too bad its fallacy is too great as Obama and Clinton were just as bad. Thank Obama for the drone strikes for me when you see him. The alliance held no obligation to allow these mutated creatures who have violated every law society held sacred to come with them. The Hideazu speech of hijacking and universe domination is quite clear. Enjoy being stupid. Oh gods this post smells way too much of "america fuck yea, let's nuke everyone" philosophy some radicals adapt in present times. You DO Realize that there was a time when a bunch of people committed native american genocide basing themselves on "science and facts" of the atrocity that is phrenology, right? Look up scientific racism and stop being uninformed and ignorant. Spirai said: Deleth said: Spirai said: Thank you for explaining what he was saying. I was having a hard time digesting it all since it almost seemed like he was being biased. But either way, I still don't think war is the answer. If they don't battle each other, would one of them actually die out? I mean they have the whole galaxy to live in, I'm pretty sure there's no problem with living space or overpopulation yet. So why not just sign a peace treaty? Are they unable to communicate with the Hideauze? Have they even tried? What's wrong with having two different species of human- one of which has become so diverse that the Alliance (if the Alliance did program it in Chamber, or, depending on what Chamber meant when he said "I'm a crystallization of perfect intelligence and I reached this conclusion on my own", it's possible that the AIs themselves have decided to exterminate the Hideauze) that it's no longer recognized as 'human'? What's wrong with coexistence....Wow, now I sound like Gargantia. Maybe that was the point of this whole anime; coexistence. If the Hideazu would allow the humans to live (something they have been shown to far to not be the case) they would risk the humans actually further technological developing and spreading eventually putting them at risk. If you have two species on the same spot one will usually cease to exist, it's the same on Earth. Currently the European squirrel is being driven to extinction by the American one after the latter has been imported to Europe and got loose. Not by actual conflict but simply by the American squirrel being bigger and more efficient at what it does. Firstly, we do not know if the Hideauze are open to coexistence or not except for perhaps the whalesquid ones on Earth. They did show some signs of aggression and the Gargantian policy of 'leave them alone' was denounced. However, the same cannot be stated about the ones in space. Secondly, those squirrels are not at war. And that is precisely what the Alliance and Hideauze should do. Instead of breaking out into war, just Cold War the case. Adapt, compete to see who does better, refuse to die out, but don't physically start wiping out the other team. ^ exactly. Gargantia actually pretty much embodies that philosophy - their refusal to wipe out the pirates despite them following a VERY different way of life, simply because they are same species and the war would cause far too much pain and casualties to both side is something that could be applied to current conflict in space too. It seems that Galactic Alliance has a lot to learn from their ancestor planet. Did America have any right to nuke Japan after Pearl Harbor? No. THat's a common sense answer to this and its surprising and hilarious that such a common sense is often forgotten by people when it comes to dealing with bigger cultural differences. |
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Deleth said: Secondly, the European squirrel is going exting. It will vanish in a few years driven to extinction by the American one. That's not co-existance, that's not "doing the better thing", it's merely a slow and painful death for the European squirrel, in fact going to way (if they were intelligent enough and would have the means to) would be the only way for them to survive seeing as how they still have far superior numbers. As it's now, the European squirrel will die out, while the American one will add another continent (at least one, if it doesn't expand to Asia afterwards) to it's habitats. The squirrel analogy would work if Humans and Hideauze both need the same ecological niche, but they clearly don't. Hideauze don't consume the same resources as humans and they don't live in the same territory. There is absolutely no reason for conflict between humans and Hideauze on the current earth. |
