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| Episode felt rushed, but cute cat has finally appeared, so I won't complain much. I'm not a fan of how they changed the Siegfried sacrifice scene by adding Jeanne there though. |
 So, "There is no Fate/Apocrypha anime" coming soon... |
fejita said: so any rationalisation for MC not exploding from having a servant core implanted into him? Or should I just do what FGO preaches and forget about consistency for rule of cool? My guess is because he isn't your typical human...he's a walking bundle of magical circuits, a "perfect being" created to be used as a magical battery as Chiron put it Yeesh...that isn't pretty |
8mmspikesJul 22, 2017 11:16 PM
fejita said: so any rationalisation for MC not exploding from having a servant core implanted into him? Or should I just do what FGO preaches and forget about consistency for rule of cool? The idea is that he's already an empty shell, with no real personality nor identity. Hence, the heart doesn't clash with an already established being. |
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StardustReverie said: Right? What even are heroes...Total shit, spartacus is the only good part of this episode. It don't take jannu's foresight to see that the MC will become a major mary sue. Already we have: Pink tranny rescuing him for some incomprehensible reason ("CUZ I WANTED TO LMAO") and a random passerby decides to sacrifice himself for no reason at all. |
| Can i have Fate without Saber/Archer/Berseker become overpower as fuck everytime? |
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ZBlastHistory said: Can i have Fate without Saber/Archer/Berseker become overpower as fuck everytime? Berserker is just another way of spelling overpowered. And Saber/Archer are two of three Knight calsses of course they would be stronger. |
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ZBlastHistory said: Can i have Fate without Saber/Archer/Berseker become overpower as fuck everytime? Well the ranking in this war goes Lancer of Red>>>>>>>Lancer of Black>Everyone else so there's that eh |
| man this is actually pretty bad awful choppy editing and direction creating a massively incoherent mess of characters being thrown at one another without any focus whatsoever and a bizarrely rushed plot pretty disappointing all in all, apos LN is pretty schlocky itself and its not like siegfrieds death was a massive impact or remotely emotional moment there either but it was at least a fun read |
InsertanamehereJul 23, 2017 8:12 PM
Insertanamehere said: Well the ranking in this war goes Lancer of Red>>>>>>>Lancer of Black>Everyone else so there's that eh Lolimancer said: And Lancer is the strongest this time around regardless. Let me correct your mistakes guys. Rider of Red >>>>>>>Everyone else. |
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| Pretty meh episode, I liked the final scene tho. |
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Swagernator said: Insertanamehere said: Well the ranking in this war goes Lancer of Red>>>>>>>Lancer of Black>Everyone else so there's that eh Lolimancer said: And Lancer is the strongest this time around regardless. Let me correct your mistakes guys. Rider of Red >>>>>>>Everyone else. Oh I forgot, right Karna is still stronger though so it'd be Lancer Red>>>Rider Red>>>>Lancer Black>Others |
Insertanamehere said: Oh I forgot, right Karna is still stronger though so it'd be Lancer Red>>>Rider Red>>>>Lancer Black>Others In Novel the Assassin of Red mention something like that the Rider of Red is "safe check" if Karna went crazy. |
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| Now this make me thinking back to the prologue part where Saber of red and black clash each other head on with NP. Hmmm Seems like there is some history between Lancer of red and Archer of black. Hmmm The energetic Rider of black always make me smile but today Saber steals the show i guess. Poor saber to have a master that is dumb for the sake of being dumb. |
Swagernator said: Insertanamehere said: Oh I forgot, right Karna is still stronger though so it'd be Lancer Red>>>Rider Red>>>>Lancer Black>Others In Novel the Assassin of Red mention something like that the Rider of Red is "safe check" if Karna went crazy. Semantics. Given their nature there is more chance of Rider of Red deflecting than Lancer and everyone there knows it. Regardless,Lancer of Red>>>anyone else |
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| Well, this was dissapointing. The fights were rushed (and the one of Red Berserker was bad, especially compared to how epic looked in the ilustrations of the LN, with him being restrained by Avicebron's golems and Lancer's NP) and I didn't find the fights intense either. Oh well, at least we managed to see Red Rider's awesomeness a bit (and some of cat waifu too). The stuff of Siegfried was infuriating, though. Let's see, one of the strongest Servants of the Black Faction, powerful NP, badass design, voiced by Suwabe (GARcher himself) and with an interesting lore. He not only has one of the shittiest Masters ever given to any Servant, but the worst is that he didn't even had a decent fight in the whole series. I mean, I knew beforehand that Siegfried died early in the novel, but I thought it was after an epic battle, where he gave his heart to the homunculus after that, but, no, he didn't even had that. Reminds me of Diarmuid in Zero, but he at least had some decent fights. Seriously, fuck the homunculus, fuck Astolfo and fuck whoever thought that was a good idea. However, after some quick investigation to the Typemoon wiki:  Now everything makes sense. Rest in Piece, Sumanai-kun. Shortlived, but never forgotten. Jeanne at the end was beautiful. That made the episode a bit least painful. |
