| You really should ask the opposite: What's so good about Shonen anime? Because that should be the majority here, considering One Piece is some of the most popular anime/manga ever. Also considering Hero Aca got way too much hype and attention recently, asking the opposite is more reasonable since the people who like shonen anime are the majority here. Anyway, if I have to answer your question, I think it mainly goes to how generic/ troopy 90% of them are, and too much good beats evil type of plot. Some better shonen would make it like 80% good 20% evil grey area so it's not too shallow, but then the way of story-telling are usually too one dimensional, and often relies too much on using flashback of villains to force out the so-called grey area. |
Ventus_SMay 21, 2018 2:01 PM
| Nothing wrong with liking shounen, I love them myself. Liking ONLY shounen tho, that's a bit narrow-minded imo. You should try to broaden your horizons since anime is a lot more than just shounen. So yeah from how you tell the story it seems he's more criticizing the ONLY part than than the shounen part. |
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| Nothing is wrong with Shounen. It is targeted towards a younger demographic, but that doesn't keep it from having depth (Ashita no Joe is shounen and has some of the best character development in anime). This friend sounds like some 15 year old edgelord who just saw his first 3x3 thread. |
FullmetalAliasMay 21, 2018 2:20 PM
| ignore him since majority of anime fans like shounen anime lol maybe its bad in the sense that shounen anime is so common especially battle shounen like Dragonball, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, My Hero Academia, Fairy Tail, Black Clover, etc that are very long running series too and have too much fillers |
| Too many yaoi ships to be honest here. |
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| I really enjoy shounen anime it is my favorite anime demographic it's what got me into anime a long time ago so it is what I watch mostly I still like other kinds of anime as well so there is nothing wrong with liking shounen anime. |
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| Nothing really... a lot of people started with shounen anime. I guess some people dont like that it always follows the same basic formula. |
| Shows for children typically feature overhanded, blunt, to-the-point, borderline inhuman dialogue in which characters verbally explain step-by-step what's going on, what their feelings are, and what the plot is to each other, and to themselves. Just really bad writing that's I guess intended either for people who have little experience living life as a human being and find emotions hard to pick up on without having it verbatim spoon-fed to them, or, you know, children. |
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| It's cool to hate on popular stuff. Shounen is always heading the popular stuff. |
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| You rated FMAB with an one,my poor heart Nothing wrong with liking shounen,yet you shouldn't limit yourself to them without to try different kind of anime. But seeing that you just started in march implies that you didn't really had the chance to try out a lot of stuff. So don't worry, you still have plenty of time to find your own taste in anime. |
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| I don't find anything bad about Shounen. Granted, there are both good Shounen Anime, and bad Shounen Anime, just like with everything else. On the other hand, I tend to dislike the vast majority of all Seinen/Josei Anime, and I literally go out of my way to avoid those. |
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| I depends on what you/he mean by "shounen". If it's the real definition as a demographic (shows for 12-17 teenaged boys) then nothing is bad about them. There's a large variety of different genres that even this 35 year old adult enjoys. If you mean what most people think when they hear "shounen", aka battle shounen shows like Bleach, Dragonball, Fairy Tail, Naruto, and One Piece then he has a point. You can settle for them if you want, it's your perogative, but you definitely don't have to look that hard to find shows with fewer flaws that are less repetitive. |
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach"  |
| You mean battle shounens right?! Because Mitsuboshi Colors is also considered as shounen... Wait a second do you really like shounen?! |
mhkrMay 21, 2018 2:59 PM
| As with any genre of anime, shounen also has bad and good examples. It all depends on which shounen you like. But generally, the worse examples of shounen are often either too edgy or too innocent. The battles are unrealistic where the mc will fall like 20 times and then remember the power or friendship or some bullshit like that and then magically get back up and win the fight. There are also a bunch of stereotypical characters such as revenge driven edgy kids, brain dead girls who will do anything their love interest wants them to do etc. And they never learn, the characters do the same shit all over again and that gets very annoying because like, how fucking stupid can you be not to learn after like 20 times of making the same mistake?! And many many more... As I said, I don't hate shounen, heck my top 2 favorite anime are shounen, but I do hate the bad shounen cause I can literally feel my brain cells running away while watching it. |