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Deleth said: Third, Hideazu travel whever they please on Earth. The one that attacked salvage girl and Ledo was way out of their territory. The big swarm of them? It was in a place Gargantia had gone before and that wasn't theirs either. Don't try and justify attacking and murdering people just because they "went into the wrong neighborhoud" please. @Scruffykiwi, wrong. Hideazu are shown to casualy attack humans on Earth, there is little to no reason for the space ones not to do the same. What the Gargantians say has little value seeing how some of them worship the Hideazu as deities. Also Avalon is damaged/partly destroyed and thus has come under attack before, the Evolvers followed the ConUnion through their portal and so on and on and on. Ledo attacked the Hideazu not the other way around. You also seem to be confusde by the idea of territory and ecological niche. When one lifeform involves living on the surface and another under water, and said underwater lifeform does NOT need food from the sea then there is no niche overlap. |
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| Lol, you people are actually taking the guy who talks about racism in the context of GIANT MURDEROUS SPACE SQUIDS seriously? Ever heard of trolls? Welcome to the Internet? On topic, Ledo seems to have some serious PTSP there. As for the next episode, inb4 all the death. |
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Deleth said: linchpin said: There must have been a considerable amount of time before the CU and the Evolvers (who jumped through the wormhole) met again. This is what I believe: It was the Alliance that followed the Evolvers and were launching a suprise attack on their nest (after having built Avalon), because (citation from HorribleSubs): But you must never forget a merciless evil lurks in the depths of this cruel universe. We must end the threat of the Hideauze, who would hinder our journey onward! We must not allow these lower life forms to hold back humanity's race to the future! (...) Ceasing REM Hypnosis Education" This goes against anything we've seen and been told so far, stop making up stuff. In the very first episode we've seen parts of Avalon destroyed and devastated and we're told the conflict is raging on for quite some time already. There doesn't need to be a long time between they met again, as they used the very same portal it is unlikely they ended up far away from one another. 1. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that they both used the wormhole. NOTHING suggests that. 2. Those images were part of the propaganda being fed to soldiers in their sleep. You don't trust propaganda sleep hypnosis to be 100% true. 3. They said: "But you must never forget" - what? The Hideauze are not constantly reminding The Alliance of their existence by attacking them? How could you forget them if you constantly fought? And: the THREAT of Hideauze. Threat is not reality. Deleth said: Apparently, I disagree. The CU would not be stranded on Earth. They've been building a fleet of starships. I think most people believe that the Evolvers succeeded in hijacking the wormhole, jumping and destroying it behind them. The CU then either rebuilt it (well, they couldn't suddenly forget they had the technology, right)? Or they took the long route and went into space on their spaceships. "Apparently, I disagree.", no really? If you wouldn't it would mean you had some kind of common sense instead of load of fanwank that has no basis in the actual story. "I think most people believe..." so, to give your opinion more credbility you're citing MOST people would agree with you, when there is really no proof for that especially on something that makes no sense. I don't remember anyone else who said that both factions used the same wormhole. Deleth said: Let's break down the entire thing: -Gal Alliance and Hideazu have been at war for quite some time. -ConUnion (later Gal Alliance) undertook the massive effort of building the first warpgate, a big one at that with a very far reach, it's unlikely they failed passing through it or could've easily build a second one, then there wouldn't have been any need for the Hideazu to hijack it. -Both sides ended up in close proximity, do you really think that 6500 years at the highest possible speed wouldn't be very, very, very far? Hitting the exact same spot twice is very unlikely especially if they'd have to build a new gate. -As pointed out by chamber, going there the normal way isn't viable. It's taking to damned long. The old ships several hundred or thousands of years ago would've been indefinitely slower and taken even longer. So... how much time do you think has passed since the start of the CU/Evolvers conflict? How long do you think it took for Earth to freeze and then thaw completely? CU had the wormhole technology and a fleet of spaceships. That is an undisputable fact. Deleth said: Spirai said: Firstly, we do not know if the Hideauze are open to coexistence or not except for perhaps the whalesquid ones on Earth. They did show some signs of aggression and the Gargantian policy of 'leave them alone' was denounced. However, the same cannot be stated about the ones in space. Secondly, those squirrels are not at war. And that is precisely what the Alliance and Hideauze should do. Instead of breaking out into war, just Cold War