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Nov 26, 2012 12:05 AM

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Damn, this was a fantastic episode, and, aside from, perhaps, the fourth, it was definitely the best, as it developed the larger narrative far more extensively than the majority of the previous episodes. There was a compelling tension that permeated throughout the entire episode, illustrating a tonal restraint that was understandably lacking in the previous episode. A symbolically profound visual sort of storytelling occurred throughout much of the episode, which terrifically complemented the foreboding atmosphere. The pacing was greatly deliberate, gradually developing and consequently unraveling a cascading sequence of intriguing events, while never faltering into an uninteresting monotony.

The narrative is quite intricately woven, broadening and elaborating on a plethora of seemingly insignificant, but deftly foreshadowed and eventually meaningful developments. As such, the secretive machinations of their strictly regulated society are gradually illuminated through a highly effective precision, since, though occasionally expected, these moments of detailed elaboration corrode the veneer of a peaceful existence, slowly exposing the terribly fractured structure of their world, essentially illustrating an immensely powerful and emotionally evocative decay of perception. As such, one of the best, most intriguing sequences was Maria's thoroughly revealing recollections, as she, along with Mamoru, momentarily glimpsed a select few of the Ethics Committee, consequently overhearing that they're intending to force one of the tainted cats into confronting Shun before he fully becomes a Karma Demon.

Shun's transition into a Karma Demon was, I feel, excellently foreshadowed throughout the show or, at the very least, his characterization was suffused with an abundance of vague, but intriguing allusions to a mysterious, darkened edge of his character and the potential development that involves his personality deteriorating into a more calculating and cruel version of his present self. These filtered nuances draw a noticeable, but partially contrasting parallel to Maria's slowly developing characterization. It seems quite likely that if Shun does, in fact, die, such an emotionally devastating development would slightly alter Saki's character, which would be an intriguing evolution to explore. A Holy Barrier suddenly appeared around Pinewind, preventing the escape of whatever monstrous entity it harbors within and imposing an accepted restriction from Saki and Satoru entering; this is the first sign that directly alludes to the possibility and increased likelihood that Shun is becoming a Karma Demon, essentially recalling a parallel between his current situation and the ritualistic tale he once recited that comprehensively depicted the descent into a Karma Demon.

My favorite sequence was the dinner scene between Saki and her parents, as it contained a thorough amount of meaningful character and story development, illuminated by an unsettling tranquility. The tedious, comparatively mundane conversation between Saki's parents greatly emphasized the dichotomy between their complacent uniformity and the temporarily dormant rebellious turmoil that had re-awoken within Saki's mind ever since Shun disappeared. These trite matters culminated with Saki's break of silence and subsequent outburst. The immediate transition from Saki's calm contemplation to their shocked expressions upon hearing the utterance of Shun's name was highly effective. The unexpected reveal and subsequent realization of Saki's lost, forgotten sister was handled incredibly well, as a heightened, but unwanted, knowledge is illustrated by the brightness of her earlier memory and the subdued, detached colors that cloud her surroundings as she fully becomes aware of this unforeseen truth.

Saki was fantastic throughout this entire episode, displaying an insightful and sympathetic breadth of complex emotions, since her motivations are very deftly illustrated, as her love for Shun is compelling her to act in a marginally more rebellious fashion than she normally would. Saki's highly interesting, layered characterization heavily contributes to her increasingly heightened and gradually developed role as a truly fascinating character, since the nature of her complicated characterization has never been fully divulged, but due to recent developments and her emotional attachment to Shun, it has been explored far more than in episodes past. Saki lacks a certain naivety that all others, save for Shun, have willingly constructed within the smallest cracks of their perpetually obedient, generally respectful facades, since the others seem to be distinctly aware of the disquieting dread that infects their secluded, potentially diseased society, but they, along with most others, attempts to dismiss it. Aside from Shun perhaps, she has definitely appeared to be the most perceptive, particularly in how rightfully distrustful she has become of others, as displayed by her inability to blindly adhere to the monk's every words in the fourth episode and her refusal to believe the explanations, or lack thereof, that were given by her parents and, in effect, the Ethics Committee.

