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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- That was the best birthday Linlin ever had. It's too bad the happiness didn't last. Interesting to find out more about Caramel. |
Stark700Jun 1, 2017 3:29 AM
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| What the hell?? Mother Caramel was actually a notorious figure in the Underworld?? o_O And wasn't that the power of the Soul-Soul fruit? On Linlin's 6th birthday, everyone from the Lamb's House vanished into thin air and completely abandoned her. Why? RIP Master Yorle.. |
| Just when I thought Mother Caramel was a nice person. She turns out to be selling orphans for profit. Seems like she had the Soul Soul Fruit before Linlin. Woah everyone disappeared. |
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Wait that make BigMom same as Teach, abnormal body! |
| And here I was thinking that Mother Caramel would die the same way like most characters in flashbacks before , as a sacrifice. How wrong I was. But if I think a little bit about it, Doffy also killed his dad. Maybe it's a thing now that the villains in One Piece are killing their special someone themselves. The chapter was decent, not top niveau, but still good. Big Mom, was damn fucking strong, owning a giant with one hit as a 5year old child, even though he wasn't in his best years Yorle was still a veteran fighter. That's quite something. And we were trolled again, didn't see the plot twist with Moter Caramel coming at all, very interesting that she was working together with the goverment and that we got to see the CP0 from back then. The most important info in this chapter was this. Oda introduced us another way how one can come into the possession of an ability, eating the previous owner is now officialy also an option. The flashback is over, and next week we will see how Luffy and the others gonna deal with a raging Yonkou. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Duuuude she ate them all, didn't she? That's disgusting! I'm sure I saw somewhere that Oda said that you don't get the devil fruit abilities of a user if you eat them. The soul-soul fruit must've just been transferred into a fruit in the house which Linlin then ate. Yeah, I was right. He said so here: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_16 Wait, actually, he doesn't state whether it does or not nevermind lol. Anyway, back to the present! Will they fail or succeed? |
FangJun 1, 2017 4:02 AM
| Here we see vore fetish in full throttle. |
| This was fucked lol She ate them all without realizing lmao Didn't expect the Caramel being an underworld broker thing. The Soul Soul fruit thing was kinda hinted last ep with the divine rays I guess. Linlin suplexing Mountbeard at the start was awesome xD |
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| Damn, I really though Sister Caramel was a nice loving person. That was just sad who she turned out to be, A child slaver of all things. :( Holy hell, Big Mom is so strong as a kid, At her current age just what would happen if she decided to hit someone? Caramel definitely had the Soul-Soul fruit, how did Linlin get it though? That ending, I really think Big Mom just cannibalized everyone there. Hope it's something else though cause if it isn't then well, shit. |
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| wait, you guys thinking she eat them all? i tough mother caramel simply abandoned linlin alone... and linlin surprisingly more childish than i tough.. |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Yeah, she ate all of them. The soul fruit from Carmel probably grew/reborn inside her. Great chapter, this is some dark shit Oda gave us here xD |
| WOW. That is so messed up. That whole backstory is filled with tragedy. First, the giants letting go of Linlin and Mother Carmel because of how much they respected Mother Carmel but in truth she turns out to be a two-faced bitch. (Seriously, never saw that coming. Genuinely thought she was nice). Sad that Yorle died tho :'( Second, she's raising a home of children just to sell them off at the underground market. And it seems like the WG are involved in this market as well which tbh is not all that surprising but wow, fuck you Mother Carmel. Fuck you! Third, Linlin most probably having eaten the kids and Mother Carmel atleast that's what we get from seeing how she couldn't control herself while eating the Croquembouche and the broken chairs and few ripped out clothes. And she has no idea about that. That's really messed up :/ Mother Carmel having the soul-soul fruit wasn't all that surprising I guess. But how did BM get the fruit? Did the fruit grow somewhere nearby after that? Or did she unknowingly take Caramel's DF the way BB and his crew steals DF? I hope they bring that up. Would def be interested to know. Overall I'd say it was a great chapter and now we're back to present time and I hope to see everyone kicking some ass :D Esp Sanji because he obviously needs it xD And the other Vinsmokes. I really want to see them and their powers in action. Esp Reiju and Ichiji. |
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| ayyy lmao. She ate them. Perfect end for Carmel if that was the case, that slag deserve to get eaten by best girl BM. |
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TheEnhancedExe said: Kuma said: wait, you guys thinking she eat them all? i tough mother caramel simply abandoned linlin alone... and linlin surprisingly more childish than i tough.. On the bottom left of the page where Linlin notices that everyone is gone, you can see disrupted parts of Mother Caramels clothes lying on the ground. So yes she was eaten. We don't know for sure about the children though because some of the underworld brokers at the tea party have some similarities to the children. For example one child has a scar and one of the underworld brokers has the exact same scar, plus they have the same hair colour if I remember correct. Other children have similarities with some of the other brokers as well. aren't mother carame intended to leave to begin with tho? linlin already sold, i don't see why caramel need beside linlin anymore... i tough it more possible as false flag... we didn't see blood... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| On page 15 bottom-left panel of the mangastream scan you can see the hiragana of the kids screaming in horror as Linlin eats them. This is gonna be messed up in the anime. They're probably gonna play happy music with the narrator talking about how blissful Linlin is with shrieks of terror in the background. At least this shows why Caramel was foolish enough to protect her life, and why none of the kids seemed like anyone we knew in present time. |