the case. Adapt, compete to see who does better, refuse to die out, but don't physically start wiping out the other team. What? We know for certain that all Hideazu so far have attacked humans at some point. The ones in space are in fact the bigger threat to humanity and they couldn't risk leaving humanity alone either IF they even retain enough intelligence to make these decisions at this point. Secondly, the European squirrel is going exting. It will vanish in a few years driven to extinction by the American one. That's not co-existance, that's not "doing the better thing", it's merely a slow and painful death for the European squirrel, in fact going to way (if they were intelligent enough and would have the means to) would be the only way for them to survive seeing as how they still have far superior numbers. As it's now, the European squirrel will die out, while the American one will add another continent (at least one, if it doesn't expand to Asia afterwards) to it's habitats. Squirrel analogy is bad. Those squirrels occupy the same ecological niche and compete for resources. Nothing like the Hideauze and GA. |
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Deleth said: scruffykiwi said: The squirrel analogy would work if Humans and Hideauze both need the same ecological niche, but they clearly don't. Hideauze don't consume the same resources as humans and they don't live in the same territory. There is absolutely no reason for conflict between humans and Hideauze on the current earth. True, if the Hideazue were willing to move away from Earth, they are obviousl not. There is in fact no need for them to be there unlike the humans, yet they are. In fact it would only serve to prove that the Hideazu would eventually encroach on ANY space they could live in leaving non for the normal humans. Why should the Hideazue leave earth? It's their planet too! And so what if the sea is teaming with Hideazue. We have no evidence that they are aggressive on earth and they don't eat fish. The only thing you will need to be careful with is not ramming them by accident. They live UNDER WATER. They don't want the ships or the surface. There is no real source of conflict. It appears that the earth Hideazue just want to be left alone. |
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Deleth said: I bet you also think the Allies should've left Hitler alone, right? Because the Imperial Japanese were little different. It's not a common sense answer, it's an answer from a decandent and rotten point of view of people who're removed from the conflict by 75+ years and have no idea what went on back then. By people who see Japanese only as nice funny people who make anime and not the ones commiting just as many warcrimes and atrocities if not even more than the Nazis did. Back then nobody questioned the use of these weapons to force an previous aggressor to finally surrender and spare hundreds of thousands of Allied soldiers a landing on the Japanese mainland that could've turned into a bloodbath costing even more lifes on both sides. Oh wow, someone is ACTUALLY advocating the atrocities that were hiroshima and nagasaki and JUSTIFYING them? AND in same freaking post uses the SAME logic with which we drove native indians into freaking concentration camps? I am done with you sir, enjoy being disgusting. |
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Electromaster said: Lol, you people are actually taking the guy who talks about racism in the context of GIANT MURDEROUS SPACE SQUIDS seriously? Ever heard of trolls? Welcome to the Internet? On topic, Ledo seems to have some serious PTSP there. As for the next episode, inb4 all the death. For real, when I see accusations of racism and homophobia as well as someones political beliefs being brought into an ANIME discussion, I have to /facepalm. |
niaxato said: Electromaster said: Lol, you people are actually taking the guy who talks about racism in the context of GIANT MURDEROUS SPACE SQUIDS seriously? Ever heard of trolls? Welcome to the Internet? On topic, Ledo seems to have some serious PTSP there. As for the next episode, inb4 all the death. For real, when I see accusations of racism and homophobia as well as someones political beliefs being brought into an ANIME discussion, I have to /facepalm. So blatant militarism and human-supremacy is okay, but liberalism and equally valuing all lifeforms is suddenly bad and "trolling"? Oh wow. Only in MAL. ANd yeah, SHOCKING FACTS - an anime focusing on philosophical conflict of human morality and political ideas is bound to drawn discussion about...human morality and political ideas~ shocking I know. |
