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Sep 16, 2010 7:36 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Wow, this huge mobile suit was really impressive!
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Feb 7, 2012 11:01 AM
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I thought I was going to puke during that episode. Thank God all this Stella and Shinn crap is over.
Apr 6, 2012 12:52 PM
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Hah, its a tribute to Psycho gundam.
Nov 16, 2012 6:20 AM
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Oh man, my thoughts precisely. Just I wouldn't say that Shinn is retarded, he's just... not too smart. Or writers aren't.
And Stella had to survive just to say few dramatic words before she dies...
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And of course now I am pretty sure Shinn is going to try to kill Kira for what he did.

Sure as hell he will.
May 10, 2013 10:47 PM
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;.;

I'm going to miss Stella tbh. I find her character more appealing than Flay from season 1. Too bad she had to kill a lot of people and was manipulated much of her life. But ya, Sunrise went a bit overboard this time lol
Jan 24, 2014 6:00 PM
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Stella is slightly more appealing than Flay, but I don't really care for either of them. And surprise surprise, they have the same voice actor. No tears were shed.

And oh hey there Mu. I always wondered if that really was Mu or not, I mean with the same VA and all. Don't tell me he has amnesia or some shit and that's why he's with the Earth Alliance this time. Well whatever it is, I'm looking forward to finding out.

guidodi said:

Are the writers of this anime retarded? Is Shinn retarded?
And of course now I am pretty sure Shinn is going to try to kill Kira for what he did.

Shinn is...being Shinn. Yes the writers suck and must hate their characters. Especially Shinn. Which makes me wonder why make a character like him in the first place if he ain't gonna get proper character development and thinks that the world revolves around him and the people he interacts with. If he tries to kill Kira for stopping someone who was destroying a city and killing LOTS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, he's got his priorities wrong and would be blaming the wrong person. He needs to blame Neo in the first place for going back on his promise. And blame himself too for giving her back, really.
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tingy said:
Stella is slightly more appealing than Flay, but I don't really care for either of them. And surprise surprise, they have the same voice actor.

Surprise indeed. I never noticed that
She has also voiced Natarle Badgiruel, Rey Za Burrel in his boyhood and Via Hibiki, Kira Yamato's biological mother in season 1
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Serhiyko said:
tingy said:
Stella is slightly more appealing than Flay, but I don't really care for either of them. And surprise surprise, they have the same voice actor.

Surprise indeed. I never noticed that
She has also voiced Natarle Badgiruel, Rey Za Burrel in his boyhood and Via Hibiki, Kira Yamato's biological mother in season 1


I also find her more appealing as well although her lack of personality is a bit...well, hard to get used to at first. Well it can't be helped from where she came from. Same voice actress indeed and she did a terrific job voicing her!

Well anyways, this was one of my favorite episodes awhile ago and I just love her theme song:
http://youtube.com./watch?v=cPGoYbznQV4
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Surprise indeed. I never noticed that
She has also voiced Natarle Badgiruel, Rey Za Burrel in his boyhood and Via Hibiki, Kira Yamato's biological mother in season 1

Yeah I remember seeing how she also voiced Natarle and boy were the voices different. Something else pretty interesting is that they spell her name as "Stellar" in the OPs. Stellar is an anagram for Flay's last name Allster. Just random trivia if you haven't noticed :)

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I also find her more appealing as well although her lack of personality is a bit...well, hard to get used to at first. Well it can't be helped from where she came from. Same voice actress indeed and she did a terrific job voicing her!

Definitely a great voice actor if we couldn't tell that all those characters were voiced by the same person. I got used to Stella's weird personality after sympathizing with how she's a victim of the experiments. But it wasn't enough for me to care much about her.
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Same voice actress indeed and she did a terrific job voicing her!

It's more that her character didn't have much lines to speak, and even those she had were pretty awkward
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The problem with Shinn is that he is blinded by his emotions. I think this was what Athrun was trying to teach him when he slapped him that one time. Too bad Shinn's a slow learner.

Sooo, Berlin was destroyed...That's the heart of Germany!!! You can't just blow that up, bad Stella!

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Even if you are a romantic and you can believe that Shinn falled in love with Stella after spending 1 afternoon with her in his hole life... He betrayed every friend he has, the military, caused the death of who knows how many people all for a girl he saw 1 time?


I don't know why I didn't find it strange but now that you point it out it does sound pretty far-fetched.