Maria and Mamoru, though temporarily inconsequential, seem very likely, particularly Maria, to considerably influence approaching events. As such, though not particularly subtle, I really liked the shot that incorporated a visual contrast between the foreshadowed eventualities of Maria and Mamoru's existence, as they sit next to one another on a bench; the sunlight reaches Mamoru's face, while Maria remains shrouded in darkness, perhaps foretelling of the potentially catastrophic events that will be ignited by Maria's involvement, as mentioned towards the end of the second episode.

The music was exceptionally well-implemented throughout the entire episode, accompanying each scene with a particular emotional weight. The altered orchestral chant is brilliant, particularly in it's usage throughout the opening to this episode, as it thoroughly established the unsettling atmosphere that would pervade through the rest of the episode. The selection used during the dinner scene evoked a wistful melancholy that really accentuated the myriad of deeply painful emotions that had surfaced during this moment. The sound direction was extremely impressive, particularly notable throughout the final scene, in which the silence of Saki's threatening excursion into the heart of the forest is pierced with the cries of numerous beastly terrors.

The confident, visually creative direction complemented the methodical, disturbing nature of this episode wonderfully, displaying an especially effective restraint in the construction of many integral moments, such as the final scene, in which another wild animal is revealed, as well as a necessary proficiency towards the framing of momentous moments, such as Maria's revelatory conversation with Saki. There was an abundance of cuts to black that were filtered into the episode, but, unlike the latter half of the seventh episode, they were used really well throughout, rarely distracting from any particular moment, but rather heightening the effect of several shocking developments.

A very nicely directed scene was that which involved Maria's silhouette appearing at Saki's window immediately following the remembrance of her sister. The transition was eerily effective. One of the final shots, in which Saki's shadow, ablaze beneath the light of her torch, looms against the withered tress, was beautifully constructed. Another impressive directorial touch was the moment Saki remembered her first meeting with Shun, and the oddly-shaped tree that was supplanted behind his family, as the partial destruction of this tree and the house that once possessed it indicates that his village was decimated. I felt that the isolation of her sharp inhale worked quite well.

Unfortunately, Yamauchi is returning for the next episode, which hopefully won't be similarly plagued with an absence of narrative cohesion, as his uniquely expressionistic approach to storytelling definitely hasn't proved suitable for the duration of an entire episode. Considering the seeming importance of the next episode and the potentially important developments within, I remain quite wary at the prospect of his second attempt towards carefully handling an entire episode. However, despite the questionable nature of his directorial style, I'm really looking forward to the surrealistic visuals that typically accompany his direction, since episode 5 was rather atmospheric and strikingly beautiful.

All in all, though the last two episodes were quite good, From the New World excels with this one, effectively reestablishing the brilliantly ominous atmosphere and the immensely compelling elements of the story. The masterful, meticulous construction of the narrative continues to be the most essential strength of the show, which is a testament to how very well-written and impressively directed the story, for the most part, has been. There have certainly been several instances in which the narrative execution has considerably diminished, but these moments of disappointing inconsistency and a slight tonal dissonance have been remarkably rare. The excellent cliffhanger was a terrific note to conclude the episode on. The preview, though potentially misdirection, appears to suggest that Shun's death is quite imminent, which would be unfortunate, but I've loved his development so far, so it will be interesting to see what occurs, and whether or not Saki will be able to save him.
 
Nov 26, 2012 1:44 PM

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debido95 said:
I loved this episode, too bad it seems like the crappy episode 5 animation will be back


I don't understand how the animation can stick out that bad to some of you people. If the art style is close enough, I hardly notice. I've stuck with many animes with so called bad animation because I was engaged in the story. There wasn't one episode shown so far where I thought,"damn they really messed up". I think some of these elitists bitch about trivial things on this site.

On a side note, I thought Itou, Mamoru was a chick until now XD. Should have been obvious with the clothing, but the character barely stood out and acts very feminine.
 
Nov 26, 2012 6:26 PM

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Where did the name "Saeko" shows up in this show ?