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| whats bad about shounen is that it doesn't fall under any exact category really but is simply a tag of what demographic it is marketed towards. In this case young boys. So you could say its bad it doesn't have any defined genre inclusions and is just a really broad term so to be real @Meltiply but when he critics you for only liking shounen anime that is meaningless because that can mean anything since there are romance shows, drama shows, action shows, fantasy shows, science fiction shows or horror shows for example that are aimed towards young boys or teens all of which can have character development so really your friend is full of shit |
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| Well shonen is a term directly translated to "boy", hence a demographic targeting a younger audience. The narrative is always more light and less serious. They're usually highlighted around battling etc. It's just about what you enjoy at the end of the day. Your buddy is probably not in the target audience to begin with. I enjoy myself some One Piece too, which is the most sold manga of all time. |
Meltiply said: I just got into watching anime around March. I have a friend named Paisen that I frequently watch anime with. He likes shows that have character development yadayadayada. Whenever we get into an argument about anime he usually comes at me telling me I only like shounen. What is so bad about shounen anime? Whenever I tell him I don't like an anime he does, most of the time he will tell me that I don't like "adult" anime. There's no anime more adult(mature) than One Piece, and One Piece is a shounen anime. So your friend is wrong. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| *Insert C.S. Lewis quote about fairy tales* Meh, your friend is dumb and should just be disregarded. Let him go be mature and adult off to the side somewhere and don't mind him any. |
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| Nothing wrong with it, you just can't sit at the adult table for Thanksgiving. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| Being a fan of Dragon Ball, I tend to see how like shows of it try to copy the concept and I kind of get the gist of it. Imo it's Dragon Ball but with something different slapped on top of it. Nothing wrong with shounen. [Really liked other shounen like Naruto, Fairy Tail, and Bleach] If you like shounen then by all means continue liking what you like. |
| I mean, we are talking about specifically battle shounen right? Like, there are other shounen out there. Nothing is wrong with it, tell your friend to eat his words and watch some Jojo. |
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| In 6 episodes you can tell a full story. Most shounen in same interval do not have enough time to finish a single battle. They squeeze their cow of money to much... |
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| I was a die-hard fan of shounen battle anime until one day, I got sick and tired of them and despised them ever since. Couple reasons why: - "Power of friendship" stuff always made me cringe. When I liked shounen, I was like "meh, stuff like this is supposed to happen." Now it just makes me nauseous lol - The back-and-forth power-ups are super repetitive and boring - The protags and villains tend to be generic as hell - The repetitive adventure -> find villain -> get shit on by villain -> train -> power-up -> get shit on by villain -> everything looks like shit -> win by the power of friend ship plotline (really this is just a summary of my previous points) That being said, some shounens are pretty good despite following the same cliches as above (EX: BHNA). In fact, some of them are phenomenal. Its all in the execution, really. However, I still can't find myself to like them and will stay off any new ones for a long ass time. |
Imperio_nMay 21, 2018 3:51 PM
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| There's nothig wrong with shounen, its just that you and your friend have different tastes. I think he's acting quite snobbish about your taste. Its 2018, yet people still don't realize that shounen is a demographic and not all shounen anime is about fighting. |
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| The only bad thing about shonen, is that bad ones like Bleach and Fairy Tail give them a bad reputation since they are among the most popular. |
SuperRed said: The only bad thing about shonen, is that bad ones like Bleach and Fairy Tail give them a bad reputation since they are among the most popular. >Bleach manga vietnam flashbacks Dear god... |
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| Well, you might want to turn around the question and ask "What's so good about shounen?" I mean, damn, I consider myself to not like most shounen, but taking a glance at your ratings it is far harsher than mine. In any case, people who've watched anime tend to use their extensive list as some sort of justification. It's nothing more than a personal attack. Instead of engaging them in that argument, make it more general. You can always use your preferences from other entertainment mediums to prove a point. Though if you find that the kind of shows you watch are all similar to shounen anime in some way, then maybe your friend has a point. So then just watch the show your friend insists have great development and try to break its flaws down. If it's actually good, maybe you actually trying to analyse it can give you new-found appreciation for it. |
