| This is a question for those of you who don't watch historical anime: why not? I'm not saying you're wrong or that you should watch them. I'm just curious about what you think of them. Is it because it's "boring"? - What about them is boring to you? Characters sitting around and talking? Complicated plot and lack of focus? Lack of relatability? Is it because you have no interest in history in general, or you don't know much about the specific historical setting? - Does it bother you when you're not familiar with the setting of a historical anime? Why? Do you still enjoy fantasy/sci-fi anime whose setting you're not familiar with? Is it because it's 'real life', and you prefer to see more fantasy/sci-fi in anime? - If it's a "historical-adjacent" anime, set in feudal Japan with monsters, for example, would you watch it? Have you watched shows like that? What anime do you think of when you hear "historical anime," anyway? - If you don't have one, what kind of anime do you picture? Personally speaking, I find history somewhat interesting, and I respond to historical anime similar to how I would respond to a fantasy anime, so I would like to hear a different perspective. |
| I dont dislike historical anime. I dislike boring anime. If an historical anime is boring, thats not my fault. |
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| For me, they are often a bit boring, but I have watched a couple of interesting ones, like: - Anime 80-nichikan Sekai Isshuu - Kaguya-hime no Monogatari - Koihime†Musou - Mushishi - Neko Neko Nihonshi - Sengoku Otome: Momoiro Paradox - Uchi no Shishou wa Shippo ga Nai |
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| Straight-up, I don't. Historical as in "takes place around when it was made, which was over four and a half decades ago" (Which is a number that), or historical as in "taking place over four and a half decades before the anime came out", it doesn't really matter. I relate to characters based on who they are and what they go through, no matter the setting. There aren't a huge amount on my list so far, but for anime like Takarajima, Oi! Ryouma (God this one needs a fansubber, it's a hidden gem waiting to be made easily accessible), Versailles no Bara, or Haikara-san ga Tooru (Glad this one's finally getting fansubs by subgroup [sorcery], and is up to episode 12), I had no trouble with any of those things mentioned. |
Daviljoe193Jun 8, 2024 10:11 PM
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| Honestly, I don't. I'm a major history nerd, and it dwarfs all my other skills and talents with the exceptions of pistol shooting, screening potential bad actors, and firearm identification. I don't really watch many historical anime because:
However, I do really like historical-adjacent anime, either where its a completely different setting but has some familiar elements (see Army of Darkness starring Bruce Campbell for an example of what I mean. It's an alternate universe of the world of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, but the countries in the movie have never existed). Berserk falls into this category very loosely. I say loosely because the part that adds it to the category is it's portrayal of bladed and blunt weapons, as well as armor, cuirasses, greaves and the like. This does, of course, exclude Guts's Dragon Slayer for obvious reasons. None of Beserk's story elements excluding the fact that kingdoms exist would make it historically-adjacent story-wise. That is all I have to say on the topic. I do, however, plan to watch Golden Kamuy at some point. Heard it's quite good. |
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| Because I can only enjoy anime when there's a character punching someone |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
Reply to Phosphophyllita
Because I can only enjoy anime when there's a character punching someone
Phosphophyllita said: Because I can only enjoy anime when there's a character punching someone That's how I beat Fallout 1, you know. |
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| Most historical anime just feel like pseudo fantasy anime with a historical setting mixed with a lot of anime-isms. It feels like there's a lack of serious grounded historical anime that are more akin to a live action show |
| I don't dislike them, but I start with the prejudice that they're gonna be boring. Not all of them have been, I just have a prejudice, but I'd say that that has been true for 60% from what I've watched. |
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perseii said: Is it because it's "boring"? - What about them is boring to you? Characters sitting around and talking? Complicated plot and lack of focus? Lack of relatability? Since when is historical anime just sitting around and talking?? Sure there are some like that, just like there are some anime from other genres like that If this is a real complaint this is just as dumb as the people who say all battle shounen is mindless junk |
| Most of them are not even historical, a show which just happens decades/centuries ago but there isn't anything else to add, any historical events, any historical personas, not even accurate than it is not even historical to me. Especially that after History and Archaeological studies, many mistakes and inaccuracies just trigers my soul while watching such shows [non-anime stuff counts too]. @Phosphophyllita Than you should parry this, as there's one full cgi historical anime [it at least have a little bit of historical stuff], about fist fights in Ancient Rome: |
Reply to Damnits
Honestly, I don't. I'm a major history nerd, and it dwarfs all my other skills and talents with the exceptions of pistol shooting, screening potential bad actors, and firearm identification.