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So I wonder how many other people had siblings that were deemed dangerous. The parents are most likely forced to seal their children memories. I understand that the village leaders have the best interest of the community, but I think they're being too controlling and hiding too many secrets.
Not just the dangerous peoples like Shun.
Well, Shun is almost at top in the danger rating. Children who never developed their power is also in risk of getting purged, probably because the society doesn’t want to deal with another case of having two kind of human living side by side and straining for conflict.

In previous discussion, the memory sealing is just for kids and teens who normally wouldn't do so well with knowing their sibling and friends are getting purged out.
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Nov 26, 2012 6:52 PM

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debido95 said:
I loved this episode, too bad it seems like the crappy episode 5 animation will be back


I don't understand how the animation can stick out that bad to some of you people. If the art style is close enough, I hardly notice. I've stuck with many animes with so called bad animation because I was engaged in the story. There wasn't one episode shown so far where I thought,"damn they really messed up". I think some of these elitists bitch about trivial things on this site.

On a side note, I thought Itou, Mamoru was a chick until now XD. Should have been obvious with the clothing, but the character barely stood out and acts very feminine.


Its not so much elitist when they don't know what they are talking about. Its the preference of style they don't like, but it doesn't neccessarily make the animation bad. The comment above yours pretty much sums up the only issues with Yamaguchi directing.
 
Nov 27, 2012 8:56 AM

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Damn this is getting really good, and all those people drop this cuz of the last episode sucks to be them they're missing out on a great show.


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Nov 27, 2012 12:17 PM

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While I feel the pacing may be trying a bit to hard to be mysterious (ie, very little reveal to the point of its risking turning into something akin to Lost) I still like the art styles and pleasant reminiscence of Nausicaa to keep watching.

'd like it if Saki was a little less wet behind the ears compared to her friends but hopefully she'll be inspired to protect her friends or some such trope like that in the near future!
 
Nov 27, 2012 2:55 PM

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Now it's all coming together and will probably all go downhill from here. Shun turning into a Karma Demon sucks, but i hope the others can fight back in the end. Such a great episode.
 
Nov 27, 2012 4:21 PM

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This whole mystery wants me to know what happens next, and that preview for ep 10 has got me excited haha.
 
Nov 27, 2012 6:36 PM

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good storyline, though some are too difficult to follow

so they will constantly be targeted as criminals? well that makes everything become more terrifying

last scene: saki met the copycat...! can't wait the next episode
 
Nov 28, 2012 5:35 AM

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Vyudali said:
Now it's all coming together and will probably all go downhill from here. Shun turning into a Karma Demon sucks, but i hope the others can fight back in the end. Such a great episode.
I don't think the word Karma Demon should read as Evil or Bad guy here. The same thing as the society that they are living in right now, it is still far from being called "Good".


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Nov 28, 2012 7:52 AM
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I'M ON A MISSION THAT NIGGAS SAY IS IMPOSSIBLE
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Nov 28, 2012 7:54 AM
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tysonultima said:
debido95 said:
I loved this episode, too bad it seems like the crappy episode 5 animation will be back


And here we go someone yet again complaining about episode 5's animation. I mean unless you really know what your talking about, such as if you've actually taken classes in animation, then this makes your opinion sound very stupid. I mean your entitled to your preference in animation, but it doesn't make it crappy.

I mean in episode 5 they actually implemented the 4th level of shading, but you probably wouldn't know that.

This is, officially, the most retarded post I have seen on MAL. Congratu fucking lations.
 
Nov 28, 2012 1:17 PM
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Kind of sad the thread size has halfed over the past week.
Best episode so far in my opinion, very suspensful and added a ton of really well done plot twists while adding a whole bunch more mystery to the show. I had really low expectations for this show but it really has turned out great :)

Also I still have no idea what people are going on about with animation, sure one or two scenes kind of stood out but apart from that it was pretty damn good.
The decrease in animation means one of two things:
A: The show is doing very poorly over in Japan
B: A1 are focusing all of their effort in adding more fanservice to SOA.
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Nov 28, 2012 2:33 PM

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I wonder what would Saki find in her journey now?
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Nov 28, 2012 2:58 PM

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This anime's making me insane with all that tension!
 
