| I keep hearing people calling this show "generic" and that show "generic". Whats this "Generic Shounen" that people keep comparing other shows too? Or, can you describe what a "generic shounen" looks and acts like? What makes it generic? |
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| Dragon Ball series, 7 Deadly Sins, Fairy Tail come to mind.. They're generic because the fights all end the same. There's usually this "power up" and they instantly become stronger and win, then they just recycle the idea throughout the show. It isn't good writing. It's lazy writing. |
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| Most any show longer than a hundred episodes that are Shounen fit. That annoying type of action comedy that is incredibly silly with overpowered characters in penis-measuring contest fights, with tons of sexualized female characters and a story designed specially for Japanese 9 year olds to adore. But it has to have those moments where it gets super serious and "shit gets real" like all Japanese kids shows seem to do. Fairy Tale seems to be the most generic one but there are others (Beezlebub or whatever seems pretty lame). |
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Zelev said: I'm pretty sure the dragon ball series started the trend, so you can't really call it generic when its pretty much the original.Dragon Ball series, 7 Deadly Sins, Fairy Tail come to mind.. They're generic because the fights all end the same. There's usually this "power up" and they instantly become stronger and win, then they just recycle the idea throughout the show. It isn't good writing. It's lazy writing. |
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-Mahesvara said: Zelev said: I'm pretty sure the dragon ball series started the trend, so you can't really call it generic when its pretty much the original.Dragon Ball series, 7 Deadly Sins, Fairy Tail come to mind.. They're generic because the fights all end the same. There's usually this "power up" and they instantly become stronger and win, then they just recycle the idea throughout the show. It isn't good writing. It's lazy writing. It's original at being generic. Ooo0oOoo |
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| Ironically, describing a show as generic is an incredibly generic criticism. It's like calling something forgettable. Doesn't really have a concrete definition, so it's hard to dispute, and it doesn't facilitate any kind of meaningful discussion about the show. |
| I wouldn't say Dragon Ball is a generic shonen when it was groundbreaking to the point where every shonen after it tried in some way to imitate its storytelling style |
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RP59 said: Ironically, describing a show as generic is an incredibly generic criticism. It's like calling something forgettable. Doesn't really have a concrete definition, so it's hard to dispute, and it doesn't facilitate any kind of meaningful discussion about the show. if you look at it that way half of the terms we use are generic criticism that do not have a concrete definition or measurement i agree though that the reasoning for calling it so is way for helpfull than just saying so |
| Come on, what's the point, little kids don't have a problem with it anyway, so I don't see a problem with it. |
Zelev said: Something original can't be generic.-Mahesvara said: I'm pretty sure the dragon ball series started the trend, so you can't really call it generic when its pretty much the original. It's original at being generic. Ooo0oOoo |
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gabrielrroiz said: if you look at it that way half of the terms we use are generic criticism that do not have a concrete definition or measurement i agree though that the reasoning for calling it so is way for helpfull than just saying so You're right. I thought about that after posting. But yeah, if there's no reasoning provided it's pretty worthless for other people. It's fine to say "I dislike it because it's generic/forgettable/awful/boring, and here's why I find it that way: etc etc" But when I'm trying to figure out what to watch and I see a ton of adjectives with no explanation as to why they're applicable, it can be frustrating haha |
-Mahesvara said: Something original can't be generic. lol an endless loop of generic originality |
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| Battle shounen parodies like Gintama and One Punch Man would be by definition generic since otherwise they wouldn't be doing a good job at being parodies of the genre. This obviously doesn't make them bad anime, but if you don't enjoy the style of comedy they present they'll feel like the most generic battle shounen you can get. |
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RP59 said: Untrue. If you can back it up with evidence, it is very easy to say how something is not generic. Support your argument, that the show doesn't just slide by, that it has special elements that make it worth spending your time on, and you can dispel that criticism.Ironically, describing a show as generic is an incredibly generic criticism. It's like calling something forgettable. Doesn't really have a concrete definition, so it's hard to dispute, and it doesn't facilitate any kind of meaningful discussion about the show. For example: is Madoka Magica generic? No, because it has a cast of standout characters, a creative storytelling element, and explores themes most animes don't touch. Is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure generic? No, because it is ridiculously over-the-top with unique character design and memorable silliness that transcends anything from normal shounen. Is DanMachi generic? Well.... Yeah. |