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Deleth said: scruffykiwi said: Ledo attacked the Hideazu not the other way around. You also seem to be confusde by the idea of territory and ecological niche. When one lifeform involves living on the surface and another under water, and said underwater lifeform does NOT need food from the sea then there is no niche overlap. The Hideazu was already heading for them, the Hideazu didn't even attack Ledo but the salvage girl. The Hideazu have before attacked people. And your whole argumentation of Hideazu leaving underwater is plain wrong, they live wherever they please. Just for your information, it's the very same Hideazu that also live in space under extreme conditions. If you want both sides to truly co-exist there would be a need for the Hideazu to stay away from the only space the humans could possible live in as of now, from what we've seen they have little to no drive to actually do so. Which again, brings humans and Hideazu into contact despite them not occupying the exact same niche (it's still close enough mind you). You seem to fail to understand why most wars are fought. When humans fight over land or territory it is because of the productive nature of that territory. War is mainly a fight over resources. There is NO RESOURCE CONFLICT between humans and Hideazu. So what if a Hideazu moved in next door. It's not going to take any of your food and those handy nano-machines actually generate power for you so having a Hideazu as a neighbour might be quite useful. BTW, I said war is mainly over resources. Of course the other is ideology, which this war appears to be over. |
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scruffykiwi said: Deleth said: scruffykiwi said: Ledo attacked the Hideazu not the other way around. You also seem to be confusde by the idea of territory and ecological niche. When one lifeform involves living on the surface and another under water, and said underwater lifeform does NOT need food from the sea then there is no niche overlap. The Hideazu was already heading for them, the Hideazu didn't even attack Ledo but the salvage girl. The Hideazu have before attacked people. And your whole argumentation of Hideazu leaving underwater is plain wrong, they live wherever they please. Just for your information, it's the very same Hideazu that also live in space under extreme conditions. If you want both sides to truly co-exist there would be a need for the Hideazu to stay away from the only space the humans could possible live in as of now, from what we've seen they have little to no drive to actually do so. Which again, brings humans and Hideazu into contact despite them not occupying the exact same niche (it's still close enough mind you). You seem to fail to understand why most wars are fought. When humans fight over land or territory it is because of the productive nature of that territory. War is mainly a fight over resources. There is NO RESOURCE CONFLICT between humans and Hideazu. So what if a Hideazu moved in next door. It's not going to take any of your food and those handy nano-machines actually generate power for you so having a Hideazu as a neighbour might be quite useful. BTW, I said war is mainly over resources. Of course the other is ideology, which this war appears to be over. ^this. Ideological wars are never justified(war in general should not be justified). Its really no different at its core than the conflict of military blocks in WWII or during Cold War. The only difference being that both sides differ more physically. In the end such conflicts never benefit anyone, at best ending up with severe casualties at one side, at worst - with severe casualties at both sides, decimating both civilizations. |
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Fai said: Ideological wars are never justified(war in general should not be justified). Its really no different at its core than the conflict of military blocks in WWII or during Cold War. The only difference being that both sides differ more physically. In the end such conflicts never benefit anyone, at best ending up with severe casualties at one side, at worst - with severe casualties at both sides, decimating both civilizations. BUT MUH DIGNITY! I can't accept being the lower life form, can I?! It's outrageous how they can just float around and prosper and be happy and play with their tentacles all day with absolutely no effort! |
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Deleth said: Spirai said: It's seems you're more intent on forcing your opinion on others than actually waiting to find out what will happen. I never said the whalesquids were entirely human, but that doesn't mean they're aren't human in some percentage either. And what Earth laws? Half of the people were on the side of the Evolvers. Do you think that half would just go over if it were against some internationally proclaimed Earth laws? What laws are you basing this upon? And finally, well maybe Pinion's brother shouldn't have wandered in the lion's den. I'm pretty sure they KNEW it was whalesquid territory yet he casually waddles in and overstays to the point where even Pinion realizes that his brother needs to get the hell out of there. Oh please. First of all, we don't know how many