| I don’t like them. It doesn’t matter whether a loli is 8 or 800 - if she looks like a child, acts likes a child, and sounds like a child, then she’s a goddamm child. It still pedophilia since they find a loli’s prepubescent features sexually appealing. |
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allogeneous said: Loli might come from lolita, but that doesn't mean that it defines what a loli is today. Yes, maybe you're right at that, but it's still weird to call adolescents or normal child lolis, since it has all the weight of the fetish. Lunilah said: Rule 34 of the internet. Also that has nothing to do with his point. Google Beatrice, and google Yotsuba or Momo. Then come back here and tell both those characters are made to be normal children and that Beatrice has no intention whatsoever of enticing the loli appeal. epidemia78 said: You can find lewds of even the most wholesome characters, that doesn't prove anything. Beatrice is a loli but Maho isn't because of what? The clothes they wear? Haven't watched Re:Zero so I can't say much, but just by her appearance I can tell she was designed to appeal to that audience, just like Kanna. Me finding lewd art so fast was just to illustrate my point. Most characters that do not have that kind of appeal takes a little digging in finding lewd of them. Maho doesn't act the least childlike. She has absolutely nothing "loli" about her. Not even her appearance is made to appear childlike, unlike Beatrice. I mean, just compare her to Taiga or girls from Idol anime and you'll see the difference. That's mostly a running gag because she's small and is the only flat girl of the cast. It's not that uncommon to find 16~18yo+ girls like her, actually. Nevertheless, if you think about it, Steins;Gate is an otaku show. I'd say every girl is just there to appeal to some fantasy lol. Probably could say the same for Re:Zero. |
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| Never was really into that. loli stuff is creepy in my opinion |
meatbun_ said: Haven't watched Re:Zero so I can't say much, but just by her appearance I can tell she was designed to appeal to that audience, just like Kanna. Me finding lewd art so fast was just to illustrate my point. Most characters that do not have that kind of appeal takes a little digging in finding lewd of them. Maho doesn't act the least childlike. She has absolutely nothing "loli" about her. Not even her appearance is made to appear childlike, unlike Beatrice. I mean, just compare her to Taiga or girls from Idol anime and you'll see the difference. That's mostly a running gag because she's small and is the only flat girl of the cast. It's not that uncommon to find 16~18yo+ girls like her, actually. Nevertheless, if you think about it, Steins;Gate is an otaku show. I'd say every girl is just there to appeal to some fantasy lol. Probably could say the same for Re:Zero. So basically what you're saying is that a character is not a loli unless you, Meatbun of MAL says so. |
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DepravedMagi said: Finally. This seems like the first post that doesn't use an ill-defined concept to brush broad strokes (aside from the last sentence) and instead specifies everything to incite an actual back and forth conversation.I don’t like them. It doesn’t matter whether a loli is 8 or 800 - if she looks like a child, acts likes a child, and sounds like a child, then she’s a goddamm child. It still pedophilia since they find a loli’s prepubescent features sexually appealing. I can agree with the former but not the latter, i personally do see reality and fiction differently in specific contexts. That is to say there are people who are into it and are pedos, but that it isn't a fair comparison to make to encompass everybody. Specifically in the context of rampant sexual arousal, i am much more inclined to agree. meatbun_ said: I don't get your point. I've seen re:zero and Beatrice isn't a child and isn't sexualized, also for the intention of 'enticing the loli appeal', there is nothing wrong with that, as stated for Beatrice.Lunilah said: Rule 34 of the internet. Also that has nothing to do with his point. Google Beatrice, and google Yotsuba or Momo. Then come back here and tell both those characters are made to be normal children and that Beatrice has no intention whatsoever of enticing the loli appeal. meatbun_ said: You finding lewd art so fast is only indicative of rule 34, as that can be done with (as already stated) the most wholesome characters male or female. epidemia78 said: You can find lewds of even the most wholesome characters, that doesn't prove anything. Beatrice is a loli but Maho isn't because of what? The clothes they wear? Haven't watched Re:Zero so I can't say much, but just by her appearance I can tell she was designed to appeal to that audience, just like Kanna. Me finding lewd art so fast was just to illustrate my point. Most characters that do not have that kind of appeal takes a little digging in finding lewd of them. Maho doesn't act the least childlike. She has absolutely nothing "loli" about her. Not even her appearance is made to appear childlike, unlike Beatrice. I mean, just compare her to Taiga or girls from Idol anime and you'll see the difference. That's mostly a running gag because she's small and is the only flat girl of the cast. It's not that uncommon to find 16~18yo+ girls like her, actually. Nevertheless, if you think about it, Steins;Gate is an otaku show. I'd say every girl is just there to appeal to some fantasy lol. Probably could say the same for Re:Zero. Maho is defined by the show itself as being a Loli, if that isn't enough to cast doubt on your head-canon definition of what a Loli is, i think the argument on that front isn't going to go anywhere. The fact that the definition of a word can be debated means it's not self evident. Edit: The last quote reply got deleted so i had to rewrite it in the edit. |
