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Jun 17, 11:53 AM
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This all started because the demons were plaguing Daigo's lands Instead of fighting the demons he sold his sons to the demons. The disaster will not end until all the demons are dead. Glad Daigo finally decided to fight instead of depending on the demons. A truly Japanese ending would have the entire family and the demons dead. The castle is already burning so we are part way there
 
Jun 17, 11:54 AM

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Damn, again what an episode.

So the real message of the whole show is the strong vs the weak(Thanks to the conversation between Dororo, Hyakkimaru's mother, priest and the villagers).

The weak people in this case is Daigo, he is the lord of his land and he couldn't bring prosperity to it by his own hands. Instead he made a taboo deal with demons.

The strong people in this case is Hyakkimaru, he is the single person(not royalty) that's getting whats he wants by his bare hands(which he got this episode)

But both these types of people are demons,
Daigo(weak) - Finding inhuman ways(taboo deal) to do human deeds(prosperity of the land),
Hyakkimaru(strong) - Doing inhuman deeds(killing everything that's against him) to become human.
And like Dororo said the only way they wouldn't become demons is because of their hearts, Hyakkimaru's heart is Dororo(and still to a extent his mother), she will stop Hyakkimaru from himself. But what's Daigo's heart, his family, no(Daigo decides to go to war instead of helping his favored son), Daigo's heart is his land, he does everything for his land, he's raising Tahomaru not to fatherly love but the intent of bestowing a future lord for his beloved LAND, probably the last time he's going to be seeing his son, he chooses to go to war for the LAND. But his beloved land has already gone to hell, no way he's going to be human at the end of this.

Tahomaru in this case doesn't fall under weak nor strong, he's the human in this conflict that's carrying out his WEAK fathers will. He himself haven't done any inhuman deeds to get what he wants. Yes he's depicted as being demon but he himself didn't do the taboo to get Hyakkimaru's eye, it's Mutsu's fault. So I think if he dies, he's going to die a human.

Hyogo and Mutsu in my eyes did nothing wrong, they were given a second chance in life by Daigo and be by Tahomaru's side their whole lives.

From what Dororo told the villagers, about being strong is fine if you know your heart, I feel like their is going to be some sort of revolution to overthrow the samurai control and Dororo's treasure could become useful in that case. So please let us have a happy ending.

Jukai what are you doing....
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Jun 17, 11:56 AM

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Intense episode, I can't wait to see Tahomaru get cut down. And what the heck is Jukai planing to do with that figure?
 
Jun 17, 12:12 PM

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This was a decent episode, but so much of it was just repeating questions and platitudes that the series has been exploring all along, without adding much new to the discussion.

Hopefully the finale proves conclusive and doesn't just obsess over philosophical platitudes in the least subtle fashion imaginable.
 
Jun 17, 12:14 PM
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Well, this episode was rather nerv wrecking. So, those two died, their deaths didn't feel in any way tragic though, just fast. The final battle between Hyakkimaru and his brother is awesome & tragic. Great episode.
 
Jun 17, 12:15 PM

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It was satisfying seeing Mutsu and Hyogo die honestly. They couldn't honor a 1v1 and got their shit handed to them by Rapidash
 
Jun 17, 12:17 PM

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rip to the horsie (again)
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Jun 17, 12:18 PM
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Rspidash is now my favorite pokemon after this episode
 
Jun 17, 12:54 PM

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Wow, amazing. I'm speechless. Everything was top-notch. Waiting for the next week finale is gonna be tough.
 
Jun 17, 1:00 PM

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Intense episode with so much truth in it
 
Jun 17, 1:06 PM

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ArcturusMi said:
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So by pursuing Hyakkimaru, Tahomaru's actions led to:
- the demonization of the horse, thus the killing of many soldiers of Daigo's land;
- the death of both his servants/friends;
- the fire of hos own castle.

And he's still saying that the one destroying the land is Hyakkimaru? Come on.
Really? Hyakki retrieving his body parts caused suffering to the entire Daigo.

