Attack on Titan
shanimebib said: People should really compare apples with oranges, right? Gintama is far superior compared to FMA:B for it showed longevity. SnK with the similar number of chapters/episodes is easier for comparison with FMA:B. Gintama should be really compared with long running shounen series. By long running, I mean over 99 episodes. Bleach, Naruto, DBZ, FT all fall flat in comparison to Gintama. FMA:B was actually pretty consistent and I came to love it because of that. Like it has been pointed out, SnK S2 was pretty average for me and hence I dropped it (although I loved S1). If HxH had a split cours, I might have dropped it as well. HxH (2011) fans will never admit it but a huge part of the series is pretty boring. The whole Greed Island has been a 7/10 material. The first half of the Chimera ant arc was also 7/10 material. The final election arc was pretty okayish too. If it weren't for the spider arc or the latter parts of the chimera ant arc, this would be rated much lower. Good luck HxH (2011) fans to ever see a sequel. I hope when it gets one, the one who picks it up is MadJC Staff. Also, the reason HxH (2011) is rated so high is because MAL is full of angry kids. Take me for an example, lol! Man, you guys just should take a screenshot at as it sits at 9.23. You may not ever get higher because as I type, accounts are being made! So hurry! God... you really are one of the most obnoxious users in this site, your whole attitude is so toxic. It must have hurt you a lot seeing how your beloved Gintama lost the #1 spot it once held.... (And I'm not even a fan of AoT). |
| - You said conspiracy doesn't mean plan. It does. - I said FMA does *almost everything* well. Everything it does - Not everything you can imagine. It's not the best romance either because *it does not try to be a romance show*. Get it? - He doesn't discover the plot or the plan. Both are addressed. - You did not address my point - that problems with the revolution were solved too quickly. - You attempted to psychologically analyze me by saying "So you wanted them to drag things out artificially for the sake of "feeling it" more?" And you failed badly - Public opinion on the revolution =/= the public's view of Historia as their leader. Jesus Christ - That's your example showing public conflict? A throwaway comment in episode 9? You are one of the most insufferable people I've dealt with on this site. You do not even attempt to understand my points and misrepresent them constantly. Goodbye, I hope I never meet you on this website again |
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| So I am apparently 20ish chapters behind on the manga but I will say that even as of chapter 100 (the last one I read) the art is still bad. It's improved over time for sure but it's still not good. |
keragamming said: blackiemma22 said: As I said in another thread everybody making it a bigger deal than what it is. There is no real reward in getting #1 position. There is also no such thing as THE best anime because everybody's taste is different. I don't really understand why some fans (in both fmab and aot fandom) take all this so personnal. People want to see their favorite at the top, it's human nature. But I made this thread for argument purpose, seeing too many of those comments being aim at snk, so I'm just putting another perspective out there that people were not aware of. Human nature? Not really. My favorite is Haikyuu and i don't care about seeing it at the top, that's why i didn't rate all its seasons a 10. I guess i'm not human, lol I say this as someone who dropped Fullmetal Alchemist at episode 20 because it was mad boring, with rushed beginning, bad build up, bad atmosphere, AWFUL comedy that ruins the tension etc... But your logic is wrong. If Gintama had one season with 350 episodes is would be rate lower, NOT higher. Why? Because the majority of people who didn't like season 1 never bother watching the other seasons. That's why the 90% of second seasons are Always rated higher here on Mal (unless they are consistently worse than the first one, of course). Never heard about the sequel syndrome? That's it. Split seasons are (almost) Always an advantage for the latest seasons. |
Giulia14Jul 2, 2019 4:03 AM
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| It's easier for a sequel series to be highly rated than a standalone or first series. The only people watching a sequel series are the ones who enjoyed the previous parts, hence the inflated scores. And the more parts, the more this effect gets exagerated, with only diehard fans keeping up. With that said, FMAB divided in arcs would probably be lower rated in the early arcs and even higher rated than now in the final arcs, so this is a non-argument. |
| Even if SnK didn't meak FMA, there's still one more season to go. Sames goes for Gintama who also have a chance if new season announce. |