And even after watching her kill millions of people, he still protects her.
And his way of thinking... The Alliance did this to Stella, they brainwashed her, I have to protect her and take her back to them. Sure he couldn't leave her on the Minerva but don't take her back, it doesn't make sense.


That's true as well. Even if Shinn did manage to save Stella, he would have to return her to Neo anyway because ZAFT doesn't have the facilities to keep her alive. It's sad, but I don't think Shinn could have even done anything in his situation.

Are the writers of this anime retarded? Is Shinn retarded?
And of course now I am pretty sure Shinn is going to try to kill Kira for what he did.
The writing and plot progression has been abysmal so far. No where near up to the quality of the first season.

And there's no doubt that Shinn is going to hunt Kira down. He probably should be going after Neo though. In fact, if he never let Stella go in the first place she wouldn't have had to die painfully in combat. Shinn should really bang his head on the wall for that one.
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Did Sting just get killed in a random cut-away to some no-name pilot? What a pathetic way to go out if I interpreted that correctly.

The person Shinn should get mad at is "Neo," not Kira. Kira killed something that was about to kill them all, it's totally understandable. Neo broke his promise to keep Stella out of battle. I hope Shinn will channel his anger at the correct person.

Cyber-newtypes are always destined to die young. Far too unstable to live to old age.
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Oh boy this was a carbon copy story of Four and Kamille from Zeta Gundam right down to the death.

And Neo is revealed to be Mu...that's going to throw a wrench in things. I think Shinn is officially going to lose it now and go berserk on Kira.
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My favorite character in Destiny just died, now I need more Lacus.
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(rewatching)

Kira did what he had to. He even stepped back when Shinn managed to calm her down. Too bad.

Neo is revealed to be the man that makes the impossible possible (is there anyone that didn't already figure this out?)

Wow, Shinn gets so much MAL hate.
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BRAVO SHINN. Not even an episode has passed since you returned A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION to the enemy, and surprise, whole Berlin was destroyed. But no, now he's going to be angry because someone killed a mass murderer who destroyed a whole city. Fantastic character. Brilliant. 10/10

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I'm upset that Stella died, only because now Shinn is going to be even more angsty and more of an asshole. I see it coming already.
At least it showed her naked before she died. Hahaha
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I'm upset that Stella died, only because now Shinn is going to be even more angsty and more of an asshole. I see it coming already.

Exactly, Shinn will be even more insufferable than ever now...can't say I look forward to it.
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I find it amusing how the 3 Murasame's took down Sting in Chaos in roughly 2 minutes of an episode, something Athrun has been trying to do for the entire season.
XD

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I cannot agree enough with nearly every single post above: Shinn went from a reasonably angsty teenager to an unbearably stupid, angry bitch who allowed a mass murderer to run rampant without even feeling sorry for it. The writers replaying the one single moment he and Stellar spent together ad nauseam doesn't make their relationship any less of a forced romance. The show spectacularly failed to make me empathize with Stellar's plight as well, with the only thing the writers thought they needed to do being to shove the same three fucking flashbacks down our throats until we got sick of it. Say what you want about Kamille and Four's storyline, but Zeta never stooped to using such cheap tricks to make us care about these two.

At least one positive thing about the whole Shinn/Stellar debacle bullshit, though:

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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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Kira: This is gonna get hellish!!!
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Kira: Hyper SEED Mode ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!
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I sympathize with Flay lots more, but poor Stella too :( I couldn't see any other way out sadly, given the situation.
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That bitch finally died, thank god.
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Oh my god what the fuck were they thinking with this, for starters this whole romantic subplot could work if it had any actual development, but it was rushed through so god damn quickly despite stella being there from the start, shinn went from a perfectly reasonably angsty kid who arguably was really right in his criticsms of the people around him especially orb, but the show has just turned him into a raving lunatic and above all else a freaking idiot

And then on top off all this, what the actual fuck kira, you go off and off this whole fucking series about how you wont kill anyone anymore even when your actions are not helping the conflict at all and just got people killed anyway, and now you go and break that oath now where its convenient for the plot to make shinn an antagonist to you.

Fuck this show, just fuck it.

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Oh fuck the dub version of Shinn and Stellar naked scene is too much cringe I feel I want to thrust my eardrums after hearing that.

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And then on top off all this, what the actual fuck kira, you go off and off this whole fucking series about how you wont kill anyone anymore even when your actions are not helping the conflict at all and just got people killed anyway, and now you go and break that oath now where its convenient for the plot to make shinn an antagonist to you.