It's the opposite. Hyakki becoming an unwilling sacrifice caused prosperity to the entire land. They were suffering before anyways, retrieving the body parts just marks the end of that contract.
Ahomaru had easy childhood thanks to his big bros sacrifice. By refusing to let go of this, people like him caused additional unneeded suffering.

In summary - humanking is ungrateful scum which should be extinct already.
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Jun 17, 1:07 PM

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Holy shit, Hyogo and Mutsu's deaths were brutal. And RIP again horse mom.
I'm so excited and scared for the ending.
 
Jun 17, 1:13 PM

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Rip our Rapidash.
 
Jun 17, 1:17 PM
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Bangalo said:
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It is really hard to pick a side in all this, both sides have reasons .. and i dare to say valid reasons, for their actions. Next week is the finale. Also those villagers that has been on screen for like two episodes by now, i hope they are somehow part of Dororo and her treasure sublot.


What do you mean? Hyaka deserves what's his, you should fight for what is yours. That prosperity wasn't a fruit of their labour. It would be a different story if someone was undoing a self-sacrifice.

Totally agreed. I'm rooting for Hyakkimaru
 
Jun 17, 1:37 PM

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Bangalo said:
Swagernator said:
It is really hard to pick a side in all this, both sides have reasons .. and i dare to say valid reasons, for their actions. Next week is the finale. Also those villagers that has been on screen for like two episodes by now, i hope they are somehow part of Dororo and her treasure sublot.


What do you mean? Hyaka deserves what's his, you should fight for what is yours. That prosperity wasn't a fruit of their labour. It would be a different story if someone was undoing a self-sacrifice.


Here here! Daigo should rot for messing with demons. Hyakki is the right party. He just needs to not turn demonic

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ArcturusMi said:
Really? Hyakki retrieving his body parts caused suffering to the entire Daigo.

It's the opposite. Hyakki becoming an unwilling sacrifice caused prosperity to the entire land. They were suffering before anyways, retrieving the body parts just marks the end of that contract.
Ahomaru had easy childhood thanks to his big bros sacrifice. By refusing to let go of this, people like him caused additional unneeded suffering.

In summary - humanking is ungrateful scum which should be extinct already.


Couldn’t have said it better myself

RIP RAPIDASH 😭😭😭
 
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hyogo ablity to stand up and thrust a sword without his head was pretty goddamn stupid and unnecessary. but yeah action theme in this anime is bad as hell anyway lmao
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YES MUTSU AND HYOGO DIED
YESSSSSSSSSSSS THE BEST MOMENT OF THE SERIES

I too felt the excitement of them dying. But now it kinda feels disgusting. Even though they walked the path of cruelty for their savior their lord, they were human after all.
RIP Hyogo and Mutsu, The siblings that were too loyal to be evil.
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dasprn said:
Lel0uchZer0 said:
YES MUTSU AND HYOGO DIED
YESSSSSSSSSSSS THE BEST MOMENT OF THE SERIES

I too felt the excitement of them dying. But now it kinda feels disgusting. Even though they walked the path of cruelty for their savior their lord, they were human after all.
RIP Hyogo and Mutsu, The siblings that were too loyal to be evil.

Naaaah fam they deserved it so much
They dare say to hya that that isn't his body
They deserved it
 
Jun 17, 2:02 PM

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Lel0uchZer0 said:
dasprn said:

I too felt the excitement of them dying. But now it kinda feels disgusting. Even though they walked the path of cruelty for their savior their lord, they were human after all.
RIP Hyogo and Mutsu, The siblings that were too loyal to be evil.

Naaaah fam they deserved it so much
They dare say to hya that that isn't his body
They deserved it

Even though that was far too brutal to be called even.
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Jun 17, 2:14 PM

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The end is nigh. Could it be a tragic ending like the manga, or just a bittersweet ending like the 1969 anime? Either way, we can all expect full existentialism.
 
Jun 17, 2:29 PM
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Imagine siding with the person trying to kill thousands for a better quality of life for himself.
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Jun 17, 2:59 PM

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RIP Rapidash, I will sure remember those brutal treatment he got even by headless guy. Glad to see Ponyta managed to hold up his emotions at the end.