LunilahOct 28, 2018 3:09 PM
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epidemia78 said: So basically what you're saying is that a character is not a loli unless you, Meatbun of MAL says so. sigh. No, let me illustrate for you. What I'm saying is that this: is not the same as this: Can we agree with that? Or do you think I'm being arbitrary and that both those characters are made with the same thing in mind? For Maho, please expand on what you disagree with me, because I believe I was pretty reasonable and I see no reason for you to think I'm being arbitrary about her. Edit: @Lunilah she doesn't need to be sexualized, only be the right kind of moe. See images above for reference. Maho being a loli in the show is, again, a running gag, just like Kurisu being a pervert. I don't remember they seriously calling her a loli without it being made for cracks, nor it being "defined by the show". There's nothing about her that's remotely loli-ish. |
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| Loli characters in general aren't that bad. Now a lolicon is someone who is sexually attracted to them so... I think that they're either lost people who need to seek help or other hobbies or they're disgusting perverts in denial. It varies depending on the person. |
Ericonator said: By definition, everything is retro since by the time you realize something has happened it's already in the past.  |
meatbun_ said: Thank you for the edit.Edit: @Lunilah she doesn't need to be sexualized, only be the right kind of moe. See images above for reference. Maho being a loli in the show is, again, a running gag, just like Kurisu being a pervert. I don't remember they seriously calling her a loli without it being made for cracks, nor it being "defined by the show". There's nothing about her that's remotely loli-ish. My point about the lack of sexualization is that it means nothing. So i assume we're in agreement there. For Maho, my takeaway is that it's a running gag yes, but because it can be a gag is reflective of what a Loli is. As is evident in viewers response to characters in anime as a whole, which again casts doubt on your specific definition as opposed to a more broad one. |
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Zachhh said: I don't quite understand why some people call them pedophiles because it's fictional characters that they like, not actual children. imo it's a very thin line just begging to be crossed. Sexualisation of little children is sickening in any form. |
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meatbun_ said: epidemia78 said: So basically what you're saying is that a character is not a loli unless you, Meatbun of MAL says so. sigh. No, let me illustrate for you. What I'm saying is that this: is not the same as this: Can we agree with that? Or do you think I'm being arbitrary and that both those characters are made with the same thing in mind? For Maho, please expand on what you disagree with me, because I believe I was pretty reasonable and I see no reason for you to think I'm being arbitrary about her. Edit: @Lunilah she doesn't need to be sexualized, only be the right kind of moe. See images above for reference. Maho being a loli in the show is, again, a running gag, just like Kurisu being a pervert. I don't remember they seriously calling her a loli without it being made for cracks, nor it being "defined by the show". There's nothing about her that's remotely loli-ish. So, it's whatever intent you imagine the author has that determines whether or not a character is a loli? Beatrice has a flashy design, therefore she's bait for perverts? Or is it the audience who decides the difference? Probably there's a guy out there somewhere who thinks Yotsuba's stick figure is hot. As for Maho. She's a college student who is frequently mistaken for an elementary school kid. You say its common but please, thats highly unlikely in real life. Sure, she doesn't act like a kid but neither does Beatrice. |
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| I think they're creepy since they find underage girls sexually appealing. Fiction or not, i still find it quite disturbing. |
fancyjasper said: I think they're creepy since they find underage girls sexually appealing. Fiction or not, i still find it quite disturbing. Says the guy with a naked loli in bondage as an avatar... |
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epidemia78 said: fancyjasper said: I think they're creepy since they find underage girls sexually appealing. Fiction or not, i still find it quite disturbing. Says the guy with a naked loli in bondage as an avatar... She's not a loli. And i'm not a guy. ;3 |
