| Probably when Naruto came out. Everybody loves to hate on that Anime. Back in the 80s, Pierrot was among the best, and created some of the most famous magical girl Anime, like Creamy Mami. They were also responsible for "Kimagure Orange Road." |
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| Somewhere along the road of making Naruto and Bleach at the same damn time. Obviously they did some good stuff in between like Level E, Shirokuma Cafe, Eikoku Koi Monogatari Emma, Akatsuki no Yona, Osomatsu-san, and Baby Steps (granted a lot of these aren't great on a art or animation level). But thinking of their former glory of Yu Yu Hakusho, Great Teacher Onizuka, and a lot of other niche classics. They've just become very capitalistic and focusing on all that yen. Why else would they pick up fucking Black Clover of all things. |
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| They have a consistent good record with the sports and fantasy shows they've made, so I question whether they really have this supposed "bad reputation". Anyone complaining about them is probably doing so because of Naruto or Bleach, but that's hardly the whole of the studio's identity. |
| Actually most people like what Pierrot has made, most people I've talked to in real life do. It's only in very specific areas of the Internet dedicated to regular anime watchers. Even if your talking about the people that do think badly of Pierrot, contrary to what most people say here, I actually don't think there was much hate Pierrot because of Naruto or Bleach back in the day, at least not while Naruto and the original run of Bleach were airing together. Most people who watch anime now probably weren't into it back then anyways. Wasn't it Tokyo Ghoul √A along with a really underwhelming and draggy Naruto (plus YouTubers shitting on Tokyo Ghoul √A) that did it? |
| If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
| Naruto wasn't Pierrots first butchered adaptation, I'm pretty sure ghost stories was a Pierrot adaptation of a novel which they completely ruined which was salvaged by the dub. |
TripleSRank said: Tokyo Ghoul, Divine Gate, Sousei no Onmyouji, Kingdom adaptation, plenty of kids show, that male idol animation, that cringy ass romance drama last year inside a 7/11 store, and plenty more, like the ongoing Black Clover.They have a consistent good record with the sports and fantasy shows they've made, so I question whether they really have this supposed "bad reputation". Anyone complaining about them is probably doing so because of Naruto or Bleach, but that's hardly the whole of the studio's identity. Sometime around the mid 2000s as people said. It isn't like they make some not so good stuff here and there, it's their track record isn't what it used to be. |
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| I never heard anyone saying Studio Pierrot has a bad reputation. I guess some people could hate the obsession they had for Naruto back in the day, when they made like five thousand different iterations, spin-offs and movies about the franchise, but if we ignore that it's a really good studio with a notable record of good shows. Older shows, mind you. |
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| Probably during the run of Naruto and Bleach |
Stripes said: Somewhere along the road of making Naruto and Bleach at the same damn time. Obviously they did some good stuff in between like Level E, Shirokuma Cafe, Eikoku Koi Monogatari Emma, Akatsuki no Yona, Osomatsu-san, and Baby Steps (granted a lot of these aren't great on a art or animation level). But thinking of their former glory of Yu Yu Hakusho, Great Teacher Onizuka, and a lot of other niche classics. They've just become very capitalistic and focusing on all that yen. Why else would they pick up fucking Black Clover of all things. They've just become very capitalistic? And focusing on all that yen? What do you think they were doing when they chose to adapt Yu Yu Hakusho and Great Teacher Onizuka? They were obviously having capitalistic thoughts and focusing on all that Yen. In fact I would say with their recent decisions of anime, like Black Clover, that they've just left being capitalistic and focusing on all that yen. Because if they were just thinking of their yen, they wouldn't choose Black Clover but would fight nails and teeth for something like My Hero Academia, not Black Clover. |
TripleSRank said: They have a consistent good record with the sports and fantasy shows they've made, so I question whether they really have this supposed "bad reputation". Anyone complaining about them is probably doing so because of Naruto or Bleach, but that's hardly the whole of the studio's identity. Pretty much this. People love to hate on big battle shounen and at some point that hate just gets transposed to the studio. That's how it is with Toei and OP(and DBS) and Pierrot and Bleach/Naruto. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| i never actually seen/experienced pierrots (and toei's) bad reputation ever. i doubt they even have one aside from some non japanese people watching their cartoons. everyone is saying naruto and bleach so maybe they don't like that despite the filler, those anime are very successful with just plebs? toei is still my fav, and pierrot is one of my top studios too |
