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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I noticed some problem with the CG as the battleships sometime looked like tin toys and it often really stood out from the 2D drawings, creating some inconsistency... To be honest, the CGs didn't look that much better than the original Last Exile, which came out 8 years ago and I'm slightly disappointed with Gonzo in this regard. On the other hand, I liked the scene of Fam's entry into one of the whale ship, and how the progress of the plot is advancing pretty quickly and we're already seeing Exile being used like the infamous "colony drop" from the old Gundam series, and I'm really looking forward to the next episode now. |
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| I don't get it all, there is only 2 chapters of Last Exile: Ginyoku no Fam but how in the world did they cover into anime? |
Nothing ventured, nothing gained (Girls und Panzer der Film ) / from Nishizumi Miho |
| How do you say "Fam Fan Fan" ?!?! >_< Fam! Teach me; I can't say it like how you do it The flashy bullets reminds me of Tohou Project Who is that Rukia? He kidnapped the princess! o_o I seems like Dio knows him? The 3D animation is still awesome Does Giselle has pictographic memory? =O I didn't expect them to talk about Exile so fast Woah... Is that like a moon falling? - - Why does it feel like that it's going to end soon? =P Blackbird said: I don't get it all, there is only 2 chapters of Last Exile: Ginyoku no Fam but how in the world did they cover into anime? The anime is original; the manga is an adaption of the anime |
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| What are that supposted to mean? Isn't usually is opposited? Blackbird said: I don't get it all, there is only 2 chapters of Last Exile: Ginyoku no Fam but how in the world did they cover into anime? The anime is original; the manga is an adaption of the anime |
BlackbirdOct 21, 2011 7:30 PM
Nothing ventured, nothing gained (Girls und Panzer der Film ) / from Nishizumi Miho |
| Well, it's not uncommon for original animes to have manga adaptions Like Guilty Crown has a manga adaption right now 5 Centimeters per Second for example as well Others: Angel Beats, Black Rock Shooter, Code Geass, etc |
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| Last weeks watch was pretty good, I didn't want the original though. I'm not sure how I liked this week's episode, was a bit fast paced. Wasn't terrible, but I didn't really like it either, but the soundtrack for Last Exile seems to be pretty good. On the side note, I can't take a nation named potato seriously. |
mdzOct 23, 2011 11:38 AM
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| I've got no real complaints about the plot, aside from Luscinia being a little too ridiculously evil while at the same time obviously having a good cause based on the flashbacks. Still, so far the pace is exciting, the plot is a little more solidly there than Last Exile's ever was, and I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of the series. What I'm not as found of is our two mains. What Fam pulled this episode was absolutely ridiculous. It's the kind of thing Claus might have spent the entire series building to accomplish. Now, I know these are different series, and it's not like they have to be similar, but personally I find the budding prodigy more interesting than the goddess of wind. I can't believe Fam was impressed by a mere Immelmann turn in the first episode. |
| ^Who cares about the girls, as long as we have Dio... |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
Magebane said: If this show continues like this it wont come even close to how good the original was. Bold decision to start right into the war, but it will miss a lot of emotional impact if not done correctly. Places and people we never got to really see or know got wiped out... tragic I suppose, but rather than being sad I was just wondering how the exile moon/ship worked. And what is it with that incomprehensibly retarded shounen rescue 'plan' and flight through the mysteriously large engine compartment. They wanted to hand the second princess to the enemy too? The main cast seems a bit lacking, the three girls don't seem that interesting right know, thought it's quite unfair to judge so soon. Hope they turn out more interesting than a bird-brained wonder-pilot, haughty princess from the ivory tower and a motherly smart girl, who happily agrees to her companions every stupid idea. The show's pretty as a picture and the concept and the world are original and intriguing. Can't say anything about the plot yet, hopefully they have good things in store for us. The show has quite big boots to fill, so I guess I'm overly critical, but this can easily become the show of the year, if they do it right. I wanted to write a long text to explain how these first two episodes were totally lacking as an introduction and simply missed the point, how the characters were uninteresting at the moment and how the direction felt boring and uninvolving and how baffled I was when I saw the girls' ridiculous plan to rescue the older princess (it's basically as stupid as three unarmed civilians attacking the whole American fleet with one hovercraft IRL...) but I guess you pretty much summed up everything, so... Well, I'm extremely dissapointed by this introduction, especially seeing how clever and enthralling the first two episodes of Last Exile were. A shame. |
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| So far rather disapotied in this serise and hate the ships in it and most of the stuffy that going on don't mack much since and so many questions left un answered. argg I also find it anoing we didn't get to meet them liek int her tohers and . So far thi serse is fail |
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| I'm with Magebane, Jacut, and imperlast... I'm dropping this show for now and I guess I'll watch it later if the reviews suddenly do a 180 but Episode 2 was absolutely ludicrous. |