I don't really watch many historical anime because:
However, I do really like historical-adjacent anime, either where its a completely different setting but has some familiar elements (see Army of Darkness starring Bruce Campbell for an example of what I mean. It's an alternate universe of the world of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, but the countries in the movie have never existed). Berserk falls into this category very loosely. I say loosely because the part that adds it to the category is it's portrayal of bladed and blunt weapons, as well as armor, cuirasses, greaves and the like. This does, of course, exclude Guts's Dragon Slayer for obvious reasons. None of Beserk's story elements excluding the fact that kingdoms exist would make it historically-adjacent story-wise.
That is all I have to say on the topic.
I do, however, plan to watch Golden Kamuy at some point. Heard it's quite good.
I don't really watch many historical anime because:
- I already do so much consumption of historical media that it can make a bit of a burnout for me.
- I find that a lot of historical anime choose very serious or strict plots.
- They adhere to a lot of history, and because most historical anime is feudal Japan (a topic I am not well versed in,) a lot of in-depth historical references and general Japanese history taught in Japanese schools will go right over my head.
However, I do really like historical-adjacent anime, either where its a completely different setting but has some familiar elements (see Army of Darkness starring Bruce Campbell for an example of what I mean. It's an alternate universe of the world of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, but the countries in the movie have never existed). Berserk falls into this category very loosely. I say loosely because the part that adds it to the category is it's portrayal of bladed and blunt weapons, as well as armor, cuirasses, greaves and the like. This does, of course, exclude Guts's Dragon Slayer for obvious reasons. None of Beserk's story elements excluding the fact that kingdoms exist would make it historically-adjacent story-wise.
That is all I have to say on the topic.
I do, however, plan to watch Golden Kamuy at some point. Heard it's quite good.
Damnits said: I find that a lot of historical anime choose very serious or strict plots If you want a good historical comedy try Da Li Si Rizhi :3 |
| Not dislike, but I do avoid because I don't have much interest in history in general. And now that you mentioned about not relating with the settings, that's probably why.. since I'm not that excited about fantasy/sci-fi either. I prefer modern real life setting in any media I consume. |
Reply to Zettaiken
Most of them are not even historical, a show which just happens decades/centuries ago but there isn't anything else to add, any historical events, any historical personas, not even accurate than it is not even historical to me.
Especially that after History and Archaeological studies, many mistakes and inaccuracies just trigers my soul while watching such shows [non-anime stuff counts too].
@Phosphophyllita
Than you should parry this, as there's one full cgi historical anime [it at least have a little bit of historical stuff], about fist fights in Ancient Rome:
Especially that after History and Archaeological studies, many mistakes and inaccuracies just trigers my soul while watching such shows [non-anime stuff counts too].
@Phosphophyllita
Than you should parry this, as there's one full cgi historical anime [it at least have a little bit of historical stuff], about fist fights in Ancient Rome:
| @Zettaiken And now i'm curious, which are these anime with a ton of inaccuracies? |
perseii said: What anime do you think of when you hear "historical anime," anyway? Pre-computer age setting (up to WW2 era) |
| I dunno, maybe because I relate history to a lesson and not entertainment. |
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@Zettaiken And now i'm curious, which are these anime with a ton of inaccuracies?