Nov 28, 2012 11:40 PM

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I wonder how that necklace thing Shun gave her works. Because if it is going to work, then now's the time to do it.
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Nov 29, 2012 12:11 AM
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I wonder how that necklace thing Shun gave her works. Because if it is going to work, then now's the time to do it.

we should know how the cats kill those supermen
 
Nov 29, 2012 3:49 PM

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Saki really did have and older sister called Yoshimi before!

Damn, there's some deep underlying plot involving the teachers, kids turning karma demon and those copycats. Now Shun is dead too! :(

What the hell is going on with all these missing people? And what happened in Pinewood? That cliffhanger too. Saki is standing eye to eye with one of the copycats! Could it be Shun?
 
Dec 1, 2012 2:09 AM

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there is a very good atmosphere in this show <.< !

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Dec 2, 2012 3:54 AM

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I'm releaved that quolity recovered.
This time make scared atmosphere.
 
Dec 4, 2012 8:02 PM

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Shun? A karma demon? Nooo!

This is why protecting a functioning and stable PK society from itself in the future is a lot of work, mass conditioning, indoctrination, hypnosis, cover-up... without which everyone with PK potential is a walking nuclear time bomb when they become mentally unstable.
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Dec 5, 2012 7:18 PM

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This society is so fucked up...
 
Jan 2, 2013 6:46 PM

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Shun and Saki wow! This is getting really intense!
 
Mar 23, 2013 4:36 PM

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I would be scared shitless to go into a forest in the middle of the night. Props to Saki though. Brave girl!

Awesome atmosphere, intensity and suspense.

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I feel like this show is starting to go somewhere. It almost lost me for a while.

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Mar 27, 2013 6:02 AM
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Nice cliffhanger! Things are starting to get interesting.
 
Apr 2, 2013 10:03 AM

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Nice cliffhanger! Things are starting to get interesting.


Yup, indeed.

Not surprising that Saki had an older Sibling, but what I found curious was that she actually knew that sibling and partly grew up with her. So there is some major memory manipulation going on, though the fact that she recovers said memory by herself, could imply that it's not the same kind of hypnosis that the priest was using to seal their Canti.
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Apr 3, 2013 11:58 AM

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This was actually quite a decent episode! A first some nice story development and character development combined together! I feel a nice buildup for something big! Lets see what's next!
 
Apr 8, 2013 6:50 AM

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I love the OST in this show.
 
Apr 16, 2013 6:46 AM
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Apr 21, 2013 3:19 PM

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Shit just got real.
Probably the best episode so far.
Saki just seemed so badass getting all geared up and sneaking around :D

I didn't like Saki's long hair before, but the hair style she sported at the end (with the pony tail) is actually very good. Probably my most preferred hair for her now.

Why the heck do the Tainted Cats have feet resembling high heels? Could they be actually female humans?
 
May 16, 2013 10:22 AM

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Great episode.
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May 23, 2013 9:26 PM

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FUCK THIS SERIES, not as in its bad, no fuck this series for always making me want to see the next episode. Its just so hard to stop.

Man i cant believe the series had the balls to kill off a MC so quickly in the series. All these conspiracies and revelations are just fantastic, the scene where saki remembers her dead sibling gave me goosebumps.

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Ai no chikara.
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Jun 30, 2013 10:05 AM

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A conspiracy!!! I knew that something is wrong with this society. So basically they get rid of mentally unstable people by using those cat looking creatures >.<
And it looks like Saki is in trouble. Need to watch the next episode.
 
Sep 20, 2013 2:47 PM

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nice episode..
I wonder what happen with shun :3
and about the ending. is that the cat? :O
 
Oct 23, 2013 11:29 AM

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So Saki had an older sibling... so obviously people's memories get altered. Feels like the show is finally getting into the good stuff.
 
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Better episode than most, hopefully this quality will continue from now on, and i'll reconsider dropping the series. I want to like it, but it honestly makes it pretty hard. We are on episode 9 now and I'm still not really sure what the actual plot of the show is and I'm not at all invested in any of the characters.

