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Aug 28, 1:50 PM

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lol no, it only has good animation. The story isn't interesting at all. The closest to AOTY would be either Vinland Saga or AOT S3 part 2
 
Aug 28, 1:51 PM

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I can't believe I hadn't replied to this thread before

Yeah for those battle shounen fags but definitely not for me
 
Aug 28, 3:47 PM
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The first 7-8 episodes were good, but then the constantly screaming protagonist and his dumb companions began to enrage. One of the most overrated ongings.
 
Aug 28, 5:21 PM

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There's still one more season :/
 
Aug 28, 7:30 PM

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If your MAL ratings reflect your mindset at 14, then MAL users will perceive you and judge you like the boy you were at 14. It's only reasonable because that's all we know about you from your profile.

In any case, I wouldn't say Hotaru no Haka was about war. It's actually about the consequence of war on everyday civilians, your neighbour, the child next door, what it does to us.

*spoiler alert*

If you don't have "feels" from watching two orphans trying to survive a war torn society, with the little boy watching his sister starve to death before dying himself from starvation (animated by Ghibli, the universally recognised master at telling emotional stories) ... *sigh* It just reaffirms my decision not to trust your judgment


Sure that fine, I don't really care how you judge me. My list is full of weird stuff from my years of watching anime.
Thing is you should know and be aware that using one's list to argue is always a sophism.
When I'm giving an argument about how to judge an AOTY using my list again me is the equivalent of a personal attack.

So what if my way of rating anime is subjective? If I was watching enough anime every year, who said I couldn't use one of my 6/10 anime as my AOTY instead of one of my 10/10? My objective view of an anime =/= the score I give it.
Easy examples are some kyoani show which objectively always have great animation. Some of them are so terrible to me though that I lower the rating more than it should actually be because animation is a part of an anime yet I decide to unconditionally ignore it to lower the score. Does that mean I don't acknowledge the animation is good? No it's just me using my list however I want.

I gave a way to judge AOTY which I never implied was the same as my rating system.

So at the end I don't care how you trust my own judgement/rating system. Just try to think a little bit more on how I believe an AOTY should stand strong in every aspect of an anime yes?


If I've explained it once, I've explained it a thousand times. Your only complaint is KNY's story is allegedly "poor" even though all other aspects are objectively top-tier.

Not everyone shares your view (yes, the fact that your subjective taste is questionable is a factor). Just because a story has common themes (family bond, shounen themes) doesn't mean it's bad. Just because some stories have uncommon themes (such as vikings which really isn't uncommon except in anime) doesn't mean it's automatically good.

I know angsty little teenage boys think dark themes, an angsty protagonist who responds to loss with anger and hate, and death metal screaming show "depth" or "sophistication". They are also intolerant of wholesome stories and think kindness is weakness. But to a more mature audience, that's not how it works.
 
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I don't really think that is the best of the year, but KnY is in my top 10 of this year definitely
 
Aug 28, 9:39 PM
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This is just my opinion but as someone who dropped the anime and skimmed the manga just to know what the fk was wrong with that yellow haired guy...

This show is really really not AOTY worthy, and I'm saying this knowing I don't watch many AOTY worthy anime. The plot of the anime/manga is really, really average. It does nothing a typical shonen doesn't which is the reason why I dropped the anime and skimmed through the manga.

The only reason this anime is being really acclaimed is because it's animation is so amazing and the story isn't shit. Yes that right, the show is mostly acclaimed for it's animation don't even try to argue this point.
I did watch ep 19 just to see what the hype was about, and to be honest... it really wasn't anything that special, it even feels like a power of the friendship/love thing, but just because there was a (great) insert song and godlike animation it was praised to heaven.

Don't get me wrong, that perfectly fine, an anime is a audiovisual medium so having such great music and animation to a scene is praise worthy since most anime doesn't do it. But when you have to consider a contender for AOTY you also have to look at the story and characters and IMO in this show are really not on par. You can't just give AOTY to a show that looks good, the story should also be good, hell it should be more important than the animation but the animation shouldn't be neglected either.