| @DigiCat Demon Slayer - Demons and real history x), not to mention fantasy super powers.. Vinland Saga - Warriors being able to cut through armour like paper, few men running with a drakkar on their back like it weigths nothing, Thorkell throwing a whole ass tree and destroying a ship by that yeah... , Leif Erikson being old - the portrayal of London Bridge in S1 is in 1014, Leif Erikson was born in 975 and died in 1020 he has never reached an elder age like in anime is shown, not to mention that Thorfin Karlsfeni who's supposed to be the character of Thorfin was only 5 years younger than Leif. Jomsborg up to this day is a legend not a fact, and it is connected with Wolin located in Poland so their appearance is highly questionable, aswell as Canute was born in 996, much younger than Thorfin, father got quite a bit of Polish warriors for their conquest of England cause back than they were allies [Canute's mother was a daughter of Mieszko I, the first historical ruler of Poland] and so on as I am not even interested to go in depth to verify equipment nor all of the events. [But at least Vinland has some history in it, compared to Demon Slayer which is only set in past times] Touken Ranbu - that's just sword of Nobunaga being humans in some parallel dimension. Gintama - it is mainly a comedy, I don't recall seeing in internet people saying anything about historical events, tho it is set in the past as DS Hell's Paradise - self explanatory Kaizoku Oujo - fights, Eden, some other stuff which I already forgot. Cestvs: The Roman Fighter - For that one I ain't sure for the pugilatus being that popular in early Empire times, aswell as fights and other stuff too, especially that MC is 15 yo slave, as for ancient time usually 16 was the time of consideration to begin someone to train for being a soldier/accepting to service, Greeks would accept younger boys [excluding some trainings as here I mention training and service in battles, real death risks], Romans would accept older so a 15 yo fist fighter which back than Boxing was lethal as hell, it ain't right. Joran - monsters in the past Mars Red - Vampires Kabaneri - Zombie type of Apocalypse and diverce technology cause of it Jojo part 1 - I guess it is expected why I ain't against the idea of these shows, like with Kabaneri but the only thing it has with "history" is just because it happens in the past, and that's all. If I would have being specialised in specific times in details/seen more shows I'd be able to write here more. |
ZettaikenJun 9, 2024 2:35 AM
| https://myanimelist.net/anime/genre/13/Historical are these what you're referring to?? well i love kny |
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Neko Neko Nihonshi is easily the most historical anime I have ever watched. It has tons of historical figures and events. And of course, the best part is the fact that most of the characters are represented as cats. =^_^= Sadly, only the first 3 seasons out of 5 have been subbed. |
SerafosJun 9, 2024 2:57 AM
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| @LoveYourSmile I made a stack with some of my fav historical anime :3 https://myanimelist.net/stacks/17332 |
| I don't have an interest in history in general. To me, there's something so fascinating about something that came completely from someone's mind and imagination. That's why when there's a whole world that's created from scratch, it's so interesting to me (e.g. One Piece). Actually, whenever I hear a piece of media is based on a true story, I get kind of disappointed. I like the idea of there being an intention behind every event, or something like that. Rather than something that 'happened', I'm more interested in something that was 'created'. I guess that's why I'm not into documentaries either. But even historical settings disinterest me. Like I don't mind military media, but when it's based on an actual war, I get uninterested. You know, I don't actually understand why I don't like them. This is me trying to reason with myself, but I'm not fully convinced with what I'm saying. In short, idk. |
| @LoveYourSmile https://myanimelist.net/anime/54492/Kusuriya_no_Hitorigoto Brilliant female MC (especially her amusing stoicism) and lots of lovely ladies. |
perseii said: Is it because it's "boring"? I think World Masterpiece Theater is boring. perseii said: Does it bother you when you're not familiar with the setting of a historical anime? Why? Do you still enjoy fantasy/sci-fi anime whose setting you're not familiar with? The difference is that a writer may expect us to be familiar with history. Details explained in fantastical settings will go unexplained in realistic settings. Ayako is a particularly egregious manga that reads like nonsense a mere 50 years after it was written; I'm surprised it was even translated. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to Zettaiken
Most of them are not even historical, a show which just happens decades/centuries ago but there isn't anything else to add, any historical events, any historical personas, not even accurate than it is not even historical to me.
Especially that after History and Archaeological studies, many mistakes and inaccuracies just trigers my soul while watching such shows [non-anime stuff counts too].
@Phosphophyllita
Than you should parry this, as there's one full cgi historical anime [it at least have a little bit of historical stuff], about fist fights in Ancient Rome:
Especially that after History and Archaeological studies, many mistakes and inaccuracies just trigers my soul while watching such shows [non-anime stuff counts too].
@Phosphophyllita
Than you should parry this, as there's one full cgi historical anime [it at least have a little bit of historical stuff], about fist fights in Ancient Rome:
Zettaiken said: @DigiCatMost of them are not even historical, a show which just happens decades/centuries ago but there isn't anything else to add, any historical events, any historical personas, not even accurate than it is not even historical to me. Especially that after History and Archaeological studies, many mistakes and inaccuracies just trigers my soul while watching such shows [non-anime stuff counts too]. That is my primary criticism of Buddha. What is even the point of writing a story about a real person if the entire thing is made up? |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to Lucifrost
Zettaiken said:
Most of them are not even historical, a show which just happens decades/centuries ago but there isn't anything else to add, any historical events, any historical personas, not even accurate than it is not even historical to me.
Especially that after History and Archaeological studies, many mistakes and inaccuracies just trigers my soul while watching such shows [non-anime stuff counts too].
@DigiCatMost of them are not even historical, a show which just happens decades/centuries ago but there isn't anything else to add, any historical events, any historical personas, not even accurate than it is not even historical to me.