Well the show has been so silent for long time and finally they brought up epic music made the last scenes very cool. This is kind of interesting scenarios the show has been missing for so long and could better off as one cour that could make more action packed instead of so many draggy moments and repetitive character developments.

Anyway we are very close to conclusion and have a feeling that will be tragic. Definitely don't make sense it would end like 69s version as how wild Hyakkimaru developed during 2nd half.
 
Jun 17, 3:28 PM
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RIP Rapidash horsie...


Agree, Rapidash was best character.
Poor Horsie.
Also loved this episode, i'll hope for a good finale.
 
Jun 17, 3:58 PM

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That horse is brutal lol. RIP her, Hyogo and Mutsu. Well, Hyakkimaru got his arms back.

So, the show will end with the fight between the two brothers. Also, what will Jukai do'? Is Daigo going to die in the war?
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Jun 17, 4:24 PM
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NV_ Like Nui said, the prosperity in the land based on a single person being robbed of their body was never going to last. For one thing the contract is with Kagemitsu Daigo so it would disappear as soon as he dies. The only way they can get lasting prosperity is by improving their lives themselves. Also Daigo free'd the demons from the shrine by making the deal so other domains were effected for the worst by the demons, such as Bandai and the giant centipede. This isn't one life vs a domain. Daigo's land did the equivalent of being in the middle of the desert and eating a baby when it won't save you.
 
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Gosh, I cannot believe there is only one episode left wow
This was a great episode~!
 
Jun 17, 4:44 PM

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The nerve and entitlement of Tahomaru, and his retainers, I swear. Saying that Hyakkimaru's body was "never his", and that they would take back what is "theirs". Not that I expected otherwise, but to the very end Tahomaru and Daigo couldn't see Hyakkimaru as a human being, just as the sacrificial pawn that his own "father" tried to turn him into. His "brother" also referred to him as "that thing" and worse, when he is no longer human himself, and his "father", in a similar way to before, referred to him as "demon's leftovers." Thankfully Midoro killed Hyogo and Mutsu, and Hyakkimaru got his arms back, but sadly the demon mare died in the process. At least it could see its foal one last time.

I just hope Jukai, Dororo, and Hyakkimaru's mother won't do anything stupid. Tahomaru ran away to the castle because he believed he would have the advantage in an enclosed space, but hopefully Hyakkimaru is going to retrieve his eyes very soon too. Hyakkimaru didn't need to dirty his hands with Hyogo and Mutsu, but I guess there's no other way now. Hopefully Daigo will also meet his end fighting the Asakura army, and I hope Hyakkimaru's hands are fine after gripping his swords like that.
 
Jun 17, 5:22 PM

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The two assistants of Tahomarou got beaten up by the horse. Hyakkimaru finally obtained his arms and it was painful to see him doing sword fighting with his bleeding hands. I want that greedy Tahomarou guy to die and let his brother live. I wish Dororo and Hyakkimaru could live in peace and happiness. I still have my hope for a happy ending.
 
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Imagine siding with the person trying to kill thousands for a better quality of life for himself.


Imagine siding with thousands who sacrifice innocent child to demons so they can have better life for themselves.
As was said, Hyaka deserves what's his, you should fight for what is yours. That prosperity wasn't a fruit of their labour.
They should fight for their prosperity. Not parasite on innocent person's life.
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If the demons are causing the issues, KILLING them is the more logical solution to the problems. If it's nature, and the demons are just holding nature back, then that's not solving the issue anyway, that's just postponing it until the demons want a new sacrifice.

So at worst, killing the demons lets nature take it's course. Then the humans have to work around nature, as we do IRL. That's the best solution.

Anyway, this episode was lit. I'm a bit sad that we didn't have Hyakkimaru going around getting 48 body parts from 48 demons like in the original source, but this is also a very satisfying adaptation (thus far, obvs). Cutting it down seems to have worked well for the production overall. I'm super hyped for next week's finale but also sad that it's coming to end. One of the only two shows currently airing that I really really look forward to anymore... (Kimetsu being the other one, if anyone is curious)
 
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I liked that Horse man, it was so badass and very beautiful. Wish it didn't have to die!