When you rate Hotaru no Haka a 3, give katekyo no hit man and demi chan wa kataritai 9s, then you say "the story should also be good"... It's not very convincing.

It's like when someone calls Stephanie Meyer a legend, thinks F Scott Fitzgerald is overrated, shares his opinion about prose and writing... People aren't going to take him seriously


You rate SAO a 9 and S;G a 4 (and for some reason you only rate SnK first season and season 3 part 2)
 
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If I've explained it once, I've explained it a thousand times. Your only complaint is KNY's story is allegedly "poor" even though all other aspects are objectively top-tier.

Not everyone shares your view (yes, the fact that your subjective taste is questionable is a factor). Just because a story has common themes (family bond, shounen themes) doesn't mean it's bad. Just because some stories have uncommon themes (such as vikings which really isn't uncommon except in anime) doesn't mean it's automatically good.

I know angsty little teenage boys think dark themes, an angsty protagonist who responds to loss with anger and hate, and death metal screaming show "depth" or "sophistication". They are also intolerant of wholesome stories and think kindness is weakness. But to a more mature audience, that's not how it works.


Actually my complaints about KnY is more along the lines of: the story and characters are a little too weak to be an AOTY contender. Like when I talk about the story I'm not really talking about the themes. The themes are fine, it's more the villain of the week with tragic backstory that explain how they became like that that kinda make it on the weaker side plotwise.

Maybe my views have been skewered over the time but I just can't see how a "typical" shonen can get AOTY only from its animation(soundtrack is debatable, I haven't seen anything noteworthy except for ep 19). Like did you not see the backlash for the my hero academia crunchyroll award?
Like yes I agree that KnY animation and art is top notch but I can't see the characters and plot as being anything noteworthy.

Like if Reborn was to air now with the animation quality of KnY would it be AOTY worthy for you? What about black cover?

In the end it doesn't really matter to me. This whole debate was just my opinion to start with. I don't hate KnY I just didn't think it's AOTY worthy... but that not the first time that I disagree with the community so let's just agree to disagree. We both have our opinion of what an AOTY should be and both are fine.

Also don't try to imply I'm one of those angsty teenager that want some edge...if you watched my favorites anime you would have noticed I have none of those edgy anime you're implying.
 
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It's objectively the best, no contest. Anyone who says otherwise has bad taste. Episode 19 is the best episode in anime history. All other anime this year have either been disappointing or mediocre.
Objectively a CRINGEWORTHY comment.
 
Aug 29, 6:17 AM

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we have vinland saga,blade of the immortal,mob psycho 2,sarazanmai and ginga eiyuu densetsu remake this year so nope,but kimetsu is in my top 5 shonen ever,next season will be much better.
 
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No. Because is not the best anime of the year doesn’t mean that it isn’t better that other AOTY from other years. Is unlucky to be in the same year as Mob Psycho II, Shingeki no Kyojin, Yakusoku no Neverland, and Vinland Saga has potential to be even better than Kimetsu no Yaiba. I don’t think this anime is overrated neither underrated. But because of great animation doesn’t mean that is the best.
 
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I love this anime but it isn't AOTY I think. We have Mob and AoT this year. Maybe best animation this year?
 
Aug 30, 3:43 PM

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sounds more like joke of the year
 
Aug 30, 4:01 PM

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Cygames said:
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It's objectively the best, no contest. Anyone who says otherwise has bad taste. Episode 19 is the best episode in anime history. All other anime this year have either been disappointing or mediocre.
Objectively a CRINGEWORTHY comment.
You know it's the truth, embrace and accept it.