Especially that after History and Archaeological studies, many mistakes and inaccuracies just trigers my soul while watching such shows [non-anime stuff counts too].
That is my primary criticism of Buddha. What is even the point of writing a story about a real person if the entire thing is made up?
| @Lucifrost That would be the point towards many characters. The story which was made at least back than had a purpose or a message to teach, it didn't matter what name you've put or how the person encountered the struggle, many monsters were made up just to teach kids to not lurk into the woods on their own, or stories about warriors or knights just to create an ideal persona to look after to, such as Roland or one of the Roman warrios who stood on his own against enemies [forgot his name, during the Kingdom of Rome times and I ain't that motivated to reread Livy's History of Rome to catch up the name of that guy]. But these are legends or myths, fullfilled with fairy tales or other fictions, while historical events are different especially if you merge it with archeaological resources [which is why many of the past stuff are not that sure up to this day]. It is still fun to read or watch/play such legendary/mythical stuff but it differs from reality. |
| Because it is usually historically inaccurate. Hence, I dislike it. Duh. |
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| I love History but I don't see myself watch Historical anime. Also what is a Historical anime? For example, is a slice of life about high schoolers living in 80's Japan a historical anime? |
doo78 said: To me, there's something so fascinating about something that came completely from someone's mind and imagination. That's why when there's a whole world that's created from scratch, it's so interesting to me (e.g. One Piece). Fair point, I haven't thought of this. I do think historical anime can still get very creative with its story by using the history only as a rough outline or a source of inspiration, but I also understand if you prefer a story to be 100% original. Lucifrost said: The difference is that a writer may expect us to be familiar with history. Details explained in fantastical settings will go unexplained in realistic settings. That is a great point that I kind of forgot about. Likely because it doesn't bother me that much if I don't understand some details in a historical anime. But then again, maybe I just haven't come across a historical anime yet that's outrageously bad at explaining things and has a setting that I'm completely clueless about, like the one you mentioned. |
Ezeved-kun said: Also what is a Historical anime? For example, is a slice of life about high schoolers living in 80's Japan a historical anime? Good question. I should've thought about this first before making the thread, but I'm not really sure how to define it either. Which is why I decided to ask the forum to give their own definition. MAL labels Demon Slayer and JoJo "historical," which I think is ridiculous (it's got demons in it...), but I can kind of understand why. They're not set in "modern day", and its setting is loosely based on/inspired by the past. By that definition, yes, your high school anime in the 80's would be a historical anime, but not if it came out in the 80's/90's, because that would've been "modern day" back then. |
| I don't dislike it. I don't love it either. If it's a good show, then great. |
| I really enjoy Kingdom and Golden Kamuy. Golden Kamuy is fictional though, but with a real time period and historical people and events. It can be very hilarious at times, and has incredible character writing. |
ZakuF_Jun 9, 2024 9:35 PM
| I guess not being well informed on the events taking place (let's say it's feudal Japan) or other historical figures. I mean, I know other country's history can be taught in School, but Japan's wasn't (and also I wasn't in School long lol). If there's nothing there to help me, then I'd probably care even less, as it's not something i would care enough about to find things out on my own. Also I'm more interested in prehistoric animal life more than past civilizations, I mean my hometown was a former Roman walled City, and I just... don't really care lol why couldn't we have Dinosaurs instead. |
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| Japanese historical, Chinese historical anime follow a specific era or character/group too religiously which I find lazy. Apart from that, we need more Historic anime (not of the same periods or people) Example: Oda Nobunaga (they try to gender bend, change the world, change the race, change the species etc) |
Reply to ST63LTH
Japanese historical, Chinese historical anime follow a specific era or character/group too religiously which I find lazy. Apart from that, we need more Historic anime (not of the same periods or people)
Example: Oda Nobunaga (they try to gender bend, change the world, change the race, change the species etc)
Example: Oda Nobunaga (they try to gender bend, change the world, change the race, change the species etc)
| @ST63LTH Time Stranger introduces Oda Nobunaga halfway through the movie only to glorify him as the greatest hero in all of Japanese history. https://myanimelist.net/anime/3115/Toki_no_Tabibito__Time_Stranger |
| その目だれの目？ |
| Would you consider Samurai Champloo to be historical? It has nothing to do with real life as far as I remember but takes place in like the Edo period in Japan. Kind of liked it. |
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Reply to Azuchi
Would you consider Samurai Champloo to be historical?