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| If she really ate them all then that's fucking crazy. I doubt she gained the powers of the Soul-Soul fruit directly through eating Mother Caramel though. If I remember correctly, once a DF user dies, the nearest fruit takes on the form of their DF, so that's probably what happened and then Linlin ate it. This chapter also potentially explained the reason why Linlin doesn't let anyone leave her crew, because of past abandonment issues. Also, I didn't see that Mother Caramel plot twist coming. I thought she was going to offer herself as a sacrifice in exchange for the Giants letting Linlin live, I wasn't expecting her to basically be a World Government child trafficker. That was a pretty short backstory but it explained everything that needed to be explained, now I can't wait to return to the chaos of this tea party assassination plot. |
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Kuma said: TheEnhancedExe said: On the bottom left of the page where Linlin notices that everyone is gone, you can see disrupted parts of Mother Caramels clothes lying on the ground. So yes she was eaten. We don't know for sure about the children though because some of the underworld brokers at the tea party have some similarities to the children. For example one child has a scar and one of the underworld brokers has the exact same scar, plus they have the same hair colour if I remember correct. Other children have similarities with some of the other brokers as well. aren't mother carame intended to leave to begin with tho? linlin already sold, i don't see why caramel need beside linlin anymore... i tough it more possible as false flag... we didn't see blood... Caramel wanted to sold BM and leave the buisness. Instead she left BM and took the kids? It makes no sense. It's obvious she ate them. |
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| If anyone needs even more clear evidence as to Big Mom eating the "some" of the children and caramel Look on the pages when shes eating and done saying "I was so focues on eating, i chomped down on the table a few times"- Everyone was sitting around the cake on tables... "What a wonderful day, she couldnt even see through her tears"...Must have began around that time. Surprisingly dark chapter by Oda but awesome. Just bring the assassination on already! |
| "You can't spell slaughter without laughter". |
Dahaka_ said: Kuma said: aren't mother carame intended to leave to begin with tho? linlin already sold, i don't see why caramel need beside linlin anymore... i tough it more possible as false flag... we didn't see blood... Caramel wanted to sold BM and leave the buisness. Instead she left BM and took the kids? It makes no sense. It's obvious she ate them. she left linlin only, the rest is unsold property yet... and caramel leave linlin as property including orphanage and marine simply come to island and took her later... i can belive if linlin eat children, but i can't belive she eat mother caramel since it showed that mother caramel can stop linlin... oh, and it's implied that linlin never eat human flesh... sure she can be destructive even devastating giant village when she hungry, but it was never saying she ate any of them... |
KumaJun 1, 2017 5:04 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| She ate them ... and that's how she got the power of the fruit. Lol. not bad ! |
TCRfanatic said: I think she ate them. Now that I think more about it, that does make sense, especially Mother Caramel's veil lying on the ground. She was having so much fun eating that she could barely see through her tears. She picked up the kids and Mother Caramel without realizing it. She did chomp down the tables. Man, this is really disturbing.. Well, can't wait to see what's gonna happen with the assassination plot. |
Kuma said: Dahaka_ said: Caramel wanted to sold BM and leave the buisness. Instead she left BM and took the kids? It makes no sense. It's obvious she ate them. she left linlin only, the rest is unsold property yet... and caramel leave linlin as property including orphanage and marine simply come to island and took her later... i can belive if linlin eat children, but i can't belive she eat mother caramel since it showed that mother caramel can stop linlin... oh, and it's implied that linlin never eat human flesh... sure she can be destructive even devastating giant village when she hungry, but it was never saying she ate any of them... Just accept it man, the implications are clear. Mother caramel clothes lying on the ground, disstressed screams in the small panel right after BM begins her feast, BM having Caramel's power. You can make excuses for all the hints, but there's simply too much of them and they all point to BM eating everyone. |
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Dahaka_ said: Kuma said: she left linlin only, the rest is unsold property yet... and caramel leave linlin as property including orphanage and marine simply come to island and took her later... i can belive if linlin eat children, but i can't belive she eat mother caramel since it showed that mother caramel can stop linlin... oh, and it's implied that linlin never eat human flesh... sure she can be destructive even devastating giant village when she hungry, but it was never saying she ate any of them... Just accept it man, the implications are clear. Mother caramel clothes lying on the ground, disstressed screams in the small panel right after BM begins her feast, BM having Caramel's power. You can make excuses for all the hints, but there's simply too much of them and they all point to BM eating everyone. my point is that the hint isn't clear yet... i never said my conclusion is the one that correct, and you guys wron..., but i have that interpretation based what isee and i want to discuss it... i might be wrong, but it doesn't metter... i like a discussion... the hint of BM eaiting everyone based solely by BM traits and and the fact everyone gone... take a look at left below panel  this happened after birthday preparation... also, aren't devil fruit power can't be gain as simple as eating it users? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| This is really a good flashback. In two chapters many things were explained - why linlin hates giants / giants hate linlin - how she got her power - why she wants to create an island were every race could live together |