| I'm not a lolicon, you're just projecting your tendency to lewd 2D characters. If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
| The shounen genre tends to recycle the same cliches more than any other genre. |
  Crying doesn't mean you're weak. Enduring doesn't mean you're strong. |
maluhia said: The shounen genre tends to recycle the same cliches more than any other genre. No, we are not talking about isekai here. |
| What so bad about shounen? >Cliche >Nakama powaaa >Plot armor Best example: Fairy Tail But who cares... I just have to admit I have a bad taste.. XD But if you want to argue with other people IRL, I think you do have to watch more other genres.. at least until the ratio is 50% shounen : 50% mix of other generics/genres. PS. I see that you rated Naruto with 2... So I think you should've know what's bad about shounen....?? |
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| For a new fan you're quite harsh on your score. Bakemonogatari and Fullmetal Alchemist a 1? Whatever floats your boat, I guess. There's nothing wrong with shounen shows, especially if you're a noob when it comes to anime- when you're first introduced it can be really hard to get into those more "mature" series. However, I can understand what your friend is saying- shounen can get extremely troopy and cliche,following the same formulas over and over. I love some shounens myself but I believe you should expand your horizons a bit- watch something else that's not shounen. |
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SuperRed said: No we are not talking about [Insert random genre/target demographic/setting you happen to dislike] heremaluhia said: No, we are not talking about isekai here.The shounen genre tends to recycle the same cliches more than any other genre. @maluhia that statement is so fucking hollow just saying considering shounen is such a broad term that it doesn't inherently recycle cliches that belong to the demographic since there is no 100% guideline its not even a genre which basically proves the point. Its just a show aimed at young men. Young men have several different interests and as I said earlier in this thread Deknijff said: all of which follows only certain cliches of the genres that are included in the show. That has nothing to do with it being strictly a shounen targeted show. But fault by the genres that happen to be included whats bad about shounen is that it doesn't fall under any exact category really but is simply a tag of what demographic it is marketed towards. In this case young boys. So you could say its bad it doesn't have any defined genre inclusions and is just a really broad term so to be real @Meltiply but when he critics you for only liking shounen anime that is meaningless because that can mean anything since there are romance shows, drama shows, action shows, fantasy shows, science fiction shows or horror shows for example that are aimed towards young boys or teens all of which can have character development so really your friend is full of shit |
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| There's nothing wrong in liking shounen only anime. Your friend is immature and saying baseless shit, don't listen to him... |
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| @Deknijff https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-06-30/short-story-contest-bans-traveling-to-an-alternate-world-fantasy/.103755 https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-07-08/light-novel-contest-overwhelmed-with-alternate-world-entries/.103996 There's a reason this genre gets a ton of flak by the anime community for being uninspired. |
Deknijff said: SuperRed said: No we are not talking about [Insert random genre/target demographic/setting you happen to dislike] hereNo, we are not talking about isekai here. @maluhia that statement is so fucking hollow just saying considering shounen is such a broad term that it doesn't inherently recycle cliches that belong to the demographic since there is no 100% guideline its not even a genre which basically proves the point. Its just a show aimed at young men. Young men have several different interests and as I said earlier in this thread Deknijff said: all of which follows only certain cliches of the genres that are included in the show. That has nothing to do with it being strictly a shounen targeted show. But fault by the genres that happen to be included whats bad about shounen is that it doesn't fall under any exact category really but is simply a tag of what demographic it is marketed towards. In this case young boys. So you could say its bad it doesn't have any defined genre inclusions and is just a really broad term so to be real @Meltiply but when he critics you for only liking shounen anime that is meaningless because that can mean anything since there are romance shows, drama shows, action shows, fantasy shows, science fiction shows or horror shows for example that are aimed towards young boys or teens all of which can have character development so really your friend is full of shit I really don't care about your nuances. Deal w/ it. |
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| "What is so bad about shounen anime?" the answer to that specific question is nothing at all. |