It has nothing to do with real life as far as I remember but takes place in like the Edo period in Japan. Kind of liked it.
It has nothing to do with real life as far as I remember but takes place in like the Edo period in Japan. Kind of liked it.
| @Azuchi I couldn't tell when the show was supposed to take place when I tried watching it. Samurai Champloo feels heavily anachronistic much as Gintama does. |
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I don't dislike it. I don't love it either. If it's a good show, then great.
Mayahuel said: I don't dislike it. I don't love it either. If it's a good show, then great. Same here as long it's enjoyable or interesting. |
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https://myanimelist.net/anime/genre/13/Historical
are these what you're referring to?? well i love kny
are these what you're referring to?? well i love kny
| @AMBITZZ damn the first anime that can actually be called is the 16th one. Mods?? What are y'all doing? |
| I have nothing against the genre but the problem is the lack of quantities. There is not a lot of historical animes in the industry. You can now handpick a few good historical animes but you'll have to admit that those are pretty hard to find or some other issues that causes them to be unpopular. |
| I don't hate them. I literally have three in my favorites. They just need to have something else to them to make them more interesting for me. Much like sports anime. |
| Partially because historical anime (just like most anime in general) tend to exaggerate things to the point where it's often no longer an accurate portrayal of history in the first place, and partially because if I wanted a history lesson about a specific time period or place I'd rather just read a Wikipedia page. |
| I don't, in fact, historical is one of the best genre of anime. I find the whole setting interesting, because it gives us a glimpse of what it looked like in the past, since we're already living in a modern world. Modern world setting is bland, that's why I like historical or futuristic setting more. It's fun to learn about the past, whether it's fictional or factual, things like the lore of the world, the origin of certain dynasty/reigns are fun to learn. The costume!! The old/classic costumes look really good, whether it's the classic European fashion style, or traditional Japanese or Chinese, they all look very nice. Character quirks or old style of speaking are interesting. For example, royalty have certain way of speaking that is more formal and less casual, it's nice. Another one is that historical anime usually comes with great traditional music. I love traditional music, especially the ones created with strings or woods or bells/chime(?). First anime that comes to mind when I think of historical anime is Saiunkoku Monogatari. |
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| I don't dislike historical anime at all. |
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I don't, in fact, historical is one of the best genre of anime.
I find the whole setting interesting, because it gives us a glimpse of what it looked like in the past, since we're already living in a modern world. Modern world setting is bland, that's why I like historical or futuristic setting more.
It's fun to learn about the past, whether it's fictional or factual, things like the lore of the world, the origin of certain dynasty/reigns are fun to learn.
The costume!! The old/classic costumes look really good, whether it's the classic European fashion style, or traditional Japanese or Chinese, they all look very nice.
Character quirks or old style of speaking are interesting. For example, royalty have certain way of speaking that is more formal and less casual, it's nice.
Another one is that historical anime usually comes with great traditional music. I love traditional music, especially the ones created with strings or woods or bells/chime(?).
First anime that comes to mind when I think of historical anime is Saiunkoku Monogatari.
I find the whole setting interesting, because it gives us a glimpse of what it looked like in the past, since we're already living in a modern world. Modern world setting is bland, that's why I like historical or futuristic setting more.
It's fun to learn about the past, whether it's fictional or factual, things like the lore of the world, the origin of certain dynasty/reigns are fun to learn.
The costume!! The old/classic costumes look really good, whether it's the classic European fashion style, or traditional Japanese or Chinese, they all look very nice.
Character quirks or old style of speaking are interesting. For example, royalty have certain way of speaking that is more formal and less casual, it's nice.
Another one is that historical anime usually comes with great traditional music. I love traditional music, especially the ones created with strings or woods or bells/chime(?).
First anime that comes to mind when I think of historical anime is Saiunkoku Monogatari.
ToG25thBaam said: First anime that comes to mind when I think of historical anime is Saiunkoku Monogatari. That one doesn't even take place anywhere real. |
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| On paper, I would love to see more historical anime. However, from what I've seen there's a good deal of anime that have "historical" settings but are in fact pseudo fantasy worlds with magic, dragons, etc. Like that Yasuke animated series by Netflix for instance. I'm personally not really interested in those. Seems like serious historical anime such as Vinland Saga and Kingdom are few and far between. ToG25thBaam said: First anime that comes to mind when I think of historical anime is Saiunkoku Monogatari. Saiunkoku is a hidden gem, but it's arguably more of a "historical-adjacent" series due to its fictional setting. |
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