people choose wich side, just because one side wasn't immediatly wiped out doesn't mean it wasn't completly outnumbered by the opposition but merely that it was able to defend itself for the time being. Secondly, some laws and ethics have to be enforced no matter the cost. The whole "don't force your ethics/laws" onto others argumentations holds little value seeing how it could be used to argumentate that cannibalism should be allowed aswell, how dare you tell some people they can't cannibalize other people when it's part of their belief and culture? Same goes for forced marriage, slavery, rape and a whole lot of other nasties. Despite what you and I feel about them, there are some people who think they should be allowed to do these things and we wont find a middleground for these issues. Because I doubt it would be acceptable to us if they only eat half a person or enslave and rape one out of two people. Third, Hideazu travel whever they please on Earth. The one that attacked salvage girl and Ledo was way out of their territory. The big swarm of them? It was in a place Gargantia had gone before and that wasn't theirs either. Don't try and justify attacking and murdering people just because they "went into the wrong neighborhoud" please. @Scruffykiwi, wrong. Hideazu are shown to casualy attack humans on Earth, there is little to no reason for the space ones not to do the same. What the Gargantians say has little value seeing how some of them worship the Hideazu as deities. Also Avalon is damaged/partly destroyed and thus has come under attack before, the Evolvers followed the ConUnion through their portal and so on and on and on. Good point for the first part. The second part, actually, what I assumed in my argument was that there weren't any 'Earth laws' established that the Evolvers were violating. However, just now I went back and rewatched that part of episode 9 and found out I was wrong. It shows the head scientist doing an interview, admitting he's violating the international established laws and ethics because he believes that they are of the past and that a new age is about to start since they're about to have their 5th ice age and need a new survival plan. Then, because of some leak in information, the Continental Union (Alliance) dispatches a fleet BEFORE waiting for the decision of the United Nations's conference as what they should do. The video then breaks off to the woman who says the Evolvers were looking for a new planet to survive on and thus, made the humans into Hideauze. Then, another information leak happens that the Evolvers are trying to recruit people and performing experiments on humans that go against the established international law. Continuing, the war between the CU and the Evolvers becomes about who can escape Earth first. They begin battle in space. It's then stated the CU is working on a wormhole drive that includes a self destruct system that they'll activate as soon as they escape the whole entire solar system itself. (By the way, the man reporting this then says, "thereby stranding us on Earth", meaning this is the Evolver's radio station. Depending on how many news channels are reporting all this and the biases which they had, we can't really take all this information as factual). The Evolvers then plan to take the wormhole drive for themselves. Recording ends. Chamber states that some of the information contradicts that of the Alliance's. So, to break this all down: 1.) The Evolvers admit they have broken the international established law of ethics because they believe it should no longer be followed since the 5th ice age is approaching and humans must find any way to survive. Their goal was to look for another planet and make the human body adaptable. They are currently experimenting with human genome. 2.) United Nations gathers to talk of what should be done. Meanwhile, Continental Union starts the war with the Evolvers. 3.) Information leak number 2, Evolvers are attempting to recruit people and it has been confirmed they are experimenting with living humans and turning them into Hideauze. 4.) Battle between CU and Evolvers is taken to space and soon becomes about who can leave Earth first. 5.) CU develops wormhole drive that self destructs. Unconfirmed due to possibility of biased reporting:They plan to go through it to leave the solar system itself and leave the Evolvers stranded on Earth. Conclusion to number 5: Some of you are saying that the Evovlers tried to hijack the wormhole drive. That is a strong possibility. However, it's clear that neither of them made it through the wormhole because (key point here), the wormhole was made to go to an entirely different solar system. 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SpiraiJun 9, 2013 5:12 PM
| This show continues to surprise me. Chamber's reasoning is entirely logical and detailed. I was under the impression that he was just following a "kill all hideauze" directive from the Galactic Alliance, but when he said he came to the conclusion by himself it just baffled me how much sense he made. Commander Kugel next episode? Should be interesting. |
