How does Shield Hero compare to Re:Zero? Shield Hero is ...
| With Shield Hero's season slowly coming to an end, I would like to find out where people see it's place in the glorious history of anime. Talking absolute rating is pointless when you do not share a rating distribution, but you can always compare relatively. Not everybody knows the same shows, but that doesn't hurt much. To me Shield Hero is Isekai genre in name only, it mainly uses that trope for speeding up narration and never fully depends on it. In Re:Zero or SAO the whole story would collapse without the Isekai plot devices "restore point" or "omnipotent game controller". Shield Hero depends less on elements like that, it is closer to isekai-less epic fantasy such as Spice & Wolf, Made in Abyss, Ancient Mage Bride, or Danmachi. It still is Isekai, so it can compare to entries from both genres. I want to ask you to compare Shield to Re:Zero, which I consider the most direct and well-known competitor, and other shows you are familiar with and deem similar. Please use pseudo-math notation. "<" means better by 1 rating degree, "=" as good as. For my personal taste and known shows from fantasy and Isekai, I get: Youjo Senki = Danmachi < Re:Zero < Shield Hero = No Game No Life < Spice & Wolf < Made in Abyss Your mileage certainly will differ and I love to hear about it. |
inimJun 11, 2019 4:16 AM
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inim said: To me Shield Hero is Isekai genre in name only, it mainly uses that trope for speeding up narration and never fully depends on it. But it does depend on it. Naofumi is the only one who doesn't know the rules of that world and therefore faces problems. The other three heroes have different views about the new world and engage in arguments. They wouldn't have made mistakes (like leaving the dragon's corpse) if they didn't treat it as a game. Naofumi constantly thinks about going back to his world and that would shape his decisions. All of these developments wouldn't have been possible if it wasn't an isekai. As for your original Question, I would consider Danmachi and NGNL better than SH simply because they are more entertaining to watch. I haven't seen ReZero yet. I can't compare Spice and wolf as it focuses on romance and trading aspects and Made in abyss is about exploring the unkown. Shield hero's world is very similar to age of ancient kingdoms with magic thrown in. There is not much to explore. |
inim said: Youjo Senki = Danmachi < Re:Zero < Shield Hero = No Game No Life < Spice & Wolf < Made in Abyss Your mileage certainly will differ and I love to hear about it. Made in Abyss <<<<<< NGNL = Sheild Bro < Youjo Senki < Spice and Wolf = Re:Zero in my opinion |
| Re:zero is the best anime of all time imo...so yeah, worse than that. Still pretty fine tho If I were to make a ranking using the anime u mentioned it'd be smth like: Re:Zero >>> No game No Life > Made In Abyss > Spice & Wolf > Danmachi > Shield Hero (Haven't watched Youjo Senki) |
vhagar8Jun 11, 2019 12:18 PM
| Did you just put Made in Abyss as the worst one? LMAO And what has it do to with anything here |
| It's definitely better than Re:Zero, which doesn't say much, considering that the only isekai I can list that is worse of re:zero is...Girls bravo. If you ever find a worse isekai than this one, don't bother telling me btw; as I certainly DON'T want to know~. So using those you listed Re:Zero<< NGNL < Shield Hero < Danmachi<<< Youjo Senki <= Spice & Wolf <= Made in Abyss ; and the best three are all very good so the order don't feel really that important. |
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AddiTeacha2 said: Why is made in abyss mentioned? It's not an isekai HE did say fantasy and isekai. Spice & wolf and danmachi are no isekai either. |
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| Shield Emo is horrible, and given how many people have expressed disappointment with the anime after episode 4/5, I think it will widely be remembered as such - at least, to the extent that it is remembered at all. Regardless, the fanboys will go on believing that the fake edge and "mature" themes make this series a masterpiece. |
| If we're talking about early Shield Hero, then I would put it up there as a pretty good isekai. Now though SH taken a big drop In terms of the ones you mentioned: DanMachi <<<<< Shield Hero < Youjo Senki <= Spice and Wolf << Re:Zero = NGNL <<< Made in Abyss Xenocrisi said: Did you just put Made in Abyss as the worst one? LMAO And what has it do to with anything here pretty sure they put MiA as the best one lol... |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| The best of Re:Zero and Shield are about the same. The worst of Re:Zero was a full on cringefest, whereas the worst of Shield was just boring. By that, I'd say Shield is better. As for the other shows: Danmachi <<<< Re:Zero < Shield Hero <= Slime <<< Spice & Wolf < No Game No Life = KonoSuba |
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SSL443 said: Shield Emo is horrible, and given how many people have expressed disappointment with the anime after episode 4/5, I think it will widely be remembered as such - at least, to the extent that it is remembered at all. Regardless, the fanboys will go on believing that the fake edge and "mature" themes make this series a masterpiece. Both Re:Zero and Shield Hero fall into this, and be sure Arifureta and Mushoku Tensei will too. Isekai fanboys are way too easily impressible. |