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| I'd like to thing that many people here is barely even paying attention to this show or even trying to think outside the box... Both Astolfo and Sigfried had their reasons to even try to save the Homunculus, even if their desires were selfish. I also think that some people here doesn't know a thing about the fate universe ZBlastHistory said: Can i have Fate without Saber/Archer/Berseker become overpower as fuck everytime? the Berserker servants is a 50/50 class, where they are strong against every class (except Shielder) but is weak against every class too. this also means that both Saber and Archer classes has their advantages against other classes pls make your homework... thanks the episode was allright, Sigfried was very nice at the end... Press 'F' to pay respects |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
HereticHunter said: ZBlastHistory said: Can i have Fate without Saber/Archer/Berseker become overpower as fuck everytime? the Berserker servants is a 50/50 class, where they are strong against every class (except Shielder) but is weak against every class too. this also means that both Saber and Archer classes has their advantages against other classes pls make your homework... thanks the episode was allright, Sigfried was very nice at the end... Press 'F' to pay respects Please don't use FGO class triangles to talk about actual servant interaction. Berserkers tend to be OP because they have Mad Enhancement. Sabers are just considered to be in the best class in general - realistically, this is probably due to the popularity of swordsmen in history and myth, or some bullshit like that, and popularity affects a Servant's OP-ness. And the only OP Archer we've seen in Fate so far is Goldy, who is barely an Archer. |
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| We are now on episode 4, and there is still no sign of my brilliance. F/A will be a failure among failures if Kotomine Kirei makes no appearance. Even the abysmal UBW knew well enough to include me. 1/5 Terrible |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
TrueKireiPriest said: At least there is Shirou Kotomine, you know :)We are now on episode 4, and there is still no sign of my brilliance. F/A will be a failure among failures if Kotomine Kirei makes no appearance. Even the abysmal UBW knew well enough to include me. 1/5 Terrible |
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Illyricus said: TrueKireiPriest said: At least there is Shirou Kotomine, you know :)We are now on episode 4, and there is still no sign of my brilliance. F/A will be a failure among failures if Kotomine Kirei makes no appearance. Even the abysmal UBW knew well enough to include me. 1/5 Terrible If I wanted cheap imitators, I'd cheer for the Emiyas. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
TrueKireiPriest said: Just remember that the fake is of far greater value, since, in its deliberate attempt to be real, it's more real than the real thing.Illyricus said: At least there is Shirou Kotomine, you know :) If I wanted cheap imitators, I'd cheer for the Emiyas. |
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| People shitting on Siegfried for acting in a way that makes sense in the context of how things go for him in the Nibelunlied. People shitting on Astolfo for acting according to his oaths as one of the 12 Peers. People preemptively shitting on MC because they did not read the original work and don't understand that the Counter Force is using him as an actor to prevent Amakusa from destroying the world, or simply because they let themselves be carried away by false spoilers, summaries, comments and/or opinions third parties fully based on personal preference and ended up being strongly influenced and affected by them. Any other points I forgot to add to this list of "how to spot a secondary?" HereticHunter said: I also think that some people here doesn't know a thing about the fate universe Welcome to any Fate-related topic. Where 99% the opinions are complete shit and very uninformed. People saying that they read the source material, Literally bullshit, almost Everyone is a secondary who read a summary or two, browsed the wiki for a bit and then pretends to know what they're talking about. |
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| Wow.. I really didn't spect his death already. I can't wait to see more Ruler. |