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bigivelfhq said: Stripes said: Somewhere along the road of making Naruto and Bleach at the same damn time. Obviously they did some good stuff in between like Level E, Shirokuma Cafe, Eikoku Koi Monogatari Emma, Akatsuki no Yona, Osomatsu-san, and Baby Steps (granted a lot of these aren't great on a art or animation level). But thinking of their former glory of Yu Yu Hakusho, Great Teacher Onizuka, and a lot of other niche classics. They've just become very capitalistic and focusing on all that yen. Why else would they pick up fucking Black Clover of all things. They've just become very capitalistic? And focusing on all that yen? What do you think they were doing when they chose to adapt Yu Yu Hakusho and Great Teacher Onizuka? They were obviously having capitalistic thoughts and focusing on all that Yen. In fact I would say with their recent decisions of anime, like Black Clover, that they've just left being capitalistic and focusing on all that yen. Because if they were just thinking of their yen, they wouldn't choose Black Clover but would fight nails and teeth for something like My Hero Academia, not Black Clover. Did you not read any of my post??? I said they lost their way during the time of making Naruto and Bleach. That was way the fuck after GTO and YYH. WHICH I STATE IN MY POST EXPLICITLY. And um no. Black Clover follows a very similar formula to Naruto on a very surface level. In fact Boku no Hero was really seen as kind of risky when it first came out because it had hardcore western culture baked into it and on a surface level diverged from a lot of shonen attributes. Also at the time this was Horikoshi third manga and his other two got axed early out so yeah, it was almost a gamble. |
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| Studio Pierrot has always had a mixture of good and bad anime. Abashiri Ikka from 1991 is much lower-rated than even Black Clover. It was only when Naruto and Bleach came out that the studio opened themselves up to widespread attacks from shonen fanboys. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Studio Pierrot has good and bad anime just like any other studio ANd most of the time, the studio is not what make an anime bad. but the source material. |
| when they decided to make nearly 50% worth of naruto filler |
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Dlwuik said: when they decided to make nearly 50% worth of naruto filler Agreed. And milking Naruto even after the manga was already ended long ago. |
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Tsuchisa said: dehuman said: when they become rich like Toei Animation lol the poor animation quality must be from outsourcing to other countries like in case of Toei here in the Philippines I do not understand... what do you mean? Just elaborate a little bit more pls. both Toei Animation and Studio Pierrot are big profitable anime studios especially Toei but they are both hated for their modern animation that have poor animation quality a lot of people thinks its because Toei Animation for example is outsourcing a lot of the animation even key animations to poor countries like here in the Philippines to cut and save more money for example the hated episode 5 of Dragon Ball Super was animated by Toei Philippines  source - https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=5983 |
dehuman said: both Toei Animation and Studio Pierrot are big profitable anime studios especially Toei but they are both hated for their modern animation that have poor animation quality a lot of people thinks its because Toei Animation for example is outsourcing a lot of the animation even key animations to poor countries like here in the Philippines to cut and save more money for example the hated episode 5 of Dragon Ball Super was animated by Toei Philippines source - https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=5983 pfft a Show called Dynamic Chord from Pierrot was a outsourced Disaster where over 80% of the work got outsourced. like they didn't even gave a dam about it. |