| Favorite Animes: Infinite Ryvius, Now and Then, Here and There, Kimagure Orange Road Castle of Heroes: Free Browser-based Multiplayer Strategy RPG (yes I made it and am very happy to share it :)) |
| 2 episodes in and 19 episodes to go. And we are already complaining about the lacks for character developments and plot progressions. Just because this is a sequel doesn't mean it has to be exactly the same as the first one in term of the story execution, etc. I have to agree that the rescuing part was unnecessary, and it served no other purposes than injecting some exciting actions. |
With this episode, the anime has now caught up to the manga (currently at chapter 3). From here on out, everything we see will be new. A couple of differences:
Just as I expected, the revelation of Exile was quite dramatic. Hitomi Kuroishi's music really brought out the emotions with this episode. Sadly, this defense plan is bogus...  It reads: Dear Father About the invasion of Imperial The invasion and occupation of [Iraq] International Socialist Review, September/October The invasion and occupation of Iraq is one of the greatest crimes in the history of imperialism. According to a study published in the British medical journal, the Lancet, there were 665,000 excess deaths between 2003 and 2006 attributable to the occupation. The United Nations reports that the United States has created the biggest refugee crisis in Middle East since the Israeli expulsion of Palestinians in 1948. Iraq, which once had the living standards of Greece in the 1970s, You get the point... The majority of the text comes from this. Subliminal messaging? |
arsonalOct 24, 2011 3:56 AM
masserati94 said: If I have to hear the words "Fam Fan Fan" Said that many times again, I may just shoot myself. Yeah, I don't like Fam. Who does? :P masserati94 said: Urgh, Dio was the only good thing about this episode really, although I'm still confused as to why he turned sane throughout the majority of the episode. I loved him beeing insane! T_T He was such a wonderful unpredictable character, and now... What they did to him? And don't you think he should be more mature now? I mean, remember how he looked like at the end of the first series? He practically wasn't a child any more... No wonder, after all he came through. I think he might get knock on his had badly after he felt from his vanship XD masserati94 said: It's good to see Exile in again as well, but ummmm, seriously? People came from the stars? People are aliens now? Well, it was in first series as well. But my question is - what was that moon like ship, because Last Exile looks totaly different (it could be seen at the beggining of first episode). |
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arsonal said: With this episode, the anime has now caught up to the manga (currently at chapter 3). From here on out, everything we see will be new. A couple of differences:
Just as I expected, the revelation of Exile was quite dramatic. Hitomi Kuroishi's music really brought out the emotions with this episode. Sadly, this defense plan is bogus... It reads: Dear Father About the invasion of Imperial The invasion and occupation of [Iraq] International Socialist Review, September/October The invasion and occupation of Iraq is one of the greatest crimes in the history of imperialism. According to a study published in the British medical journal, the Lancet, there were 665,000 excess deaths between 2003 and 2006 attributable to the occupation. The United Nations reports that the United States has created the biggest refugee crisis in Middle East since the Israeli expulsion of Palestinians in 1948. Iraq, which once had the living standards of Greece in the 1970s, You get the point... The majority of the text comes from this. Subliminal messaging? LOLOL I can't take this show seriously anymore. |
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| I actually really like the plot-line so far, and I look forward to it developing further. In addition to this, I also really enjoyed this episode; sure it may be 'crazy', but compared to a lot of anime's that are released these days it was quite good. As for the bogus letter, that is quite funny. I was wondering, isn't that letter written in Greek? lol |
| Still rather meh, especially the characters. If it doesn't get better soon, I'll drop it and just download the soundtrack instead, since it's this series' one saving grace thus far. |
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Tenchio said: Still rather meh, especially the characters. If it doesn't get better soon, I'll drop it and just download the soundtrack instead, since it's this series' one saving grace thus far. The soundtrack is EXACTLY the same as in the oryginal series. It is very beautifull indeed, but still - it's nothing new here. |
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| out of all the series this season I am enjoying this the most. I don't quite understand all the hate but whatever. |
| After a marginally impressive series premiere, and having just watched the second episode, color me disappointed. Most of Last Exile's (original) weaknesses have seemed to transfer to the new series, while creating new issues altogether (plucky and naive young girls given tasks of [too] great enormity). As for the aforementioned original weaknesses, while I do think Last Exile was a great series, it was more than occasionally sloppy in its handling of exposition and uneven characterization, with the biggest issue being this: who are these characters, REALLY, and why should I care for them? While it had its troubles regarding characters, to me, Claus and Lavi at least had a compelling back-story going for them from the start, and it was immediately obvious that while they were talented in their respective roles, they were still ultimately children in over their heads, and was at least eloquently handled in that regard. In contrast to its weaknesses, however, one thing I think Last Exile handled brilliantly was the way it effectively depicted the despair