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@CensorshipSucks why are you spamming genshin impact futanari hentai for the 2nd time on this thread? do you ever get bored of doing the same thing on every popular thread on MAL?
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Yeah, but that is exactly that -> Your personal stuff^^

Shows shouldn't be censored. Just because you had an issue, that doesn't mean we should only depict morally good characters, in Anime.

There are horrible guys featuring in this Series. Actual murderers. But you don't have a problem with them, right? It's that one specific thing that happened to YOU, that is bothering you.... It's not real, my girl. And it doesn't matter which topic. Anything goes, in fiction.


It's life. You get to feel uncomfortable, sometimes. Not everything is for everyone. And although I feel sorry for you, I don't think that should impact our entertainment. That would be pretty selfish^^
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I don't mind if the villains do bad stuff but it can get kinda icky when it's a hero doing it to me. I'm not advocating it to be removed from the show since it well...already exists, but ideally I generally prefer stuff like that to be saved for bad guys since it isn't really something that should be taken as lightly as it is. It won't make me stop watching something, but it does generally rub me the wrong way and I'm sure the same can be said for plenty of people. Its just kinda distracting and uncomfortable y'know
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Lots'a people dislike unnatural fanservice in shows, especially serious shows. In fact, i feel (anecdotally) that the number of people annoyed with uninspired, out of place fanservice is on the rise (hooray!). And you can include me in those numbers! i can't imagine You were actually unaware that other people felt the same way, if i'm being honest!
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...What?

The Hyperdimension Neptunia character designs are also ecchi AF. This is like eating pizza at a Dominoes and complaining it doesnt taste like Papa Johns.

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I feel like in this specific case, it's your own fault. You already had prior knowledge of the artist and their previous works based on the first post. The Neptunia series is full of fanservice. Looking up anything about Date a Live you should be able to tell right away what kind of kind of show it is with the images full of girls and a single generic looking teen guy. It doesn't have ecchi tag but it has the harem tag. Red flags everywhere. Regardless, the show isn't really ecchi, it's way to tame to be, so it won't be tagged as such. I wouldn't categorize it as 'serious' show either.
@Paul Regarding Neptunia, i never played the games themselves and i got interested on them because of the character design and i even have a bunch of Neptunia pins on my pinterest (and i think i have a downloaded Neptunia artbook somewhere on my PC)

I wish i could play the games but the current state of western videogame censorship and the fact that unlike retro games, no one fan translates modern games nowadays (maybe because of potential C&D's or just they don't want to promote piracy on recent games) has prevented me to play them, i think the best option is learning japanese and download a digital copy of each game on my PC (and if i had programming skills, i would modify each game's code and translate them with either google translate or AI to english, for personal use at least)
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No, I assure you, you are not. We are a considerable bunch, I bitch about those scenes all the time.
Except you are actually part of a tiny minority. most anime consumers are unapologetic and have been embracing ecchi since Tezuka
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I agree with you I watched date a live back in 2020 and liked it alot so when I came back in 2023 to rewatch it, It just was so werid like why would sister be doing that that. kurumi was the only reason I was watching the show but I couldn't even get to her part. But date a lives plot is dumb so its not surprisingly they have to add ecchi scences to keep it going.
Jan 8, 7:58 PM

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Does Date a Live really ever get especially explicit? I wouldnt know for sure because I dropped it at episode 1, but I doubt it. But anyway its pretty obvious at a glance that it's gonna be that kinda show so I can't really empathize with anyone whos shocked by it.
@epidemia78 If by "especially explicit" you mean sex scenes or even nipples then no, it never gets to that point.
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for what's worth, most of the series i enjoy are either free from ecchi fan service (e.g. Aikatsu, Precure, Pripara, Kinmoza, Anima Yell, Love Live, etc, etc) or is relatively light on such fan service (such as New Game). Saki and Saki achiga-hen has a few fanservice scenes, but even then I enjoyed it largely because of the supernatural mahjong matches.
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Except you are actually part of a tiny minority. most anime consumers are unapologetic and have been embracing ecchi since Tezuka
@MichaelJackson That does not contradict what I said. Op asked if she's alone, she's not, and people who don't like ecchi are a considerable and very vocal bunch.
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LSSJ_Gaming said:
I don't mind if the villains do bad stuff but it can get kinda icky when it's a hero doing it to me. I'm not advocating it to be removed from the show since it well...already exists, but ideally I generally prefer stuff like that to be saved for bad guys since it isn't really something that should be taken as lightly as it is. It won't make me stop watching something, but it does generally rub me the wrong way and I'm sure the same can be said for plenty of people. Its just kinda distracting and uncomfortable y'know