Gorochu said: new season already announceEven if SnK didn't meak FMA, there's still one more season to go. Sames goes for Gintama who also have a chance if new season announce. xD |
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| Still though, it was nice to see another show get a rating above 9, I hope we get more shows like this in the future! |
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AForgottenSoul said: Not as impressive as FMAB in your opinion.. to me this season had more emotion and impact then the whole of FMAB. hahahaha, wait are you serious? Last I checked the characters were still shit and the pacing and introduction of "Grisha Yeager arc" was so rushed. |
Steiner1411 said: Still though, it was nice to see another show get a rating above 9, I hope we get more shows like this in the future! Aye, it's hard for a popular show to get stable combined score of 9+/10. More animes like that will only my benefit us as the viewers.who will be given more opportunities to watch high quality animes. |
Pragyan1 said: AForgottenSoul said: Not as impressive as FMAB in your opinion.. to me this season had more emotion and impact then the whole of FMAB. hahahaha, wait are you serious? Last I checked the characters were still shit and the pacing and introduction of "Grisha Yeager arc" was so rushed. Erwin, Kenny, Historia? I get it, Eren is annoying but saying he didn't develop is tad wrong. Mikasa is annoying, Armin is alright. Reiner and Zeke will be explored next season and will be arguably the best characters along with season 4 eren. And pacing for the grisha flashback was alright. It was only supposed to be a brief and a lot better pacing than how fmab started |
ThatShiny_Hex said: Pragyan1 said: hahahaha, wait are you serious? Last I checked the characters were still shit and the pacing and introduction of "Grisha Yeager arc" was so rushed. Erwin, Kenny, Historia? I get it, Eren is annoying but saying he didn't develop is tad wrong. Mikasa is annoying, Armin is alright. Reiner and Zeke will be explored next season and will be arguably the best characters along with season 4 eren. And pacing for the grisha flashback was alright. It was only supposed to be a brief and a lot better pacing than how fmab started The pacing for Grisha's past was horrid. Do they really expect me to understand the lore, the history and the political struggles of the world along with a freaking revolution in just 20 minutes? I used to hate Eren, but now he's ok for me. Every other character is shit. Levi and Jean are fine. There are like 5 good characters in a cast of 25+ characters and that's just 20%. |
Giulia14 said: keragamming said: People want to see their favorite at the top, it's human nature. But I made this thread for argument purpose, seeing too many of those comments being aim at snk, so I'm just putting another perspective out there that people were not aware of. Human nature? Not really. My favorite is Haikyuu and i don't care about seeing it at the top, that's why i didn't rate all its seasons a 10. I guess i'm not human, lol I say this as someone who dropped Fullmetal Alchemist at episode 20 because it was mad boring, with rushed beginning, bad build up, bad atmosphere, AWFUL comedy that ruins the tension etc... But your logic is wrong. If Gintama had one season with 350 episodes is would be rate lower, NOT higher. Why? Because the majority of people who didn't like season 1 never bother watching the other seasons. That's why the 90% of second seasons are Always rated higher here on Mal (unless they are consistently worse than the first one, of course). Never heard about the sequel syndrome? That's it. Split seasons are (almost) Always an advantage for the latest seasons. I guess you are not aware of the 1/5th rule? Most persons wont watch 100 episode of a series they don't like. Yes I am aware of the sequel effect, but as I said I think full adaptation and sequels both cancel each other out, both have benefits. One has the full package the other is broken up into parts, which could be argue that it would be a stronger season if they all were joined together as one. dc22 said: It's easier for a sequel series to be highly rated than a standalone or first series. The only people watching a sequel series are the ones who enjoyed the previous parts, hence the inflated scores. And the more parts, the more this effect gets exagerated, with only diehard fans keeping up. With that said, FMAB divided in arcs would probably be lower rated in the early arcs and even higher rated than now in the final arcs, so this is a non-argument. So you do agree with me that the earlier arcs would be lower and I said the exact same thing in my post that the final arc would probably be at the same score or even higher, so how