Jokes aside, it's a good anime in what is animation action with a decent to mediocre cast of characters which that follows some tropes in it's genre but executes them very well. but aoty don't think so even though I haven't seen much this year.
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Um, far from it. Probably The Promised Neverland, Dr. Stone, or Carole and Tuesday. Other than the animation and Nezuko, there wasn't a lot special about it.
 
Aug 31, 12:06 AM

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It's funny how some people call Vinland Saga AOTY, when there are only 8 episodes are out and nothing special has happened so far, it's very far from AOTY

I guess manga readers are hyping it up

Mob Psycho 100 II, SnK 3/2, The Promised Neverland, KnY, Kaguya-sama, Shield Hero these are all way better than Vinland Saga
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Aug 31, 12:20 AM

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meh, typical battle shounen that gets undeserved praise

hopefully vinland will get better and blow this thing out the water, but i doubt that will happen sadly
 
Aug 31, 1:01 AM
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Best animation, maybe yes.
Best anime, of course not.
 
Aug 31, 2:26 AM

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I think that there is no anime, that is going to beat AoT this year
 
Aug 31, 2:34 AM

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When it has laughable plot and characters? Even for shounen standard it is pretty bad
 
Aug 31, 3:29 AM

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It's objectively the best, no contest. Anyone who says otherwise has bad taste. Episode 19 is the best episode in anime history. All other anime this year have either been disappointing or mediocre.


So bad tastes are the ones different from you, right? Since yours are objective as it seems... This anime has great animation and a very good beginning (music is also nice), but its pacing became inconsistent over the time, we even had completely useless episodes (when they get some rest), the plot has one line, some characters are very weakly built (crying or being angry defines them almost entirely), Nezuko is a mere object during 19 episodes, etc... If it were "objectively" the best, one could address each of the above points, but I think that they are probably closer to "objective" weak points of the overall series.

Otherwise the year is not finished, and without mentioning over-hyped stuff like BmHA (average old recipe but flashy animation) or Mob Psycho 2 (no plot and boring at times), we will have a lot of interesting things coming in the Fall, such as Chihayafuru S3. But I guess that you may have meant "best anime of the year in the shounen category"? Then even restricting to shounen, I actually believe that from ratings and popularity SnK is the best anime of the year, no matter what you think (statistics win). Plotwise, it is certainly far superior to KnY... quite objectively.
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@Meusnier so many dumb statements, me eyes are hurting.

Useless episodes? Lmao please tell me how was episode 14 useless. You thought it was put there just for the comedy? I can’t even... do I really have to tell you how was it useful? Maybe to build the dynamics between the main characters? And I could go on

Characters with weak characterization? Are we even watching the same show. Ignoring the fact that they got developed already a lot, this is a shounen, with a lot of chapters, and you think that the characters will be fully developed in the span of 4 chapters? Like, lmao what?

Nezuko was not an object. It is a full fledged main character. And she’s the true embodiment of the main theme of the anime. AND, she later on deep in the manga gets some development as well.

Boy, at least try to be more convincing when trying to hate for the sake of hating.
 
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It's funny how some people call Vinland Saga AOTY, when there are only 8 episodes are out and nothing special has happened so far, it's very far from AOTY

I guess manga readers are hyping it up

Mob Psycho 100 II, SnK 3/2, The Promised Neverland, KnY, Kaguya-sama, Shield Hero these are all way better than Vinland Saga


The story of Vinland is already more interesting than KnY and Shield hero
 
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It's objectively the best, no contest. Anyone who says otherwise has bad taste. Episode 19 is the best episode in anime history. All other anime this year have either been disappointing or mediocre.


This is officially the most cringy comment I've ever seen in my life. Disgusting.
 
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It's objectively the best, no contest. Anyone who says otherwise has bad taste. Episode 19 is the best episode in anime history. All other anime this year have either been disappointing or mediocre.
I think you're being sarcastic no?
 