Tsuchisa said: dehuman said: both Toei Animation and Studio Pierrot are big profitable anime studios especially Toei but they are both hated for their modern animation that have poor animation quality a lot of people thinks its because Toei Animation for example is outsourcing a lot of the animation even key animations to poor countries like here in the Philippines to cut and save more money for example the hated episode 5 of Dragon Ball Super was animated by Toei Philippines source - https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=5983 Don't they only do that only for long-running episodes tho? Some animation studios also hire animators from Korea for that reason. yep but the popular anime by Toei and Pierrot are long running anime Bourmegar said: pfft a Show called Dynamic Chord from Pierrot was a outsourced Disaster where over 80% of the work got outsourced. like they didn't even gave a dam about it. i never seen that show but i heard and seen some clips about it lol |
Tsuchisa said: Bourmegar said: pfft a Show called Dynamic Chord from Pierrot was a outsourced Disaster where over 80% of the work got outsourced. like they didn't even gave a dam about it. Because it's a music anime xD. I wouldn't give a damn too tbh. Not gonna waste money for it. ^.^ but that only made them waste money coz that shit won't get sold at all xd dehuman said: Tsuchisa said: Don't they only do that only for long-running episodes tho? Some animation studios also hire animators from Korea for that reason. yep but the popular anime by Toei and Pierrot are long running anime Bourmegar said: pfft a Show called Dynamic Chord from Pierrot was a outsourced Disaster where over 80% of the work got outsourced. like they didn't even gave a dam about it. i never seen that show but i heard and seen some clips about it lol Yh and these clips alone are enough to keep the peeps away. the animation (or if could call that) are just like Gif images being plastered in top of each other without any care. |
Tsuchisa said: And you think they have enough money to sustain good animators for 100+ eps of anime? *face slap The studio does not even earn that much lol~!! They wouldv'e if these filthy Committees just dissapeared so that the studios could profit from their shows.......... |
Tsuchisa said: And you think they have enough money to sustain good animators for 100+ eps of anime? *face slap The studio does not even earn that much lol~!! long running anime shows gets their profit and budget from TV ratings or TV commercials/advertisements so they do have a lot of funding for it and have you seen how much Dragon Ball Super gives them money? here is an example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1714501 the main problem for poor animation quality is that its poor production schedule, animators are not robots that can keep a consistent work schedule for example so sometimes they cannot meet deadlines and what more if its from outsourcing from poor countries that have not enough japanese animation expertise so expect the production schedule to tighten up leading to more poor quality animation |
| I don't know but probably since the early days of Naruto or Bleach because of the fillers. |
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Stripes said: bigivelfhq said: They've just become very capitalistic? And focusing on all that yen? What do you think they were doing when they chose to adapt Yu Yu Hakusho and Great Teacher Onizuka? They were obviously having capitalistic thoughts and focusing on all that Yen. In fact I would say with their recent decisions of anime, like Black Clover, that they've just left being capitalistic and focusing on all that yen. Because if they were just thinking of their yen, they wouldn't choose Black Clover but would fight nails and teeth for something like My Hero Academia, not Black Clover. Did you not read any of my post??? I said they lost their way during the time of making Naruto and Bleach. That was way the fuck after GTO and YYH. WHICH I STATE IN MY POST EXPLICITLY. And um no. Black Clover follows a very similar formula to Naruto on a very surface level. In fact Boku no Hero was really seen as kind of risky when it first came out because it had hardcore western culture baked into it and on a surface level diverged from a lot of shonen attributes. Also at the time this was Horikoshi third manga and his other two got axed early out so yeah, it was almost a gamble. Seems like you don't know about the series popularity before being chosen to be adapted into anime. My Hero Academia was a hit, selling around 300k copies in its 3rd volume. It was the new big Shonen Battle manga of the magazine to be adapted. Black Clover was just a decent series, being around 100k around the time it got an anime adaptation. Unless a miracle happened, it would never be as big as Naruto nor even as My Hero Academia. If you talking about Horikoshi having made 2 previous manga, is also important to you to notice that his 2 past series at least endured a little, Black Clover is its author second series in the magazine and the first one was a major flop, do you know Hungry Joker? Yep. You said that they lost their way after Naruto and Bleach and after that they only cared about yen, and that in the time of Yu Yu Hakusho and GTO that wasn't the case. Well, Yu Yu Hakusho was in the 1Million print copies before the adaptation, and Great Teacher Onidzuka too. In fact Great Teacher Onidzuka was the most popular and best selling manga during its time(during the dark age of Weekly Shonen Jump). Yu Yu Hakusho was the third most popular series in Weekly Shonen Jump during the Peak of the magazine, with only Slam Dunk and Dragon Ball above it(series that were picked by Toei Animation). Saying that they are just looking at yen, by choosing a series so below what they previously were choosing makes no sense at all. |