is that a non argument? lol? The only people watching a sequel series are the ones who enjoyed the previous parts, hence the inflated scores Generally yes, but not everyone that is at the latest season liked the previous season. The thing I hate about this statement is that you guys are assuming that the persons that didn't like the first season, would also not liked this season. Let's us not kid our self here, the general comment around is that this season is the best season of attack on titan, two episode f this season, is voted as the best episodes of all time on imdb. https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?title_type=tv_episode&num_votes=1000,&sort=user_rating,desc And this season is being ranked as either number 1 and 2 or top 10 in many different sites. Also there is a lot of variation, as in some fans liked the first season, but didn't like the 2nd season, but liked the season 3 part 2, while others didn't like the previous 3 seasons but loved this current season. my point is that it is a lot more complex than how you are making out to be, the 3 previous seasons were all 8.4, why is this one different than the others? this sequel effect didn't seem to be working for season 2 and 3, so the question should be why now? Why is this season different from the rest? this is why I said, your argument is too shallow, the quality of the series definitely have to be put into this argument for such a big jump, than "only the fans are watching it" argument. |
keragammingJul 2, 2019 8:53 AM
Pragyan1 said: ThatShiny_Hex said: Erwin, Kenny, Historia? I get it, Eren is annoying but saying he didn't develop is tad wrong. Mikasa is annoying, Armin is alright. Reiner and Zeke will be explored next season and will be arguably the best characters along with season 4 eren. And pacing for the grisha flashback was alright. It was only supposed to be a brief and a lot better pacing than how fmab started The pacing for Grisha's past was horrid. Do they really expect me to understand the lore, the history and the political struggles of the world along with a freaking revolution in just 20 minutes? I used to hate Eren, but now he's ok for me. Every other character is shit. Levi and Jean are fine. There are like 5 good characters in a cast of 25+ characters and that's just 20%. *50 minutes. You got a whole 2 episodes with no OP and a half ED. If you were paying attention from the first season, you should know that the storytelling is not linear. The history and the political struggles that are shown in this season is just chapter 86-90 while it is actually 85-99. Actually, the number of characters are around 15. Still can't see how Erwin was 'shit' or annoying. The only shit character is Mikasa. Something you didn't appreciate about Sasha and Connie. Both aren't supposed to be talented like Jean or Armin nor are any significant fighters like Mikasa or Eren. They are just your average scout from 104 and their growth with the story is a shortcut of how a normal person would have grown in such situations. Kenny was a fleshed out villain who wasn't really a villain. Historia had a great character arc from her being a moe character to what she is now. Although she is a hit or miss. You pretty much don't know anything about Zeke, Bert changed a lot from who he was, in a positive way. Reiner and Ymir work on a complex psychological level. |
Lol, 50 minutes? The whole revolution and lore was summed up in one episode the next episode was just owl persuading Grisha to complete his mission. ThatShiny_Hex said: Something you didn't appreciate about Sasha and Connie. Both aren't supposed to be talented like Jean or Armin nor are any significant fighters like Mikasa or Eren. They are just your average scout from 104 and their growth with the story is a shortcut of how a normal person would have grown in such situations. A "normal" person wouldn't shout "pervert" when trying to take down the armoured titan. Sasha's backstory was basically, "she eats a lot and thus gets scolded for it". We don't know shit about Connie and he's just an expendable character. |
| This is a notion that I hold as well and it has a very simple but effective logic behind it. Viewers who didn't find a show to their liking will usually not watch any subsequent seasons. And mathematically if variables who are below a mean are removed from the equation the mean will increase. That's why garnering a score of 9 as a standalone is more impressive than as the 4th installment of an established franchise. |
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| I will get off of this thread's main track, however my question is connected with it. I'm wondering what is happening with this shop's score? Amount of 10/10 scores went down a little bit and the combined score decreased from 9.23 to 9.21, even when after episode 10 (the final one) it noted rather small, but stable, increase. No need to panic, it's not an anomaly and the score is still impressive, but dunno why it is gradually getting down. Trolls can't be blamed, as for I didn't notice any remarkable changes in <5 scores, especially not much more 1/10 scores were given. |