zombie_pegasus said: Battle shounen parodies like Gintama and One Punch Man would be by definition generic since otherwise they wouldn't be doing a good job at being parodies of the genre. This obviously doesn't make them bad anime, but if you don't enjoy the style of comedy they present they'll feel like the most generic battle shounen you can get. They are parodies because they clearly mock the shows and take the "generic" parts of those battle shounens to absurd levels. Basically, it's a funny caricature they make from them. You can't say they are "by definition" generic when they aren't taking themselves seriously (at all) like your average battle shounen anime. |
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-Mahesvara said: Zelev said: I'm pretty sure the dragon ball series started the trend, so you can't really call it generic when its pretty much the original.Dragon Ball series, 7 Deadly Sins, Fairy Tail come to mind.. They're generic because the fights all end the same. There's usually this "power up" and they instantly become stronger and win, then they just recycle the idea throughout the show. It isn't good writing. It's lazy writing. I didn't see that problem in 7 Deadly Sins at all. In most cases it's actually the opposite because the main characters are already overpowered and fool around until it's time to get serious. The only power up in the entire anime was Meliodas' demon form and even then he didn't win. |
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-Mahesvara said: Something original can't be generic. I guess. Although, just because something is "original" doesn't mean it's good. It paved the way for mediocrity - that's hardly an accomplishment. |
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RedRoseFring said: -Mahesvara said: I'm pretty sure the dragon ball series started the trend, so you can't really call it generic when its pretty much the original. I didn't see that problem in 7 Deadly Sins at all. In most cases it's actually the opposite because the main characters are already overpowered and fool around until it's time to get serious. The only power up in the entire anime was Meliodas' demon form and even then he didn't win. ...One of the guys is literally immortal from what I remember. I wouldn't really know much about the show past a couple episodes, considering I dropped it. |
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Zelev said: RedRoseFring said: I didn't see that problem in 7 Deadly Sins at all. In most cases it's actually the opposite because the main characters are already overpowered and fool around until it's time to get serious. The only power up in the entire anime was Meliodas' demon form and even then he didn't win. ...One of the guys is literally immortal from what I remember. I wouldn't really know much about the show past a couple episodes, considering I dropped it. Then how can you call it generic if you didn't even finish 23 episodes? Are the other shounen with immortal main characters as well? |
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| Fairy Tail and its not even close, it has all the shounen tropes fully maxed out |
RedRoseFring said: Zelev said: ...One of the guys is literally immortal from what I remember. I wouldn't really know much about the show past a couple episodes, considering I dropped it. Then how can you call it generic if you didn't even finish 23 episodes? Are the other shounen with immortal main characters as well? Because the first 12 episodes were cliche as hell. I feel like I've seen it before. It resembles Fairy Tail in some aspects, plus other shows. |
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Zelev said: RedRoseFring said: Then how can you call it generic if you didn't even finish 23 episodes? Are the other shounen with immortal main characters as well? Because the first 12 episodes were cliche as hell. I feel like I've seen it before. It resembles Fairy Tail in some aspects, plus other shows. By that reasoning, most series are generic. It's really only later on that series differentiate themselves because the first few episodes focus on character introductions. Anyway, you'll certainly get to the point where you feel like you've seen everything before, but it is the details that make a series distinct. I can most certainly say that the 7 Deadly Sins is nowhere close to DBZ or Fairy Tail in that regard. |
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| 1. The power of FRIENDSHIP!!!!!! 2. Weak MC becomes Over Power in no time 3. Power-up that comes from nowhere Eg : Naruto and 7 Deadly Sins |
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Zelev said: Yeah being original doesn't necessarily mean something is good, but being generic doesn’t make something bad either.-Mahesvara said: Something original can't be generic. I guess. Although, just because something is "original" doesn't mean it's good. It paved the way for mediocrity - that's hardly an accomplishment. |
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| Dragon Ball Z without a doubt. For all its colors and wacky designs, it still looks generic and boring. |
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mattao313 said: Fairy Tail and its not even close, it has all the shounen tropes fully maxed out Have you tried Taboo Tatoo? I think it exceeds FT in shouneness Or maybe not? Cause its a bit edgy |