short_reviewJun 1, 2017 5:51 AM
| Interesting chapter, and quite dark for sure! I understand it she accidently eats kids, they wouldn't have the strength to resist much, but Mother Caramel? I think she would try to use her DF powers to put up a fight, some sort of resistance. I' thought BM would notice if someone really struggled. Oh well, she didn't notice the taste being different either, so whatever. I wonder what's gonna happen next chapter. Probably they're going to fail, but I can't wait to see how and what happens. |
| I think from now Oda gonna keep making us doubt whether a new character is really good or not. |
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| If what I think happened in the end... That's really beyond fucked up |
| I didn't expect Caramel to be selling those kids. Although that ending was much more unexpected. |
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| This chapter... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh! Seriously, this is fucked up. I expected this twist and still got me. |
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| I'm calling it, she ate them! Damm Oda continues to surprise us, she was a slave seller, No mother Theresa |
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Galih_Prabasidi said: The weird part for me is that there is no blood at all, especially on Linlin's mouth. But maybe Oda did that to make the scene less brutal. Yeah that's also what i find strange. There is not one drop of blood. Lucky Linlin some fruit in her stomach either turned into the DF or eating someone with a DF ability can also give you the ability. |
| That Caramel twist o.O Damn, didn't think she actually eats people too, besides those talking sweets. |
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| Didn't expect something like that. That was truly fucked up. But even with this I cannot feel bad for BM. Also, Caramel was an orphan slaver who only cared about her profit and fame in the Underworld. She deserved an end like that. |
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| @Kuma -She was going to be sold, but she didnt (if that was the case oda would have showd us at least the mask of a cp0 watching and aproaching her) -BM has the same fruit as caramel (she ate caramel and got the power that way) -she can bearly see because of the tears (she didnt realize what she was doing) -in the pannel of the mountain we see the children screaming desperately (maybe some got to escape, but most of them probably not) -we see bites on the table and the ripped cloth of caramel (oda was hinting with the table that she ate everything in front of her, and with the cloth he was saying "yes, even the people in front of her") |
Pordo said: @Kuma -She was going to be sold, but she didnt (if that was the case oda would have showd us at least the mask of a cp0 watching and aproaching her) during negotiation, it was already deal, and caramel get what she demand... as we see she is being cheerful afterwards.. Pordo said: -BM has the same fruit as caramel (she ate caramel and got the power that way) i don't remember there is case where you can gain devil fruit power by eating it user... even kurohage need his OP devil fruit to do it... and ace devil fruit become conquest later... nobody eat his corpse... Pordo said: -she can bearly see because of the tears (she didnt realize what she was doing) again, during fasting, she didn't even eat anyone, let alone during peaceful days... also what she eat is sweet food... pretty sure human flesh is not sweet... Pordo said: -in the panel of the mountain we see the children screaming desperately (maybe some got to escape, but most of them probably not)  you mean this? they can scream because lot of things... Pordo said: -we see bites on the table and the ripped cloth of caramel (oda was hinting with the table that she ate everything in front of her, and with the cloth he was saying "yes, even the people in front of her") again, it's based generalized BM traits... but i already pointing by my third point... also, 2 more things i can't accept if BM does eating everyone: > there is no blood, or body pieces, or any gore thing... wsj does can showing that much (i mean, you can look at marine ford arc.. tho you can't showing intestines)... > it's implied in early chapter that mother caramel know to hold BM tantrums... if she can back then, why now she cant? it's not like she helped by giants back then... |
KumaJun 1, 2017 8:21 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Isterio said: Kuma said: wait, you guys thinking she eat them all? i tough mother caramel simply abandoned linlin alone... and linlin surprisingly more childish than i tough.. If you have no brain you make dumb deductions like those. Jesus the children hated Big Mom before and all of sudden they´re cheery and happy? No fucking way. Caramel announced her leave and she did leave. As if Oda incorperate cannibalism in his Manga. Only idiots would support that claim just to say "ONE PIECE MUST BE EDGY" ONE PEICE ISN´T FOR KIDS! gtfo here. i need to clear some of things... you mean those in here is my deduction or the one who saying BM eat them all? oda does can showing some fucked up thing like underaged drug addiction during punk hazard, but it's not implicit disturbing, tho i simply didn't see anything in here... just usual human traficking... also, one piece (or wsj) can showing even more edgy, hence why i found it strange oda didn't do it... but yeah, i got your point here... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: i need to clear some of things... you mean those in here is my deduction or the one who saying BM eat them all? oda does can showing some fucked up thing like underaged drug addiction during punk hazard, but it's not implicit disturbing, tho i simply didn't see anything in here... also, one piece (or wsj) can showing even more edgy, hence why i found it strange oda didn't do it... but yeah, i got your point here... I agree with you. Oda depicted this in Law´s flashback. But it was done seriously with a somber tone and a depressing outcome. Not this bullshit looney tunes logic. I´m Pacman waka waka waka. |
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