Rhapsody- said: Both Re:Zero and Shield Hero fall into this, and be sure Arifureta and Mushoku Tensei will too. Isekai fanboys are way too easily impressible. The Shield*** fanboys are extra special. |
| this trash is at the bottom of the list |
HopefulNihilist said: I've only read a couple of the chapters from the Shield Hero manga, but I'm assuming that the anime follows the manga: 1) Focus Shield Hero feels far more focused to me. What do I mean? Well, within the first few chapters of Shield Hero, there's a clear idea of where the story is going: the protagonist is trying to help save the world. Within the first few episodes of Re: Zero, I literally had no clue where the story is going; what is the protagonist's goal what is he trying to accomplish, which I still barely know even 25 episodes later. Because Re: Zero has no sense of focus, all its gore and violence come off to me as almost pointless, thus edgy: sure, there are plot points hinted at, but what about in the meantime? Yes, season 1 of Re: Zero is supposed to be a, "prologue" but even prologues have a keen direction. The Golden Age Arc of Berserk was a prologue, and it had a very clear focus: to crown Griffith king. 2) Stakes There are no stakes in Re: Zero, because Subaru always conveniently resets to the right checkpoint. Maybe this might change in future seasons, but at the very least, season 1 sucks for these reasons. The 25 eps of Re: Zero we got, could've showed Subaru permanently failing at points, but it doesn't. Subaru's "tactics" are painfully basic. You'd think that with all the heavy stuff he faces, it would cause his adrenaline rush to get him to start thinking insane tactics like in Ultimate Survivor Kaiji, but no. 3) Protagonists Naofumi >> Subaru. Naofumi's personality is less quirky (unlike Subaru who's just plain annoying) and down-to-Earth, and the story perfectly justifies him becoming an asshole. Yes, Subaru does mature, but I would've preferred to see a much darker side to his personality for a while. For example, show him genuinely traumatized for a big chunk of the series: have him experience flashbacks, more nightmares, hallucinations, trust issues, etc. Subaru's baseline character doesn't make sense either: does it make sense for him to be glad to be transported into an isekai? Yes. Does it make sense for him to literally never question how he got transported into an isekai? No. It's basic human nature to question things that happen spontaneously. If a beautiful girl I had a crush on suddenly confessed to me, I wouldn't just immediately go out with her, I would've asked her why she confessed to me. Imagine how interesting it would be if Subaru was so shocked at being transported into a fantasy world, he'd have difficulty comprehending his surroundings for a while: because the idea of a fantasy world existing is beyond our concept of reality. So what would happen if that concept of reality was breached? Re: Zero has a lot of potential, but utilizes very little of it. Compared to other isekai series, Shield Hero bores me, in that I feel as though even if it has a focus, it feels like stuff just kinda happens. Or maybe it's because I'm in the early chapters. I find No Game No Life far more entertaining, story and character wise than Shield Hero. So basically: Made in Abyss > Spice and Wolf > Shield Hero >>>> Re: Zero This. For me Re:Zero is hot garbage and Shield Hero is mediocre. |
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| There is nothing redeeming about Shield hero that can be considered As Good & this is coming from someone who loves the Manga/LN |
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| Well if we're comparing all the ones you mentioned then probably: No Game No Life > Re:Zero > Made in Abyss > Spice & Wolf > Youjo Senki > Shield Hero = Danmachi Last one depends on how you look at it. Danmachi eventually becomes quite good around volume 7-8 or so but the anime hasn't gotten there yet Either way, NGNL/Re:Zero/MiA/S&W are quite far ahead of the rest of the pack |
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| Youjo Senki = KonoSuba > Re:Zero = Overlord = SAO > DanMachi |
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dontusman said: Where would Shield Hero fit into your equation? And I intentionally left out Konosuba (same league as Spice&Wolf in my book) because it is isekai in name only to me. The characters and their comic power would work in any genre, so the fantasy aspect is almost accidential. It's the brilliantly designed sitcom cast which resonates with me.Youjo Senki = KonoSuba > Re:Zero = Overlord = SAO > DanMachi |
inimJun 12, 2019 6:31 AM