If it's just your personal preference that's one thing but "should" seemingly implies something more. Rhetorical question but why should fictional characters be doing only "good" or only "bad" when even real people arent, and when "good" and "bad" have no objective measure ? Being humorous about something doesnt necessarily mean taking something lightly. Humour can be a way of conveying something without making it a lecture no one will listen to or some people use humour as a coping mechanism.

He is an actual case of an annoying useless character though, but not main reason I havent bothered actually more formally watching MHA. The slow pacing and general vibe of the show just doesnt really do it for me.
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i've always felt that it depends on whether ecchi scenes add or detract value from the show
Jan 8, 9:39 PM
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I agree with your sentiment 100%. A lot of the times these scenes are handled extremely poorly and don't add much or have any substance. Pre-transition I kinda ignored that a lot, but once I came out as trans I started to notice the flaws with how a lot of these sexually explicit scenes are handled. Most of these scenes don't really add anything and just exist for titillation, oftentimes at the expense of the plot, tone, characterization, and agency of the female cast members. A big problem I have with a lot of anime aimed at guys is also that a lot of these ecchi scenes generally rely on "hahaha sexual assault and harassment funny" as a punchline which is uhhhh really bad and kinda feels a bit dehumanizing ngl. I prefer sexual stuff to be consensual if it's implemented unless absolutely necessary to cover the topic of sexual assault and harassment. Like when I watch MHA for example, ever scene with that fucking piece of shit Mineta makes me angry to watch cuz he's just perving on all these women and he's training to be a hero. This guy is acting more like a future rapist, not a fucking hero. I notice a lot of series written by women or for women tend to handle sexual content a lot more tastefully in a way that doesn't detract like a lot of stuff written by guys or for guys tend for. There are excpetions on both ends of course but that is just my obeservation
To OP: There's only a couple of anime that bothered me in that aspect. Otherwise I don't care.

@LSSJ_Gaming MHA already has a character who's full of himself, arrogant, has anger issues and has bullied the mc since kindergarden (and told him to commit suicide on top of that). There's also another character who's abusive towards his kids and wife to the point where he gave one of his kids a visible burn scar that he'll live with his entire life and hospitalized his wife.

Neither are exemplary qualities and is sufficient to disqualify them as heroes.

So why draw the line at the comic relief pervert? At least he's a minor character you can ignore and actually gets his just desserts. You can't say the same for the other two.

I wonder why anime fans are okay with flawed characters until the character in question has a flaw related to perversion.
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Most of the time I don't complain about the ecchi scenes, but there are some exceptions, like many Lucoa´s scenes that seemed unnecessary, or in Yuuki Yuuna Wa Yuusha De Aru that don't fit at all.
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I, for one, wouldn't watch a show that already screams ECCHI. That is if I wanted to watch a serious show.
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As others have said, you actually need a serious show to begin with, because DAL sure as shit doesn't count. There's practically zero anime I can even think of where ecchi ruins an otherwise serious show, but then I'm not convinced something wacky/cartoonish like "Fire Force" (which is probably the number one cited example) actually qualifies as anything serious to begin with, despite the seemingly dark nature of the show.
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The tone of a show can have a lot to do with whether or not I have an issue with its fanservice. I have absolutely no issue with the T&A in, for example, Golden Boy since it never takes itself seriously while I have an issue with it in something like BTOOOM! since that show desperately wants me to believe it's a dark, mature story.
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I don't mind ecchi and sexual humor when I'm knowingly watching something 'ecchi tagged' but when I'm watching something else and a sudden fanservice scene hits it's uncomfortable, especially if it's not even plot related
Like, if I'm watching klk obviously yeah tits on screen I'm lovin' it but when it's idk, a fast-paced shounen sports anime it feels out of place and weird

tho I agree with most people here that even if date a live wasn't tagged as ecchi some fanservice should've been expected as the first google search gives me an image of one guy and seven girls :P
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@Merve2Love

I don't mind if the villains do bad stuff but it can get kinda icky when it's a hero doing it to me. I'm not advocating it to be removed from the show since it well...already exists, but ideally I generally prefer stuff like that to be saved for bad guys since it isn't really something that should be taken as lightly as it is. It won't make me stop watching something, but it does generally rub me the wrong way and I'm sure the same can be said for plenty of people. Its just kinda distracting and uncomfortable y'know
@LSSJ_Gaming

Don't know what to tell you^^

I think it's unhealthy to base your general well beeing on what may or may not be happening in a Cartoon, that was made for children.