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Anon1566 said: Any other points I forgot to add to this list of "how to spot a secondary?" You forgot to add spoiler tags for anime-only watchers, especially with the third point. |
mira-pyon said: This theory, however, is negated by the fact that most spirits have multiple class options. In reality, there's a base formed by the character, and their various stats are either boosted or diminished based on the class. As such, class can make a big difference, everything else being equal.HereticHunter said: the Berserker servants is a 50/50 class, where they are strong against every class (except Shielder) but is weak against every class too. this also means that both Saber and Archer classes has their advantages against other classes pls make your homework... thanks the episode was allright, Sigfried was very nice at the end... Press 'F' to pay respects Please don't use FGO class triangles to talk about actual servant interaction. Berserkers tend to be OP because they have Mad Enhancement. Sabers are just considered to be in the best class in general - realistically, this is probably due to the popularity of swordsmen in history and myth, or some bullshit like that, and popularity affects a Servant's OP-ness. And the only OP Archer we've seen in Fate so far is Goldy, who is barely an Archer. Sabers are considered the "best" because they get the most well rounded class bonuses (that and plot armor). Berserkers appear OP because of their excellent physical stats, but they're actually weaker overall than they appear. FSN Berserker, for example, had his physical stats boosted to god tier (pun not intended) due to mad enhancement, but actually lost several noble phantasms due to that very ability's drawbacks. IIRC, his optimal class was stated as being Archer, which gives him the best overall combination of bonuses. But he's an extreme case on both ends. Berserker of Black, on the other hand, actually has less-than-stellar physical stats, so even with mad enhancement, she's still not not even in the top 5 physical combatants in this war. Combine that with a noble phantasm that's unlikely to take out another servant without suiciding, and she's actually a relatively weak servant. It's outright stated that she'd be hard pressed to win a normal war without significant external support. |
ErwinJAJul 23, 2017 3:54 PM
Illyricus said: Just remember that the fake is of far greater value, since, in its deliberate attempt to be real, it's more real than the real thing. Yes, but the truth is far more important than if its real or not, and the truth is that Fate/Apocrypha and that albino Shirou deserve nothing more than the agonizing release of death - which will be bestowed on them. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
Anon1566 said: HereticHunter said: I also think that some people here doesn't know a thing about the fate universe Welcome to any Fate-related topic. Where 99% the opinions are complete shit and very uninformed. People saying that they read the source material, Literally bullshit, almost Everyone is a secondary who read a summary or two, browsed the wiki for a bit and then pretends to know what they're talking about. I noticed Sigh I'm starting to believe that actually some people just want to find blind reasons on what to hate over an anime |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
Anon1566 said: People shitting on Siegfried for acting in a way that makes sense in the context of how things go for him in the Nibelunlied. People shitting on Astolfo for acting according to his oaths as one of the 12 Peers. People preemptively shitting on MC because they did not read the original work and don't understand that the Counter Force is using him as an actor to prevent Amakusa from destroying the world, or simply because they let themselves be carried away by false spoilers, summaries, comments and/or opinions third parties fully based on personal preference and ended up being strongly influenced and affected by them. Any other points I forgot to add to this list of "how to spot a secondary?" Pretty much every FATE series anime thread. FATE series often have a slow start with the main plot point not revealed for a while. But secondaries are so impatient that, unless everything is explained to them in minute one, they can't follow the story. Just wait until F/E, these threads are gonna be cancer. Everyone fkng LOVED Alexanders stupidity, but when another character has their own personality and hardships they can't believe it. "Who would ever sacrifice themselves for someone else?!" It's almost as if these heroes have literal books written about them already detailing their personalities and trials, and they may act in accordance to those. Those characters rarely need to grow, because they are already complete characters, just in a different setting. |
KetuekigamiJul 23, 2017 5:10 PM
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| Siegfried's ending... He should have had a better servant. From the first episode, he'll be back. Since his master doesn't have a servant, I want the Yggdmillennia to dispose of him. Black's archer is a badass and I'll loved red's rider as well. Their brief fight was great. Atalanta (red's archer) had her moment and Frankenstein has immense strength. Astolfo is keeping his pride and honour. He shined in this episode. Good episode. That smiling Jeanne d'Arc shot 10/10. |