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Ventus_S said: You really should ask the opposite: What's so good about Shonen anime? Because that should be the majority here, considering One Piece is some of the most popular anime/manga ever. Also considering Hero Aca got way too much hype and attention recently, asking the opposite is more reasonable since the people who like shonen anime are the majority here. Anyway, if I have to answer your question, I think it mainly goes to how generic/ troopy 90% of them are, and too much good beats evil type of plot. Some better shonen would make it like 80% good 20% evil grey area so it's not too shallow, but then the way of story-telling are usually too one dimensional, and often relies too much on using flashback of villains to force out the so-called grey area. obviously generic, like negima and koe no katachi... Red_Keys said: Shows for children typically feature overhanded, blunt, to-the-point, borderline inhuman dialogue in which characters verbally explain step-by-step what's going on, what their feelings are, and what the plot is to each other, and to themselves. Just really bad writing that's I guess intended either for people who have little experience living life as a human being and find emotions hard to pick up on without having it verbatim spoon-fed to them, or, you know, children. yeah, very exagrated and unrealistic, like death note and rosario to vampire.... Kerylon said: I was a die-hard fan of shounen battle anime until one day, I got sick and tired of them and despised them ever since. Couple reasons why: - "Power of friendship" stuff always made me cringe. When I liked shounen, I was like "meh, stuff like this is supposed to happen." Now it just makes me nauseous lol - The back-and-forth power-ups are super repetitive and boring - The protags and villains tend to be generic as hell - The repetitive adventure -> find villain -> get shit on by villain -> train -> power-up -> get shit on by villain -> everything looks like shit -> win by the power of friend ship plotline (really this is just a summary of my previous points) That being said, some shounens are pretty good despite following the same cliches as above (EX: BHNA). In fact, some of them are phenomenal. Its all in the execution, really. However, I still can't find myself to like them and will stay off any new ones for a long ass time. like FMA, rorouni kenshin, and gintama? yeah, lot of nakama power there... Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: It's been my experience that shounen anime tend to be filled to the brim with nakama power. And it makes sense for them to be, since they're aimed at a young audience. But it gets old pretty fast. for example trigun, gintama, nichijou, gabriel dropout,claymore, yotsubato, and Shingeki no Kyojin? sure, getting old fast... maluhia said: The shounen genre tends to recycle the same cliches more than any other genre. like barakamon, gin no saji, and yakusoku no neverland? yeah, pretty cliche... |
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Kuma said: Ventus_S said: You really should ask the opposite: What's so good about Shonen anime? Because that should be the majority here, considering One Piece is some of the most popular anime/manga ever. Also considering Hero Aca got way too much hype and attention recently, asking the opposite is more reasonable since the people who like shonen anime are the majority here. Anyway, if I have to answer your question, I think it mainly goes to how generic/ troopy 90% of them are, and too much good beats evil type of plot. Some better shonen would make it like 80% good 20% evil grey area so it's not too shallow, but then the way of story-telling are usually too one dimensional, and often relies too much on using flashback of villains to force out the so-called grey area. obviously generic, like negima and koe no katachi... Red_Keys said: Shows for children typically feature overhanded, blunt, to-the-point, borderline inhuman dialogue in which characters verbally explain step-by-step what's going on, what their feelings are, and what the plot is to each other, and to themselves. Just really bad writing that's I guess intended either for people who have little experience living life as a human being and find emotions hard to pick up on without having it verbatim spoon-fed to them, or, you know, children. yeah, very exagrated and unrealistic, like death note and rosario to vampire.... Kerylon said: I was a die-hard fan of shounen battle anime until one day, I got sick and tired of them and despised them ever since. Couple reasons why: - "Power of friendship" stuff always made me cringe. When I liked shounen, I was like "meh, stuff like this is supposed to happen." Now it just makes me nauseous lol - The back-and-forth power-ups are super repetitive and boring - The protags and villains tend to be generic as hell - The repetitive adventure -> find villain -> get shit on by villain -> train -> power-up -> get shit on by villain -> everything looks like shit -> win by the power of friend ship plotline (really this is just a summary of my previous points) That being said, some shounens are pretty good despite following the same cliches as above (EX: BHNA). In fact, some of them are phenomenal. Its all in the execution, really. However, I still can't find myself to like them and will stay off any new ones for a long ass time. like FMA, rorouni kenshin, and gintama? yeah, lot of nakama power there... Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: It's been my experience that shounen anime tend to be filled to the brim with nakama power. And it makes sense for them to be, since they're aimed at a young audience. But it gets old pretty fast. for example trigun, gintama, nichijou, gabriel dropout,claymore, yotsubato, and Shingeki no Kyojin? sure, getting old fast... maluhia said: The shounen genre tends to recycle the same cliches more than any other genre. like barakamon, gin no saji, and yakusoku no neverland? yeah, pretty cliche... Rurouni Kenshin and FMA: I read these in my childhood before I stopped liking shonen and they have a special place due to nostalgia Gintama: The lack of nakama power is the reason why this is on there in the first place Also did someone make you salty cuz u just out here going to people's profiles and attacking their tastes LOL |