I doesn't matter if the character is a hero or not... and if you won't stop watching you're pretty much signing up for this. Don't watch it, if it offends you so much. Don't subject yourself to something that makes you feel uncomfortable. And pleaaaase: Let the rest of us just enjoy the Show without you making us feel bad about it^^


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@shenro How is Hidden Dungeon "forced ecchi"? it's literally tagged ecchi. You can't go and watch and ecchi show then complain it's "ecchi nonsense".
@Tropisch so is jobless reincarnation...
literally the first 5 min of the show is forced ecchi, "oh hello childhood friend, did you say your head hurts? oh i know, the sage of old would make out with his wife when his head hurt, so let's make out, childhood buddy!".
also every woman in that show seems to be a massive thot, but you can read my thoughts about that in my review.

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I don’t dislike Ecchi because it ruins the serious mood. I actually love comedic moments in serious shows. I don’t even dislike Ecchi really, I just dislike the sexualisation of young girls it’s so uncomfortable to watch and half the time these little girls are throwing themselves at the boring looking MC which I can not relate to and it gets annoying to see. (Such a male fever dream)

If you want serious shows with no Ecchi then yea stay away from comedies and harems. For me if I see a show has a harem I don’t watch it.
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@Tropisch so is jobless reincarnation...
literally the first 5 min of the show is forced ecchi, "oh hello childhood friend, did you say your head hurts? oh i know, the sage of old would make out with his wife when his head hurt, so let's make out, childhood buddy!".
also every woman in that show seems to be a massive thot, but you can read my thoughts about that in my review.
@shenro Are you missing the part where both are ecchi, so it can't be "forced" or...?
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@shenro Are you missing the part where both are ecchi, so it can't be "forced" or...?
@LostSpectre "it's not forced ecchi if it calls itself ecchi"
lol no, you made that up.
if you don't comprehend the difference between something happening naturally and something being contrived to hell, then i don't know what to tell you, because every show must be of equal quality in your eyes.

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No, it's called growing up.

Only horny teens and manchildren like ecchi shit.
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@LostSpectre "it's not forced ecchi if it calls itself ecchi"
lol no, you made that up.
if you don't comprehend the difference between something happening naturally and something being contrived to hell, then i don't know what to tell you, because every show must be of equal quality in your eyes.
@shenro Again, you can't go and watch a show tagged "ecchi" then whine about it being a major focus of the show, regardless of your "happening naturally".
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@shenro Again, you can't go and watch a show tagged "ecchi" then whine about it being a major focus of the show, regardless of your "happening naturally".
@Tropisch I can whine about the execution of a concept all I want, actually.
a tag does not make a show immune from all criticism related to that tag.
if i watch a romance show and the romance is absolute trash, would you tell me "ugh it's a romance show, why are u complaining about how the romance is done?" cuz i can't take you seriously if you would.

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@Paul Regarding Neptunia, i never played the games themselves and i got interested on them because of the character design and i even have a bunch of Neptunia pins on my pinterest (and i think i have a downloaded Neptunia artbook somewhere on my PC)

I wish i could play the games but the current state of western videogame censorship and the fact that unlike retro games, no one fan translates modern games nowadays (maybe because of potential C&D's or just they don't want to promote piracy on recent games) has prevented me to play them, i think the best option is learning japanese and download a digital copy of each game on my PC (and if i had programming skills, i would modify each game's code and translate them with either google translate or AI to english, for personal use at least)
@Eternal-Destiny

You're definitely correct on learning and playing the original Japanese. The Neptunia series did suffer from poor translation when NISA had hold of the franchise. They shoved all sorts of memes in the translation to the point it was very off putting and down right cringy. Between the original main 4 titles, Rebirth 1, 2, 3 and Victory, 1 and Victory supposedly have good enough translations but 2 and 3 were bad enough that fans actually did retranslate them which is available on steam. Not sure about the spin offs.
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Honestly it doesn't bother me, because to me the things that ruin a serious series are the comedy,
However, Date Live is not exactly a serious anime, it has some quality serious parts, the rest is an ecchi comedy which is still quality
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Don't know what to tell you^^

I think it's unhealthy to base your general well beeing on what may or may not be happening in a Cartoon, that was made for children.