and bitterness that comes with war and loss, all seemingly abandoned in the sequel series in favor of light-hearted banter, situations of exaggerated emotions and stakes, and no real gravity in regards to the weight and burden of war; every exploded ship I've seen thus far might has well been crew-less, because outside of the main cast of protagonists and antagonists, there's been a startling lack of any human-element. Don't get me wrong - while having a cast of moe adolescent girls isn't my biggest cup of tea, its the general betrayal of the series' spirit that has me the most disappointed; I just don't feel the stakes or care for the characters in the way the first series could, despite its shortcomings. As for my complaints specifically regarding episode 2: - Fam's ludicrously reckless (suicidal) and naive attempt to save Millia's sister - Luscinia's abrupt decision to give semi-cryptic exposition to clueless children (*wink* *wink* audience!) - Liliana, just like Alvis from the first series, is some seemingly meta-human key to the antagonist's plans (again), making her a weak and forced plot-point Perhaps the biggest issue I’m having with this series, however, again, is the choice Gonzo made to make the main cast of characters, even many of the supporting characters; adolescent, moe girls. I understand that moe is kind of a big thing in the anime industry right now, but really? Must you cave-in that much to the industry’s status-quo? Take in to consideration the intended demographic of Last Exile – Its target audience and what it’s trying to accomplish thematically, in accordance. If this series is indeed trying to tell an even generally serious story, it must do a good job of evoking empathy for the characters; that is, making their plights, ambitions, and general emotions something relatable to our own. Forgive me, then, when I have a hard time suspending my disbelief that you’re trusting your teenage daughter and her best friend to transport around the princess of a powerful kingdom in the midst of a war, despite their skills with a vanship – how about their emotional maturity, and the ability to analyze situations logically? As a 22-year-old male, which I wouldn’t be surprised to be about the median age of the demographic, I have a hard time relating to such characters, cuteness be damned. Now I’m starting to ramble, so I’m just going to leave it with this; I really liked Last Exile, and while I don’t think it was perfect, it had an inspired vision and ultimately engaging cast of characters and story to boot. While I haven’t counted Fam out yet, we’re certainly off to a rocky start and I don’t like what I’m seeing. Despite all of the negatives, I still must commend Gonzo on the general (technical) quality of production, and especially like the music, which seems to be in the exact same spirit. Either there needs to be a time-skip or serious fleshing-out of character for our heroines, otherwise this emotional disconnect, I fear, will only deepen; do something to make me feel for these characters. (Sorry for any incoherencies, redundancies and/or sloppy-writing in general, as my standards went completely out the window with this one) |
DangerrOct 24, 2011 2:05 PM
DangerMouseDM said: At this point in the first show we were just getting started, so the Disith ships may as well have been empty and Claus and Lavie's views were the ones that pointed out the meaning of the lives being lost on the Anatoray ships, they were officers and soldiers who were going to continue fighting and dying and we never saw the people on most of those Anatory ships that actually went down, it's only later that all of this was further fleshed out. And then there's the powerful sad weighty mood that the visuals and music together created in the part where we see the bodies of the Lasas crew that Alauda slaughtered as he makes his escape with Liliana. Ofcourse we haven't seen the burdens of war yet, the war just started and Fam and the others were only on the periphery of it until Liliana was taken and now we're starting to see the burdens of war as Millia's country has been devastated which you could see the horror of on her face in the rain as ep 2 powerfully came to an end. I think this episode demonstrated that it has the potential to reach the same great heights which is all I can ask merely two eps in and hope it reaches or surpasses it's potential as the story continues and as they flesh this cast out, bring in more, and bring in the returning characters. In the very first episode(s) of the series, we were given a spectacle battle between Disith and Anatory fleets - mostly from the Anatory perspective. What I liked about that episode was the depiction of battle; the way the officers of their ships held fanatically to their ideals of chivalry, their archaic and at the same time barbaric use of musketeers (Shetland put a great impression on me in this episode). The difference between LE and Fam, to me, is that LE's opener was *convincing*, in that it didn't require steep suspensions of disbelief for me to be invested in its world and characters. Battles, skirmishes, and wars are dark by their very nature, and I felt that the opening episodes of LE captured this aspect admirably; LE could be unerringly brutal in its depictions of violence when it wanted to be, though Fam has yet to display such a willingness to go so far. Yes, In episode 2 we were treated to a greater deal of drama, though it all just felt too clean and convenient to me, as it seemed to forsake all subtlety in favor of convenient exposition and emotional conflicts. While Millia unquestionably had to face harsh realities this episode, it really didn't do much to make me care for her character, as she hasn't yet earned my sympathy. I did find her exchange with her father somewhat touching, but it all seemed really standard and obligatory for me; there just didn't seem to be a lot of substance in the scene and exchange. Another thing that bugs me about her character is how recklessly she would throw away her life an a