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inim said: dontusman said: Where does Shield Hero fit into your equation? And I intentionally left out Konosuba (same league as Spice&Wolf for me) because it is isekai in name only to me. The characters and their comic power would work in any genre, so the fantasy aspect is almost accidential. It is the brilliant sitcom cast which resonates with me.Youjo Senki = KonoSuba > Re:Zero = Overlord = SAO > DanMachi Hmm, i think it's = Danmachi. But i watch all DanMachi episodes. I'm just watch 3 episodes of Shield Hero because for me it's badly adapted. The LN was pretty good i think. I love konosuba with its way to parody the overpowered nice guy in isekai genre. Honestly, Youjo Senki was also badly adapted because in anime Tanya does not seems to any emotion aside from happiness or anger. But i'm also stupidly like her(his?) anime version. |
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Spice & Wolf > KonoSuba > Made in Abyss = Re:Zero = Overlord > Shield Hero = Danmachi = No Game No Life = Youjo Senki > Sword Art Online |
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| For me SH is the best isekai anime that have come out that I have seen and second best isekai that I have read(after Kumo desu ga, nani ka). Things that Shield hero have that others don't have/do as well and that I love in isekais. 1. Grinding. He starts from level 1 and he is leveling/gaining abilities almost every episodes. It feels like most of the things he gain, he have earned it as well. I also love optimizing stats, items etc. in games. 2. Competition. He starts with other isekai'd people that he have to compete and compare with. Later he realize that he have to work with his rivals to survive and to get stronger. 3. Mystery. I love gradually finding out about the main plot(the waves), the subplot(church vs shield) and the world. Also the audience knows about as much of the world as the MC so theorizing is fun. 4. Relateable. Although it is not always important that most things he does/feel I would do as well. It is a huge + for me especially in an isekai. 5. Emotional. Not only does it have a lot of sad/angry moments it also have a similar humor as me. There are few shows that I laugh at almost every joke and this is one of those. Granted I'm biased towards SH since I read the source of those and know where it is going. Unless Re:zero season 2 have a lot of grinding, competing and unraveling mysteries then it won't even come close for me. |
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Mattinator95 said: i was just about to say danmachi isn't an isekai until i read it properly. This poll is not limited to isekai, which isn't a "real" genre anyway - it's always an individual blend of action, fantasy, epic fantasy, drama, shounen, supernatural, magic, romance, ecchi and whatnot only unified by the fact there are elements from computer RPG used as plot or story devices. The degree to which that happens varies wildly from show to show. Also the weight of the ingredient genres in the mix and the influence on the plot differs wildly. In this thread I asked to compare with the epic fantasy genre as well as with the general class "isekai", because epic fantasy is the by far largest component used in SH's particular story design. This is also a large part of the rationale why in my personal taste Re:Zero < Shield Hero, I simply do not like action and shounen too much, and the weight of those are a lot higher in that show. |
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| Unsurprisingly, I think Shield Hero is bottom of the barrel isekai. Shield Hero < SAO < Re:Zero < Log Horizon |
| any other isekai ANIME < Konosuba = Youjo Senkii < Log Horizon < Shield Hero <= Re:Zero < Overlord = Tensura < No Game No Life < SAO |
ZeroDreaMJun 13, 2019 6:14 AM
| What are you talking about? obviously shield hero depends on an "Isekai plot devices" that is his shield and "hero status" which gives him many advantages, that nobody else has as the new skills, the fact that he does not seem omnipotent is no reason to think that he is excluded from other protagonists like subaru, this one has an advantage in this world, but that's not important, the problem is that the level of history and world construction is terrible, these shows seem more focused on making their protagonist suffer a hell so that Afterwards any achievement that they get seems well deserved, but that is very easy and basic. Berserk is not a good fantasy story simply because Guts suffered and was betrayed by his friend, is good because of the content and the development that the plot has, also of good characters. |
| Please don't compare this show to the quality of MiA and Spice and Wolf. This series really is quite average. Danmachi and Re:zero are both more entertaining than SH as well. |
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| Isekai is hot garbage in general. The only Isekai that was decent was NGNL. |
ArtifiyingsJun 12, 2019 2:52 PM
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Raphtaliamal said: Swizze said: Please don't compare this show to the quality of MiA and Spice and Wolf. This series really is quite average. Danmachi and Re:zero are both more entertaining than SH as well. I don't understand why people like you and others think spice and wolf are the top isekai series, the story is even very boring and bad, I even fall asleep when watching 1 episode, konosuba is even better and not boring in my opinion, oh yeah I add slime and Re zero, I'm never tired of watching these two series It's not even an isekai, and it's most likely because people like me can appreciate and enjoy witty dialogue and not just want to watch explosions all day every day. |