Can't wait for the last episode, a week is a decade!
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Did two of the best warriors augmented by demonic powers really got killed by a stupid horse?
 
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Awesome episode overall, there's still one thing bugging me which is I need someone to explain to me how did that horse after being bombed to pieces just get back together and become super strong and also suddenly faithful to Haikimaru....
 
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Holy cow the build up is real!!! The way they set up the conflict of Hyakkimaru putting the land in jeopardy made me think that it wouldn't seem justifiable at the end, but somehow they managed to pull it off! And between Rapidash and Hyogo and Mutsu dying, this show isn't pulling any punches. I'm simultaneously anticipating and dreading the end of the series next week because this has been one heck of a ride!
 
Jun 17, 7:05 PM

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Best fucking ep of the show right here, The persistent sense of dread, the lengthy and extremely brutal battle between hyakimaru and Tahomaru across a variety of setpieces, the artsy as fuck final couple minutes, and finally topping it off with hyakimaru losing his humanity.

Its a real toss up how the ending will go for hyakimaru's fate, regardless the domain is fucked beyond repair. I think hyakimaru is probably going to live but honestly I kind of want the series to end with the entire bloodline dead alongside all the demons, I dont know it feels a bit more thematically appropriate.

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
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Neither side is right or wrong, when you think about it. However, the people have relied too much on the "artificial prosperity" of the land to where they've truly neglected how to attain something via your OWN labor.
 
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Great scenes, emotional scenes, sad scenes ... There was everything.

Again, they made me suffer for the white mare. They showed us a touching scene between mother and son 😢.
Dororo's words defending Hyakkimaru touched my heart. Actually, he loves Hyakkimaru as the brother he never had. It is the only family that has at this time 😟.

I am left with these phrases of Dororo and the mother of Hyakkimaru:
"What we do not get with our own hands, we can not protect it"
"It's not about strength, it's about the heart."

How does Dororo plan to stop Hyakkimaru ?. I hope this anime has a good ending. At the moment, he has a score of 8 insured on my part.

PS: I just realized that they reduced the 48 demons that devoured Hyakkimaru to only 12 demons.

The truth, I hope that in the end Hyakkimaru will face his father, and defeat that unfortunate one.
 
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Great episode.

It really is hard to pick sides in this, I feel bad for both of those brothers getting thrust into the position they are in. Had the circumstances been different, they would've grown up together. :(

Battle sequences this episode were awesome.

Finale next week, can't wait.
 
Jun 17, 8:25 PM

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This is so lame. These morons acting like villains and being obvious hypocrite. Hyakki having no personality. It's just so comedically dramatic.





 
Jun 17, 8:37 PM

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Hype hype hype for the next episode.
 
Jun 17, 9:36 PM
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in 10 years this will probably be considered a classic. it's checked off all the marks of a great jidaigeki drama
 
Jun 17, 9:44 PM
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Hyogo's death was fucking brutal and then the demon arm thing kicked it! loved that scene.
Ahhh i don't want this series to end, probably my AOTS (not including sequel like SnK III).
5/5

EDIT=Also in the first OP the rapidash horse is headless; was that foreshadowing Hyogo's death?
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The siblings are dead! Finally! That was so satisfying to see, Hyakki finally getting his arms back. I felt bad about Rapidash though :(

I don't know what Jukai is up to now and it worries me :/

So this is it, we're one episode away...
To be honest, I don't care who dies at this point, I just want Hyakki to get his body back and live happily with Dororo, everyone else I don't give a damn.

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asdqua said:
I've been wondering for a long time why don't Tahoumaru just offer his body instead


Hmm I've been wondering about that ever since the conflict was made known. My guess is that since the pact was already made, they cannot undo, alter or break the contract. As in, during the ritual, even though the criteria can be any of the Daigo's heir, the contract was made agreed using Hyakkimaru as the sacrifice, and thus it cannot be changed. The demon themselves probably couldn't alter the pact too.