futile attempt to save her sister, effectively killing off the royalty of Turan in one fell-swoop. This is just getting into personal nitpicks, however, and are not real pressing flaws of the show. An objective complaint I have with the episode was her exchange with Luscinia, being far too convenient in a storytelling-sense; such a scene illustrates a lack of subtlety and good storytelling, having the young princess of a kingdom attempting to assasinate the premeire of an invading nation, at the service of two young-girl vanship pilots. Its situations like this, you see, that pushes my suspension of disbelief to its limits, despite the fact its anime; something that attempts to come off as serious and grounded at least somewhat in reality, needs to seriously immerse, and it's just something I couldn't completely do. Hell, this show may turn out to address every complaint I've had and then some, but it still can't help the fact that the episodes up to this point have been weak, because the narrative structure of storytelling isn't meant to work retroactively; effective storytelling should attempt to immerse and appeal throughout all of the work, not just in segments. I'm glad you've been able to enjoy the show, but it just hasn't been nearly as convincing or engaging to me as LE was. |
| I'm really trying to find some satisfaction/entertainment from this show, but the worst thing going for this show is being related to the original (which was fantastic). Well that and I can't help from falling asleep. It's only been two episodes but it's really looking grim. Another major drawback is that the majority of characters are boring. I'm having a really hard time caring for any of them. :'( |
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Uncanny said: As for the bogus letter, that is quite funny. I was wondering, isn't that letter written in Greek? lol Everything you see in Greek letters are usually written in English, with the individual lettering changed. If you have a grasp of a majority of Greek letters, you should be able to transcribe it. For example, on the side of Dio's vanship are lettering that read "Long live Sky Pirates! Long live Kaltafare!" Dangerr said: While Millia unquestionably had to face harsh realities this episode, it really didn't do much to make me care for her character, as she hasn't yet earned my sympathy. I did find her exchange with her father somewhat touching, but it all seemed really standard and obligatory for me; there just didn't seem to be a lot of substance in the scene and exchange. Another thing that bugs me about her character is how recklessly she would throw away her life an a futile attempt to save her sister, effectively killing off the royalty of Turan in one fell-swoop. You're in for a big surprise because we've not seen the full spectrum of Millia's character yet. She will undergo a big transformation in the next episode or two. We're only scratching the surface of the characters in the first two episodes. |
| Holy crap the animation quality of the 2D stuff dropped like a rock from the first episode. |
| WTF??? Do I have to once again endure another World War II plot, where the Nazis (well duh, the Federation doesn't look anything else but the Third Reich) have the upper hand in the early stages of the war but eventually lose after much pain, hardships and suffering by the other side which would eventually inspire them to victory? |
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Magebane said: And what is it with that incomprehensibly retarded shounen rescue 'plan' and flight through the mysteriously large engine compartment. They wanted to hand the second princess to the enemy too? They're hot-shot teenager pilots (read: "think they are immortal behind the wheel", as my friends and I did at that age) in an emotionally charged environment with a souped up high performance airship, AND they are used to being shot at - Fam and Giselle are the leads for a bunch of pirates, after all. Rational Thought had absolutely nothing to do with their decision to try to rescue the older sister, and I for one would have been disappointed had they done anything else. I really, really liked this episode. It was FUN |
CratexNov 1, 2011 5:05 PM
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| Really not sure what to make of that letter, however. |
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| Hmm, I'm a bit skeptical but I'm holding out hope. I agree that the original Last Exile had a much more compelling opening to the season than these two episodes, but I don't think many of the other criticisms are fair. Two episodes isn't the point where you complain about how the characters aren't fleshed out enough, that's more something you can say near the end of a series. I like a lot of things going on here, even though it's missing that magic. I think it will be an okay show at least, I hope it will be good. |
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| Its only now that I truly realize how long this damn series is. I don't know...if I'm gonna make it you guys.. |
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| Damn that's nice, and well it makes you wonder if Liliana perhaps is the daughter from Alvis or is that to far off? Well I do wonder how she holds that power though! Either way quite nice development let's see what's next! |
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| I still have no idea about what's happening. Which world is this in? Are those white-haired guys Guild guys or something? I'm so confused. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| Where does the thing about the contents of the letter even come from? https://lastexile.fandom.com/wiki/Fool%27s_Mate That's not what's written inside... Maybe they changed it for Blurays, idk. |
St0rmbladeJul 24, 2021 3:56 PM
| Too much stupidity in actions of the "good" side. ...and study the history at least, people. If Dio still alive - many should still know what the Exile is! |
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