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Kerylon said: Kuma said: obviously generic, like negima and koe no katachi... yeah, very exagrated and unrealistic, like death note and rosario to vampire.... like FMA, rorouni kenshin, and gintama? yeah, lot of nakama power there... for example trigun, gintama, nichijou, gabriel dropout,claymore, yotsubato, and Shingeki no Kyojin? sure, getting old fast... like barakamon, gin no saji, and yakusoku no neverland? yeah, pretty cliche... Rurouni Kenshin and FMA: I read these in my childhood before I stopped liking shonen and they have a special place due to nostalgia so, you only liking it because nostalgia, not because it content? Kerylon said: Gintama: The lack of nakama power is the reason why this is on there in the first place are we see same series? because the whole deal about yorozuya is nakama (well, closer to family actually) power... the current arc even about saving teacher with nakama power... Kerylon said: Also did someone make you salty cuz u just out here going to people's profiles and attacking their tastes LOL nah, i simply find it funny when people looking down something that it can apply on their favorites as well... |
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Kuma said: Kerylon said: Rurouni Kenshin and FMA: I read these in my childhood before I stopped liking shonen and they have a special place due to nostalgia so, you only liking it because nostalgia, not because it content? Kerylon said: Gintama: The lack of nakama power is the reason why this is on there in the first place are we see same series? because the whole deal about yorozuya is nakama (well, closer to family actually) power... the current arc even about saving teacher with nakama power... Kerylon said: Also did someone make you salty cuz u just out here going to people's profiles and attacking their tastes LOL nah, i simply find it funny when people looking down something that they put on favorites... I'm criticizing the genre and so is mostly everyone else here, I don't see anything wrong with that. Also the content was good, just to clarify |
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| LMAO at using Rosario to Vampire as a counter to what I said. Yeah, filter through my list because what I said made you butthurt and you need a "gotcha" counterexample. Maybe next time don't fail so hard. Anyway, since we're talking about "shounen" as a generalization, I think it's fair to make broad points that don't necessarily universally apply to every single individual work that fits under the label. Exceptions exist. I thought it didn't need to be said because it's obvious. (Even though I actually did say it, because the word "typically", the fourth word in my post, was put there for a reason). |
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Kerylon said: Kuma said: so, you only liking it because nostalgia, not because it content? are we see same series? because the whole deal about yorozuya is nakama (well, closer to family actually) power... the current arc even about saving teacher with nakama power... nah, i simply find it funny when people looking down something that they put on favorites... I'm criticizing the genre and so is mostly everyone else here, I don't see anything wrong with that. Also the content was good, just to clarify >shounen is demographic >sure you can critics, but again, be self aware and and relevant, not just some buzzword thrown around... i mean, it would be funny if you talking shit about food you don't made but you still empty a whole big serve and secretely taking some of it back to home... |
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Kuma said: Kerylon said: I'm criticizing the genre and so is mostly everyone else here, I don't see anything wrong with that. Also the content was good, just to clarify >shounen is demographic >sure you can critics, but again, be self aware and and relevant, not just some buzzword thrown around... i mean, it would be funny if you talking shit about food you don't made but you still empty a whole big serve and secretely taking some of it back to home... It was mostly battle shounens that I was criticizing. I guess that kinda counts as a genre? Also about your food analogy - So by your logic it is hypocritical for me to criticize characteristics of animes that I do not like bc I have a few shounen anime on my favorites that DONT have those characteristics? We can debate if they have those characteristics at a later time, but please do not take my words and twist them around like that.... You're fanning the fire for no reason lul... |
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