| Seems like it won't get top spot anyway :), and you can't even blame the 1s since Gintama and Legend of the galactic heroes have got a lot more. Bye bye to all the people that created 2nd accounts just to boost this series <3 |
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| The booster accounts ends here. To the true score awaits. |
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| Is it not enough for you that's in the #2 spot atm? Ranking doesn't even matter. |
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chriskor022 said: The booster accounts ends here. To the true score awaits. Give me your prediction on where it will be by the end of this month. Tropisch said: Is it not enough for you that's in the #2 spot atm? Ranking doesn't even matter. This has more to do with the argument than the ranking, people are saying it is this high because its a sequel, I'm countering that argument that is all. I'm ok with the current rating, heck I didn't even expect it to be this high, but when I say persons saying things that are factually wrong, I can't help myself but to counter their argument. |
Laracroft01 said: Adnash93 said: I will get off of this thread's main track, however my question is connected with it. I'm wondering what is happening with this shop's score? Amount of 10/10 scores went down a little bit and the combined score decreased from 9.23 to 9.21, even when after episode 10 (the final one) it noted rather small, but stable, increase. No need to panic, it's not an anomaly and the score is still impressive, but dunno why it is gradually getting down. Trolls can't be blamed, as for I didn't notice any remarkable changes in <5 scores, especially not much more 1/10 scores were given. Because 9 and 8 ratings are increasing at a higher rate than 10. "YoU wRoNG it'S bEcAuSE oF tHe 1s" typical SnK fanboy not being aware that Gintama and Legend of the galactic heroes have way more 1s |
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Laracroft01 said: Because 9 and 8 ratings are increasing at a higher rate than 10. I considered it as a reason of the score going down as well, though I'm surprised that there are that much 8/10 and 9/10 to decrease 10/10 scores' number rather fast. Not that it's something to be unnatural, but I didn't expect it to go that way. ;p Btw. welcome on MAL! ;) @justasadguy , whut? Who were you talking to exactly in such toxic way? |
AdnashJul 2, 2019 1:03 PM
| @shanimebib gintama isn't that great it has mediocre humor and slow paced plot due to episodes dedicated to repetitive humor would have been a lot better if it had less episodes because it wouldn't feel as repetitive maybe im just too old for that type of humor but comedy anime tend to be highly subjective anyway, you can see the majority of the audience are teenagers or people who can't grow up. thats why its rated so highly its just 5th grader humor |
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AbuelitaDeBatman said: Shingeki no Kyojin (Manga) - 8.52 Fullmetal Alchemist (Manga) - 9.13 .. But shingeki no kyojin still ongoing |
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| Oh no, now its 9.21 :( |
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Giulia14 said: keragamming said: People want to see their favorite at the top, it's human nature. But I made this thread for argument purpose, seeing too many of those comments being aim at snk, so I'm just putting another perspective out there that people were not aware of. Human nature? Not really. My favorite is Haikyuu and i don't care about seeing it at the top, that's why i didn't rate all its seasons a 10. I guess i'm not human, lol I say this as someone who dropped Fullmetal Alchemist at episode 20 because it was mad boring, with rushed beginning, bad build up, bad atmosphere, AWFUL comedy that ruins the tension etc... But your logic is wrong. If Gintama had one season with 350 episodes is would be rate lower, NOT higher. Why? Because the majority of people who didn't like season 1 never bother watching the other seasons. That's why the 90% of second seasons are Always rated higher here on Mal (unless they are consistently worse than the first one, of course). Never heard about the sequel syndrome? That's it. Split seasons are (almost) Always an advantage for the latest seasons. I agree. While I still like fmab so far, it definitely doesn't deserve that no1 spot Also gintama is so boring im actually amazed so many ppl like it |
