| Genuine question. I rewatched One Punch Man the other day and thought Tatsumaki looking good. So I proceeded to search doujins of her (yes, that kind) and it has the lolicon tag. Tatsumaki is 28 years old; an adult. Which got me thinking, what exactly makes an anime girl a loli? Is it her appearance? Is it her age? Is it the way she acts? If it's the age, then would Takayama Kate from Haganai be counted as a loli, since she's 15 or 16 years old? If it's appearance, is Komoe-sensei from The Index series a loli, despite being of age to drink and smoke? Or is it all of the above? |
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| There are 3 kinds of loli characters. Maybe 4. 1) Looks like a child but is not a child. 2) Is a child. 3) Is a minor in general. 4) Flat-chested girl in general? |
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| It's always appearance, but more specifically appearance in relation to other characters in the series. To reference your first example you could say compare Tatsumaki and her sister Fubuki who is 23 (as just an offhand comparison). In which case based solely on appearance you would assume the ages were reversed if anything. With the general idea being that with an established baseline for character appearances having a character or characters who look distinctly younger (usually despite them being canonically older) would be then counted as lolis. The reason appearance based on a comparison to other characters is important is to also avoid situations in which an entire cast looks the same age or where their ages are ambiguous based solely on appearance and there's no functional reason to identify them as lolis. |
GamerDLMDec 20, 2021 7:49 PM
| basically a girl/woman who has a child-like appearance, usually petite small girls. they could be either grown ups or an actual child. |
| no more forum pic. that's it. |
| idk about that but damn does Tatsumaki look hot in that fan art.. imma save that pic for my wallpaper |
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| it's appearance. nothing else. not age, not behavior, not whether they're sexualized or not. don't let anyone tell you otherwise. |
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| below 12 years old short small hands no boobs no ass cute and annoying voice dies ecchi things without knowing |
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| What is MAL's obsession with lolis? Talking about this every day. |
| It’s a character designed to look like a child. |
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| Pigs in my streets are count as loli. |
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| I think it's about age (it's a child, as simple as that) and the appearance (it's not a child, but it's look like a child). |
| Those who are above a certain age are considered "legal" lolis by the majority of basement dwellers weebs. I believe you know this already. |
| If her face looks like a loli, she's a loli. |
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| If she looks like a kid, she's a loli. |
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| It's always about appearance, people who think otherwise are only new to this term and community in overall. I hate this term and in fact never use the term for real little girl character (by age). This term has sexual aspect by it's origin. And no one sane will lewd to little girls like Ren-chon or Yotsuba. |
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| Usually if there a child its a loli. Also I don't think Tatsumaki is a loli, she's just petite and very hotπ |
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| Loli is about body type. It is not about age. The teacher on Index is a loli. Oshino Shinobu is a loli. The K-On girls are lolis. Loli is short and petite thoughthey can have big oppai. Most lolis tend to be flat. Tatsumaki is a grey area, but some hentai doujins of her tag as loli. Some do not. Tall lolis DNE  |
rohan121Dec 20, 2021 9:35 PM
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| Its usally appearance I'd say . How i define a loli is an anime girl with a petite body(so oppai lolis are also lolis ) |
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rohan121 said: Most K-On girls are 17 or 18 and Azuza and her friends are about 16 (by the end of season 2). They don't look like little girls and they're too old to be considered one. So I never think of the K-On girls as lolis. Loli is about body type. It is not about age. The teacher on Index is a loli. Oshino Shinobu is a loli. The K-On girls are lolis. Loli is short and petite thoughthey can have big oppai. Most lolis tend to be flat. Tatsumaki is a grey area, but some hentai doujins of her tag as loli. Some do not. Tall lolis DNE |
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rohan121 said: Tatsumaki is a grey area, but some hentai doujins of her tag as loli. Some do not. Tall lolis DNE Murata has said in interviews several times that Tatsumaki is a loli lol. He struggles some with them and his style isnt exactly "moe" like most loli characters are drawn in. |
| If she's prepubescent, she's unambiguously a loli as far as I'm concerned. |
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rohan121 said:
Tatsumaki is a grey area, but some hentai doujins of her tag as loli. Some do not.
Tall lolis DNE
Tatsumaki is a grey area, but some hentai doujins of her tag as loli. Some do not.