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| The fights was pretty cool. How nice of Siegfried to give his life to the homunculi. Now Ruler is going to watch over him. |
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| Kinda annoyed some of heroic spirit are not "full power" because they are not Saber/Archer/Berserker class Lolimancer said: ZBlastHistory said: Extra and Extra CCC. And Lancer is the strongest this time around regardless.Can i have Fate without Saber/Archer/Berseker become overpower as fuck everytime? I pretty sure Saber and Berserker on Extra are really strong especially Saber |
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| i swear the sound effect is worse than *CLANG* |
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| goodbye siegfried for now?.. he didn't deserve the hate the memes and the cruse of being unlucky with his chosen master. power strengths are hard to make out lol 1 star berserker holding his ground and this rider i've never seen before is able to take on two servants at once good on Astolfo for sticking his own Principles |
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| i respect astolfo and siegfred more this eps at first i thought all the servants in black would cruel and totally obey but seeing small differences between them provides an interesting premise as shone here siegfred did a noble honor by saving the homunculus's life came unexpectedly a very nice touch |
| I can't even express how much I respect Siegfred and Astolfo right now....I liked them both already but now I can't help but love them both The action scenes were great as usual but I was kinda disappointed that Spartacus' master didn't do much with him and just let him die/get caught....He seemed like he would have been a real savage if he used his Noble Fantasm The little bout between Red Archer and Rider vs Black Berserker and Archer was pretty neat and I love how Red Rider (Muh boy Achilles) and Black Archer (Chiron) know each other (Obviously because they're both in Greek mythology)....I wonder how durable Achilles really is in this series though Great episode overall with such a perfect final scene, and I always wondered what was the deal with the homonculous looking young and older in the OP and now I have received my answer lol (I kinda wanna ship him with Jeanne now lol) |
Lolimancer said: The strongest in Extra is technically a secret boss, or the final boss. Either way the strongest in both those games is a spoiler and not one of the original 7 classes. I am talking about talking about why only Saber/Archer/Berserker allowed to have "full power" of heroic spirit |
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| Honestly, I thought the first 3 episodes were horrible. A bunch of boring exposition and confusing fight scenes. This episode however seems to have improved A LOT. It felt much more narrowed down in terms of cast interactions and was a lot easier to keep up with. The ending scene with the transfer of the heart was actually really cool. I hope that the series continues to prove me wrong and actually turn into something enjoyable. I doubt it will be on par with anything from ufotable but still I do see potential in it. |
| Honestly, I thought the first 3 episodes were horrible. A bunch of boring exposition and confusing fight scenes. This episode however seems to have improved A LOT. It felt much more narrowed down in terms of cast interactions and was a lot easier to keep up with. The ending scene with the transfer of the heart was actually really cool. I hope that the series continues to prove me wrong and actually turn into something enjoyable. I doubt it will be on par with anything from ufotable but still I do see potential in it. |
| I hope him and Jean survive this war and live on as romantic partners (shipper here). |
Hinata-chiJul 23, 2017 8:55 PM
| Nooooo, Siegfred is already gone. He seemed like a really promising character 😔 But his master was annoying though, so hopefully he'll get a lot less screen time from now on. Speaking of screen time, I hope we see more of Atalanta. I love her character design :D That metal-sounding sound effect isn't too bad when it isn't as loud as last episode. Hopefully it doesn't return with another big-scale fight. I'm interested on exactly what role the homunculus will play in the war. |
| Well this is definitely different than the other war and I'm interested in how Fate/Apocrypha will turn out later. |
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| Annnd the absolute dredge of trainwreck starts now. Hold on to your butts. Siegfried deserved better than Higashide can write. Now it's time for LN-MC-Kun to hog spotlight and for overall plot to go to absolute shit. 2/5 |
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| Wait, so did the beginning fight between Siegfried and Mordred not happen? Or is he coming back? EDIT: Nevermind, i should've read the thread first. |
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