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It's funny how some people call Vinland Saga AOTY, when there are only 8 episodes are out and nothing special has happened so far, it's very far from AOTY

I guess manga readers are hyping it up

Mob Psycho 100 II, SnK 3/2, The Promised Neverland, KnY, Kaguya-sama, Shield Hero these are all way better than Vinland Saga


The story of Vinland is already more interesting than KnY and Shield hero


I agree with that, it's definitely more unique and interesting, but that alone is not enough, and it's not that as good as these anime I mentioned so far

But as a said, it's only at episode 8 now, and I've read that the real fun will begin later, when it actually turns into a seinen anime, so it definitely has the potential to turn into something great

But it shouldn't be called AOTY yet, it's far from that currently(IMO)
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Best anime of 2019? I don't know, but this will definitely be a contender for best animation with mob psycho
 
Aug 31, 7:46 AM
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As much as I love Demon Slayer, Vinland Saga is already a masterpiece, and it’s only getting better. So, I think either Vinland Saga or Golden Wind will be AOTY.
 
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@Meusnier so many dumb statements, me eyes are hurting.

Useless episodes? Lmao please tell me how was episode 14 useless. You thought it was put there just for the comedy? I can’t even... do I really have to tell you how was it useful? Maybe to build the dynamics between the main characters? And I could go on

Characters with weak characterization? Are we even watching the same show. Ignoring the fact that they got developed already a lot, this is a shounen, with a lot of chapters, and you think that the characters will be fully developed in the span of 4 chapters? Like, lmao what?

Nezuko was not an object. It is a full fledged main character. And she’s the true embodiment of the main theme of the anime. AND, she later on deep in the manga gets some development as well.

Boy, at least try to be more convincing when trying to hate for the sake of hating.


Dude, don't patronize me and stop calling me "boy". Dumb statements? Rather than insulting people, try to make a real point next time. For example, concerning Nezuko, why do your bring up the manga in a discussion about "the best anime of the year"? I hope that you realise how absurd it is.

If you had eyes, you could have seen that I gave a temporary 9 to this series. I certainly don't hate it, I find it quite enjoyable but it does not prevent me to use my brain and to spot the weak points... If arguing that a series might not be the best of the year is hating it, you have an issue about basic logics (negation)...

Rather than criticizing "dumb statements" from a "boy" with tons of questions marks, it would be more interesting for the OP to know if and why you consider this anime to be the best of the year (or not).
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@Meusnier
Never have I ever said KnY to be the best anime this year. I just thought that your point were not valid at all, considering how slow battle shounens develop
 
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What was the anime of the year last year
 
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Personally no, Jojo’s Part 5: Golden Wind still holds that title for me, followed by TPN & AOT S3 Part 2. Maybe top 5 but definitely not number 1 if I’m honest.


You earn points for mentioning Jojo's, seriously the anime community has the memory capacity of a fish, its all about recency bias!! They all forget the good shit they watched a few months ago and focus on the new stuff. Also if "muh Sakuga" is the only thing that determines AOTY than i guess Fire Force will be the Greatest anime of this year...

Also ma boii @Vooo imma need the sauce for that gif of yours, is that the chick from Black Lagoon??!


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Simple answer. No. There have been much better shows than this one. For one thing, it features some of the most annoying characters I have recently encountered in anime. All those paltry attempts at humour not only fall flat but are annoying. The show should have opted for a no-nonsense tone a la SnK but the way it is the quality of the show fluctuated to much in more recent episodes.

Vinland Saga, Dororo and even Promised Neverland were better. Haven't watched the second half of the third season of SnK nor have I watched the second season of Mob Psycho 100 but I am sure those are also better.

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Cygames said:
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It's objectively the best, no contest. Anyone who says otherwise has bad taste. Episode 19 is the best episode in anime history. All other anime this year have either been disappointing or mediocre.
Objectively a CRINGEWORTHY comment.