bigivelfhq said: Stripes said: Did you not read any of my post??? I said they lost their way during the time of making Naruto and Bleach. That was way the fuck after GTO and YYH. WHICH I STATE IN MY POST EXPLICITLY. And um no. Black Clover follows a very similar formula to Naruto on a very surface level. In fact Boku no Hero was really seen as kind of risky when it first came out because it had hardcore western culture baked into it and on a surface level diverged from a lot of shonen attributes. Also at the time this was Horikoshi third manga and his other two got axed early out so yeah, it was almost a gamble. Seems like you don't know about the series popularity before being chosen to be adapted into anime. My Hero Academia was a hit, selling around 300k copies in its 3rd volume. It was the new big Shonen Battle manga of the magazine to be adapted. Black Clover was just a decent series, being around 100k around the time it got an anime adaptation. Unless a miracle happened, it would never be as big as Naruto nor even as My Hero Academia. If you talking about Horikoshi having made 2 previous manga, is also important to you to notice that his 2 past series at least endured a little, Black Clover is its author second series in the magazine and the first one was a major flop, do you know Hungry Joker? Yep. You said that they lost their way after Naruto and Bleach and after that they only cared about yen, and that in the time of Yu Yu Hakusho and GTO that wasn't the case. Well, Yu Yu Hakusho was in the 1Million print copies before the adaptation, and Great Teacher Onidzuka too. In fact Great Teacher Onidzuka was the most popular and best selling manga during its time(during the dark age of Weekly Shonen Jump). Yu Yu Hakusho was the third most popular series in Weekly Shonen Jump during the Peak of the magazine, with only Slam Dunk and Dragon Ball above it(series that were picked by Toei Animation). Saying that they are just looking at yen, by choosing a series so below what they previously were choosing makes no sense at all. Naruto and Bleach were there jump off points because they decided to stretch and have those series go on for a vast period of time, true that was because of the manga of course, and they wanted a series coming out weekly. If Bleach hadn't met the unfortunate fate that it did, I'm sure we'd have a sequel series similar to Boruto for Bleach too. It's very obvious SJW and Pierrot worked in conjunction with one another to have those brands go on as far and as long as possible without much conceit with to the source. Look at the ridiculous amount of spin-offs, specials, movies to tie up the loose end canon to the damn series. Something like YYH and GTO stuck to their guns and stayed not exactly faithful which wasn't a bad thing but kept a straight path for those series and gave them proper conclusions. They were a different company during those series so not a shocker. There are circumstances for all 4 of these properties but quality in the studio has been vast wave of high to low during most their productions. And the entire facet about BNHA and BC. I'm just gonna bring up that, yes BNHA did grow rapidly in success since almost the get go but the marketing from SJW didn't reflect that in the beginning. And just because manga sales doesn't equal big pay out, there are a number of series that've done gang busters in manga sales but don't equate to anime growth. The reason they picked up Black Clover and in return marketed it so hard, which they did, was because they saw potential for growth and to my dismay that shitty adaptation has increased at least it's manga sales considerably though who knows how well it's doing in blu-ray sales and since it doesn't really have a fandom to speak of the merchandise sales leave me little wonder. Also whose to say Pierrot wasn't interested in BNHA. Maybe BONES just won out in the end. Even so I'm glad they did. And when I stated the whole ordeal with Horikoshi previous work I meant it on a very small bases. As to say, he had no weight behind him with his other work. The manga industry works on a "have you had a successful series yet" reputation which he didn't have, I read Hungry Joke actually before BNHA and did read Oumagadoki Zoo; I wasn't really talking about the quality of those at all. |