But I've heard so much raving about how good it is that i keep forcing myself to keep watching... and it manages to just barely hold my interest enough each time to keep me from dropping it. If i'm not into the series by episode 12 though, i think that's a good enough indication that i'm not going to get into it.
 
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Soooo nobodys gonna mention when satouru and shun "relationship" 0_o

As of now, please try to refrain from looking at MAL. its a complete mess right now T-T
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1. it took 9 episodes for the main plot to reveal itself... jesus christ 9 episodes...

2. i'm not even emotionallly invested in any of the characters because there was no plot from episodes 1-8.

3. i'm gonna drop this series at at episode 12 if it starts getting boring. i can't believe i forced myself to watch this crap. just cuz it's ranked top 100 in MAL don't mean it's good.

4/10
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Mar 25, 2014 4:35 PM

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Wow, such an intense episode. Secrets will fold
 
Apr 28, 2014 12:28 PM

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Things are getting really crazy huh?
They are ready to destroy an entire village rather than facing a karma demon. People with psychotelekinesis must be really dangerous, even more if the people don't want to kill him because of the ''return to death'' constraint.
When they were exploring the surrounding of the village, those trees and everything were fucking creepy. What was that Queerat doing there? Was he a member of a colony or one of the rebellion? I wonder what they saw with that mirror though, Saki seemed really shocked by it.

So we learned that Saki knew about her sister and she probably was brainwashed of any memories of her.

What will her encounter with the tainted cat lead to? They say that no one can survive an encounter with them, but the one that brought them easily used their Juryoku on them. Also, in the preview, Saki is screaming Shun name, like if she wanted to stop him to do something.
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May 28, 2014 3:18 PM

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i think this episode was the best since the beginning, finally things are getting interesting
i hope they meet other parts of mankind
also.. i don't really like shun.. i am rooting for satoru x saki, but i rather see saki x shun than shun x satoru ._.
 
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Holy shit, Maria scared the crap out of me when she appeared out in the window.
 
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1. it took 9 episodes for the main plot to reveal itself... jesus christ 9 episodes...

2. i'm not even emotionallly invested in any of the characters because there was no plot from episodes 1-8.

3. i'm gonna drop this series at at episode 12 if it starts getting boring. i can't believe i forced myself to watch this crap. just cuz it's ranked top 100 in MAL don't mean it's good.

4/10


Yeah, even after 9 episodes all the characters are still so uninteresting and bland that I don't even care what happens to them anymore. Except for maybe Saki but even she gets a little annoying sometimes when she freaks out and starts screeching. The only reason I continue to watch the show is because of all the questions and mysteries that keep piling up, which kinda reminds me of Lost. Hopefully this doesn't end up like Lost, with no pay off.
 
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@Vhailor
Yeah, the characters are flat, it would be best to self-insert yourself if possible. But there is payoff, OK, there's a lot melodrama that's going to happen with the characters, but try to think of it how this affects the bigger picture.
 
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Yeah, the characters are flat, it would be best to self-insert yourself if possible. But there is payoff, OK, there's a lot melodrama that's going to happen with the characters, but try to think of it how this affects the bigger picture.


As long as there's payoff, I guess I can sit through some melodrama. After all, I survived the ridiculous melodramatic love polygon or rather love web of Nagi no Asukara. I doubt it can get any worse than that (hopefully).
 
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damm! the animation is inconsistent!
 
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damm! the animation is inconsistent!
It aired the same time as SAO!
 
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Vhailor said:
T3hSource said:
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Yeah, the characters are flat, it would be best to self-insert yourself if possible. But there is payoff, OK, there's a lot melodrama that's going to happen with the characters, but try to think of it how this affects the bigger picture.


As long as there's payoff, I guess I can sit through some melodrama. After all, I survived the ridiculous melodramatic love polygon or rather love web of Nagi no Asukara. I doubt it can get any worse than that (hopefully).


This and Nagi no Asukara are two completely different series though. This one focuses a lot more on world/lore building with the romance aspect (while still very important to the characters relationships and character development) taking a backseat.

To my knowledge, Nagi no Asukara takes the opposite approach, and I feel that the two series are hardly comparable.
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So a Karma Demon is born.
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