I always thought "objectively" must mean some solid ground, but all I see is... humiliation? Well, just another day and another thread with another load load of nonsense, on another public website.
Also WHEN IS BAHAMUT #3??
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lol no, it only has good animation. The story isn't interesting at all. The closest to AOTY would be either Vinland Saga or AOT S3 part 2

This is what it feels to mean as well, going weekly through the episode threads. Everyone is praising the animation, the music, the visuals... Okay, they like the pictures and sounds. But where is art may I ask? One user, when paraphrased, said: "What an awful power pull from the depths of nowhere, but heck I do not care because it is stunning and impactful". Boom, redneck. Admitting to lack of coherence, yet praising it nevertheless for a shiny cover. Since when is that worthy of being nominated as the best series of a year? Me cries, and SAO laughs.
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This thread is one step closer in getting Locked, can we all agree that Nezuko can be nominated as best grill??!
 
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Just because a story has common themes (family bond, shounen themes) doesn't mean it's bad.


Doesn't mean it's good eiter. KnY deals with its theme of family bonds in a cheap way. A good example is the relationship between Tanjiro and Nezuko, the threat to their bond is quickly resolved. Nezuko has been reduced to a plot device even though she tranformed to a demonic creature who's supposed to crave human blood. Everytime the story has a chance to give depth to what Tanjiro is going through, it's waved away and instead we get silly chibi comic relief. Because fuck coming up good dialogue between Tanjiro, Zenitsu and Inosuke.

The demon backstories suck. For the most part they serve to make Tanjirou a perfect character capable of empathy towards demons, because he can sense their emotions at their passing. Since the setting of this story is poorly thought out, so are the little stories. Take Rui (most recent villain), fragile boy gets turned into demon after Muzan visits him, lacks details so all we see is him bringing back a dead body back to his parents' house, not knowing why they still allow him to come in or why they were okay with Muzan's offer. He kills his parents and ''forgets'' about them, his goal as a demon is to make a new family through torture porn, but at his death he regains memories and regrets his decisions. His parents forgive him and join him to Hell, even though his character as a human child was completely different from his time as a demon. It's just dumb

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Just because some stories have uncommon themes (such as vikings which really isn't uncommon except in anime) doesn't mean it's automatically good.


Doesn't mean it's bad either. Do you actually have something to say? Strange how the guy you were talking to didn't even bring up VS, shows how deeply rooted your hatred for it is lol

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I know angsty little teenage boys think dark themes, an angsty protagonist who responds to loss with anger and hate, and death metal screaming show "depth" or "sophistication". They are also intolerant of wholesome stories and think kindness is weakness. But to a more mature audience, that's not how it works.


Someone pretending to show signs of maturity because he doesn't know how else to get his point across is common for angsty little teenage boys. Ranting about Vinland Saga while gushing about KnY's ''wholesome'' story has nothing to do with being mature, quite the opposite.

I see you're still holding on to the illusion you know what you're talking about. Fact is Vinland Saga deals with its protagonist in a mature way. And most viewers adored his dad, the most wholesome character of the story. Again all your opinions are completely ill-informed and this time more retarded than ever. It's hard to comprehend what your deal with VS is, or maybe it really just is that you mistake your delusional perception of VS fans for what VS actually is about. So mature

Tanjiro is a boring Mary Sue so his characterization isn't worth any praise. It's also funny how you ignore how dark KnY is and that it actually has way more gruesome violence. KnY is infinitely more edgy than VS, so are you
 
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@Thanjh It's not about seeking acknowledgement, more about continuing fandom wars ,it's time well spent imo. And I don't entirely disagree, I don't think KnY is bad, I'm trying to figure out what people see in KnY because how I see it its storytelling doesn't even come close to something like MHA lol. A lot of praise goes to the MC for being ''kind'' but even Naruto and his talk no jutsu is more interesting and feels more genuine.
 