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linchpin said: Fai said: Ideological wars are never justified(war in general should not be justified). Its really no different at its core than the conflict of military blocks in WWII or during Cold War. The only difference being that both sides differ more physically. In the end such conflicts never benefit anyone, at best ending up with severe casualties at one side, at worst - with severe casualties at both sides, decimating both civilizations. BUT MUH DIGNITY! I can't accept being the lower life form, can I?! It's outrageous how they can just float around and prosper and be happy and play with their tentacles all day with absolutely no effort! YEah, gotta protect that glorious silver haired purple eyed master-race, since hey those things actually have teeth that clearly show us we should nuke them all right now. I mean, who dares to have teeth?! |
TachiiJun 9, 2013 6:35 PM
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Fai said: niaxato said: Electromaster said: Lol, you people are actually taking the guy who talks about racism in the context of GIANT MURDEROUS SPACE SQUIDS seriously? Ever heard of trolls? Welcome to the Internet? On topic, Ledo seems to have some serious PTSP there. As for the next episode, inb4 all the death. For real, when I see accusations of racism and homophobia as well as someones political beliefs being brought into an ANIME discussion, I have to /facepalm. So blatant militarism and human-supremacy is okay, but liberalism and equally valuing all lifeforms is suddenly bad and "trolling"? Oh wow. Only in MAL. ANd yeah, SHOCKING FACTS - an anime focusing on philosophical conflict of human morality and political ideas is bound to drawn discussion about...human morality and political ideas~ shocking I know. Shit brah, aren't you a proud little hippie. But unfortunately for you, the anime explained it perfectly; Hideauze abandoned civilization. They're just murderous animals acting on instinct. And to humans it's literally the equivalent of having dinosaurs with lasers in their back yard. The two cannot coexist. It doesn't matter shit if they were human once. Now, the really good question is, in all the vastness of the Universe, why are they next to eacother? Why don't the humans show their logic and just flee? My guess here is that humans found an inhabitable planet somewhere deep in space and went there. But, for one reason or another it was taken over, or rendered inhabitable by Hideauze. So now they're fighting back to get it. Alternatively, humans are trying to run away, but the damn things just keep chasing them. Why? Because they're brainless and act on instinct, which is, apparently, "MUST KILL ALL HUMANS", at least in their current form (i.e. in space, I'm not talking about the Earth's low tier proto-Hideauze). Why is that so? Fuck if I know. Maybe they're just like the Titans in the currently most popular animu evarrrr. Now surely there's some propaganda to it all and everything, but the fact remains that the humans (space ones) are fighting for their existence because SQUIDS WITH LASERS. I cannot stress this enough. Also if you're not a troll, and you seriously correlate homophobia with fighting against murderous space squids, you're an idiot. Sincerely, a TS person. |
ElectromistressJun 9, 2013 5:56 PM
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| Dat purple yunboro.... Maybe Gintoki vs Takasugi in the next episode? |
| Never have I seen a more unfitting OP song in my life. |
| "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams "...but all these feels that are currently assaulting me don't seem to care. Conversely, I'm also aggressively erect at the moment..." |
| damn Chamber is right this is a battle of ideals for the future survival of humanity, one rejects civilization the Hideazu and the other tries to be conservative and still use civilization like the machine calibers lol its Republicans vs Democrats (or Conservatives vs Liberals) |
| As for the show, I guess pirates will get that other space machine and some pirate will, out of the blue, know how to pilot it and be equal to Ledo who had hundreds upon hundreds of hours in space battles. |
TachiiJun 9, 2013 6:32 PM
| lol yeah, innocent civilians? They are the country, and are responsible for what the country's done. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| Removed several posts related to WWII and the justification of bombings. Please stay on topic. I know things may relate but do not continue to discuss some completely different topic that is irrelevant to the plot. |