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| Calling Dragon Ball a generic shounen is like calling Doom a generic shooter. When it came out it was groundbreaking, the only real fighting shounen at the time were Fist of the North Star and Kinnikuman and both of them are very different from what people today would expept of a "shounen". My vote goes to Fairy Tail. It's probably the most cliched manga I've read so far, it literally tries nothing new and it really doesn't excel in any area. |
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HamburgerSpike said: mattao313 said: Fairy Tail and its not even close, it has all the shounen tropes fully maxed out Have you tried Taboo Tatoo? I think it exceeds FT in shouneness Or maybe not? Cause its a bit edgy From the little I seen, I agree I think its more on the edgy side |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Far less generic looking than shitty Mirai Nikki. The Dragon Ball franchise has some character designs that don't exist in any other anime.Dragon Ball Z without a doubt. For all its colors and wacky designs, it still looks generic and boring. JonasTheJay said: Yeah Dragon Ball popularized and helped create the battle shonen genre , calling it generic is like calling Superman (the first mainstream superhero) a generic superhero.Calling Dragon Ball a generic shounen is like calling Doom a generic shooter. |
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| Idk, the most painfully average battle shounen I've seen is probably Kiba. Even back when I was still young and easily hyped and hadn't seen much, this shit wasn't very exciting. |
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| Oh, also the original Saint Seiya is probably one of the most formulaic ones. It's literally the same pattern for 100+ episodes. |
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Sekigan said: Dragonball comes to mind, as does Naruto and One Piece. The only thing is that OP and DB are kinda the originators of the "Generic shonen" as other shonens since have copied many elements and themes from OP and DB (and other older ones too) Out of those series, I would only consider Dragon Ball to be an originator. Both Naruto and One Piece (as well as countless other shounen) were at least partially inspired by DB. |
| One piece, fairy tail are definitely the top place ones... maybe bleach and naruto as well. |
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| Probably Bleach or Fairy Tail...I can deal with an ass pull or two, heck even the odd Nakama power up speech isn't that bad, but these two took it to whole new levels- especially Fairy Tail. The horrid thing is that those two series had the potential to be so much more :/ Inuyasha was generic as hell as well, even though it was one of the first shounen anime I watched. I thought maybe the huge romantic subplot would make it feel more fresh but that somehow made it even more generic because it followed almost all of the typical melodramatic romantic schmuck you could think of XD A lot of sports anime seem to fall into the same pitfalls of genericism too- the ones I've seen just take a typical battle Shounen formula and throw it into some sport setting (Kuroko no Basuke, Haikyuu, Hajime no Ippo, Yowamushi Pedal). Most of them have the underdog, the ace, the unbeatable "villain", the obligatory cripple/retired star, a crap ton of training arcs, perhaps a female manager- bc remember this is aimed at teen boys and they won't want a complete sausage fest even tho like 80% of the fans are fujoshi anyway- and rare losses. If there are losses, cue more training arcs full of sweaty emotional guys bonding over their mutual loss. Extremely formulaic. After you've watched a few, it gets old. I'm just convinced sports anime can't work long term, bc even stronger series like Hajime no Ippo got boring about 40 episodes in imo. Starts pulling the power of friendship stuff and unyielding willpower crap. Oh, and how could I forget Part 1 of JoJo? Phantom Blood has all the cliches found in every other 80's Shounen...accept the ending. God that surprised the hell outta me when I first saw it. Aside from that though, it was clouded with Shounen genericism. Unlike many others though, it was actually fun af to watch. It's what I like to call stylistically generic. |
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romagia said: ☑ super powered boys fighting solve eveything ☑ good guys always win ☑ nakama power (optional but prefered) see: one piece man, shaman alchemist brotherhood, the last dragonball bender Fixed, Shaman 03 DID NOT follow those points at all. biggest complaint people have about it. |
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Sekigan said: Agreed. Although OP is inspired by Dragon ball, as some other guy mentioned. Not enough to be a blatant rip off though.Dragonball comes to mind, as does Naruto and One Piece. The only thing is that OP and DB are kinda the originators of the "Generic shonen" as other shonens since have copied many elements and themes from OP and DB (and other older ones too) |
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Zelev said: But it doesn't say anything about the work itself, only on its legacyI guess. Although, just because something is "original" doesn't mean it's good. It paved the way for mediocrity - that's hardly an accomplishment. |
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