Those skinny arms and prominent forehead makes her look like a child. But slap some boobs on her and it's fine, you're totally not creepy or anything. |
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| I prefer my women grown, but everyone is into weird shit and I'm not one to judge. Beware of chris hansen and the FBI though. |
epidemia78 said: Those skinny arms and prominent forehead makes her look like a child. But slap some boobs on her and it's fine, you're totally not creepy or anything. She obviously likes the ship and character attached to it. This topic is about being sexually attracted to loli characters. Not liking them in general. Nothing wrong with having a favorite character that happens to be a loli. STOP being a jerk. ;b |
Ericonator said: By definition, everything is retro since by the time you realize something has happened it's already in the past. |
| I'ts kind of a meta joke in the anime community to be a lolicon but please keep it in your room and keep it 2D. |
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fancyjasper said: I think they're creepy since they find underage girls sexually appealing. Fiction or not, i still find it quite disturbing. Yet you have a profile picture that looks like a loli..... |
allogeneous said: DaCraziGuy said: lewding kids is bad (including both lolis and shotas), I understand. lewding petitle girls being fine is also understandable, but what about petite boys? I know this is a loli thread, but lolis aren't the only variant of kids, so if you are gonna bring boys into this, atleast let them be lewded too (if petite)People lewding kids it's bad, people lewding petite girls it fine tho. If it isn't a kid it's fine, besides a petite guy is a lot more rare than a girl. A lot of short dudes can have broad back... besides having a beard, having to shave delete the "shota" element IMO. |
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M0M0I said: I think they're gross. So are the people who justify it to make it seems not as bad. So I guess people who like killing on GTA are psychopaths....... |
M0M0I said: What does that have to do with anything? Figure it out yourself. It clearly went over your head. |
| Well, lolis are animated and fictional, not to mention some are sexualized so it's natural they'd attract a rather lewd fanbase. As long as they keep it to themselves, it doesn't bother me. |
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| I don't find them particularly appealing. I'm more about the lolis and less about the lolicons. |
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Kuromii said: Zachhh said: I don't quite understand why some people call them pedophiles because it's fictional characters that they like, not actual children. imo it's a very thin line just begging to be crossed. Sexualisation of little children is sickening in any form. Its fiction mate. You acting like 2d drawings are actual children... |
| I am surprised at how many people in here don't like them. I'm guessing most people here are young since a few years ago it was the exact opposite. I bet no one here remembers when the internet was obsessed with Hizashi no Naka no Riaru. |
Lunilah said: For Maho, my takeaway is that it's a running gag yes, but because it can be a gag is reflective of what a Loli is. As is evident in viewers response to characters in anime as a whole, which again casts doubt on your specific definition as opposed to a more broad one. It talks about the definition of what a loli body looks like, certainly, but I think that's too narrow a definition. If we are to forget the roots of the terms and accept the definition as broad as it has been used as of late, even characters like Hinata from 3gatsu or Mikoto from Railgun might be considered lolis, which seems weird to me. I've seen even Chigusa from Qualidea Code being called a loli, and she doesn't look like one, at all. epidemia78 said: So, it's whatever intent you imagine the author has that determines whether or not a character is a loli? Beatrice has a flashy design, therefore she's bait for perverts? ...yes? Is it that much of a stretch? We are talking about anime, after all. I don't think I'm exaggerating. Just look at literally every other girl of the show and compare it to, lessee, Naruto, which though it's one of the most sexualized franchises in doujinshis has nothing in itself that justifies it. epidemia78 said: Or is it the audience who decides the difference? Probably there's a guy out there somewhere who thinks Yotsuba's stick figure is hot. Of course, but there's stuff that is made with that appeal in mind and stuff that's not, even though the latter might attract perverts just the same (see Naruto). I mean, there's traditional furry fanfare and there's the ewoks from Star Wars, see? epidemia78 said: As for Maho. She's a college student who is frequently mistaken for an elementary school kid. You say its common but please, thats highly unlikely in real life. Sure, she doesn't act like a kid but neither does Beatrice. ...uh, no it's not? Maybe not common, but definitely not highly unlikely. I say that because I myself know quite a few, specially when nowadays there's the popular belief that girls are looking more "mature" for their age, so those who don't cater attention to themselves as way younger than they actually are. Can't say about that last statement, didn't watch Re:zero and &c. |