Tall lolis DNE
Murata has said in interviews several times that Tatsumaki is a loli lol. He struggles some with them and his style isnt exactly "moe" like most loli characters are drawn in.
| @crim-sama do you recall which interviews has Murata say this? I like to create a timeline of the usage of the term so far I have been only able to find one from 13 December 2015 cited at https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Interviews/Stream_Q/A#13/12/2015 supposedly from "Previously I never draw any loli-like character, when I'm drawing Tastumaki I spent many effort on drawing the ass." 30 December 2015 also has him make a similar statement about Zenko https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Interviews/Stream_Q/A#30/12/2015 YusukeMurata said: Q: Stupid question, do you like Zenko? A: Me, I'm not interested in small little loli, really, hahaha, sorry I lied, I like her very much. I have the original Zenko version here, she looks older. This is the version that I decided not to use, she looks older right? I'm not good in drawing little girls, I'm always drawing it too tall in the first place, even for Tatsumaki. I am better in drawing plump and matured ladies. Basically wondering if the other Tatsumaki=loli statement is pre-2015 or post-2015 |
tycioOct 23, 2023 9:02 PM
| Flat and short, that's it. It could be underaged character. it could be an adult. it could be a 5000 year old god. as long as she's a short and flat character, she's a loli.... I just realised a short flat grandma would count too if we go about it like that. so let's add "looks young" to the rules. and juuust to be safe, let's also add a "looks human enough" rule as well. |
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| It is a petite and short female, anime character. It is all about design and has nothing to do with character's age. |
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| the keions are not lolis. Azunyan is a borderline case. Regardless, one should not lewd the keions. |
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| Underage, prepubescent girls who typically have a petite body reflecting their age. |
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@crim-sama do you recall which interviews has Murata say this? I like to create a timeline of the usage of the term
so far I have been only able to find one from 13 December 2015 cited at https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Interviews/Stream_Q/A#13/12/2015 supposedly from
"Previously I never draw any loli-like character, when I'm drawing Tastumaki I spent many effort on drawing the ass."
30 December 2015 also has him make a similar statement about Zenko https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Interviews/Stream_Q/A#30/12/2015
Basically wondering if the other Tatsumaki=loli statement is pre-2015 or post-2015
so far I have been only able to find one from 13 December 2015 cited at https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Interviews/Stream_Q/A#13/12/2015 supposedly from
"Previously I never draw any loli-like character, when I'm drawing Tastumaki I spent many effort on drawing the ass."
30 December 2015 also has him make a similar statement about Zenko https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Interviews/Stream_Q/A#30/12/2015
YusukeMurata said:
Q: Stupid question, do you like Zenko?
A: Me, I'm not interested in small little loli, really, hahaha, sorry I lied, I like her very much. I have the original Zenko version here, she looks older. This is the version that I decided not to use, she looks older right? I'm not good in drawing little girls, I'm always drawing it too tall in the first place, even for Tatsumaki. I am better in drawing plump and matured ladies.
Q: Stupid question, do you like Zenko?
A: Me, I'm not interested in small little loli, really, hahaha, sorry I lied, I like her very much. I have the original Zenko version here, she looks older. This is the version that I decided not to use, she looks older right? I'm not good in drawing little girls, I'm always drawing it too tall in the first place, even for Tatsumaki. I am better in drawing plump and matured ladies.
Basically wondering if the other Tatsumaki=loli statement is pre-2015 or post-2015
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| I'd define a loli as a female anime character that appears or is between the age of older than an infant to around or slightly older than the age of entering puberty, typically appearing in the age range of 9 to 11. I think age matters and so does appearance. A loli that appears much older is still a loli and a 3000 year old baba is still a loli if she looks like a loli. And I wouldn't call one appearing as an infant child or younger a loli and neither would I often call one appearing 14 or older to be a loli. Usually I think lolis tend to appear or be around the age of 10, but sometimes they can appear or be around the age of a pre-schooler. |
| I think there isn't a point for Westerners to guess since they would misunderstand. For example Westerners for the longest time misused shoujo-ai and shounen-ai to mean something completely different from their meaning in Japan in Japan it's what in the West is incorrectly called lolicon and shotacon but the West used those terms for yuri and yaoi with focus on only hinting at gayness or only focused on romance not sex which is incorrect. I guess I'd have to look into the history of the terms loli and shota to find the real answer. What all would agree though is if they are at least prepubertal elementary schoolers, moe and presented in a sexual light they are loli / shota but that isn't necessarily the actual definition. |
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