I doesn't matter if the character is a hero or not... and if you won't stop watching you're pretty much signing up for this. Don't watch it, if it offends you so much. Don't subject yourself to something that makes you feel uncomfortable. And pleaaaase: Let the rest of us just enjoy the Show without you making us feel bad about it^^


@Merve2Love

I still think it's generally a bit of a problem to portray a character who is supposed to be a hero doing that. May just be because I grew up a lot on DC Comics characters or something mixed with my personal experience, but it just gives bad vibes and I feel it is a valid criticism to bring up since these sorts of issues pop up a lot. And wouldn't the fact that a character who's supposed to be a hero in a show aimed towards a younger demographic doing that be kinda bad if you think about it. Idk it just is kinda icky tbh.
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I don't usually complain about ecchi scenes, but some scenes in Mieruko-chan felt a little awkward and unnecessary.
@Serafos you mean the one where the fucking ghost was groping the 16 yr old school girl in broad daylight? Yeah.
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I mean I get what you want to say but what did expect DAL to be like if not silly harem ecchi?
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Ecchi isn't my favorite genre, but it doesn't bother me when it happens, I watch some ecchi shows if they interest me, but most don't.
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@Serafos you mean the one where the fucking ghost was groping the 16 yr old school girl in broad daylight? Yeah.
@KuroudoAkabane Ghosts can't (generally) be seen, so I'm not sure how "broad daylight" is supposed to mean anything.

Also, ghosts can be horny too, don't judge.
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Except you are actually part of a tiny minority. most anime consumers are unapologetic and have been embracing ecchi since Tezuka
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Get your facts straight. Ecchi manga was invented by Nagai, not Tezuka.
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I don't generally feel that ecchi and seriousness conflict with each other. One of my favourite quotes which gets at this goes (regarding seriousness) "about what I do, yes. Not necessarily about how I do it". The two main problems I might have with ecchi content are where it plays into bad characterisation or behaviour tropes (violent tsunderes, girls groping each other in the bath for no obvious reason even if the target is protesting, rapey characters whom you're still supposed to like, that sort of thing,) and when the storytelling stops for it, like if there's a cut where literally the only purpose is to show you some boobs for five seconds.
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We have violence and murder in serious shows, why would a little sex appeal be an issue?
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girls groping each other in the bath for no obvious reason

Various "straight" girls legitimately do this with friends.
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we always get one of these dumbass threads around once a month, where someone is crying because of ecchi or sexualization of characters. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Ecchi is hot af

getting to see kotori's panties on the first episode was one of the best parts of DAL.
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With over 100+ anime watched, if you cann't tell if an anime is ecchi or not, that's totally on you.
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we always get one of these dumbass threads around once a month, where someone is crying because of ecchi or sexualization of characters. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Ecchi is hot af

getting to see kotori's panties on the first episode was one of the best parts of DAL.
@omorashi I'm already OK with ecchi scenes in non serious anime like Ebichu, the problem i was talking about was about pointless ecchi on anime that had the potential to be serious (and i ended up watching it because MAL didn't tag it as an ecchi for some reason)

Now thinking about it, maybe can i undrop it and watch it up to ep 3 once i decide if I'm going to drop other shows that i didn't go past 3 episodes first
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Why the hell would you go into a show like Date A Live, and complain about the fanservice? That's like going into a seafood restaurant and complaining that you don't like seafood. That's your own stupidity lol.