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meatbun_ said: I only know of Mikoto from those examples. While she is the oldest and tallest of the main cast, i can see that being a reason for why it might be weird for you as her cast-mates fit that role much better physically.Lunilah said: For Maho, my takeaway is that it's a running gag yes, but because it can be a gag is reflective of what a Loli is. As is evident in viewers response to characters in anime as a whole, which again casts doubt on your specific definition as opposed to a more broad one. It talks about the definition of what a loli body looks like, certainly, but I think that's too narrow a definition. If we are to forget the roots of the terms and accept the definition as broad as it has been used as of late, even characters like Hinata from 3gatsu or Mikoto from Railgun might be considered lolis, which seems weird to me. I've seen even Chigusa from Qualidea Code being called a loli, and she doesn't look like one, at all. |
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| I love lolis but I wouldnt consider myself a lolicon, however I can understand why someone would be. Some lolis are too tempting. |
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assyrian said: I love lolis but I wouldnt consider myself a lolicon, however I can understand why someone would be. Some lolis are too tempting. True that. I use to think lolis weren't attractive but then I ran into a loli game thread on mal.... and it changed my whole world. |
| Lolicon only works in comedy. In any other theme, the trope decimates the show. |
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xShinigami3125 said: i wouldn't want to associate with them. I would. At least two of my friends are. https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ironwarrer https://myanimelist.net/profile/misterkafuuchino |
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IpreferEcchi said: xShinigami3125 said: i wouldn't want to associate with them. I would. At least two of my friends are. https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ironwarrer https://myanimelist.net/profile/misterkafuuchino Good for you I guess, but why are you telling me this ? |
xShinigami3125 said: Good for you I guess, but why are you telling me this ? Because when someone doesn't do something but I do, I'm going to show off. |
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| I don't know. Maybe, they're pedophiles. Arrest them! |
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IpreferEcchi said: xShinigami3125 said: Good for you I guess, but why are you telling me this ? Because when someone doesn't do something but I do, I'm going to show off. You can't really call that showing off, rather pointless spam. |
| Same as any other fetish I'm not into. None of my business and I don't have a problem with them, as long as they leave me alone and don't start shoving it in other's faces. |
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach"  |
xShinigami3125 said: You can't really call that showing off, rather pointless spam. Using examples to back up claims is standard practice. |
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| Wait doesn't the term lolicon also cover those who are attracted to real life young girls? Either way if it's just within the realm of fiction then it's really whatever, a bit weird but nothing too crazy. |
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IpreferEcchi said: But he wasn't arguing or making any points to counter. Wtf lol. That's like saying to someone who doesn't like like milk that you love milk. Like okay... and your point?xShinigami3125 said: You can't really call that showing off, rather pointless spam. Using examples to back up claims is standard practice. |
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| While I may not necessarily agree, if you don't see why it'd raise some eyebrows then you gotta be pretty cut off from reality. |
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Lunilah said: But he wasn't arguing or making any points to counter. Wtf lol. That's like saying to someone who doesn't like like milk that you love milk. Like okay... and your point? Last I checked, you don't need permission to tell others your views IN A THREAD THAT'S ASKING FOR YOUR VIEWS. Difference in opinion is discussion, also. |
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IpreferEcchi said: I guess i'll have to concede that to you. Lunilah said: But he wasn't arguing or making any points to counter. Wtf lol. That's like saying to someone who doesn't like like milk that you love milk. Like okay... and your point? Last I checked, you don't need permission to tell others your views IN A THREAD THAT'S ASKING FOR YOUR VIEWS. Difference in opinion is discussion, also. |
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ReaperCreeper said: While I may not necessarily agree, if you don't see why it'd raise some eyebrows then you gotta be pretty cut off from reality. I remember that one thread someone made about how he tried to defend lolicon on his personal facebook profile, and he thought absurd how literally no one agreed with him and thought he was a creep lol Anime sometimes makes people a little detached from reality I guess. |
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