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Stripes said: Naruto and Bleach were there jump off points because they decided to stretch and have those series go on for a vast period of time, true that was because of the manga of course, and they wanted a series coming out weekly. If Bleach hadn't met the unfortunate fate that it did, I'm sure we'd have a sequel series similar to Boruto for Bleach too. It's very obvious SJW and Pierrot worked in conjunction with one another to have those brands go on as far and as long as possible without much conceit with to the source. Look at the ridiculous amount of spin-offs, specials, movies to tie up the loose end canon to the damn series. Something like YYH and GTO stuck to their guns and stayed not exactly faithful which wasn't a bad thing but kept a straight path for those series and gave them proper conclusions. They were a different company during those series so not a shocker. There are circumstances for all 4 of these properties but quality in the studio has been vast wave of high to low during most their productions. And the entire facet about BNHA and BC. I'm just gonna bring up that, yes BNHA did grow rapidly in success since almost the get go but the marketing from SJW didn't reflect that in the beginning. And just because manga sales doesn't equal big pay out, there are a number of series that've done gang busters in manga sales but don't equate to anime growth. The reason they picked up Black Clover and in return marketed it so hard, which they did, was because they saw potential for growth and to my dismay that shitty adaptation has increased at least it's manga sales considerably though who knows how well it's doing in blu-ray sales and since it doesn't really have a fandom to speak of the merchandise sales leave me little wonder. Also whose to say Pierrot wasn't interested in BNHA. Maybe BONES just won out in the end. Even so I'm glad they did. And when I stated the whole ordeal with Horikoshi previous work I meant it on a very small bases. As to say, he had no weight behind him with his other work. The manga industry works on a "have you had a successful series yet" reputation which he didn't have, I read Hungry Joke actually before BNHA and did read Oumagadoki Zoo; I wasn't really talking about the quality of those at all. You're evading the point, that it was in the past, with Yu Yu Hakusho, GTO, Naruto and Bleach that Pierrot was just for the money and that right now they aren't for the money(If we take your point that the studio ever was only for the money). Naruto and Bleach were Licensed by Shueisha, meaning that they gave the adaptation rights to Pierrot to do whatever they wanted with it in exchange for royalties. Shueisha didn't "really" worked together with Pierrot to make the series take as much time as possible. Pierrot wasn't really that different from Yu Yu Hakusho and Naruto time. Yu Yu Hakusho was done like Naruto and Bleach as long running series and meant to complete the story. Though the author of Yu Yu Hakusho, Togashi, ended it prematurely and in an incomplete manner, and so the studio made the effort to close the holes. Bleach came out of grace and so was cancelled. GTO was never planned to complete. The magazine of GTO, Weekly Shonen Magazine, compared with Weekly Shonen Jump, hardly invested in anime that much. Though, it still got 1 year of adaptation. I was there since the beginning of My Hero Academia, and the marketing really was there. Way more than Black Clover. Again, what has the quality has to do with argument. You said that right now Pierrot is only for the money, and I argued that choosing a mildly popular series instead of highly acclaimed ones, is the opposite of "only for the money". Note that Money and Quality are not directly related. In fact they are independent variables. And so having worse quality, in no way means the focus is only on Money. You just can't take from Quality any information about Money. specially about intentions of the studio about money. Now given the money that the source material was producing previously to the studio choosing the series, can and does say something about the money expected and the studio intentions. Given what Pierrot already gave Weekly Shonen Jump Magazine, is hard to believe that they wouldn't be able to get a series if they wanted it. In fact the only other studio that would certainly get priority over Pierrot is Toei Animation, the studio that made the magazine the popularity that it has right now. |
bigivelfhqApr 23, 2018 4:45 PM
Seiya said: Probably when Naruto came out. Everybody loves to hate on that Anime. Back in the 80s, Pierrot was among the best, and created some of the most famous magical girl Anime, like Creamy Mami. They were also responsible for "Kimagure Orange Road." Well i personally think their cringe peak is Boruto |
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