Also, since most of the demons are already dead, I doubt they are able to do a re-contract with the demons using Tahomaru as the sacrifice. It might need the power of all 12 demons to initiate the pact.

These are just my guess, if there's anyone with a better hypothesis or the correct info do let me know too, thanks!

You may be right, it may be impossible to complete the contract without Hyakki's body, but the thing is Tahomaru didn't even try. He never thought about self sacrifice.

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Anime's good but the characters are all stupid. How can they keep making hyakki out to be a villiain like they don't gain from him being a sacrifice. They literally have no right to complain. They can fight it but their idea that they're in the right is just stupid.
Even the guy who makes the prosthetics is against hyakki taking his body back because "he'll become a demon" which is another dumb idea that characters have. He's simply taking back what's his I can't even feel sympathy for the people of daigo.

I completely agree with this. I love the anime but I'm tired of it trying to push this false morality on us in every single episode. They make all this big fuss about Hyakki spilling human blood, that "it will make him lose his humanity", like he's the only one killing humans lol... Daigo sacrificed an innocent baby, his own son to the demons, ins't that inhumane?
 
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Excellent episode. The tension does nothing but increase at every moment.

I really like how well Hyakki's dilemma is being handled so far. Nui's speech was perfect to sum it up. Now, let's see whether she will be able to do something to save both her children or not.

By the way, the choreography of the fights were absolutely outstanding and the OST was on point as well. I hope the finale can have the same quality.

Just one more episode. Really excited for it if I'm honest.
 
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This episode was absolutely amazing. Everything was near perfect. One of the best I've seen this year so far (which only JoJo part 5, Mob Psycho 100 S2, and Attack on Titan S3 part 2 have done) for me. Can't wait for the next episode, I am hoping for a bittersweet finale.
 
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Glad because Mutsu and Hyogo died. They deserve it and I don't care about them anyway.

I also want Tahomaru and Daigo dead next please. 1 episode to go omg :(
I still hope Hyakkimaru can get his eyes back to see Dororo T.T
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so why does hyakkimaru decide to use his arm blades and not the sword he has at his waist
 
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NV_ said:
Imagine siding with the person trying to kill thousands for a better quality of life for himself.

the thing is, he's not fighting for a better quality of life, hyakkimaru is fighting for the right to be alive. which he should have had since he was born.
 
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Really? Hyakki retrieving his body parts caused suffering to the entire Daigo.

It's the opposite. Hyakki becoming an unwilling sacrifice caused prosperity to the entire land. They were suffering before anyways, retrieving the body parts just marks the end of that contract.
Ahomaru had easy childhood thanks to his big bros sacrifice. By refusing to let go of this, people like him caused additional unneeded suffering.

In summary - humanking is ungrateful scum which should be extinct already.

How's it the opposite when it's the same thing you you just said.

Before Hyakki goes on to collect his body parts, the entire land of Daigo enjoyed their prosperity. Him begins his hunt made the land regress to a hellhole it was.

Taho simply choose the lives of many (Daigo) outweighs the life of one (Hyakki). And while it's morally unquestionable, he has a good reason to do so, to prevent the suffering of the land of Daigo.

And Hyakki has "weak" reason to retrieve his body parts, "because it's mine". It takes episode 20 where he's in despair because he couldn't save Dororo whereas any normal human would with their real limbs, and the other is how he wants to become human, like Dororo.

This show has good morally grey area but it's wasted on viewers like you.
 
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NV_ said:
Imagine siding with the person trying to kill thousands for a better quality of life for himself.


Imagine siding with thousands who sacrifice innocent child to demons so they can have better life for themselves.
As was said, Hyaka deserves what's his, you should fight for what is yours. That prosperity wasn't a fruit of their labour.
They should fight for their prosperity. Not parasite on innocent person's life.

no hard work can change the nature dumbass.

First episode, landslide, drought, and famine.

Hard work my ass
 
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