I don't think Kira meant to kill her since he didn't aim the cockpit. He only wanted to stop the laser from being fired. It's purely coincidental or let's say accident.


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Oh fuck the dub version of Shinn and Stellar naked scene is too much cringe I feel I want to thrust my eardrums after hearing that.

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And then on top off all this, what the actual fuck kira, you go off and off this whole fucking series about how you wont kill anyone anymore even when your actions are not helping the conflict at all and just got people killed anyway, and now you go and break that oath now where its convenient for the plot to make shinn an antagonist to you.


I don't think Kira meant to kill her since he didn't aim the cockpit. He only wanted to stop the laser from being fired. It's purely coincidental or let's say accident.
Yeah i get that, my issue with it, is this is directly following multiple conflicts where he shows up to be a mr morally superior saying everyone shouldn't kill, conflicts which you can argue he's responsible for getting some people killed at, then he just shows up here and proves that ideological talking point wrong except the show never once stops the address this and make it a potential character flaw or point of reflection.

I'm frustrated cause this is really shitting on the previous series and what it was going for, kira spends over half the series being traumatized by the fact hes slaughtering people, and even when hes given the freedom and attempts to save people he still finds people dying even after going out of his way to save them. Then to top it off in the finale he still realizes that while he can avoid killing as much as possible he simply cant avoid it outright so we see him taking out a couple ships and the big one rau crucet. Kira's ideology had conflict and was challenged, we see his ideology have dents in it that even he gives into emotion over especially when he just outright goes vengeful again Rau in the final fight. Then fucking destiny rolls around and suddenly hes mr perfect telling everyone what to do and never really being in the wrong, at least thats what everyone in the show implies, cause the show is just so tone deaf for what its going for and how its writing its characters it fails at every turn to make character flaws and just has either outright wrong characters being paraded around as innocent, or simply absolute retards that cause conflict for the sake of tragedy.



and it only gets worse from here, i was surprised how much i liked destiny up until a few episodes ago, like ep 28 or something, but everything past that, holy shit was a disaster.

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Darn, the Earth Union was already near the top of the "most evil factions in Gundam" list, but now they're giving Zeon a run for their money by wiping out the cities they are ostensibly supposed to be protecting from "the enemy".




Shinn, why are you DEFENDING the machine that is in the middle of comitting MASS MURDER? Thousands of people are DYING because you're protecting that machine! Also, WTH did you expect when you handed the enemy's psycho pilot... back to the enemy? What, that they were going to discharge her?

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guidodi said:

Are the writers of this anime retarded? Is Shinn retarded?
And of course now I am pretty sure Shinn is going to try to kill Kira for what he did.

Shinn is...being Shinn. Yes the writers suck and must hate their characters.


I read that at the time, everyone thought that the writer had lost her marbles, but then in hindsight it seemed to be the result of undiagnosed brain cancer (to which she would succumb a few years later). Still doesn't make sense why the producer allowed to the show to go into production without the scripts finished.

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The writing and plot progression has been abysmal so far. No where near up to the quality of the first season.


Eh, the first 20 episodes of Destiny were on par with the first season. After that the season begins crapping on its characters, but the moment to moment pacing of the show is still good, nice music, and fun fights.
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Even if he was being a hypocrite like some users said, at least Kira did the right thing by killing Stella since she WIPED OUT the entirety of Berlin. The end of the episode marks the end of Shinn's sanity. Sad since I wanted him to mature like Yzak and Kamille (Zeta) did.
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The cyber newtype is dead! Who would've thought!



...except for the fact that in Z and especially in ZZ it was much better and poignant.
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I really can't stand shinn at all, his character has not changed one bit, he's still a petulant brat. Stella I never really saw as a love interest, that's messed up. I liked her but for different reasons and i'm sad she's gone but at the same time i just don't think there was any saving her at that point. it would have been kinder to just take her off of the life support. 
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I think that stella got what she deserved, i liked her and i pityed her but after destroying an entire city with all of its people i think she was not redeemable.
Obviously now shinn will be more unbearable and bratty than before, attacking Kira, because only the people that shinn like are allowed to live, the others are not important and they can die.
So Neo was Mu La Flaga. I'm quite Happy to know he is alive, maybe he has been brainwashed by the earth Alliance.
I'm curious to see what's next.
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