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@Thanjh It's not about seeking acknowledgement, more about continuing fandom wars ,it's time well spent imo. And I don't entirely disagree, I don't think KnY is bad, I'm trying to figure out what people see in KnY because how I see it its storytelling doesn't even come close to something like MHA lol. A lot of praise goes to the MC for being ''kind'' but even Naruto and his talk no jutsu is more interesting and feels more genuine.
mha sucks ass compared to kimetsu no yaiba,the manga is a joke right now and the only good character is mirio togata.
 
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It's objectively the best, no contest. Anyone who says otherwise has bad taste. Episode 19 is the best episode in anime history. All other anime this year have either been disappointing or mediocre.
Come on dude "anime history" the only thing good about this episode is the last 2 minutes of animation otherwise its just another average episode and there are tons of other great anime episodes that are way better than this one.
 
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@Nanashi796 I loved the first 3 seasons so I don't agree with that. I don't read the manga but I did hear about it supposedly declining in quality. I'll just wait for next season
 
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@Nanashi796 I loved the first 3 seasons so I don't agree with that. I don't read the manga but I did hear about it supposedly declining in quality. I'll just wait for next season
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It's not dude
Episode 19 was not even that Great story-wise
It was good , but nothing great , the only great thing was the Art , Idk how the f*ck is got that much attention
 
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Um, far from it. Probably The Promised Neverland, Dr. Stone, or Carole and Tuesday. Other than the animation and Nezuko, there wasn't a lot special about it.


Dr Stone :') That poor shonen.

Nope but we have Chihayafuru, Blade of the Immortal, Vinland Saga etc.. which are best by far at least if we compare these mangas.
 
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If demon slayer is the anime of the year for 2019, what do you call the Mob Psycho II 100 and AOT S3 cour 2? Hahaha...

Common i love demon slayer, but for me its between Mob Psycho II and AOT S3 cour 2...
 
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i think kimetsu no yaba is the best anime of the year
 
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Based on reading some comments here, many are including Vinland saga, The promise neverland, Demon slayer, Mob psycho II 100, AOT s3 cour 2 to be on their list of AOTY 2019...

But whatever your list is, when the time comes for CRUNCHYROLL AWARDS 2019--- ONLY ONE SERIES WILL DOMINATE AND THAT IS....

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It was the 6th best anime that started spring 2019 and aired on saturdays
 
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From what i've seen, its fun but no.

But i'm pretty far behind at this point (i watched 9 episodes and randomly stopped after that during spring) so idk, might change when i finally decide to pick it up again.
 
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For me it's still Dororo followed by The Promised Neverland, Bungou Stray Dogs S3 and Mob Psycho 100 S2 in that order. At least until I start watching other 2019 anime.


I liked Dororo but felt it dragged a bit and the ending was a bit strange I think. I made a Reddit post about it if you're curious what myself and others were saying.
Promise neverland was great,
Jojo great,
AOT greeeat,
mob Psycho solid,
Dr stone is okay,
Vinland Saga is probably great but I'm waiting for it to finish,
Shield hero could've been way better but it got stale and side characters are boring and just kinda dumb lol (although we all love Raphtalia)

 
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Definitely not. Kimetsu no Yaiba is very weak story and character wise. Till now, for me, it is between Mob 2, Kaguya and Vinland Saga. Blade of the Immortal can also be a good contender, but I feel that the story in the manga is dragged too long in the middle part so hope that they skim that part.

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It's funny how some people call Vinland Saga AOTY, when there are only 8 episodes are out and nothing special has happened so far, it's very far from AOTY

I guess manga readers are hyping it up

Mob Psycho 100 II, SnK 3/2, The Promised Neverland, KnY, Kaguya-sama, Shield Hero these are all way better than Vinland Saga

Vinland Saga is going to feel the same until the very end of the season, but man, the end will just blow everything away. The ending of the prologue of Vinland Saga is one of the best things in the whole medium.
"Life is too bitter, so coffee, atleast should be sweet........ " - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru)
 
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