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| Shield hero is a low budget anime adaptation which derived from it's original source I can see why it's so popular , but it's actually not really that good as people claim. Danmachi = Shield Hero < Youjo Senki < Re Zero < No game no life < Spice and wolf <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< MADE IN ABYSS |
Artifiyings said: Isekai is hot garbage in general. The only Isekai that was decent was NGNL. Sounds like you haven't watched Twelve Kingdoms. Do that right now. |
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DeadBonesBrook said: Artifiyings said: Isekai is hot garbage in general. The only Isekai that was decent was NGNL. Sounds like you haven't watched Twelve Kingdoms. Do that right now. Thanks for the recommendation! I'm just getting tired of modern Isekai in general. |
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HopefulNihilist said: Fuck yea, I want the "Endless Three Hundred". I'm Haruhi Suzumiya and I approve this message.ItsBritneyBitch said: I never said the show needed 300 episodes for the protagonist to process the fact that he's in a fantasy world.I disagree that the show needed to show him gawking for 300episodes that the protagonist is in a new fantasy world ItsBritneyBitch said: or just the magnitude of a situation like the introduction to seeing the giant whale. ItsBritneyBitch said: Except when it was not. I'm not a shounen or action fan at all, and the White Whale and 80% of the Petelgeutse arc bored me to death.Re:Zero to me was more tight knit in how it was presented from start to end just as a story ItsBritneyBitch said: I only stayed in for everybody's favorite boob loli Rem. She is the only memorable thing in that show, the plot never hooked me.Maybe i got nostalgic goggles, i dont know. |
inimJun 12, 2019 7:27 PM
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| “All these shows are different in their own ways so it’s very immature for one to rank these shows.” - Yes I’m totally one of these people but for the sake of fun, I’ll just share my rankings using the shows that you’ve. Without further ado, here goes: Shield Hero << Danmachi = Spice & Wolf Season 2 < Spice & Wolf Season 1 = Made in Abyss < Youjo Senki < No Game No Life < Re:Zero. Shield Hero easily (and by far) the worst whereas Re:Zero is the best out of the 7 for me. Shield Hero has been bland for me throughout and I’m not finding myself to like or even care about any of the Characters aside from Raphtalia, Filo, that Shopkeeper and Melty to a certain extent. I don’t like/despise all the other Characters (and don’t even get me started here 😪), including even Naofumi. Re:Zero is my favourite by quite a bit but I loved No Game No Life a lot too so I’ll just stick with ‘<‘ and not ‘<<‘ although it could well be the case. Also, I split Spice & Wolf (Ookami to Koushinryou) into Seasons 1 & 2 because I enjoyed the first season more than its sequel. |
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| tfw you post this in ShieldHero forum and look at the result. Nothing more to say xD |
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| Re:Zero while no doubt entertaining, is also at the same time cringey because of Subaru, the MC himself while the opposite exists in Shield Hero. Subaru is also driven by his crush for Emilia which ofc the story most of the time focuses on the MC getting the girl type where I have seen tons of story already do, only difference is Re:Zero is pretty dark with all of the deaths and re-do's happening. Shield Hero on the other hand started with some fcked up allegations and mid way it became a redemption type of show with the story focusing on Nao redeeming himself, and later parts became the typical adventure isekai show with little to no romance because of reasons you will find out if you read the source , this is something I don't see much in an isekai show, although Raph does have a thing for him but Nao is oblivious to it so I give it a pass. Danmachi is in a way also a story about Bell wanting to stand up on his own and impress his crush. Haven't watched some of those in the list so I wont add them. At least for me its NGNL<<<Re:Zero<<DanMachi<Shield Hero<Spice&Wolf. And as you can see, I'm a sucker for shonen adventure types so obviously I'd prefer Shield Hero who's more into the action pace and cool powers than Re:Zero's cringey shonen shoujo type of isekai, I simply cannot stand Subaru's obnoxious behaviour around everyone, and Roswaal's way of speaking pains me. I do like Emilia a lot tho, more than the girls in Shield Hero which is how I'm still able to watch Re:Zero and I also like the mystery surrounding Satella. |
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| Shield Hero is one of the best isekai imo along with Re:Zero and Slime Spice & Wolf and Made in Abyss are not isekai |
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| Shield Hero is like Goblin Slayer, the first episode is trying to be edgy while the rest are trash. |
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