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If anyone's wondering i have watched other ecchi anime before:


Ayakashi Triangle (liked the artstyle but dropped it after ep 1)
Battle Programmer Shirase (not my favorite anime but i did manage to watch all the 5 episodes, and i ended up watching it because it was a recommendation for Serial Experiments Lain)
Burn Up! (only watched the original OVA)
Elfen Lied: Tooriame nite Arui wa, Shoujo wa Ikani Shite Sono Shinjou ni Itatta ka? - Regenschauer (the main elfen lied anime almost had no ecchi scenes in it and i watched the OVA because i liked the main anime)
Elf wo Karu Mono-tachi (i just tried to watch an old and short pre 2000 anime and i just got uninterested after the 1st ep)
No Game No Life (My first ecchi anime and i watched half of it, i dropped it because it became boring to me because i expected to be more video game focused like SAO)
Oruchuban Ebichu (the one that i enjoyed the most and i watched it because of the famous "manko" scene that got recommended to me on youtube)

Regarding the incompete anime, they might have a chance to be completed but like i said before I'm deciding which anime with less than 3 eps watched to drop definitively
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That was one of the main reasons Fire Force fell off and became ass
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Understandable, it's not really about shows that have too many ecchi scenes, it's more that anime just kept pushing boundaries that the ecchi we know today is now passable and a common norm in today's norm. The best example is literally 100 Girlfriends, the ecchi in that anime was really wild though, the questionable dialogues, and had dedicated fanservices, yet it's not considered as ecchi due to various reasons given by the community

(seriously, I had a forum talking about this one, and they said it is not ecchi).

An anime called The Eminence in Shadow had a lot of fanservice, too. Yet, it is not considered ecchi.

I think any anime that has plenty of fanservice or has a few dedicated scenes of sex should be considered ecchi.
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If one is wanting serious stories completely devoid of sexualized fanservice, Anime isn't exactly the right place to look for this. It's like someone watching the Hallmark Channel expecting to eventually find a really violent action packed drama. I personally don't watch Hallmark Channel movies but I am sure there probably isn't a wide variety of really high action packed violent movies being produce that are platformed on their channel, if there are any at all (who knows maybe one or two might have been made?).

To be clear a brief flash of a female characters panties is not really an Ecchi scene and at best it's only mild sexual fanservice. I am sure someone on this thread has probably mentioned this before but actual Ecchi is more sexually explicit and tend to actually feature graphic nudity along side a definitive sexual theme that a series might offer.

Now I don't know what the OPs idea of a serious Anime story is but Anime in general is not known to be a very serious medium to begin with just like the Hallmark Channel is not known for pumping out extremely violent action packed movies. Sure I will contest Japanese Anime does offer a wide variety of titles with multiple themes and genres but real serious themed titles in this medium are far and very few in my actual opinion when one is actually looking at this medium from a very broad perspective.

Also the OP is not the only one to bitch and complain about this. One can thrift through just this forum alone and likely find dozens of clone threads bitching and whining about panty fanservice in Japanese Anime.

Panty Fanservice has been around longer than most of the Users who complain about have actually been alive. Whether Users like it or not panty fanservice is staple of Japanese Anime. It's not going to go away any time soon since it's been a pretty common thing in Anime dating back to the early 80s when it started becoming extremely prevalent throughout multiple franchises.

If one is extremely annoyed by panty fanservice in Anime, actively watching modern school themed action packed Anime Harems designed to target a male audience would not be helping their case since panty fanservice happens quite often in these particular niche type Anime franchises.



If someone is annoyed by panties in Anime, one would wonder what their reaction would be by some of the characters sexualized fetish costumes in "Date A live".
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"I want to watch a serious show?"

There are serious shows which are strait out porn tho - https://myanimelist.net/anime/320/A_Kite
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Let me get this straight. You went into a harem series expecting a serious non-ecchi time based on your liking of Neptunia girls?

That's not even remotely plausible. I believe some kind of achievement award is in order.
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honestly, I think that ecchi isn't really a necessary thing in a harem anime, do non-reverse harem without ecchi exist?
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Let me get this straight. You went into a harem series expecting a serious non-ecchi time based on your liking of Neptunia girls?

That's not even remotely plausible. I believe some kind of achievement award is in order.

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honestly, I think that ecchi isn't really a necessary thing in a harem anime, do non-reverse harem without ecchi exist?
@Eternal-Destiny Harem generally feels pointless without some semblance of ecchi, but then it's typically a very unrealistic genre. Obviously, you have things like Kanon and Clannad which have little to no focus on sex appeal. There's not much fanservice in Re:Zero, either, but that's less of a pure harem type of series.
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It’s time to ditch the text file.
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