| it'd be better if the posts don't get removed but shows the message like 'this post is deleted' so the redirecting to page1 bug won't happen. just my 2c |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| That other robot looks kind of intimidating...and those people with the forehead tattoos and creepy grins? Must be some kind of brainwashed cult that just screams "bad guys". My guess is that fleet is not really an ally or an ally at first, and will become an enemy army later against Red/Ledo. ...or I could be wrong. |
| Pinion is so dumb. I hope he dies a horrible death lol. Announces he has treasure and basically says COME AT ME BRO. Now he attracts unwanted attention. So arrogant yet he is nothing with Ledo. Yup horrible death incoming |
| Lol @ Pinion being a complete dumbass.. Hope he gets no mercy and suffer the consequences of his idiocy. |
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| fak yoo Pineeun. y u do dis? *on a serious note* Pinion really did piss me the hell off this episode. Which is unfortunate since I thought he was a pretty cool character until now. |
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| These last 2 episode have been great! Really wish the series was 26 episodes; oh well. GREAT OST's too |
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| dafaq Pinion was with ya with this whole looking for treasure of stuff then you make a 180 into a total selfish dick lol those looked like cultist on that ship that Kugel is on really looking forward to next week. |
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| - Pinion needs a glorified death to salvage his character. - Sugita-san pointed out that iPhones will be more useful than human beings in the years of Galactic Alliance. - Ledo's head is busted. - Ono Yuuki wasn't selected as a seiyuu for 10 mins of the first episode after all. - This show has become far less attractive because we don't get to see the beautiful girls much often. - This show has become 10 times better since Sugita-san ruined Ika Musume's plan to take over the human world. I know it is from the previous episode, but... |
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shanimebib said: I know it is from the previous episode, but... So, am I the only one who thinks Kugel is dead? Well, it's something that I fully expect at least. It's possible that the cultists (from the looks of them) only worship the Machine Caliber and either killed off Kugel or found him dead in the cockpit and the machine would select a new pilot or something. All speculation of course but I think the people killing Kugel wouldn't really work out that well for them in the short term... |
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| The strength of this episode seemed to be more about what it will show than what it did show. Still, you gotta respect how Chamber just dropped cold hard reality on Ledo like that. I definitely don't feel comfortable seeing Pinion in control of this entire fleet. You get the impression of ignorant kids playing with guns, someone's gonna lose a finger - or their face.  |
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Newmn84 said: shanimebib said: I know it is from the previous episode, but... That does it! /me rage quits. Newmn84 said: So, am I the only one who thinks Kugel is dead? Well, it's something that I fully expect at least. It's possible that the cultists (from the looks of them) only worship the Machine Caliber and either killed off Kugel or found him dead in the cockpit and the machine would select a new pilot or something. All speculation of course but I think the people killing Kugel wouldn't really work out that well for them in the short term... Nah. They cannot do that. Ono Yuuki had like what, 7-8 lines in the entire anime so far. At least let him have a few more lines before the anime ends. ^_^ The only boss-chara of this anime is Chamber. He is awesome in more than 24 ways. Here are a few selected ones: Personality and General Attributes: - Honest - Logical - Hardworking - Dedicated - Can be a good company - Has a Sense of Responsibilty - Follows Chain of Command - Has a Code of Conduct Other Traits - Multilingual - Can Cook - Can Dive Extraordinary Traits - Can Fly - Man of Steel - Capable of Senmetsu'ing And of course - Voiced by Sugita Tomokazu |
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| Glad chamber was able to help ledo stop from going insane. I wonder if the commander he saw is still alive or some random people just found his robot. |
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| Kugel is alive !!? Okay if he is how did he get to earth ?? |
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MyAmy said: probably travelled the same way that Ledo did?Kugel is alive !!? Okay if he is how did he get to earth ?? |
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shanimebib said: And of course - Voiced by Sugita Tomokazu What? Knew there was a reason he was my favorite character;can't wait to see him use the Ripple. Blows that Pinion's went off the deep end and is basically bringing imperialism to the high seas. |
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