chriskor022 said: The booster accounts ends here. To the true score awaits. There’s no true score. The amount of alts and fakes on snk and fmab is massive.. especially fmab |
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chriskor022 said: The booster accounts ends here. To the true score awaits. Nurguburu said: Oh no, now its 9.21 :( Its getting voting bombed at ones which is pretty funny. |
| I like how people are low key criticizing Gintama for no reason whatsoever. And then they complain about their fav show getting a "lot" of 1s. Open Gintama° stats and see the percentage of 1s lol. |
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| The real scores are the manga's FmA : 9.13 SnK : 8.52 I didn't read SnK, only watched the anime, so I don't know how good/bad the art is, also it hasn't ended (scores tend to change by the time the series end) So for handicap purpose I'll reduce/add the scores by 0.25 respectively ;-) FmA : 8.88 SnK : 8.77 And FmA still takes the lead |
Edocchi said: The real scores are the manga's FmA : 9.13 SnK : 8.52 I didn't read SnK, only watched the anime, so I don't know how good/bad the art is, also it hasn't ended (scores tend to change by the time the series end) So for handicap purpose I'll reduce/add the scores by 0.25 respectively ;-) FmA : 8.88 SnK : 8.77 And FmA still takes the lead You said it yourself it hasn't ended, so how is that a fair comparison? |
| Well the score is dropping, so hopefully we can finally stop this discussion. Until season 4 comes and we go back to the same thing all over again. |
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beanie_weeny said: Well, the topic here is comparing sequel vs fully adapted. And since comparing the anime isn't fair, so I brought the manga up. Also in case you didn't notice, I said it jokingly. Don't take it too seriously man. We all know SnK is the best anime ever ;-)Edocchi said: The real scores are the manga's FmA : 9.13 SnK : 8.52 I didn't read SnK, only watched the anime, so I don't know how good/bad the art is, also it hasn't ended (scores tend to change by the time the series end) So for handicap purpose I'll reduce/add the scores by 0.25 respectively ;-) FmA : 8.88 SnK : 8.77 And FmA still takes the lead How can you say that they are the real score ? the reason why attack on titan is popular is because of the anime and not the manga. The anime's art is way better than the manga art. You cant compare the scores like that when the author himself is not that good.And we were talking only about the anime.The main reason both the anime are getting lower scores are because of idiots who never watched them are bombing it with 1s for the sake of it. And almost all the MAL scores and invalid and you cant call one anime better than the other because people's taste change. |
EdocchiJul 2, 2019 9:31 PM
ianpyrider said: Bruh the only reason this is so high is because the only people still watching are dumb fucks that thought the first two seasons were masterpieces. Now that the show is actually doing some interesting stuff, yall think it's the greatest thing ever. Yeah, it's really good, but nowhere remotely close to the best, and it's frankly shameful that we as a community are pointing to this poorly paced edgefest of a show and telling new viewers this is the best the medium has to offer. This also points out a key issue I've had with MAL for a while now: different ratings for different portions of a show. Works of art should be regarded as a whole, seeing as you can't watch things like AOT Season 3 Part 2 without slogging through a pile of garbage. Part of what makes television such an effective medium its ability to provide an extensive scope, where themes can permeate and characters develop through a longer time frame. Great moments in television are often only able to have such an extensive impact because they build on what has come before. None of these things are appreciated by saying "oh yeah the cherry on top of that piece of shit was absolutely delicious." My thread literally was about that exact same comment and you are repeating the same shit? Did you even read my post? Attack on titan is the best anime of all time, try and prove me wrong, spoiler alert you can't! I've been hearing this shit since 2013, you guys don't phase me with those comments. Then you gave the latest season a 1/10 because it surpasses most of your favorite anime, you big emotional baby. lmao |
keragammingJul 2, 2019 9:54 PM
| Let's just end this with this perspective, since FMAB's rating tops other fully adapted anime in a single entry then: MAL's top 1 fully adapted anime in a single entry is FMAB While AoT S3Pt.2 rating currently (score is dropping) tops other sequel anime then:: MAL'S top 1 sequel anime is AoT S3Pt.2 Your name rating tops other movies so: MAL's top 1 movie anime is Your Name |
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